Coronavirus prep
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@SModa61 ! After posting I decided to listen to TWIV while I worked and Mondays epi was a Q&A with Dr Daniel Griffith and he talked about this
He said there is an age based development process for the immune system which leads to the dosing differences. A woman said her son is 4 and 1/2 and big for his age so can he get the 5-11 shot early, and he said no, she should wait.
@kimny72 Thank you so much for the effort and getting me that explanation. There was a reason I asked my question here.
I knew I would get a helpful answer! 3 -
I am not aware of any vaccines that give different amounts based on the size of the recipient (as oppossed to the age of the recipient)
However differences in dosing requirements according to age are not a new thing - several vaccines have an adult and a paediatric version - eg Hep A, Hep B
Flu vaccine also has an over 65's version
and several others have differences in spacing or number of doses required although each dose is not different - eg Gardisil, flu vaccine
of course like all such things there has to be a cut off point - although in reality, obviously it isnt a single point but a gradient.
Meaning, for example, I would never give a 20 year old the over 65's flu vaccine - but if it was all that was available I might give it somebody of 64.4 -
Just curious, regarding the vaccines for 5-11 yo, has anyone heard what kinds of possible side effects it may have??
I'd google but as I've said before, I trust most of you much more than I'd trust random sites.
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Just curious, regarding the vaccines for 5-11 yo, has anyone heard what kinds of possible side effects it may have??
I'd google but as I've said before, I trust most of you much more than I'd trust random sites.
In the trials, they said the kids had similar side effects to many adults...sore arms, headache, fever, but the symptoms were short-lived. As with adults, some had no effects.4 -
Just curious, regarding the vaccines for 5-11 yo, has anyone heard what kinds of possible side effects it may have??
I'd google but as I've said before, I trust most of you much more than I'd trust random sites.
Just to add a personal experience:
My boss's twin 7 yr old boys were in the trial. One had basically no reaction to either shot. The other had a fever starting about 12 hrs after the second shot that lasted about a day. They are both high risk and he was very emotional when he told us they were told this week that they did in fact get the actual vaccine!12 -
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.2 -
I worry about winter and the holidays. Last year we saw a surge in cases and many doctors seem to be concerned that the same thing could happen this year. People are indoors more and are gathering for Thanksgiving, Yule, Christmas, Hanukkah, and other holidays. In many areas (in the US/Europe/Asia), you can't really celebrate outside this time of year. For example, it is currently 28* F where I am.
I really need to sign up for my booster. If I can get in in the next 2 weeks it shouldn't interfere with Thanksgiving too much if I react like I did for shot #2. I need to double check my card though to see what date I got shot #2 and make sure I am 6 months out. I know it is sometime this month, just not sure exactly when.7 -
I worry about winter and the holidays. Last year we saw a surge in cases and many doctors seem to be concerned that the same thing could happen this year. People are indoors more and are gathering for Thanksgiving, Yule, Christmas, Hanukkah, and other holidays. In many areas (in the US/Europe/Asia), you can't really celebrate outside this time of year. For example, it is currently 28* F where I am.
I really need to sign up for my booster. If I can get in in the next 2 weeks it shouldn't interfere with Thanksgiving too much if I react like I did for shot #2. I need to double check my card though to see what date I got shot #2 and make sure I am 6 months out. I know it is sometime this month, just not sure exactly when.
Remember that last winter no one (except trial participants) were vaxxed and this winter lots of people are. I'm sure there are some states and counties where we will again see some horrible numbers, but in places where vaxx numbers are high an outbreak might mean higher cases but not the hospitalization spikes we saw last year.
I'm with you though, I'd like to get a booster before Thanksgiving. I got J&J and I'm still a little confused though if I'm offered the Moderna if I should get a full shot or the booster half shot. Maybe I'll just look for a Pfizer.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.3 -
Got my Moderna booster yesterday PM. Was quite pleased I did not have the same immed reaction I had to my 2nd Pfizer dose where my heart started racing, and I felt strange for hours. And so far I am not yet 24 hrs in, and I could do without the extra grapefruit on my shoulder - probably should ice that. I think all the vaccine must be sitting in my shoulder. He did draw a bit of blood when he gave me the shot...
I chose Moderna even tho I had the Pfizer because I have heard from a few friends about more breakthroughs with Pfizer. It could just be more people have possibly had that but I am talking from group setting outbreaks where the moderna folks did NOT get sick and the Pfizer ones did. 100%. And also a half dose. And also because I had that immed reaction to the 2nd Pfizer etc etc etc..
My friend who got J&J asked their Dr and was told to go Moderna also but not sure if just the booster or full dose. Not sure it matters or if there is even any data on mixing and matching at all.
I just scheduled it at the grocery store and it was in and out. They did not even ask to see my ID or my vax card. I think they just want to get as many folks vaccinated as they can at this point.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Kind of boggles my mind that Germany only has 66% vaccinated.
Here in Ontario we started our vaccines later than most and I think we are pushing 88% of eligible, and 78% of the entire population - hoping that will keep us from having another wave here.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Kind of boggles my mind that Germany only has 66% vaccinated.
Here in Ontario we started our vaccines later than most and I think we are pushing 88% of eligible, and 78% of the entire population - hoping that will keep us from having another wave here.
I hope you're right, but in the UK I believe about 80% of everyone over age 12 has been fully vaccinated and it seems to be at the peak of another wave now.
The important thing is though, as mentioned above, if vaccines take us to a point where case numbers may be high but there are fewer serious hospitalisations and deaths, that's a big benefit.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
Now that you realize you're a year behind you can move twice as fast to catch up. :-)3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!
https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
Yes, yes you did, Rumpelstiltskin.
Or maybe it's the Freudian way of letting us know we probably want to skip right past 2022 also.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.8 -
The vaccine is out of your system within a couple of weeks. There is absolutely no reason to think that there will be some kind of long term sinister effects. The rNA vaccines have to be kept so cold because they are fragile and break down quickly.
It's viruses that can hide in your body (like the chicken pox) and reemerge in a couple of decades to do more damage.13 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.
Yep, he practiced general medicine in the 90's and then worked in technology. Now he seems to make a living spreading misinformation on you tube, and teaching other doctors how to do the same. He's had several videos removed by you tube.17 -
The vaccine is out of your system within a couple of weeks. There is absolutely no reason to think that there will be some kind of long term sinister effects. The rNA vaccines have to be kept so cold because they are fragile and break down quickly.
It's viruses that can hide in your body (like the chicken pox) and reemerge in a couple of decades to do more damage.
My father said if you are looking for a bugger bear you are sure to find one. 3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
Now that you realize you're a year behind you can move twice as fast to catch up. :-)
So that's double calories burned and more ice cream for me, right? 6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
Yes, yes you did, Rumpelstiltskin.
Or maybe it's the Freudian way of letting us know we probably want to skip right past 2022 also.
I'm so afraid you're right.3 -
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.
Are you trying to say the study is bad, or his commentary on the research?
You can do better than just throwing out an ad hominem2 -
My imagined concern is another comparative. In cats, there is a feline coronavirus that is commonly caught. It manifests in the cat like a cold or the like. The cat recovers, but the virus lays dormant in the cat for life. What I recall is that stressors to the animal (aging, rehoming, other illnesses, etc) promote mutations in the virus. Certain mutations do not impact the animal a go undetected, but other mutations manifest as FIP which is essentially a fatal condition for the animal. I am sure there are much better explanations out there, but you can get the general idea. I am hoping that this COVID-19 virus does not share this trait.3 -
How weird to only come upon and read this thread now!
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.
Are you trying to say the study is bad, or his commentary on the research?
I tried to listen to some of the video and read the paper. The paper is published in a journal run by a controversial publisher that has been criticized for shoddy peer review and predatory means of getting both studies and reviews, as well as far too many after-publishing corrections and retractions. The study is in vitro, and draws some pretty controversial conclusions. I couldn't really follow it, not sure if that's just my own lack of knowledge or an issue with the paper. I would want an active and experienced expert to explain it to me, if it's worthy of paying any attention to.
The you tuber has no discernible background in virology, immunology, or infectious disease, hasn't as far as I can tell practiced medicine in years and has no business taking an in vitro study just published by a controversial web site and "explaining" it to the general public as possibly showing that the vaccines may be harming people while presenting himself as a "doctor".18 -
My imagined concern is another comparative. In cats, there is a feline coronavirus that is commonly caught. It manifests in the cat like a cold or the like. The cat recovers, but the virus lays dormant in the cat for life. What I recall is that stressors to the animal (aging, rehoming, other illnesses, etc) promote mutations in the virus. Certain mutations do not impact the animal a go undetected, but other mutations manifest as FIP which is essentially a fatal condition for the animal. I am sure there are much better explanations out there, but you can get the general idea. I am hoping that this COVID-19 virus does not share this trait.
I think there's good news and bad news. There are lots of coronaviruses and it sounds to this layperson like they don't all behave the same, so it's just as likely 19 will be like the common cold, or not like any of them at all, as that.
BUT, they've mentioned on TWIV that there are a lot of animal species that seem able to get infected with covid-19 and this does "possibly" mean that it can hide in other species and re-emerge in the future. It's why they don't think we'll be able to eradicate it, I guess all the viruses we've eradicated were only ever found in humans.
If it helps, I've noticed the TWIV podcasts seem to be assuming that we are on the tail end of this thing. They were just poking fun at a NYT article that quoted a cardiologist who said we'll be masking for the rest of our lives. They wondered why anyone would ask a cardiologist about a pandemic and said it was a ridiculous thing to say. Obviously they are not perfect, but listening to experts who have seen other virus outbreaks and who work with viruses all the time, who are confident in our progress, is reassuring for me!11 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.
Are you trying to say the study is bad, or his commentary on the research?
I tried to listen to some of the video and read the paper. The paper is published in a journal run by a controversial publisher that has been criticized for shoddy peer review and predatory means of getting both studies and reviews, as well as far too many after-publishing corrections and retractions. The study is in vitro, and draws some pretty controversial conclusions. I couldn't really follow it, not sure if that's just my own lack of knowledge or an issue with the paper. I would want an active and experienced expert to explain it to me, if it's worthy of paying any attention to.
The you tuber has no discernible background in virology, immunology, or infectious disease, hasn't as far as I can tell practiced medicine in years and has no business taking an in vitro study just published by a controversial web site and "explaining" it to the general public as possibly showing that the vaccines may be harming people while presenting himself as a "doctor".
Thanks for this answer. I didn’t have the spoons to go into any depth.
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Bad news from across the pond - Europe becomes COVID-19 epicenter again; world deaths down 5%Europe is once again at the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic, fueled by daily record deaths and cases in Russia, and surges in Ukraine, Poland and Germany.
The continent was the only one to post one-week increases: in deaths at 10% and cases at 9%.
Worldwide, cases increased 2% with 250,543,185 so far Sunday but deaths declined 5% with the toll 5,063,724, according to tracking by Worldometers.info.
Here's an interesting Korean study on how social distancing and mandatory masks reduced spread on mass transit. I'm glad we still have a mask mandate in my city.
Safe traveling in public transport amid COVID-19
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