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I hope the USA is not over relaxing. This thing is still a world wide concern.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Now that I am fully vaccinated, I no longer wear a mask if it isn't required. Wal-Mart and Dollar General are not requiring masks of vaccinated customers, though I know this will be abused by anti-vaxxers. To be fair, they never really enforced masks anyway. But now I am protected and my mask doesn't do much to protect me anyway.
I still wear a mask if required, which includes my workplace. This weekend, I am flying and am wearing a KN95 at airports and on the planes since I still have a few and I consider planes an especially high risk with new strains. If I didn't happen to have some KN95 masks left, I probably would just wear a regular cloth mask.
Same here. Trader Joe’s and Target say masks not required for fully vaccinated customers. Yet unmasked adults with unmasked children under teenage years...You may be fully vaccinated but your 4& 9 yo are definitely not bc that’s not possible at this point. So they *should* still be wearing masks. Saw a ton of that at Target the other day. TJ’a was more 50-50 on masks/unmasked.2 -
gradchica27 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Now that I am fully vaccinated, I no longer wear a mask if it isn't required. Wal-Mart and Dollar General are not requiring masks of vaccinated customers, though I know this will be abused by anti-vaxxers. To be fair, they never really enforced masks anyway. But now I am protected and my mask doesn't do much to protect me anyway.
I still wear a mask if required, which includes my workplace. This weekend, I am flying and am wearing a KN95 at airports and on the planes since I still have a few and I consider planes an especially high risk with new strains. If I didn't happen to have some KN95 masks left, I probably would just wear a regular cloth mask.
Same here. Trader Joe’s and Target say masks not required for fully vaccinated customers. Yet unmasked adults with unmasked children under teenage years...You may be fully vaccinated but your 4& 9 yo are definitely not bc that’s not possible at this point. So they *should* still be wearing masks. Saw a ton of that at Target the other day. TJ’a was more 50-50 on masks/unmasked.
I was wondering. I just visited a Target in Spokane, WA today. No signs, but noticed a lot of people without masks, including a lot of employees. So I figured they weren't requiring masks for vaccinated people, but wish they had a sign.0 -
Sorry I haven't been on lately. Just thought I'd share what happened to me today.
I go to a very busy chiropractic chain. It opens at 10 AM and you don't have appointments, so it's first come, first serve. I can have 10 in line within the first five minutes of opening, so I normally get there early.
I've been wearing my mask, even though I'm fully vaccinated. I got there today and I was fourth in line. One lady was first, she was off to the left. Then there was a couple in front of me. I'd guess in their 30's or early 40s.
I'm waiting, in line, for it to open up. As I'm standing there, looking at my phone, I can feel the guy in front of me looking at me, then I start to hear him chirping up to his girlfriend or wife. You can hear, "sheep", "Fauci", you know the typical things of people that are anti-mask. It doesn't bother that much, to be honest.
But then things changed. He starts speaking up and raising his voice at me, "hey you...". After three times, I turn around and it's obvious he's talking to me. So I say, "me?". "Yeah, you", he says. "You vaccinated?", he asks. I say, yeah, yeah I am. "Then why you wearing a mask, because Fauci told you to?".
You have to understand, I'm normally a calm person, but I grew up in the semi hood. I'm starting to get very ticked off at this point. So I said something to the extent of "it's my right to wear a mask". He continues on me. The other people in line start to talk to him to. They are not happy either. He continues on me until, unfortunately, I tell him, "same as your right to be a douch-b". Then he tries to say I was too close to his girlfriend in line. Which wasn't true, but at this point, it's clear he's just trying to pick a fight. I also said it's none of his flippin business why I wear a mask.
At this point, before things escalate, I tapped on the door and asked to be let in because I was being harrassed for wearing a mask.
I still let the other three go ahead of me when they opened. I know the desk people and the chiropractors and they were not happy either that I was harrassed. I remained calm for me.
My wife wasn't happy that I said anything. She's always worried some loose cannon will pull a gun on you. IDK, I was boiling mad for hours.35 -
@MikePfirrman
Sorry that you had to deal with this problem Mike, and congrats for keeping your cool as much as possible while being assertive. You were a better person than me (and I am an old petite lady). I, and probably the jerk too, would have been in the local news reported from the hospital or local jail.
And I think that the person that disagree with your comment was either the jerk or somebody closed related to him. Most likely that person will strike mine too.
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@MikePfirrman I'm sorry some people are such a-holes. It was none of his business why you wear a mask. I bet he's the type to rant about his rights and freedoms and then bully others for exercising their own. Kinda hypocritical right?
I'd have been pissed all day after being verbally attacked by a random stranger while minding my own business. It feels like a violation. So I think your feelings are completely valid. I wish people would just be civil to one another.
Next time maybe don't fall into the confrontation trap - if anyone comes with that crap I don't even want to deal with it. I'll just say I've had a transplant and my medical team requires me to wear a mask. (My nephew had one, so I know this is a legit excuse.) There's no reasoning with a-holes so anything to shut them up and get them out of my face.8 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Now that I am fully vaccinated, I no longer wear a mask if it isn't required. Wal-Mart and Dollar General are not requiring masks of vaccinated customers, though I know this will be abused by anti-vaxxers. To be fair, they never really enforced masks anyway. But now I am protected and my mask doesn't do much to protect me anyway.
I still wear a mask if required, which includes my workplace. This weekend, I am flying and am wearing a KN95 at airports and on the planes since I still have a few and I consider planes an especially high risk with new strains. If I didn't happen to have some KN95 masks left, I probably would just wear a regular cloth mask.
Sorry but I don't know too much about the issue of getting the virus since we don't have it here in my region of North Queensland. Why are you not wearing a mask if not required? There is still a lot of people there with the virus and even if you are vaccinated you can get it. Sorry just trying to get my head around it all. I'd still be careful.3 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Sorry I haven't been on lately. Just thought I'd share what happened to me today.
I go to a very busy chiropractic chain. It opens at 10 AM and you don't have appointments, so it's first come, first serve. I can have 10 in line within the first five minutes of opening, so I normally get there early.
I've been wearing my mask, even though I'm fully vaccinated. I got there today and I was fourth in line. One lady was first, she was off to the left. Then there was a couple in front of me. I'd guess in their 30's or early 40s.
I'm waiting, in line, for it to open up. As I'm standing there, looking at my phone, I can feel the guy in front of me looking at me, then I start to hear him chirping up to his girlfriend or wife. You can hear, "sheep", "Fauci", you know the typical things of people that are anti-mask. It doesn't bother that much, to be honest.
But then things changed. He starts speaking up and raising his voice at me, "hey you...". After three times, I turn around and it's obvious he's talking to me. So I say, "me?". "Yeah, you", he says. "You vaccinated?", he asks. I say, yeah, yeah I am. "Then why you wearing a mask, because Fauci told you to?".
You have to understand, I'm normally a calm person, but I grew up in the semi hood. I'm starting to get very ticked off at this point. So I said something to the extent of "it's my right to wear a mask". He continues on me. The other people in line start to talk to him to. They are not happy either. He continues on me until, unfortunately, I tell him, "same as your right to be a douch-b". Then he tries to say I was too close to his girlfriend in line. Which wasn't true, but at this point, it's clear he's just trying to pick a fight. I also said it's none of his flippin business why I wear a mask.
At this point, before things escalate, I tapped on the door and asked to be let in because I was being harrassed for wearing a mask.
I still let the other three go ahead of me when they opened. I know the desk people and the chiropractors and they were not happy either that I was harrassed. I remained calm for me.
My wife wasn't happy that I said anything. She's always worried some loose cannon will pull a gun on you. IDK, I was boiling mad for hours.
I agreed with you, but I do think some of the reaction on this thread is based on where people live. Where I live, no one would get hassled for wearing a mask and in some cases (less now, much more in the past) you would be hassled for not wearing one, even outdoors. From what I've read, in some cities (largely in the NE or DC) you can get hassled even now, even if complying with signs that say vaccinated don't have to mask. I've heard from friends who (even here) fear they would be hassled for acting consistently with laws/rules that say that not being masked indoors if vaccinated. And there has been a lot of shaming of people who ignore more stringent earlier rules re masking outdoors or so on despite more relaxed rules now on NextDoor (and I have friends shocked that I don't believe sanitizing every surface is needed, including my keys, when I think that's actually consistent with more recent research -- and I don't tell others what to do ever but just say what I do when asked).
So yeah, I think people who are anti mask may be jerks in some places, but I also think in other places some may be continuing to be (in a non scientific way) super judgy of those not wearing masks, and I definitely see that on social media. I think people are reacting due to the polarization and shaming.5 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Sorry I haven't been on lately. Just thought I'd share what happened to me today.
I go to a very busy chiropractic chain. It opens at 10 AM and you don't have appointments, so it's first come, first serve. I can have 10 in line within the first five minutes of opening, so I normally get there early.
I've been wearing my mask, even though I'm fully vaccinated. I got there today and I was fourth in line. One lady was first, she was off to the left. Then there was a couple in front of me. I'd guess in their 30's or early 40s.
I'm waiting, in line, for it to open up. As I'm standing there, looking at my phone, I can feel the guy in front of me looking at me, then I start to hear him chirping up to his girlfriend or wife. You can hear, "sheep", "Fauci", you know the typical things of people that are anti-mask. It doesn't bother that much, to be honest.
But then things changed. He starts speaking up and raising his voice at me, "hey you...". After three times, I turn around and it's obvious he's talking to me. So I say, "me?". "Yeah, you", he says. "You vaccinated?", he asks. I say, yeah, yeah I am. "Then why you wearing a mask, because Fauci told you to?".
You have to understand, I'm normally a calm person, but I grew up in the semi hood. I'm starting to get very ticked off at this point. So I said something to the extent of "it's my right to wear a mask". He continues on me. The other people in line start to talk to him to. They are not happy either. He continues on me until, unfortunately, I tell him, "same as your right to be a douch-b". Then he tries to say I was too close to his girlfriend in line. Which wasn't true, but at this point, it's clear he's just trying to pick a fight. I also said it's none of his flippin business why I wear a mask.
At this point, before things escalate, I tapped on the door and asked to be let in because I was being harrassed for wearing a mask.
I still let the other three go ahead of me when they opened. I know the desk people and the chiropractors and they were not happy either that I was harrassed. I remained calm for me.
My wife wasn't happy that I said anything. She's always worried some loose cannon will pull a gun on you. IDK, I was boiling mad for hours.
I'm so sorry you had to deal with someone like that. Just remember they can't help it. They are dumb. stupid and can't help being that way.4 -
...So yeah, I think people who are anti mask may be jerks in some places, but I also think in other places some may be continuing to be (in a non scientific way) super judgy of those not wearing masks, and I definitely see that on social media. I think people are reacting due to the polarization and shaming.
Personally, I could care less if someone is thinking bad thoughts about me, being super judgy or even giving me dirty looks. What's not OK is total strangers aggressively confronting one another, making verbal attacks and invading their personal space in potentially physically threatening ways. They need to keep their ugly thoughts to themselves and be civil in public. I make judgments about others myself, but I keep those thoughts to myself where they belong, and I'm still polite and respectful.
ETA: I think there's a big difference between social media interactions and a real-world confrontation when you are out and about in public. But yes, we need more civility in general in both venues.12 -
Earlier, I was going to post about how my husband's family had a relative die last night in Italy and how I have sympathies for families who are unable to properly morn the loss of their family member. This morning, the phone report was that the he was on a "table in the cemetery", which I have to assume is a morgue, and that no one was allowed to see him nor services allowed. Just now, heard more from my MIL. The husband had gotten his COVID vaccination yesterday, did not feel good, went to bed and never woke up. Of course the speculation has already begun. He was 56.18
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Has anyone de-escalated a mask/non-mask situation? I wonder if it would work to say 'I have halitosis that would make you vomit."?9
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Earlier, I was going to post about how my husband's family had a relative die last night in Italy and how I have sympathies for families who are unable to properly morn the loss of their family member. This morning, the phone report was that the he was on a "table in the cemetery", which I have to assume is a morgue, and that no one was allowed to see him nor services allowed. Just now, heard more from my MIL. The husband had gotten his COVID vaccination yesterday, did not feel good, went to bed and never woke up. Of course the speculation has already begun. He was 56.
OMG I don't know what to think. This is so horrible. Big hugs to you all there.2 -
@MikePfirrman I'm sorry you had to endure such a situation, clearly the guy just wanted to pick a fight (verbal or otherwise). I'd be upset for hours too.
I understand that in a confrontational situation nobody wants things to escalate. I understand that there are many valid reasons for people to wear masks, even if they have been vaccinated already.
But is it really necessary to come up with those explanations? Considering that wearing a mask has absolutely no negative impact on anyone else around, shouldn't the answer "because I want to" be enough? It's nobody else's business anyway.10 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Sorry I haven't been on lately. Just thought I'd share what happened to me today.
I go to a very busy chiropractic chain. It opens at 10 AM and you don't have appointments, so it's first come, first serve. I can have 10 in line within the first five minutes of opening, so I normally get there early.
I've been wearing my mask, even though I'm fully vaccinated. I got there today and I was fourth in line. One lady was first, she was off to the left. Then there was a couple in front of me. I'd guess in their 30's or early 40s.
I'm waiting, in line, for it to open up. As I'm standing there, looking at my phone, I can feel the guy in front of me looking at me, then I start to hear him chirping up to his girlfriend or wife. You can hear, "sheep", "Fauci", you know the typical things of people that are anti-mask. It doesn't bother that much, to be honest.
But then things changed. He starts speaking up and raising his voice at me, "hey you...". After three times, I turn around and it's obvious he's talking to me. So I say, "me?". "Yeah, you", he says. "You vaccinated?", he asks. I say, yeah, yeah I am. "Then why you wearing a mask, because Fauci told you to?".
You have to understand, I'm normally a calm person, but I grew up in the semi hood. I'm starting to get very ticked off at this point. So I said something to the extent of "it's my right to wear a mask". He continues on me. The other people in line start to talk to him to. They are not happy either. He continues on me until, unfortunately, I tell him, "same as your right to be a douch-b". Then he tries to say I was too close to his girlfriend in line. Which wasn't true, but at this point, it's clear he's just trying to pick a fight. I also said it's none of his flippin business why I wear a mask.
At this point, before things escalate, I tapped on the door and asked to be let in because I was being harrassed for wearing a mask.
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I still let the other three go ahead of me when they opened. I know the desk people and the chiropractors and they were not happy either that I was harrassed. I remained calm for me.
My wife wasn't happy that I said anything. She's always worried some loose cannon will pull a gun on you. IDK, I was boiling mad for hours.
This post is going to sound like I don't empathize, but I do. (Why do people think it's OK to confront strangers, in the way he did, when there's no conceivable harm to him or his from your behavior? Ugh.)
But:
It would be sorely tempting to answer "You vaccinated?" with the inaccurate answer that some of my anti-mask, pandemic conspiracy theorist acquaintances have advanced about refusing to prove vaccination status to businesses: "I don't have to tell you because that's private, protected health information under HIPAA." 😉
(For those who don't know: Private, non-healthcare businesses are not "covered entities" under HIPAA. With respect to that law, stores (or arenas, etc.) can ask about vaccination status, refuse service if one refuses to answer or provide whatever proof they require. Only covered entities - health plans (insurance companies, HMOs, things like Medicare or VHA-type military/veteran programs), healthcare providers, and healthcare clearinghouses - are regulated by HIPAA, and even then it's more about what they can reveal to 3rd parties rather than what they can require of people they cover.)6 -
It had been really confusing for me in stores. I have just been wearing my mask in all stores because I keep seeing signs that say "please wear mask" or "mask required" (today in bed bath beyond) and then some others saying "masks optional for vaccinatedd" etc. So many conflicting things in the same area!4
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MikePfirrman wrote: »Sorry I haven't been on lately. Just thought I'd share what happened to me today.
I go to a very busy chiropractic chain. It opens at 10 AM and you don't have appointments, so it's first come, first serve. I can have 10 in line within the first five minutes of opening, so I normally get there early.
I've been wearing my mask, even though I'm fully vaccinated. I got there today and I was fourth in line. One lady was first, she was off to the left. Then there was a couple in front of me. I'd guess in their 30's or early 40s.
I'm waiting, in line, for it to open up. As I'm standing there, looking at my phone, I can feel the guy in front of me looking at me, then I start to hear him chirping up to his girlfriend or wife. You can hear, "sheep", "Fauci", you know the typical things of people that are anti-mask. It doesn't bother that much, to be honest.
But then things changed. He starts speaking up and raising his voice at me, "hey you...". After three times, I turn around and it's obvious he's talking to me. So I say, "me?". "Yeah, you", he says. "You vaccinated?", he asks. I say, yeah, yeah I am. "Then why you wearing a mask, because Fauci told you to?".
You have to understand, I'm normally a calm person, but I grew up in the semi hood. I'm starting to get very ticked off at this point. So I said something to the extent of "it's my right to wear a mask". He continues on me. The other people in line start to talk to him to. They are not happy either. He continues on me until, unfortunately, I tell him, "same as your right to be a douch-b". Then he tries to say I was too close to his girlfriend in line. Which wasn't true, but at this point, it's clear he's just trying to pick a fight. I also said it's none of his flippin business why I wear a mask.
At this point, before things escalate, I tapped on the door and asked to be let in because I was being harrassed for wearing a mask.
I still let the other three go ahead of me when they opened. I know the desk people and the chiropractors and they were not happy either that I was harrassed. I remained calm for me.
My wife wasn't happy that I said anything. She's always worried some loose cannon will pull a gun on you. IDK, I was boiling mad for hours.
Wow, I can't imagine that. I have seen people looking at those NOT wearing masks like they are doing something wrong. I haven't seen that but I am sorry you had to deal with that. Why does he care so much if some random stranger is wearing a mask or not?!3 -
From some one that has no Covid here I'm still wondering why it's a problem to wear masks, get your vaccination and stay away from others as much as you can till this is all better. Guess I don't get it but that is what I was doing when we had a close call. Do the right things and you'll be safe. I did it all too when needed and it wasn't so needed lol.2
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »It had been really confusing for me in stores. I have just been wearing my mask in all stores because I keep seeing signs that say "please wear mask" or "mask required" (today in bed bath beyond) and then some others saying "masks optional for vaccinatedd" etc. So many conflicting things in the same area!
Virtually every business I go to in my community is going with the general mask not required guidance.
And I don't live in a Red stare.3 -
I saw a piece on BBC that they've found a variant that combines the UK and India variants into one in Vietnam.2
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