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Fitness and diet myths that just won't go away
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Well it's because the majority of people in the world work during daylight and sleep at night. And unless you're eating in your sleep or sleep like 3 hours a session, morning is usually when people break their fast.
its not a majority, please do not generalize and start a false argument. there are numerous people (medical, logistics, and emergency take a large percentage) that work outside your typical “morning to evening” hours.4 -
Well it's because the majority of people in the world work during daylight and sleep at night. And unless you're eating in your sleep or sleep like 3 hours a session, morning is usually when people break their fast.
its not a majority, please do not generalize and start a false argument. there are numerous people (medical, logistics, and emergency take a large percentage) that work outside your typical “morning to evening” hours.
https://www.pbs.org/livelyhood/nightshift/changing.html
Meaningful minority, yes. Majority - no. Recognizing that these numbers are US specific, this person did specify developed world and I'd be willing to bet they're pretty representative.
Majority = < 50 percent.
the majority do not in fact work second or third shift.
Numbers mean things.
Also pretty sure you're who started this argument. And it really does not belong here, no, but again: NUMBERS AND WORDS MEAN THINGS.
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Uh yeah the MAJORITY of people do work in day versus night. Most typical retail and service workers leave work around 5-6pm. Education instruction is done in the majority of daytime. Majority of labor workers work in daylight and not at night (especially when companies have to pay them more for night work).Well it's because the majority of people in the world work during daylight and sleep at night. And unless you're eating in your sleep or sleep like 3 hours a session, morning is usually when people break their fast.
its not a majority, please do not generalize and start a false argument. there are numerous people (medical, logistics, and emergency take a large percentage) that work outside your typical “morning to evening” hours.
7.6 billion people in the world
There's 15 million doctors
There's 28 million nurses
There's 30 million emergency (police, fire, etc) workers
That there just adds up to 70 million people
Now consider that it takes 1000 million to make 1 billion, I think the numbers are on my side.
Be welcome to refute it with actual numbers.
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and anyway even people who work shift work understand what breakfast means in our modern language
In fact it was me who first posted about this comment popping up whereas we all know what breakfast refers to, despite its literal meaning - and I worked shift work for most of my working life and have lived with a shift worker spouse for all of our 35 years of marriage.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »and anyway even people who work shift work understand what breakfast means in our modern language
In fact it was me who first posted about this comment popping up whereas we all know what breakfast refers to, despite its literal meaning - and I worked shift work for most of my working life and have lived with a shift worker spouse for all of our 35 years of marriage.
I usually eat my first meal of the day between 12:00-2:00 p.m. I call that meal lunch.5 -
Poll time?
My first (and only major)& meal of the day typically happens between 2 and 4 p.m. I call it breakfast if it's breakfast-y food. If it's not I call it dinner.
And before my eating habits drifted to one meal a day ish, I sometimes ate breakfast for breakfast AND fed my kids breakfast for dinner (usually biscuits and gravy).
Then there's the whole all day breakfast menu some places do--0 -
I call meals by the time of the day they happen at. That makes it easy to have plans with other people. I usually skip breakfast.
That said, breakfast is called that because it's when you break your (overnight) fast so I guess technically I never skip breakfast and neither do you.2 -
Same.paperpudding wrote: »and anyway even people who work shift work understand what breakfast means in our modern language
In fact it was me who first posted about this comment popping up whereas we all know what breakfast refers to, despite its literal meaning - and I worked shift work for most of my working life and have lived with a shift worker spouse for all of our 35 years of marriage.
I usually eat my first meal of the day between 12:00-2:00 p.m. I call that meal lunch.
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NorthCascades wrote: »I call meals by the time of the day they happen at. That makes it easy to have plans with other people. I usually skip breakfast.
That said, breakfast is called that because it's when you break your (overnight) fast so I guess technically I never skip breakfast and neither do you.
well, yes, technically nobody skips breakfast because whenever they eat their first meal is breaking their fast - but in real life we know what skipping breakfast means.
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I've had AM nausea since puberty so I've never been a breakfast eater. These days I have a protein drink (powder + water) around 1.5 hours after I get up, followed by a couple of cups of black coffee. I eat my first solid food, some sort of snack like fruit, at 10 AM coffee break.
However, I do log everything eaten before 1:30 PM (which is lunchtime) as "breakfast" just because it is consumed before "lunch".
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paperpudding wrote: »and anyway even people who work shift work understand what breakfast means in our modern language
In fact it was me who first posted about this comment popping up whereas we all know what breakfast refers to, despite its literal meaning - and I worked shift work for most of my working life and have lived with a shift worker spouse for all of our 35 years of marriage.
I usually eat my first meal of the day between 12:00-2:00 p.m. I call that meal lunch.
Same here. Or if it's the weekend and I have breakfasty food I might call it brunch.1 -
Why did they always send some poor guy named Rodriguez to go look behind that rock on the unknown planet?
It never ended well...3 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Skinny people just have faster metabolisms.
I honestly think most skinny people either just don't eat as much ( like my sisters who could eat tiny portions and be satisfied), use drugs ( like nicotine), were raised very active ( like in dance much of the day or just couldn't stop moving). Its just not good for those like me who like big portions ( just hate the hungry feeling!), don't do drugs, and are sluggish ( not the greatest traits!).4 -
Only eat whole foods. Or eat clean.
I eat clean. I clean my food before I eat it. And I prefer my food in bite sized chunks, not whole thanks.
Some people are amazing because they can take a small bag of chips or candy and make it last several hours! I don't know how they do that. I finish it in 5 minutes.3 -
That there is a really deep reason people put on weight.
I remember watching Chris Powell on Extreme Weight Loss make people breakdown and cry because they had these HUGE life issues and used food to cope.
I just love food. It's yummy.
There can be deep issues. Some people have intense emotional pain and struggle in their life and cry daily. Of course that doesn't mean they should turn to food to ease the pain.3 -
Only eat whole foods. Or eat clean.
I eat clean. I clean my food before I eat it. And I prefer my food in bite sized chunks, not whole thanks.
Some people are amazing because they can take a small bag of chips or candy and make it last several hours! I don't know how they do that. I finish it in 5 minutes.
If a "sharing size" bag of Kettle Chips (13 ounces) is a "small bag," I can usually make that last well over an hour.
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Grr... you had to mention "sharing size" bag... I was in the gas station the other day, wanted to treat myself with a bag of M&M's. But the smallest bag was a "sharing size" bag which is like 3 times the size of the old single serving bags. Since my plan was to eat on the road, there was no way to measure out a single serving, so I had to do without.2
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RE: "sharing size"...
I always felt that this was a marketing gimmick used by companies who want to cater to people who want a large portion size, while deflecting criticism that they are contributing to the obesity crisis. "Well, we TOLD them to SHARE it!"5 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »My personal pet peeve
“Cut out all sugar”
“White sugar is the devil”
And all variations of the same.
If I have the spoons for it? I generally respond with a deadpan “If you don’t eat sugar you will die very quickly.”
I also really hate this one’s corollary “It doesn’t have sugar in it. I used honey”
Which will, if I have zero spoons, earn a hard eye roll. If I do have spoons I will inform them that a person’s pancreas can’t tell the difference between white sugar and honey. And their “it doesn’t have sugar, I used honey!” can be very harmful to a diabetic.
Ugh, yes. One family member is certain that honey in daily coffee is better for him than sugar. Maybe if the taste caused you to use less, but I have my doubts since I buy the Costco size honey for him every time we visit…there is a lot of honey being consumed there 😬2 -
I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.9 -
Sixteen_Tons wrote: »I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.
Sometimes it does hurt to be fat. In a lot of ways, only occasionally physical which is what I assume that person meant.
Anyway on topic, I haven't read all 23 pages and I'm not going to but I'm just so incredibly over women's magazines that promise fast weight loss - no, Woman's Day, I cannot actually lose 30 lbs by this weekend, and it's grossly irresponsible of you to continue promoting the idea that dropping weight that quickly is a thing that's both normal to want and possible to achieve.14 -
Out on my run today (3rd run of year, 8.3 miles, tell me that isn't foolish) - thought of one usually heard from coaches around high school years it seems, though I have heard the mantra from others.
I find a similar philosophy sometimes causes me to be uninspired to do short workouts if I don't have the original time I planned - I guess a defeatist attitude.
If you want a good workout - Go hard or go home.
Perhaps related - Leave it all on the field.
Well no - for many years my runs were purposely done at recovery level - I had hard workout yesterday, and wanted another hard one tomorrow - so today was easy.
Go hard every workout, or leaving it all on the field, can come back to bite ya eventually.
The people doing so called HIIT workouts daily (which aren't really HIIT, but probably pretty intense for them anyway) and sometimes jumping right into them from sedentary lifestyle - soon discover this.9 -
This entire thread would be completely and absolutely unnecessary if everyone would just agree to drink Apple Cider Vinegar three times a day, everyday.17
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Motorsheen wrote: »This entire thread would be completely and absolutely unnecessary if everyone would just agree to drink Apple Cider Vinegar three times a day, everyday.
Cause no one in the world would be overweight.2 -
I rinse my hair with it three times a week. i have a very skinny neck. that means we should bathe in it.8
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wunderkindking wrote: »I rinse my hair with it three times a week. i have a very skinny neck. that means we should bathe in it.
Maybe I should start rubbing it on my stomach.
Who says you can't spot reduce?!9 -
Sixteen_Tons wrote: »I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.
Funnily enough I was talking to my Mum just today who said my aunt had said about me -> "why doesn't she just lose weight?"
Yeh... right... because I got up one day and said " You know what? I really fancy being obese because it looks like great fun" and I started on my path to eating those precious extra calories so over a period of years I could finally reach my goal weight of more than 20 stone.
Why would I not want that?
And after all, when the fun stops all we need to do is follow that excellent advice you hear all too often that all we need to do is "just eat less and move more" and suddenly we can just be 'normal' again.
Makes me cry a little inside.
Why were we talking about my aunt? Because I was telling my Mum I have now lost about half my starting weight and she said she had just spoken to my aunt (who we have not seen for getting on for 2 years because of covid) and she said has just hit 11 stone, which because she is only 4 foot 11 inches is..... obese.8 -
Sixteen_Tons wrote: »I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.
Funnily enough I was talking to my Mum just today who said my aunt had said about me -> "why doesn't she just lose weight?"
Yeh... right... because I got up one day and said " You know what? I really fancy being obese because it looks like great fun" and I started on my path to eating those precious extra calories so over a period of years I could finally reach my goal weight of more than 20 stone.
Why would I not want that?
And after all, when the fun stops all we need to do is follow that excellent advice you hear all too often that all we need to do is "just eat less and move more" and suddenly we can just be 'normal' again.
Makes me cry a little inside.
Why were we talking about my aunt? Because I was telling my Mum I have now lost about half my starting weight and she said she had just spoken to my aunt (who we have not seen for getting on for 2 years because of covid) and she said has just hit 11 stone, which because she is only 4 foot 11 inches is..... obese.
And this is where we ask, "Are you a good witch...or a bad witch?"
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