Coronavirus prep
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paperpudding wrote: »Interesting change in vaccine advice - for Australia anyway.
Interval between Covid vaccine and any other vaccine was 14 days either side.
Has now been reduced to 7 and in exceptional circumstances can be given in under this.
I don't know if the official advice has changed in the US yet, but I remember on TWiV recently they said that the original 2 week buffer was out of an abundance of caution as there was no data, and at this point they don't see any need. Someone had written in because they were leaving the country, had to get one vaccine before they left, but also wanted to get the covid shot because wherever they were going was having supply issues if I'm remembering correctly. And they advised him to load up.5 -
An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid.
However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this. 6 -
Piggy backing on that, in our area (per my husband’s HR mgr) they aren’t even testing if you have been vaccinated, even with active symptoms, which sounds like a really bad idea… and data wise it frustrates me.An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid. However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this.
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An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid. However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this.
This kind of thing makes me wonder how many other illnesses he was tested for. If he was already vaccinated for COVID and had 3 negative COVID tests... maybe consider the possibility that he has flu, pneumonia, any other variety of illness with similar symptoms? Other diseases don't just disappear, and it seems irresponsible to only be testing for the "popular" one.5 -
An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid. However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this.
This kind of thing makes me wonder how many other illnesses he was tested for. If he was already vaccinated for COVID and had 3 negative COVID tests... maybe consider the possibility that he has flu, pneumonia, any other variety of illness with similar symptoms? Other diseases don't just disappear, and it seems irresponsible to only be testing for the "popular" one.
I'm not sure I understand why he wouldn't be tested for Covid? And he did end up testing positive the 4th time. His wife had it and had tested positive so he knew he'd been in contact. I know of another case where one of the family members tested positive, was having symptoms then 2 more family members started having symptoms yet tested negative even after being tested more than once each. They never showed a positive test despite living with the infected person and having very similar symptoms.
IOW I don't believe the tests to be so accurate that we should base all our answers/reactions on them.
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An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid. However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this.
This kind of thing makes me wonder how many other illnesses he was tested for. If he was already vaccinated for COVID and had 3 negative COVID tests... maybe consider the possibility that he has flu, pneumonia, any other variety of illness with similar symptoms? Other diseases don't just disappear, and it seems irresponsible to only be testing for the "popular" one.
I'm not sure I understand why he wouldn't be tested for Covid? And he did end up testing positive the 4th time. His wife had it and had tested positive so he knew he'd been in contact. I know of another case where one of the family members tested positive, was having symptoms then 2 more family members started having symptoms yet tested negative even after being tested more than once each. They never showed a positive test despite living with the infected person and having very similar symptoms.
IOW I don't believe the tests to be so accurate that we should base all our answers/reactions on them.
I guess I don't understand the purpose of testing for COVID if you're completely sure you have it and no amount of negative test results will convince you otherwise. Why waste resources and time running test after test, if you will only trust a positive result?
I can't imagine going to a doctor with a sore throat, being tested for strep, getting a negative result, and having the doctor say "well we'll just keep testing for strep until we get a positive." They would probably move on to other possible causes of my sore throat.7 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
Piggy backing on that, in our area (per my husband’s HR mgr) they aren’t even testing if you have been vaccinated, even with active symptoms, which sounds like a really bad idea… and data wise it frustrates me.An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid. However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this.
I agree that that's unfortunate.
One of my friends, fully vaccinated 65+, now believes she has Covid (fever, cough, wheezing, no smell/taste). Her doctor's immediate advice was for her to be tested for it. (Haven't heard the test result yet, so I'm not offering this as a "people who are vaccinated getting Covid" story (yet); I'm sharing it because it illustrates that the practices for testing Covid-suspect people post-vax may differ by area or even by doctor.)3 -
Here in the UK it was being said that one of the available vaccines, I don't remember which one, 80% reliable. This is way more reliable than the flue vaccine has been quoted to be in the past. So there is still a slight risk that someone who has been vaccinated will come down with covid But, having the antibodies already they will not become as ill as they might otherwise become, its highly unlikely they will need to go to hospital for instance. Where as someone who has not been vaccinated will still have the same likelihood of needing hospital care and face the ultimate price for not being vaccinated. Thankfully any deaths which are reported here are few, still too many but with deepest sympathy to the families, these are persons who rejected the vaccine.
Here we are having a battle with what is now called the delta variant. Our local numbers testing positive for the thing are up by 1/3 over last week and more over the previous weeks. Some are still talking about opening up everything on the 21st others are saying more care is needed. My hope is there are fewer who are left with long covid after the vaccination.
The reason doctors will request testing of someone with symptoms who has household contact is to be certain what it is and this particular case is reflected in the number tally. If tests are not carried out then how can the running totals be correct or as near as possible. It is possible for someone sharing the same household not to have covid even though another member of the household does. It happened in my family, my son and his second son both had it but no one else in the family did. It is much easier for the Delta variant to be transmitted thought.4 -
paperpudding wrote: »Interesting change in vaccine advice - for Australia anyway.
Interval between Covid vaccine and any other vaccine was 14 days either side.
Has now been reduced to 7 and in exceptional circumstances can be given in under this.
I don't know if the official advice has changed in the US yet, but I remember on TWiV recently they said that the original 2 week buffer was out of an abundance of caution as there was no data, and at this point they don't see any need. Someone had written in because they were leaving the country, had to get one vaccine before they left, but also wanted to get the covid shot because wherever they were going was having supply issues if I'm remembering correctly. And they advised him to load up.
I don't know if it applies to covid vaccines, but when I was reading up on vaccine intervals for my shingles shots (which do, or at least did at the time, have an interval recommendation with respect to other vaccines), and wanting to figure out when I could get my seasonal flu shot and a tetanus booster that I needed, I discovered that you could get all on the same day and not have to worry about interval spacing. My recollection was that this was a general recommendation (I believe I was on the CDC site) for any vaccinations that require an interval before getting a different vaccine (not all vaccines require an interval -- my recollection is that it wouldn't have been an issue if it had just been the flu shot and the tetanus booster).
Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor and all of the above is based on stuff I read nearly a year ago, so my memory could be off on details, although I'm confident on my main point about same-day vaccination being an option in lieu of interval spacing.2 -
An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid. However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this.
This kind of thing makes me wonder how many other illnesses he was tested for. If he was already vaccinated for COVID and had 3 negative COVID tests... maybe consider the possibility that he has flu, pneumonia, any other variety of illness with similar symptoms? Other diseases don't just disappear, and it seems irresponsible to only be testing for the "popular" one.
I'm not sure I understand why he wouldn't be tested for Covid? And he did end up testing positive the 4th time. His wife had it and had tested positive so he knew he'd been in contact. I know of another case where one of the family members tested positive, was having symptoms then 2 more family members started having symptoms yet tested negative even after being tested more than once each. They never showed a positive test despite living with the infected person and having very similar symptoms.
IOW I don't believe the tests to be so accurate that we should base all our answers/reactions on them.
I guess I don't understand the purpose of testing for COVID if you're completely sure you have it and no amount of negative test results will convince you otherwise. Why waste resources and time running test after test, if you will only trust a positive result?
I can't imagine going to a doctor with a sore throat, being tested for strep, getting a negative result, and having the doctor say "well we'll just keep testing for strep until we get a positive." They would probably move on to other possible causes of my sore throat.
You're assuming he wasn't also being continually tested for other conditions as well?
I don't believe it's unusual if someone is ill and not getting better, to get multiple tests until a result is achieved or they recover fully. I'm thinking specifically of autoimmune conditions (like Lymes) where it takes multiple tests over months and sometimes years. A tested diagnosis may affect insurance status too.
Determining why someone is ill may not directly affect the patient being tested (assuming they recover on their own regardless) but it is the type of data public health officials need to determine risk and spread.
Considering how new COVID-19 is, I think finding and documenting every case we can is super important to helping us understand it, get it completely under control, and be better prepared for the next pandemic. They are still learning new things about it all the time, including the best ways to test for it.4 -
An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid. However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this.
Given that false positives are also a thing, I would think you would want at least a fifth test to confirm the fourth test and rule out a false positive, after three negative tests.5 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
Piggy backing on that, in our area (per my husband’s HR mgr) they aren’t even testing if you have been vaccinated, even with active symptoms, which sounds like a really bad idea… and data wise it frustrates me.An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid. However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this.
I agree that that's unfortunate.
One of my friends, fully vaccinated 65+, now believes she has Covid (fever, cough, wheezing, no smell/taste). Her doctor's immediate advice was for her to be tested for it. (Haven't heard the test result yet, so I'm not offering this as a "people who are vaccinated getting Covid" story (yet); I'm sharing it because it illustrates that the practices for testing Covid-suspect people post-vax may differ by area or even by doctor.)
While the data for this particular incident doesn't support "people who are vaccinated getting Covid," the results of the research conducted for the pharma companies to get emergency approval tell us that people who are vaccinated can get Covid. That's what effective rates in the 95% range mean: 1 in 20 people who would have gotten Covid without the vaccine will still get it.
I'm not saying that as a reason not to get the vaccine. That's a fantastic effective rate, plus the severity of the disease goes down even if you still get it after being vaccinated. Not to mention the public health arguments around controlling disease spread and hopefully achieving herd immunity.
I'm saying it because there seem to be unrealistic expectations among the general public and the media such that a few "breakthrough" cases are treated as surprising after millions of doses have gone in arms.
If 100 million people in the U.S. are fully vaccinate (I believe that's low-balling) and the average covid incidence in the population has been 1% since vaxxing started (really taking a guess on that one, as we have never really had adequate testing in the U.S. for data purposes, and it's getting worse), you would expect about 50,000 breakthrough cases among the vaccinated.8 -
Here in the UK it was being said that one of the available vaccines, I don't remember which one, 80% reliable. This is way more reliable than the flue vaccine has been quoted to be in the past. So there is still a slight risk that someone who has been vaccinated will come down with covid But, having the antibodies already they will not become as ill as they might otherwise become, its highly unlikely they will need to go to hospital for instance. Where as someone who has not been vaccinated will still have the same likelihood of needing hospital care and face the ultimate price for not being vaccinated. Thankfully any deaths which are reported here are few, still too many but with deepest sympathy to the families, these are persons who rejected the vaccine.
Here we are having a battle with what is now called the delta variant. Our local numbers testing positive for the thing are up by 1/3 over last week and more over the previous weeks. Some are still talking about opening up everything on the 21st others are saying more care is needed. My hope is there are fewer who are left with long covid after the vaccination.
The reason doctors will request testing of someone with symptoms who has household contact is to be certain what it is and this particular case is reflected in the number tally. If tests are not carried out then how can the running totals be correct or as near as possible. It is possible for someone sharing the same household not to have covid even though another member of the household does. It happened in my family, my son and his second son both had it but no one else in the family did. It is much easier for the Delta variant to be transmitted thought.
Don't know where you are, and don't know how much this datum I saw the other day is skewed toward hot spots like India, but worldwide, with the year less than half over, more people have died from covid in 2021 than in all of 2020.
This was widely reported a day or so ago. Just google "more people dead from covid in first half of 2021 than in all of 2020" and choose your preferred news source.
*Edited to add that the stories are apparently based on the data maintained by Johns Hopkins University since the pandemic began.6 -
An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid. However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this.
This kind of thing makes me wonder how many other illnesses he was tested for. If he was already vaccinated for COVID and had 3 negative COVID tests... maybe consider the possibility that he has flu, pneumonia, any other variety of illness with similar symptoms? Other diseases don't just disappear, and it seems irresponsible to only be testing for the "popular" one.
I'm not sure I understand why he wouldn't be tested for Covid? And he did end up testing positive the 4th time. His wife had it and had tested positive so he knew he'd been in contact. I know of another case where one of the family members tested positive, was having symptoms then 2 more family members started having symptoms yet tested negative even after being tested more than once each. They never showed a positive test despite living with the infected person and having very similar symptoms.
IOW I don't believe the tests to be so accurate that we should base all our answers/reactions on them.
I guess I don't understand the purpose of testing for COVID if you're completely sure you have it and no amount of negative test results will convince you otherwise. Why waste resources and time running test after test, if you will only trust a positive result?
I can't imagine going to a doctor with a sore throat, being tested for strep, getting a negative result, and having the doctor say "well we'll just keep testing for strep until we get a positive." They would probably move on to other possible causes of my sore throat.
Despite getting your point, I have to share my experience with the last time I was tested for strep.
She did the rapid test, which is known to be less accurate. It was negative. She simultaneously did the test that takes longer to get results. It was positive.
I have been tested for just Lyme disease in the past. But now that I am aware that there is another tick-borne disease endemic to my mother's neighborhood, I know to insist on the "complete tick panel" rather than just Lyme disease. Last month, the testing turned up positive for a third tick-borne illness. OMG, I can't imagine if I had only been tested for Lyme and thus not treated!
Perhaps with the "4 tests before a positive" guy it went something like this:
1. Too soon for antibodies to show
2. Still too soon
3. Less accurate test
4. Accurate test8 -
kshama2001 wrote: »An article in today's small town newspaper told about a couple who contracted Covid, after having been fully vaccinated. The wife had head cold symptoms and felt better in a couple days. The husband, however, is immune compromised and was very sick with it; a month in and he still feels very fatigued. I can only imagine if he hadn't been vaccinated, he might very well have died contracting Covid. However, the part of the article that left me scratching my head was it wasn't until his 4th test that he received a positive result??? I can see first or maybe even second test with positive not showing up. But he was clearly sick and had clearly been exposed. How many people are going to be persistent enough to test 4x, especially if a person is lucky enough to not feel very sick??
There is so much that is still unknown in all of this.
This kind of thing makes me wonder how many other illnesses he was tested for. If he was already vaccinated for COVID and had 3 negative COVID tests... maybe consider the possibility that he has flu, pneumonia, any other variety of illness with similar symptoms? Other diseases don't just disappear, and it seems irresponsible to only be testing for the "popular" one.
I'm not sure I understand why he wouldn't be tested for Covid? And he did end up testing positive the 4th time. His wife had it and had tested positive so he knew he'd been in contact. I know of another case where one of the family members tested positive, was having symptoms then 2 more family members started having symptoms yet tested negative even after being tested more than once each. They never showed a positive test despite living with the infected person and having very similar symptoms.
IOW I don't believe the tests to be so accurate that we should base all our answers/reactions on them.
I guess I don't understand the purpose of testing for COVID if you're completely sure you have it and no amount of negative test results will convince you otherwise. Why waste resources and time running test after test, if you will only trust a positive result?
I can't imagine going to a doctor with a sore throat, being tested for strep, getting a negative result, and having the doctor say "well we'll just keep testing for strep until we get a positive." They would probably move on to other possible causes of my sore throat.
Despite getting your point, I have to share my experience with the last time I was tested for strep.
She did the rapid test, which is known to be less accurate. It was negative. She simultaneously did the test that takes longer to get results. It was positive.
I have been tested for just Lyme disease in the past. But now that I am aware that there is another tick-borne disease endemic to my mother's neighborhood, I know to insist on the "complete tick panel" rather than just Lyme disease. Last month, the testing turned up positive for a third tick-borne illness. OMG, I can't imagine if I had only been tested for Lyme and thus not treated!
Perhaps with the "4 tests before a positive" guy it went something like this:
1. Too soon for antibodies to show
2. Still too soon
3. Less accurate test
4. Accurate test
To add to step 1 ”too soon for antibodies to show”. Last autumn a colleague’s son (aged 10-ish) got covid from his sports team, and they would never have tested him if the team didn’t inform them of known exposure, as the son’s only symptom was a 3-hour headache. After the son was a confirmed case, the parents were tested on day 1 and day 4 of quarantine, I think, and the dad (my colleague) didn’t get any symptoms until probably a week after his son’s infection was confirmed. He tested a third time when he got symptoms, and that was his first positive. Nobody can know when exactly he was infected. We have strict quarantine rules and he’s a sensible dude so he stayed isolated from day 1, but in a different case he might have gone on to infect a bunch of people and, without the third test, contact tracing never might have happened.
Having been in contact with him the day before they found out about the son’s infection (but he was already infected and could have passed it on to his dad), I for one was very happy that he got tested so many times so a) I got double confirmation that he likely didn’t have it when we met b) he openly shared that he got a positive, so I was able to pay extra attention to possible symptoms and stay home just to make extra sure I don’t spread it if I had happened to catch it anyway.
In terms of quarantine orders and contact tracing, not to mention research, testing and tracking cases as accurately as possible is in my opinion very important. Even if it means getting tested multiple times.4 -
Just to add to the discussion about "breakthrough" cases, this is why herd immunity is the important goal. If you are vaccinated and you come in contact with the virus, your chances of getting infected are greatly reduced, not zero. So if you're vaccinated, but you're constantly running into the virus, you might still get infected.
If we reach herd immunity, that means the virus doesn't have enough targets to circulate through a community effectively, and you will rarely even come in contact with the virus. Rarely (if ever) coming in contact with the virus + being vaccinated = your risk is practically zero. 14 -
It is wild to me to be out and about today and it is like a switch has flipped… (almost) like nothing ever happened. Very very few masks seen, plexiglass barriers down, festivals and things starting up… we are still wearing masks indoors, I was a teetering germaphobe before all this happened and admittedly I like not breathing other peoples stuff as I go shopping… whether it is perfume, body odor, or germs.11
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moonangel12 wrote: »It is wild to me to be out and about today and it is like a switch has flipped… (almost) like nothing ever happened. Very very few masks seen, plexiglass barriers down, festivals and things starting up… we are still wearing masks indoors, I was a teetering germaphobe before all this happened and admittedly I like not breathing other peoples stuff as I go shopping… whether it is perfume, body odor, or germs.
LOL, my husband says he has a few stinky co-workers, and the best thing about the masks is not smelling other people's odors. Apparently, the people with the worst breath like to get right up in your face for conversations...
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They're taking down the plexiglass barriers? Dang, for the sake of the retail workers they could at least keep those up.13
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Interesting change in vaccine advice - for Australia anyway.
Interval between Covid vaccine and any other vaccine was 14 days either side.
Has now been reduced to 7 and in exceptional circumstances can be given in under this.
I don't know if the official advice has changed in the US yet, but I remember on TWiV recently they said that the original 2 week buffer was out of an abundance of caution as there was no data, and at this point they don't see any need. Someone had written in because they were leaving the country, had to get one vaccine before they left, but also wanted to get the covid shot because wherever they were going was having supply issues if I'm remembering correctly. And they advised him to load up.
I don't know if it applies to covid vaccines, but when I was reading up on vaccine intervals for my shingles shots (which do, or at least did at the time, have an interval recommendation with respect to other vaccines), and wanting to figure out when I could get my seasonal flu shot and a tetanus booster that I needed, I discovered that you could get all on the same day and not have to worry about interval spacing. My recollection was that this was a general recommendation (I believe I was on the CDC site) for any vaccinations that require an interval before getting a different vaccine (not all vaccines require an interval -- my recollection is that it wouldn't have been an issue if it had just been the flu shot and the tetanus booster).
Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor and all of the above is based on stuff I read nearly a year ago, so my memory could be off on details, although I'm confident on my main point about same-day vaccination being an option in lieu of interval spacing.
That's because shingles vaccine is a live vaccine
Our standard recomendation in Australia is that live vaccines can be given on same day - but if not, have a 4 week interval.
Since flu and tetanus are not live vaccines this does not apply to them1 -
Heard a different variation on vaccination reaction today. Hubby was talking to a friend that we have not seen since prior to the pandemic. Apparently in February, the friend contracted COVID, was very sick and was knocked down for 10 days. Even after the initial recovery, he continued to not be 100% for weeks UNTIL he got his first dose of the vaccine. All his remaining symptoms went away after the shot and he has been feeling well ever since.8
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You're assuming he wasn't also being continually tested for other conditions as wel
Surely he would of been.
Here in Australia we have rapid turnaround around covid tests - people who are contacts of cases,or mild symptoms to rule out covid, that sort of thing
But people who are ill would get full PCR range which includes influenza, whooping cough etc.2 -
Heard a different variation on vaccination reaction today. Hubby was talking to a friend that we have not seen since prior to the pandemic. Apparently in February, the friend contracted COVID, was very sick and was knocked down for 10 days. Even after the initial recovery, he continued to not be 100% for weeks UNTIL he got his first dose of the vaccine. All his remaining symptoms went away after the shot and he has been feeling well ever since.
I've read there are lots of anecdotes of long covid folks feeling better after vaccination. They're not sure why that would be, and I'm not sure how common it is. But hopefully it's another clue!5 -
paperpudding wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Interesting change in vaccine advice - for Australia anyway.
Interval between Covid vaccine and any other vaccine was 14 days either side.
Has now been reduced to 7 and in exceptional circumstances can be given in under this.
I don't know if the official advice has changed in the US yet, but I remember on TWiV recently they said that the original 2 week buffer was out of an abundance of caution as there was no data, and at this point they don't see any need. Someone had written in because they were leaving the country, had to get one vaccine before they left, but also wanted to get the covid shot because wherever they were going was having supply issues if I'm remembering correctly. And they advised him to load up.
I don't know if it applies to covid vaccines, but when I was reading up on vaccine intervals for my shingles shots (which do, or at least did at the time, have an interval recommendation with respect to other vaccines), and wanting to figure out when I could get my seasonal flu shot and a tetanus booster that I needed, I discovered that you could get all on the same day and not have to worry about interval spacing. My recollection was that this was a general recommendation (I believe I was on the CDC site) for any vaccinations that require an interval before getting a different vaccine (not all vaccines require an interval -- my recollection is that it wouldn't have been an issue if it had just been the flu shot and the tetanus booster).
Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor and all of the above is based on stuff I read nearly a year ago, so my memory could be off on details, although I'm confident on my main point about same-day vaccination being an option in lieu of interval spacing.
That's because shingles vaccine is a live vaccine
Our standard recomendation in Australia is that live vaccines can be given on same day - but if not, have a 4 week interval.
Since flu and tetanus are not live vaccines this does not apply to them
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paperpudding wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Interesting change in vaccine advice - for Australia anyway.
Interval between Covid vaccine and any other vaccine was 14 days either side.
Has now been reduced to 7 and in exceptional circumstances can be given in under this.
I don't know if the official advice has changed in the US yet, but I remember on TWiV recently they said that the original 2 week buffer was out of an abundance of caution as there was no data, and at this point they don't see any need. Someone had written in because they were leaving the country, had to get one vaccine before they left, but also wanted to get the covid shot because wherever they were going was having supply issues if I'm remembering correctly. And they advised him to load up.
I don't know if it applies to covid vaccines, but when I was reading up on vaccine intervals for my shingles shots (which do, or at least did at the time, have an interval recommendation with respect to other vaccines), and wanting to figure out when I could get my seasonal flu shot and a tetanus booster that I needed, I discovered that you could get all on the same day and not have to worry about interval spacing. My recollection was that this was a general recommendation (I believe I was on the CDC site) for any vaccinations that require an interval before getting a different vaccine (not all vaccines require an interval -- my recollection is that it wouldn't have been an issue if it had just been the flu shot and the tetanus booster).
Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor and all of the above is based on stuff I read nearly a year ago, so my memory could be off on details, although I'm confident on my main point about same-day vaccination being an option in lieu of interval spacing.
That's because shingles vaccine is a live vaccine
Our standard recomendation in Australia is that live vaccines can be given on same day - but if not, have a 4 week interval.
Since flu and tetanus are not live vaccines this does not apply to them
While Zostavax, which you use in Australia, is a live vaccine, Shingrix, what I received in the US, is not.2 -
Judge dismisses lawsuit by Houston hospital employees over Covid-19 vaccinations
A federal court in Texas on Saturday dismissed a lawsuit by 117 hospital employees who challenged their employer's vaccination requirement.
In the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas' written decision, Judge Lynn N. Hughes said lead plaintiff Jennifer Bridges, a nurse, and 116 other Houston Methodist Hospital employees who challenged the requirement, had no case.
...Hughes addressed the plaintiffs' arguments one-by-one. On the vaccination requirement violating due process, she wrote, "Texas does not recognize this exception to at-will employment."
On their argument that the requirement would force workers to break the law: "Receiving a COVID-19 vaccination is not an illegal act, and it carries no criminal penalties."
"She [Bridges] is refusing to accept inoculation that, in the hospital's judgement, will make it safer for their workers and patients in Methodist's care," Hughes wrote.
On their claim they were being coerced: "This is not coercion. Methodist is trying to do their business of saving lives without giving them the COVID-19 virus. It is a choice made to keep staff, patients and their families safer."
On their claim that they are being required to take an "unapproved" medicine: "Federal law authorizes the Secretary of Health and Human Services to introduce into interstate commerce medical products intended for use in an emergency."
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-dismisses-lawsuit-houston-hospital-employees-over-covid-19-vaccinations-n127059712 -
kshama2001 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Interesting change in vaccine advice - for Australia anyway.
Interval between Covid vaccine and any other vaccine was 14 days either side.
Has now been reduced to 7 and in exceptional circumstances can be given in under this.
I don't know if the official advice has changed in the US yet, but I remember on TWiV recently they said that the original 2 week buffer was out of an abundance of caution as there was no data, and at this point they don't see any need. Someone had written in because they were leaving the country, had to get one vaccine before they left, but also wanted to get the covid shot because wherever they were going was having supply issues if I'm remembering correctly. And they advised him to load up.
I don't know if it applies to covid vaccines, but when I was reading up on vaccine intervals for my shingles shots (which do, or at least did at the time, have an interval recommendation with respect to other vaccines), and wanting to figure out when I could get my seasonal flu shot and a tetanus booster that I needed, I discovered that you could get all on the same day and not have to worry about interval spacing. My recollection was that this was a general recommendation (I believe I was on the CDC site) for any vaccinations that require an interval before getting a different vaccine (not all vaccines require an interval -- my recollection is that it wouldn't have been an issue if it had just been the flu shot and the tetanus booster).
Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor and all of the above is based on stuff I read nearly a year ago, so my memory could be off on details, although I'm confident on my main point about same-day vaccination being an option in lieu of interval spacing.
That's because shingles vaccine is a live vaccine
Our standard recomendation in Australia is that live vaccines can be given on same day - but if not, have a 4 week interval.
Since flu and tetanus are not live vaccines this does not apply to them
While Zostavax, which you use in Australia, is a live vaccine, Shingrix, what I received in the US, is not.
That may be so about Shingrix - but what I said about intervals applies to live vaccines whatever they are.
And doesn't apply to flu and tetanus ( other vaccines poster mentioned) as they are not live vaccines.
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The worldwide corporation I work for changed the return to work for office employees in the US (the factory has been working obviously in person the entire pandemic as an essential industry). A couple months ago we were told we would do a phased approach with up to 20% of the workforce coming back to the office starting July 6th. This was just updated to 50% on July 6th (they are still evaluating facemasking guidelines). Originally they were saying you could come back if invited by your management and you agree. That is still in there but they are also saying if you want to come back and haven't been asked you can just let your manager know.
My wife is retiring soon so being in the office may be how I get work done LOL.
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It seems "return to work" plans are changing everyday for office-based workers.
In my workplace, they are currently saying that they will start phasing people back in during July. A "slow roll" with everyone working 2-3 days a week in the office. Some people are pushing to keep at least a partial work from home option, but that's not really fair for a lot of our staff, who HAVE to be on site.
Our sister company (different company, but same ownership) just announced that they want everyone back 100 percent, no more working remotely at all, as of August 1. When I heard that, I'm wondering if we'll do the same.
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I was inquiring about our reopening plan last week, and was told we are "never" returning to pre-pandemic normalcy. Idk what that means exactly but the head partner at our firm is super cautious, verging on paranoia, and will only come to the office when he is the only one there. So I guess we will keep the option of working from home going forward.
I already do go into the office twice a week, although it is closed to the public. When we do "reopen" in whatever capacity that is my plexiglass shield isn't coming down, I am for sure keeping it permanently.10
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