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So is it just me or do the new CDC guidelines announced yesterday seem a little like nothing new? I guess they are just making it official that vaccinated people can be safer together. But honestly it's impossible to know if someone has been vaccinated or not anyway.
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SummerSkier wrote: »So is it just me or do the new CDC guidelines announced yesterday seem a little like nothing new? I guess they are just making it official that vaccinated people can be safer together. But honestly it's impossible to know if someone has been vaccinated or not anyway.
That was my take, really nothing new.3 -
SummerSkier wrote: »So is it just me or do the new CDC guidelines announced yesterday seem a little like nothing new? I guess they are just making it official that vaccinated people can be safer together. But honestly it's impossible to know if someone has been vaccinated or not anyway.
That is the rub, isn't it? I carry my vaccination card everywhere I go, but there's no legal mechanism for anyone to ask to see it--it's all based on the honor system. I can see why they dont want to start asking people for their "papers" except when boarding a plane, perhaps, but this is why I have to keep monitoring my kids until they can get vaccinated.6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »So is it just me or do the new CDC guidelines announced yesterday seem a little like nothing new? I guess they are just making it official that vaccinated people can be safer together. But honestly it's impossible to know if someone has been vaccinated or not anyway.
That was my take, really nothing new.
The only difference is before it was recommended (and state law here, although not enforced) to mask outside if you could not maintain a 6 ft distance (which at least many here in Chicago were taking very literally, perhaps that wasn't the case elsewhere in the state). Now, the recommendations at least clarify that if vaccinated, you can be unmasked outside unless in a crowd. But yeah, hardly a huge difference. I doubt it will make people on NextDoor stop complaining about every last person outside without a mask (and plenty of other people were already drawing the conclusion that it was okay pre CDC).5 -
missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.18 -
janejellyroll wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.
But I have experienced "post viral cough" that can last up to 6 weeks. Even a regular cold or flu cough last about 10 days. I can't imagine anyone taking off 10 days for a cold. I don't get sick as much now, but when my kids were small it could happen 3 times a year. Like my work would not allow anyone to take off that much sick time for minor illnesses, I can't imagine most offices would. We get like 3 paid sick days.
Although I guess those who can work from home could do that, we didn't have that option before, we do now.6 -
I hope so! When I was manager of a portrait studio, I had to go in with the flu just in case people wanted to pick up their pictures. My district manager told me to cancel appointments for the day and lay down in the back studio!:/janejellyroll wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.
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janejellyroll wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.
But I have experienced "post viral cough" that can last up to 6 weeks. Even a regular cold or flu cough last about 10 days. I can't imagine anyone taking off 10 days for a cold. I don't get sick as much now, but when my kids were small it could happen 3 times a year. Like my work would not allow anyone to take off that much sick time for minor illnesses, I can't imagine most offices would. We get like 3 paid sick days.
Although I guess those who can work from home could do that, we didn't have that option before, we do now.
I understand that taking ten days off is out of scope for the majority of people, but I'm talking about a culture where people take no time off and assume whatever they have won't be communicated to others (or that it doesn't matter if it is). The point is that people often assume that what they have is no big deal and stories like the one above show that it sometimes IS a big deal.
Again, this is in the context of people being able to work from home, which I know is an option that wasn't freely available in the past and still isn't available for many workers now. I'm not at all judging people who need to go to work in order to keep their job or don't have sufficient sick days available.3 -
I'm actually somewhat more worried about any slight sniffle or cough (which could be for lots of reasons or just happen out of nowhere) being stigmatized if one is out in public. I do think most jobs that can be done from home will be a lot more flexible/open to people just working from home for a few days when contagious or for lots of other reasons.5
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.
But I have experienced "post viral cough" that can last up to 6 weeks. Even a regular cold or flu cough last about 10 days. I can't imagine anyone taking off 10 days for a cold. I don't get sick as much now, but when my kids were small it could happen 3 times a year. Like my work would not allow anyone to take off that much sick time for minor illnesses, I can't imagine most offices would. We get like 3 paid sick days.
Although I guess those who can work from home could do that, we didn't have that option before, we do now.
I understand that taking ten days off is out of scope for the majority of people, but I'm talking about a culture where people take no time off and assume whatever they have won't be communicated to others (or that it doesn't matter if it is). The point is that people often assume that what they have is no big deal and stories like the one above show that it sometimes IS a big deal.
Again, this is in the context of people being able to work from home, which I know is an option that wasn't freely available in the past and still isn't available for many workers now. I'm not at all judging people who need to go to work in order to keep their job or don't have sufficient sick days available.
I'm kind of hoping that wearing a mask when you are sick or coughing becomes more normalized here.
I think these Covid changes might stick actually. We have been operating on the assumption that Covid will be eradicated, but it doesn't seem likely that is going to happen, so there might not be an "after COVID" scenario where we go back to "normal". Maybe it will be better contained, but I feel we are going to be putting out Covid fires for quite a while to come.5 -
I'm actually somewhat more worried about any slight sniffle or cough (which could be for lots of reasons or just happen out of nowhere) being stigmatized if one is out in public. I do think most jobs that can be done from home will be a lot more flexible/open to people just working from home for a few days when contagious or for lots of other reasons.
My husband's blood pressure medication causes him an ongoing dry cough, he is so used to it he doesn't notice much, but when we are out somewhere I am always on him to put his arm over his (already masked) mouth. I feel like everyone is looking at us.6 -
I'm actually somewhat more worried about any slight sniffle or cough (which could be for lots of reasons or just happen out of nowhere) being stigmatized if one is out in public. I do think most jobs that can be done from home will be a lot more flexible/open to people just working from home for a few days when contagious or for lots of other reasons.
Oh, I know about the stigma and I get why there is one. I don't want to be around sick people, either! Still, it's so awkward for people like me. I run on trails where there is tons of room to distance - wide trails, lots of lightly used ones where I'm usually alone.
I often have exercise-induced asthmatic spasms at the end of my runs (I'm fine during the activity, but if I don't allow enough cool down transition and stop too abruptly, the coughing begins, and if there's cold weather I'm gonna for sure cough at the end, and maybe a bit during the activity.)
The trails are easy to distance on, but the main parking area is busy, and when I get back to the parking area after my runs I try so hard not to cough, but sometimes it just breaks through. I know it's skeeving everybody out - I get lots of horrified stares, but it is what it is. I'm not going to not go for my runs.
I stay as far away from people as I can. I won't run at the gym anymore - imagine how freaked out people would be if I had an attack in there on the treadmill - so I gotta run somewhere. I feel awkward when I cough in public. I feel bad for the people who are truly terrified of or disgusted by me. I don't blame them.
My lungs love to run in warm weather. Hardly any spasms at all. The weather is warming up lately, so the coughing should calm down a bit and I don't have to scare people as much...
I imagine the allergy sufferers out there must be feeling self-conscious, too! 11 -
Thought this graphic was well done, from updated CDC guidlines.
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I'm actually somewhat more worried about any slight sniffle or cough (which could be for lots of reasons or just happen out of nowhere) being stigmatized if one is out in public. I do think most jobs that can be done from home will be a lot more flexible/open to people just working from home for a few days when contagious or for lots of other reasons.
Oh, I know about the stigma and I get why there is one. I don't want to be around sick people, either! Still, it's so awkward for people like me. I run on trails where there is tons of room to distance - wide trails, lots of lightly used ones where I'm usually alone.
I often have exercise-induced asthmatic spasms at the end of my runs (I'm fine during the activity, but if I don't allow enough cool down transition and stop too abruptly, the coughing begins, and if there's cold weather I'm gonna for sure cough at the end, and maybe a bit during the activity.)
The trails are easy to distance on, but the main parking area is busy, and when I get back to the parking area after my runs I try so hard not to cough, but sometimes it just breaks through. I know it's skeeving everybody out - I get lots of horrified stares, but it is what it is. I'm not going to not go for my runs.
I stay as far away from people as I can. I won't run at the gym anymore - imagine how freaked out people would be if I had an attack in there on the treadmill - so I gotta run somewhere. I feel awkward when I cough in public. I feel bad for the people who are truly terrified of or disgusted by me. I don't blame them.
My lungs love to run in warm weather. Hardly any spasms at all. The weather is warming up lately, so the coughing should calm down a bit and I don't have to scare people as much... I imagine the allergy sufferers out there must be feeling self-conscious, too!
We have so many Frequent Flyer mile points to travel around the world and I'm worried we won't be allowed on a plane now. We have no Covid here but we do have bad sinus and allergy issues plus DH is a smoker so we are always coughing, sneezing etc.. but not sick. We also get our flu vax now days too and will get the Covid one if the darn government ever gives it to us.9 -
I'm actually somewhat more worried about any slight sniffle or cough (which could be for lots of reasons or just happen out of nowhere) being stigmatized if one is out in public. I do think most jobs that can be done from home will be a lot more flexible/open to people just working from home for a few days when contagious or for lots of other reasons.
Oh, I know about the stigma and I get why there is one. I don't want to be around sick people, either! Still, it's so awkward for people like me. I run on trails where there is tons of room to distance - wide trails, lots of lightly used ones where I'm usually alone.
I often have exercise-induced asthmatic spasms at the end of my runs (I'm fine during the activity, but if I don't allow enough cool down transition and stop too abruptly, the coughing begins, and if there's cold weather I'm gonna for sure cough at the end, and maybe a bit during the activity.)
The trails are easy to distance on, but the main parking area is busy, and when I get back to the parking area after my runs I try so hard not to cough, but sometimes it just breaks through. I know it's skeeving everybody out - I get lots of horrified stares, but it is what it is. I'm not going to not go for my runs.
I stay as far away from people as I can. I won't run at the gym anymore - imagine how freaked out people would be if I had an attack in there on the treadmill - so I gotta run somewhere. I feel awkward when I cough in public. I feel bad for the people who are truly terrified of or disgusted by me. I don't blame them.
My lungs love to run in warm weather. Hardly any spasms at all. The weather is warming up lately, so the coughing should calm down a bit and I don't have to scare people as much... I imagine the allergy sufferers out there must be feeling self-conscious, too!
We have so many Frequent Flyer mile points to travel around the world and I'm worried we won't be allowed on a plane now. We have no Covid here but we do have bad sinus and allergy issues plus DH is a smoker so we are always coughing, sneezing etc.. but not sick. We also get our flu vax now days too and will get the Covid one if the darn government ever gives it to us.
Tell your husband he has the perfect excuse to quit smoking now. The stigma of coughing in public. (Obviously, there are even better reasons not to smoke - but maybe this will work on him?)4 -
I will try that for sure jenilla. Still the sinus/allergy thing we have is an issue. I have always been working out where we are going next overseas mostly since we were teenagers so I really hope it's not an issue. Maybe a doctor certificate will get us on planes but still worried if others don't know it's just allergies etc.. By the way he did just get some medication to help stop smoking so that is a great first step.1
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Second shot DONE (April 30) and this time we didn't get any stinkin' lollipops.
grumble grumble grumble
Arm was more sore after this one but a lot better now.12 -
To those here posting of coughing issues, do know that reflux can cause coughing as well. Hubby has been dealing with that for a while and with dietary corrections, his reflux cough is rare. Interestingly, 2nd Pfizer vaccine kicked up his reflux horribly. Water even was coming back up in him. Did a two week course of Prilosec and is back to his pre-vaccine baseline. FYI docs have blamed his cough on asthma for years and were wrong.6
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »So is it just me or do the new CDC guidelines announced yesterday seem a little like nothing new? I guess they are just making it official that vaccinated people can be safer together. But honestly it's impossible to know if someone has been vaccinated or not anyway.
That was my take, really nothing new.
The only difference is before it was recommended (and state law here, although not enforced) to mask outside if you could not maintain a 6 ft distance (which at least many here in Chicago were taking very literally, perhaps that wasn't the case elsewhere in the state). Now, the recommendations at least clarify that if vaccinated, you can be unmasked outside unless in a crowd. But yeah, hardly a huge difference. I doubt it will make people on NextDoor stop complaining about every last person outside without a mask (and plenty of other people were already drawing the conclusion that it was okay pre CDC).
Here, too (California), that you must wear a mask outdoors if you cannot maintain at least six feet of physical distancing, so this is different for us. And, as others have pointed out, there's no way to know who hasn't been vaccinated.
It was campus policy (University of California) long before the state announced it as well, and we have not changed direction. Things are more complicated for us as CDPH often has more stringent guidelines than the CDC, so we're constantly comparing the two. That's not a bad thing, it just makes it more difficult when the CDC announces "relaxed guidelines" and CDPH hasn't changed anything. People get easily confused, including those of us enforcing campus policy.
Best example: beds in a room. CDC guidance says heads of the beds must be at least eight feet apart. CDPH says six feet apart at the closest point of the beds. After rearranging furniture for weeks (and making sure we don't violate Title XIX (fire code) by blocking windows with furniture), I can tell you the CDC guideline is MUCH easier to meet. And we have to buy lofting kits to meet the CDPH requirements in order to increase occupancy (as of now and we ahve to place the furniture order now in order to ensure delivery by fall).
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janejellyroll wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.
For some of us, being able to work from home has helped stem the risk to others. For some, like me, not having to get up, make myself "office ready," drive to work, and actually go in, has led to me pushing through and working form home when I should have been resting.
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.
But I have experienced "post viral cough" that can last up to 6 weeks. Even a regular cold or flu cough last about 10 days. I can't imagine anyone taking off 10 days for a cold. I don't get sick as much now, but when my kids were small it could happen 3 times a year. Like my work would not allow anyone to take off that much sick time for minor illnesses, I can't imagine most offices would. We get like 3 paid sick days.
Although I guess those who can work from home could do that, we didn't have that option before, we do now.
I understand that taking ten days off is out of scope for the majority of people, but I'm talking about a culture where people take no time off and assume whatever they have won't be communicated to others (or that it doesn't matter if it is). The point is that people often assume that what they have is no big deal and stories like the one above show that it sometimes IS a big deal.
Again, this is in the context of people being able to work from home, which I know is an option that wasn't freely available in the past and still isn't available for many workers now. I'm not at all judging people who need to go to work in order to keep their job or don't have sufficient sick days available.
Why we need better leave, and why everyone should have sick leave. I was really proud of our system--the UC gave everyone 128 hours of paid COVID leave that could be used for quarantine/isolation, to care for others, to help kids with online school. And they gave an additional 80 hours a couple months ago. I haven't used mine, but I have employees who have burned through all their paid leave with multiple quarantines and other COVID-related issues. The additional paid leave has truly been a blessing.
In previous years, I've watched office after office on campus go down with the flu, so clearly we were passing on the cooties. I would love to see us change our culture, but I think a lack pf paid leave (for whatever reason) will impact peoples' decisions to stay home. And I get it.8 -
@SModa61 what foods did your dh have to give up? I was on Prilosec for years & after stopping got a cough that will not go away, even after going back on Prilosec. Interestingly, it was a little better, but got worse again after my first Moderna shot.4
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janejellyroll wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.
For some of us, being able to work from home has helped stem the risk to others. For some, like me, not having to get up, make myself "office ready," drive to work, and actually go in, has led to me pushing through and working form home when I should have been resting.
When I was very ill for a week at the beginning of the year I was offered the opportunity to work from home. No, I need to lie on my couch and run to the bathroom every 20 minutes and occasionally nap because I'm worn out trying to fight this thing, not work.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.
For some of us, being able to work from home has helped stem the risk to others. For some, like me, not having to get up, make myself "office ready," drive to work, and actually go in, has led to me pushing through and working form home when I should have been resting.
When I was very ill for a week at the beginning of the year I was offered the opportunity to work from home. No, I need to lie on my couch and run to the bathroom every 20 minutes and occasionally nap because I'm worn out trying to fight this thing, not work.
It's pretty much always been expected where I work if we were working from home due to being sick we were still working.2 -
Had some of what I've heard are typical 2nd shot reactions from my Moderna vaccine on Saturday. A fever (around 100F) yesterday morning and accompanying mild headache. Felt a bit under the weather all of yesterday but feel fine this morning after some breakfast and coffee. Hoping that's it for me!11
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RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »@SModa61 what foods did your dh have to give up? I was on Prilosec for years & after stopping got a cough that will not go away, even after going back on Prilosec. Interestingly, it was a little better, but got worse again after my first Moderna shot.
@RetiredAndLovingIt In my husband's case, it appears his primary triggers are spices including black pepper, and acidic beverages. The acidic beverages are soft drinks, canned/bottled iced teas, and water with those liquid water enhancers added (think MIO and the like). Basically, he is now avoiding added citric acid in his beverages. He really has not changed much. I dealt with this as well, maybe 10 years ago. I had been clearing my throat for years, and then suddenly it felt like there was something caught in my throat. Got sent to an ENT and after checking me out, he was eyeing silent reflux, or LPR. He started me on the prilosec type product as well, but that is not something I wanted for life. Bought a book called "Dropping Acid" and it works through dietary changes to solve the reflux. It was a great help. I'm a little rusty now. I should go back and read it again. Let me know if I can help.
On a related note, looking back at what you wrote, if I recall, Prilosec is not supposed to be given for longer than 2 weeks. Longer term use is known for causing acid rebound. Sorry you are going through this and very curious that you and my husband may have been impacted by the vaccine.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.
But I have experienced "post viral cough" that can last up to 6 weeks. Even a regular cold or flu cough last about 10 days. I can't imagine anyone taking off 10 days for a cold. I don't get sick as much now, but when my kids were small it could happen 3 times a year. Like my work would not allow anyone to take off that much sick time for minor illnesses, I can't imagine most offices would. We get like 3 paid sick days.
Although I guess those who can work from home could do that, we didn't have that option before, we do now.
I understand that taking ten days off is out of scope for the majority of people, but I'm talking about a culture where people take no time off and assume whatever they have won't be communicated to others (or that it doesn't matter if it is). The point is that people often assume that what they have is no big deal and stories like the one above show that it sometimes IS a big deal.
Again, this is in the context of people being able to work from home, which I know is an option that wasn't freely available in the past and still isn't available for many workers now. I'm not at all judging people who need to go to work in order to keep their job or don't have sufficient sick days available.
Why we need better leave, and why everyone should have sick leave. I was really proud of our system--the UC gave everyone 128 hours of paid COVID leave that could be used for quarantine/isolation, to care for others, to help kids with online school. And they gave an additional 80 hours a couple months ago. I haven't used mine, but I have employees who have burned through all their paid leave with multiple quarantines and other COVID-related issues. The additional paid leave has truly been a blessing.
In previous years, I've watched office after office on campus go down with the flu, so clearly we were passing on the cooties. I would love to see us change our culture, but I think a lack pf paid leave (for whatever reason) will impact peoples' decisions to stay home. And I get it.
No offense, but other than a government entity (which I assume is like most, broke) and just raises taxes, how can an organization afford an additional 5+ weeks of sick time a person?
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »India's numbers are probably undercounted, though -- I found plenty of articles even from 2020 saying that. And it's clear that many places that were for whatever reason hit less hard early on got hit harder later, and the current situation in India is terrible.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/22/989768074/how-india-went-from-a-ray-of-hope-to-a-world-record-for-most-covid-cases-in-a-da
Older pieces include: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54176375 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53510307
I agree it’s devastating and extremely sad. People are dying because of oxygen shortages.
Just yesterday, my daughter said her boss thinks she has covid. My daughter told her to get tested. She said no, it’s probably just a cold🤷🏻♀️How many people think this way? Her boss won’t get the vaccine either.
A couple of months ago, my husband's boss had "really bad allergies or something" for over a week, kept getting worse and worse. She didn't want to get tested because she didn't want to be forced to quarantine. She ended up in the hospital with COVID (she's OK now but she was sick enough to stay in the hospital for a week.) Meanwhile, she spread it around work, the health department found out and came in and sent a bunch of people home to quarantine (including my husband who ended up negative.) Three other people at work ended up coming down with COVID shortly after. There are a handful of people at his work who say, "Yeah, we've all already been exposed. We don't need the vaccine now." WTH, people. So yeah, plenty of people "think this way."
I was telling my mom just last week that I was hoping that COVID would help end the "work through illness" culture that exists in some professions. It was not at all uncommon in my workplace for people to come to work with really bad coughs . . . basically as long as you weren't vomiting or had a high fever, you'd come into work. This wasn't due to economic insecurity (we had the ability to work from home, we had sick days). It was just "how things were."
But I think the mindset will be hard to change, even with the year we've just had.
For some of us, being able to work from home has helped stem the risk to others. For some, like me, not having to get up, make myself "office ready," drive to work, and actually go in, has led to me pushing through and working form home when I should have been resting.
When I was very ill for a week at the beginning of the year I was offered the opportunity to work from home. No, I need to lie on my couch and run to the bathroom every 20 minutes and occasionally nap because I'm worn out trying to fight this thing, not work.
It's pretty much always been expected where I work if we were working from home due to being sick we were still working.
Good Lord.
There was no such thing as working from home in my organization prior to March 2020, they like to monitor employees closely. I'm sure they still do, just over VPN rather than in person.
I was hospitalized briefly for surgery in March of this year and my roommate was doing work-related virtual learning from her hospital bed. At full volume. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.8 -
@SModa61 Thanks for the info. (sorry if I hijacked this thread.)1
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Here goes our hopes (at least mine).... But honestly, I am not surprised.
By Apoorva Mandavilli
May 3, 2021, 3:00 a.m. ET
Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe
Widely circulating coronavirus variants and persistent hesitancy about vaccines will keep the goal out of reach. The virus is here to stay, but vaccinating the most vulnerable may be enough to restore normalcy.
Early in the pandemic, when vaccines for the coronavirus were still just a glimmer on the horizon, the term “herd immunity” came to signify the endgame: the point when enough Americans would be protected from the virus so we could be rid of the pathogen and reclaim our lives.
Now, more than half of adults in the United States have been inoculated with at least one dose of a vaccine. But daily vaccination rates are slipping, and there is widespread consensus among scientists and public health experts that the herd immunity threshold is not attainable — at least not in the foreseeable future, and perhaps not ever.
Instead, they are coming to the conclusion that rather than making a long-promised exit, the virus will most likely become a manageable threat that will continue to circulate in the United States for years to come, still causing hospitalizations and deaths but in much smaller numbers.
How much smaller is uncertain and depends in part on how much of the nation, and the world, becomes vaccinated and how the coronavirus evolves. It is already clear, however, that the virus is changing too quickly, new variants are spreading too easily and vaccination is proceeding too slowly for herd immunity to be within reach anytime soon.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.html12
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