Coronavirus prep
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Kiddos got their first doses last Thursday. I got my booster this past Monday. No issues all the way around. Kids were totally fine and my booster was just like my first two doses...zero side effects. Arm was a bit sore that evening, but I always get my jabs in my right arm as it is my dominant and moving it around all the time seems to make that soreness disappear pretty quickly.11
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I got the J&J so I have an appt this Friday with the health dept to get my booster. I'm getting Pfizer because it is the most available here in central Virginia for some reason.
Just listened to the last couple of TWIV clinical updates with Dr Griffin and figured I'd report some random points that stuck with me.
He reiterated that none of the currently available antibody tests should be used as a measure of immunity, and is disappointed some sources are doing so. There is no data to suggest that antibody level is indicative of immunity level. Immunity is a complicated process and goes beyond simple antibody levels.
He mentioned that initial studies suggested that long covid incidence is reduced by more than 50% in vaccinated covid infections, and that anecdotally front-line clinicians report almost no long covid cases in vaccinated people with break through infections. Since they still don't know what the root cause of long covid is, this is fabulous news if it holds up!
He also mentioned there's been more clinical attention paid to lingering brain fog in covid cases. There is mounting evidence that this isn't just a subjective "feeling" but it is legit cognitive deficit. It looks like it's more prevalent among young to middle-aged women (who not coincidentally tend to have hard to pin down symptoms like this down played by doctors).
In general, the TWIV virologists are still unconvinced immunity is "waning" and think it's quite possible continuing spikes and the low levels of recorded breakthrough cases come down to the fact that there are still too many unvaccinated hosts keeping covid-19 particles circulating easily in communities. Specifically in the US, not even the leading states in vaxx rates are high enough (esp when you factor in children) to be anywhere near herd immunity or whatever weird hybrid level of immunity we will eventually stumble into.9 -
Rheddmobile
OK, you live in the US. I live in the UK. We do not drive the distances you do. Our country, the 4 Countries which make up the UK in total area are probably smaller than most of your States!
I've always liked to keep my carbon footprint low. In my youth and through to my 40's I thought nothing of cycling 100+ miles (UK, incase they are different) a week. Having a car, later than most did not mean I liked increasing my carbon foot print but to work it was essential. I've planted trees where ever I've lived. We now I'm lucky enough to have planted a small wood at the bottom of the garden, envied by a neighbour. Long ago I'd learned, a speed of 45/50 gave best mileage/less carbon emissions on open roads. In the town I never revved my engine at lights, nor relied on my brakes, nor hung on the tail of the car in front. I grew up in an time of, make do and mend too. The desperate state some islands are in because of Climate Change, remember the conference last week? Says we should only do "essential" carbon releasing activities only. Locally our council are carrying out miles road works to enable cyclists to get from A to B on major roads making "essential" travel time consuming.
I was able to have my vaccine through a group of local medical practices, I doubt any of us on the "phone list" drove more than 5 miles round trip, the place was easy to find on maps, if you'd no previous knowledge. This did not inconvenience me from maintaining my child care commitments to keep my fulltime Healthcare Assistant granddaughter in work, even through the worst of the lockdown restrictions when only one minding set up was permitted and now. I'm enabling her to do the work I did, so I'm still supporting our healthcare system! I'm in my 70's and I don't think its too much to ask to be able to have the booster on the doorstep, so to speak, the same as the original vaccinations. If they are that keen on us getting these vaccines it should be made more easy for those who have been considered to be "in need" by virtue of age.
Yesterday I discovered my slightly older neighbour, was able to have her vaccine at the same place the original vaccines were given, she had been offered an appointment by phone from her medical practice as we'd been the first time round. This was because she is with a neighbouring Medical Practice which has now been able to start offering the service. Probably because provision through this present system is such a shambles and they want to do better than what has been on offer. I wish ours had been equally considerate to do similarly.
The way our system is working is a total shambles, now all comers able to get vaccines before those who are deemed to be at "Risk" have been able to find a slot. It seems we have to spend every hour of the day and night searching for an appointment, one premises says they have vaccine but you can't access them, that part of the system is Jammed. I can't imagine every little, old and disabled driver heading off through wind and rain into dark afternoons. I forget that's me, (my doctors are amazed with the degree of arthritis I have in my knees, I can still stand and walk and be normal!) Then to be harried by crazy younger drivers tailgating them all the way, then when they arrive in the new to them town, they have to find their way to the premises.
Who knows what health events could be triggered in these elderly by others bad driving. The standard of driving in our area has gone down hill radically in the time of COVID. I know because I drive before 08-00, different times of day and after 17-00, often with two young children in the car. I am often a nervous wreck by the the time I get home after it all. Before you comment, I should drive to the restrictions, I do and I drive carefully, when stuck in a line of traffic I leave space across minor road junctions and let other drivers enter the highway.
All I would like is to be treated as I was 7 months ago. thank you.6 -
I got the J&J so I have an appt this Friday with the health dept to get my booster. I'm getting Pfizer because it is the most available here in central Virginia for some reason.
Just listened to the last couple of TWIV clinical updates with Dr Griffin and figured I'd report some random points that stuck with me.
He reiterated that none of the currently available antibody tests should be used as a measure of immunity, and is disappointed some sources are doing so. There is no data to suggest that antibody level is indicative of immunity level. Immunity is a complicated process and goes beyond simple antibody levels.
He mentioned that initial studies suggested that long covid incidence is reduced by more than 50% in vaccinated covid infections, and that anecdotally front-line clinicians report almost no long covid cases in vaccinated people with break through infections. Since they still don't know what the root cause of long covid is, this is fabulous news if it holds up!
He also mentioned there's been more clinical attention paid to lingering brain fog in covid cases. There is mounting evidence that this isn't just a subjective "feeling" but it is legit cognitive deficit. It looks like it's more prevalent among young to middle-aged women (who not coincidentally tend to have hard to pin down symptoms like this down played by doctors).
In general, the TWIV virologists are still unconvinced immunity is "waning" and think it's quite possible continuing spikes and the low levels of recorded breakthrough cases come down to the fact that there are still too many unvaccinated hosts keeping covid-19 particles circulating easily in communities. Specifically in the US, not even the leading states in vaxx rates are high enough (esp when you factor in children) to be anywhere near herd immunity or whatever weird hybrid level of immunity we will eventually stumble into.
Thank you for this post. I was wondering this morning what the current TWIV discussion about boosters is in light of the anticipated change in booster recommendation this weekend. Do they seem to think boosters are a good idea for healthy people under 65?
ETA: In every discussion I have seen, virologists stress vaccinating the unvaccinated would have a much greater impact on public health than boosting the vaccinated, and hence that is where efforts should be placed. I get that. Roger. I'm just asking as a 50-something vaccinated person, not the director of public health resources. When I get the booster is solidly decoupled from any unvaccinated person changing their mind.1 -
I was in touch with a parent of our local school this afternoon; in her dd's 3rd grade class 50% of her classmates are out after having tested positive.
It feels like 1 or both of her dds are home every other week being quarantined. I cannot imagine being a parent right now of young ones in school.
My sister's friends who have Covid this week had antibody infusions. They're in their 80's and hadn't gotten vaccinated. They've been pretty sick but think the infusions are helping; though they're feeling terribly weak.
Thankfully, my sister's been fully vaccinated and tested negative after her exposure to them. The other 3 women who were exposed at the same time, have all been vaccinated and also tested negative.11 -
I got the J&J so I have an appt this Friday with the health dept to get my booster. I'm getting Pfizer because it is the most available here in central Virginia for some reason.
Just listened to the last couple of TWIV clinical updates with Dr Griffin and figured I'd report some random points that stuck with me.
He reiterated that none of the currently available antibody tests should be used as a measure of immunity, and is disappointed some sources are doing so. There is no data to suggest that antibody level is indicative of immunity level. Immunity is a complicated process and goes beyond simple antibody levels.
He mentioned that initial studies suggested that long covid incidence is reduced by more than 50% in vaccinated covid infections, and that anecdotally front-line clinicians report almost no long covid cases in vaccinated people with break through infections. Since they still don't know what the root cause of long covid is, this is fabulous news if it holds up!
He also mentioned there's been more clinical attention paid to lingering brain fog in covid cases. There is mounting evidence that this isn't just a subjective "feeling" but it is legit cognitive deficit. It looks like it's more prevalent among young to middle-aged women (who not coincidentally tend to have hard to pin down symptoms like this down played by doctors).
In general, the TWIV virologists are still unconvinced immunity is "waning" and think it's quite possible continuing spikes and the low levels of recorded breakthrough cases come down to the fact that there are still too many unvaccinated hosts keeping covid-19 particles circulating easily in communities. Specifically in the US, not even the leading states in vaxx rates are high enough (esp when you factor in children) to be anywhere near herd immunity or whatever weird hybrid level of immunity we will eventually stumble into.
Thank you for this post. I was wondering this morning what the current TWIV discussion about boosters is in light of the anticipated change in booster recommendation this weekend. Do they seem to think boosters are a good idea for healthy people under 65?
ETA: In every discussion I have seen, virologists stress vaccinating the unvaccinated would have a much greater impact on public health than boosting the vaccinated, and hence that is where efforts should be placed. I get that. Roger. I'm just asking as a 50-something vaccinated person, not the director of public health resources. When I get the booster is solidly decoupled from any unvaccinated person changing their mind.
My impression, which relies on my memory and attention span lol, is that they are unsure whether folks who aren't high risk need a third shot. They def agree with what you heard, but aren't sure blocking booster access would help get more shots to other places. It sounds to me like they think that if everyone had two shots, only the very high risk would need a third. But since regular vaxxed folks may be surrounded by unvaxxed folks, maybe a third shot for anyone who wants it isn't a bad idea, and it won't hurt. They do think J&J people should get a second shot, though they are still better off with one shot than unvaxxed.
Unfortunately not really a clear answer, but that's where they are to the best of my memory :drinker:5 -
I was in touch with a parent of our local school this afternoon; in her dd's 3rd grade class 50% of her classmates are out after having tested positive. It feels like 1 or both of her dds are home every other week being quarantined. I cannot imagine being a parent right now of young ones in school.
My sister's friends who have Covid this week had antibody infusions. They're in their 80's and hadn't gotten vaccinated. They've been pretty sick but think the infusions are helping; though they're feeling terribly weak.
Thankfully, my sister's been fully vaccinated and tested negative after her exposure to them. The other 3 women who were exposed at the same time, have all been vaccinated and also tested negative.
That's pretty nuts. We really haven't had much issue here. My 4th grader's school has only had one or two cases since school started. My 6th grader's school had a small outbreak of five I believe, but that was on the high school side of campus and upper school went remote for a week while middle school remained in person. And it wasn't even really a week, it was a Monday and Tuesday as the school went into fall break Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday which is why I think they just decided to remote those couple of days. Two others at his school, but they were both in administration.
We were pretty worried about it at the beginning of school, but so far things are going pretty well all things considered.4 -
In Australia we are now recommending and freely providing, booster shots to all people over 18 years, at least 6 months from their 2nd shot.
Since our vaccine roll out started later than many other countries, in practice that means only patients over 70 and medically high risk at this stage as they are only ones who finished primary course 6 months ago.
Recomended but not required at this stage to be considered fully vaccinated.
Covid certificates available to anyone who has completed 2 dose primary schedule.
More and more employers requiring evidence of vaccination- in SA, all employees of health, disability and aged care services, whether direct patient contact or not, Education Dept employees, visitors to Aged Care facilities.
Probably also other groups I am not aware of.5 -
Rheddmobile
OK, you live in the US. I live in the UK. We do not drive the distances you do. Our country, the 4 Countries which make up the UK in total area are probably smaller than most of your States!
I've always liked to keep my carbon footprint low. In my youth and through to my 40's I thought nothing of cycling 100+ miles (UK, incase they are different) a week. Having a car, later than most did not mean I liked increasing my carbon foot print but to work it was essential. I've planted trees where ever I've lived. We now I'm lucky enough to have planted a small wood at the bottom of the garden, envied by a neighbour. Long ago I'd learned, a speed of 45/50 gave best mileage/less carbon emissions on open roads. In the town I never revved my engine at lights, nor relied on my brakes, nor hung on the tail of the car in front. I grew up in an time of, make do and mend too. The desperate state some islands are in because of Climate Change, remember the conference last week? Says we should only do "essential" carbon releasing activities only. Locally our council are carrying out miles road works to enable cyclists to get from A to B on major roads making "essential" travel time consuming.
I was able to have my vaccine through a group of local medical practices, I doubt any of us on the "phone list" drove more than 5 miles round trip, the place was easy to find on maps, if you'd no previous knowledge. This did not inconvenience me from maintaining my child care commitments to keep my fulltime Healthcare Assistant granddaughter in work, even through the worst of the lockdown restrictions when only one minding set up was permitted and now. I'm enabling her to do the work I did, so I'm still supporting our healthcare system! I'm in my 70's and I don't think its too much to ask to be able to have the booster on the doorstep, so to speak, the same as the original vaccinations. If they are that keen on us getting these vaccines it should be made more easy for those who have been considered to be "in need" by virtue of age.
Yesterday I discovered my slightly older neighbour, was able to have her vaccine at the same place the original vaccines were given, she had been offered an appointment by phone from her medical practice as we'd been the first time round. This was because she is with a neighbouring Medical Practice which has now been able to start offering the service. Probably because provision through this present system is such a shambles and they want to do better than what has been on offer. I wish ours had been equally considerate to do similarly.
The way our system is working is a total shambles, now all comers able to get vaccines before those who are deemed to be at "Risk" have been able to find a slot. It seems we have to spend every hour of the day and night searching for an appointment, one premises says they have vaccine but you can't access them, that part of the system is Jammed. I can't imagine every little, old and disabled driver heading off through wind and rain into dark afternoons. I forget that's me, (my doctors are amazed with the degree of arthritis I have in my knees, I can still stand and walk and be normal!) Then to be harried by crazy younger drivers tailgating them all the way, then when they arrive in the new to them town, they have to find their way to the premises.
Who knows what health events could be triggered in these elderly by others bad driving. The standard of driving in our area has gone down hill radically in the time of COVID. I know because I drive before 08-00, different times of day and after 17-00, often with two young children in the car. I am often a nervous wreck by the the time I get home after it all. Before you comment, I should drive to the restrictions, I do and I drive carefully, when stuck in a line of traffic I leave space across minor road junctions and let other drivers enter the highway.
All I would like is to be treated as I was 7 months ago. thank you.
I wasn’t meaning to be unsympathetic, the differences between countries just amazes me. I have a German friend who heard I lived in Tennessee and wondered why I just didn’t pop over to Nashville - a four hour drive - to hear music all the time. The same friend was amazed that no one uses public transportation here because we basically don’t have it.
Here, local churches have been organizing shots for housebound older people, and giving people rides, but the official vax centers themselves are not very close for the majority of people. You can, however, get them at most drugstores, and it seems like there’s a CVS on every corner. You can get boosters and ordinary shots at the same locations.
You also have my sympathy with the bad drivers! Memphis drivers are legendary and every time I have to drive anywhere at rush hour I feel like I age five years from nerves. It seems like a lot of drivers don’t understand the first rule of driving, which is that only one car can occupy the same volume of physical space at a time! Two cars in the same exact location = Not Optimal, so avoid it!9 -
Thank you. hug0
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I am in the South in the USA- in fact in GA-- and yes- Our schools seem to have students out because of covid-- weekly--- no telling HOW the teachers will be able to grade and continue to teach the students.
Ps- my niece who is a 30 something year old- vaccinated teacher (also got a break though case Covid which she says- thanks to her vaccine- was mild - no picnic but milder than expected ) . Many in our area are Not vaccinated and also can chose to wear or not wear mask-..... but we keep TRYING!!!!!8 -
Kentucky USA is not a high vax state. Last Tuesday I was at Walmart parking when a car parked right behind me. It was a cousin that I had not seen in years. He wanted to tell me my 97 year uncle was inside getting his first COVID shot. 2 in the household had Covid so the family decided it was time to get vaccinated.
I was in CVS again yesterday and noticed more getting the Covid vaccine so more are starting to realize Covid is more dangerous than the common flu.
One person was concerned about vaccine side effects 5 years from now and I said I was more concerned about dying from COVID in 5 weeks from now than what may happen 5 years down the road.18 -
I know someone who has been sick for weeks already... in and out of the hospital and on oxygen when he was out. He still is testing positive despite seeming to feel better. This guy is 30s or 40s, so youth is not going to save everyone.12
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Probably this younger person has been caught because so many older persons have been vaccinated, making them less likely to contract the virus as badly as otherwise. Vaccinations for those in younger age groups were not available for quite a while. Once youth was a protection but as the virus is set to be with us for years protection for all needs to be taken where ever we can find it, in vaccinations and boosters. Boosters are still not freely available in my neck of the woods. Here in the UK the highest numbers of cases are in school age and older young people. Its so sad. I hope the person you know will break this thing and make a full recovery.2
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Probably this younger person has been caught because so many older persons have been vaccinated, making them less likely to contract the virus as badly as otherwise. Vaccinations for those in younger age groups were not available for quite a while. Once youth was a protection but as the virus is set to be with us for years protection for all needs to be taken where ever we can find it, in vaccinations and boosters. Boosters are still not freely available in my neck of the woods. Here in the UK the highest numbers of cases are in school age and older young people. Its so sad. I hope the person you know will break this thing and make a full recovery.
Here, vaccinations have been available for adults for months. I don't know if this person was vaccinated, but I know he had the opportunity to be. It's a co-worker and we even brought the National Guard on-site in July and Aug. to distribute vaccines to anyone who still needed and wanted one.5 -
I fear its likely he is unvaccinated. I'm relieved for him that he is keeping going. I think I remember some countries were trying giving extra antibodies, (not relying on the ones we should make for ourselves which can be slow building up), for those who have active lingering illness. I hope he recovers soon. I can't remember where I read this but sometimes those who have "long covid" do better once they have had the vaccine. it might be the vaccine educates the immune system so it kicks in and over comes the lingering effects. One thing is sure, this is some nasty virus.
It sounds as if you have a responsible employer with the workforces well being at heart. Would we being older, could get the booster vaccines here as easily.
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Work is requiring a booster by January 1 to be considered "fully vaccinated". Any employee without a booster by January 1 will be required to follow the unvaxed protocols for the office.9
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Italy is pushing boosters for over 40 if you are 6 months after the 2nd dose of anti-COVID. Those vaccinated have a "Green Pass" which was supposed to last 12 months. Now it will only last 9 months. With Austria locking down their unvaccinated, Italy is toying with the idea of mandatory vaccination to get the last 10% vaccinated. Cases are growing here, but hospitals are not being overwhelmed. Germany has a high level of unvaccinated and their hospitals are in trouble. There is protesting, sometimes violent, by no-vaxxers, and no Green Pass all over Europe.
For my disagree fairy: these are the facts, not my opinion.17 -
Ok, I'm convinced someone involved in TWIV reads this thread
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A link was posted here several days ago to a YT video where a "doctor" discussed a Swedish study that cautioned that the spike protein in covid-19 and the mRNA vaccines inhibits dna repair in cells, and the video suggested widespread vaccination could lead to a cancer epidemic.
Last week's TWIV epi discussed the paper (obv not the YT video). They noted the journal the paper was published in has had some issues with having to retract papers for issues that should've been caught in the editorial process. There was a lot of cellular discussion I didn't understand. But what I did understand was first that they were unable to follow the logic of why the study was done, or the logic of the conclusions that were drawn.
Second, the authors forced the spike protein into the nucleus of the cell,which is where the DNA is. There is no reason to think the spike protein of COVID-19 somehow gets into the nucleus of your cells when you're infected, and the vaccine doesn't infect your cells at all. So the situation they forced in vitro simply does not happen during infection or vaccination. Therefore even if the conclusion they drew is correct for this forced in vitro situation, it has nothing to do with either infection by Covid-19 or with mRNA vaccination.
Anyway, if you were concerned at all by that video, here are a bunch of actual virologists telling you that the study is questionable and even if it is correct, it has nothing to do with what happens in an actual human body getting either infected or vaccinated.22 -
Been MIA for a bit. Juggling lots. Anyhow, DH and I are planning on getting our boosters the week after thanksgiving and we are debating what choice to make. The two of us had Pfiser for our initial two. My husband keeps commenting on "how bad" his reaction was, though I don't think it was worse than a 24 hour flu. The question I am posing is, would you suggest the Pfiser booster or switching to the Moderna? Any insights? @summerskier I think I recall you making a post about a month ago about choosing to get boostered with your opposite vaccine.
Sorry if this is an old topic, but I have not mastered MFP searches.
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Been MIA for a bit. Juggling lots. Anyhow, DH and I are planning on getting our boosters the week after thanksgiving and we are debating what choice to make. The two of us had Pfiser for our initial two. My husband keeps commenting on "how bad" his reaction was, though I don't think it was worse than a 24 hour flu. The question I am posing is, would you suggest the Pfiser booster or switching to the Moderna? Any insights? @summerskier I think I recall you making a post about a month ago about choosing to get boostered with your opposite vaccine.
Sorry if this is an old topic, but I have not mastered MFP searches.
There's not a lot of data on what's better, just that it's not HARMFUL to mix and match the vaccines.
I had Pfizer for my first two, and got a Pfizer booster.
My husband had Moderna for all three.
Personally, if I had initially received the J&J, I'd have sought out either the Pfizer or Moderna for my booster, just because they have performed better than J&J.
As far as the side effects, it seems totally random. Your reaction to either of the first two shots are not a predictor of your reaction to the booster.
I had little reaction to the first two Pfizer, but had a high fever after my booster. My husband had a flu-like response to his second Moderna, but no reaction to the booster. Several of my co-workers who were knocked on their butts by the second Pfizer had little reaction to the booster.6 -
I don't know that I want to master the mfp searches! I think the "My Home" button has got lost from the, categories, discussions, groups, blogs, find members and invite friends line at the top. This questionable updating has certainly not simplified anything.5
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thanks @suzysunshine99 I think we will stay with the Pfizer. @fuzzipeg I agree that I do not think the "update" was an improvement.
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Been MIA for a bit. Juggling lots. Anyhow, DH and I are planning on getting our boosters the week after thanksgiving and we are debating what choice to make. The two of us had Pfiser for our initial two. My husband keeps commenting on "how bad" his reaction was, though I don't think it was worse than a 24 hour flu. The question I am posing is, would you suggest the Pfiser booster or switching to the Moderna? Any insights? @summerskier I think I recall you making a post about a month ago about choosing to get boostered with your opposite vaccine.
Sorry if this is an old topic, but I have not mastered MFP searches.
I got Pfizer for my first two as well as my booster. I got my booster at CVS and they told me it was no problem if I wanted to mix and match, but I just went with what I had initially. I think side effects are completely random. I didn't have anything with my first two or my booster except for a mildly sore arm. My mom had Moderna and she had no reaction to the first and mild side effects with the second and nothing with the booster. My wife also had Pfizer with no reactions to any of the shots. A friend of ours has had mild side effects with all three of her shots...those being mainly feeling a bit fatigued and "under the weather", but no fever or anything like that.1 -
I had Pfizer, Pfizer, Moderna. I agree with everyone that the side effects are pretty random. I had no reaction to the first, felt like I was coming down with something for about half a day with the second, and mostly just had a sore arm with the booster.2
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Made my booster appointment for after Thanksgiving also. I had Pfizer for the first two and only reaction was sore arm and extreme fatigue. I neglected to ask what the booster will be but will settle for either Pfizer or Moderna. Will reschedule if it's J&J.0
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I got the J&J in April. It kind of kicked my butt for a second. I had a fever, chills, and body aches by dinnertime, didn't get much sleep, but felt better the next morning.
I just got Pfizer on Friday. Felt fine other than a sore arm that day. Woke up Saturday kind of achy and tired like I was coming down with something, and my arm was still sore. Sunday I was fine.
Agreed that side effects seem really random across the board. The immune system is weird
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Exactly I had the Pfizer with my vaccines and just went with it for my booster too- I was fine-for my second shot- I had a slight reaction like mild flu just overnight- the booster went fine- just a sore arm as I usually have even when I get the flu shot each year- so I am so thankful to have them.2
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Earlier today there was talk (BBC News) of vaccines which create a "T cell" immune reaction are likely better than those which do not.0
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