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COVID19 - To Vaccinate or To Not Vaccinate

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  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
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    nooshi713 wrote: »
    kimny72 wrote: »
    The story of one of the cases of death after the Astra vaccine is this: A military family man, 43 yrs old, in apparent good health, was vaccinated in the morning. He took his son to soccer practice as usual, and even played a bit with the boy. Late afternoon started to feel a little off, headache, etc., so took a Tylenol type tablet (as told to if there are light symptoms). During the night his wife said he suddenly felt awful and she called an ambulance. He died quickly.

    Now, the story was told the day after by the widow on national TV. She said she was not against the vaccine, seemed very level-headed, but wanted to know what killed her husband. Now we still don't have the autopsy report--it was said it would take 2 weeks and now it's about that. The vaccinations were halted to stop panic. They needed more information to go forward. After a few days of study of the other cases, it was decided to proceed. I think they did the right thing, at least in Italy. It's a hard call.

    And yes, I will get the vaccine when I'm up (my BIL is a doctor and after all he's seen, you don't want to take your chances with COVID). I will take any of the vaccines, AstraZeneca included.

    People die unexpectedly, and when you have the whole world getting vaccinated at the same time, you're bound to have some of those unexpected deaths happen soon after but unrelated to the shot.

    So there's good reason to think it was almost certainly unrelated, but you also want to err in the side of caution. But you also don't want to slow vaccination rates when dealing with a global pandemic. I do not envy the people who need to make these decisions!

    Yep! Correlation or coincidence does not equal causation. Even when accounting for the *rare* or more dangerous types of clots, the incidence is still less than in the general population.

    --Just because the correlation MIGHT NOT imply causation doesn't mean that it CAN'T imply causation. All that argument does is cast DOUBT upon the theory; not invalidate it. It doesn't actually disprove the theory. try doing some actual research beyond the remote control.

    I find it very hard to believe that you do not know ANYONE that has gotten COVID. How did that go for them?
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,119 Member
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    Correct me if I am wrong - but same applies on a more or less degree in all places which were high Covid community spread - ie US, UK etc - vaccianation programs may not have reached 60% but they have reached a level enough to be now denting the Covid numbers downward

    I cant see any other reason for this downward trend - it isnt tighter restrictions slowing spread because most places are gradually loosening restrictions, not tightening them

    ( I live in Australia - our vaccination program is still in its infancy -but we did not have the Covid community spread to start with)
  • Theo166
    Theo166 Posts: 2,564 Member
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    33gail33 wrote: »
    Just look at Israel’s COVID numbers - they are at about 60% vaccinated and the cases are plummeting. It is so nice to see that and see some light at the end of this tunnel. We just can’t get these vaccines in arms fast enough.

    Graph comparing Israel, USA and EU. EU trend is concerning and USA is not seeing a drop of late.
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  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,119 Member
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    if am following that graph correctly, US has dropped significantly since mid Jan - although now seeing a slight rise (due to too early lifting of restrictions??)
    Disappointing about EU
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