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I had Pfizer for the original vaccine and wanted Moderna for my booster but Walgreens (where I scheduled mine) said they would only give you what you had originally. They probably don't want to deal with a 1000 questions. I could switch to using CVS if they let you choose which one you get but I want it sooner rather than later to maximize my immune system prior to winter.0
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Thanks all. I did our scheduling last night. Getting a booster in Florida was a piece of cake (flying there on Tuesday). We set it up for Pfizer booster next Friday morning. We’ll arrive at our condo Wednesday, buy groceries and such Thursday, shot Friday, and plan on quiet day Saturday.
@Theoldguy1 i remember when earliest rounds of travel quarantines existed. Massachusetts was quite strict. The irony was the Mass statistics at the time were worse than anywhere I was traveling from. As for your latest chart, I think current weather is a key component. Right now, more northerly states are heading inside for heat, while those yellow state residents are heading outside and away from air conditioning.3 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Hadn't looked at this for a while but seems counterinitiative. If you enter Chicago from a state with more that 15 cases per 100k population you are suppose to quarantine. Per the most recent map, the states that are "good' are some of the one's that tended to fight restrictions/vaxes, etc.
Don't really understand.
Probably a couple of explanations: (1) it's tended to be seasonal and moved from the south last summer north over the winter, so that part was expected to happen again; and (2) it really burned through the Florida to TX states over the summer -- I have a case in MS so have been following events there, and the death rate was quite bad, as well as the cases rate. My case was supposed to go to trial in Feb (it got moved to later in the year), and I had been saying that by that time the rate would likely be low given the two factors above.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Hadn't looked at this for a while but seems counterinitiative. If you enter Chicago from a state with more that 15 cases per 100k population you are suppose to quarantine. Per the most recent map, the states that are "good' are some of the one's that tended to fight restrictions/vaxes, etc.
Don't really understand.
I think a big part of it is seasonality. The Texas and the South was surging pretty hard over the summer. We're getting a surge here in NM similar to what we saw last year when the weather cooled and more people started congregating and doing things indoors. Our highest per capita new cases and hospitalizations are in the NW and Eastern/South Eastern parts of the state. We have a pretty good vax rate in the state as a whole, but those areas of the state have low vax rates and low mask compliance, so the numbers aren't all that surprising. Our highest vax rates are in the Abq metro area and Santa Fe, which make up over half the state's population.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Hadn't looked at this for a while but seems counterinitiative. If you enter Chicago from a state with more that 15 cases per 100k population you are suppose to quarantine. Per the most recent map, the states that are "good' are some of the one's that tended to fight restrictions/vaxes, etc.
Don't really understand.
Something looks a bit off with that graphic as CA is well below that threshold in both the most recent daily data and the moving 7 day average. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days
There are other states with low vaccination rates and little to no restrictions that are also seeing higher cases. The recent spikes in case rates among states mostly seems to correlate with cold weather and more indoor gathering, with some outliers like NM. FL, despite it's fight against restrictions, still has a relatively high vaccination rate. Looking at overall case rates, hospitalizations, and deaths over time, states with higher vaccination rates and more restrictions have overall done better.
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Been MIA for a bit. Juggling lots. Anyhow, DH and I are planning on getting our boosters the week after thanksgiving and we are debating what choice to make. The two of us had Pfiser for our initial two. My husband keeps commenting on "how bad" his reaction was, though I don't think it was worse than a 24 hour flu. The question I am posing is, would you suggest the Pfiser booster or switching to the Moderna? Any insights? @summerskier I think I recall you making a post about a month ago about choosing to get boostered with your opposite vaccine.
Sorry if this is an old topic, but I have not mastered MFP searches.
@SModa61 I can't remember much about my reactions to my first two Pfizer shots. I'm sure I documented them here; too bad the search isn't great. My mom had Moderna and had more of a reaction than I did, but she is almost 84 and I am almost 55. (Her reaction is feeling like she is coming down with a cold.)
Had my Pfizer booster last month and the next day my period started two weeks early, and pretty much continued til my actual period was due, when I had another one all over again. All this during closing on our house and moving >.< That and a mildly sore arm and perhaps a tiny bit of fatigue was the extent of my reaction.
My OH had intense fatigue for 8-12 hours with all three Pfizer shots.
I had my second shingles shot last week and had been dreading that, as I may have had a really bad reaction to the first one. (I say "may" because I was also diagnosed with the tick-borne illness Anaplasmosis two weeks after my shingles shot so I had no idea how much, if any, of my symptoms were from the shot and how much from the tick.)
This time after the shingles shot my reaction was just a very sore and sometimes itchy arm for 4 days or so, which was a big relief.
Now I'm ready for my flu shot!
(I spaced them all out because if I had reactions I wanted to know to what.)3 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Been MIA for a bit. Juggling lots. Anyhow, DH and I are planning on getting our boosters the week after thanksgiving and we are debating what choice to make. The two of us had Pfiser for our initial two. My husband keeps commenting on "how bad" his reaction was, though I don't think it was worse than a 24 hour flu. The question I am posing is, would you suggest the Pfiser booster or switching to the Moderna? Any insights? @summerskier I think I recall you making a post about a month ago about choosing to get boostered with your opposite vaccine.
Sorry if this is an old topic, but I have not mastered MFP searches.
@SModa61 I can't remember much about my reactions to my first two Pfizer shots. I'm sure I documented them here; too bad the search isn't great. My mom had Moderna and had more of a reaction than I did, but she is almost 84 and I am almost 55. (Her reaction is feeling like she is coming down with a cold.)
Had my Pfizer booster last month and the next day my period started two weeks early, and pretty much continued til my actual period was due, when I had another one all over again. All this during closing on our house and moving >.< That and a mildly sore arm and perhaps a tiny bit of fatigue was the extent of my reaction.
My OH had intense fatigue for 8-12 hours with all three Pfizer shots.
I had my second shingles shot last week and had been dreading that, as I may have had a really bad reaction to the first one. (I say "may" because I was also diagnosed with the tick-borne illness Anaplasmosis two weeks after my shingles shot so I had no idea how much, if any, of my symptoms were from the shot and how much from the tick.)
This time after the shingles shot my reaction was just a very sore and sometimes itchy arm for 4 days or so, which was a big relief.
Now I'm ready for my flu shot!
(I spaced them all out because if I had reactions I wanted to know to what.)
@kshama2001 I know I made comments here as well regarding what my and my husbands reactions were like. But in my mind, I think I am remembering them more minimally than they were, while my husband wanted to check off "severe reaction" (not) to previous vaccinations. Funny how time messes with the mind.
I just turned 60 and completed menopause 10+ years ago, so I have none of the menstrual symptoms to share. But I will say that even without any vaccine, my menses were life altering that last year. I finally went to the doctor to complain. He asked me to try and hold out for a year or so, and it would resolve itself. I never had another period after that appointment......
Flu shot is done. I think hubby and I are planning on shingles next summer once we get back north again for extended time. Sounds like you and I are sharing similar change of home situations. We signed on a townhouse July 6, before we started prepping to sell our home. Been dealing with both of those ever since and finally our house has new owners as of Nov 4. Meanwhile, we have had significant medical/life drama with my parents (86 and 84), beginning mid-Oct.
Our boosters are scheduled. We went for the Pfizer.
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Maybe someone mentioned this already, but I didn't see it here: there is a new variant identified. It seems there are small numbers so far (10 peoplespread between 3 countries and 2 continents), but seems like something worth watching.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/south-africa-detects-new-covid-19-variant-small-numbers-2021-11-25/3 -
Covid is spreading like wildfire at my workplace. I am currently out for a minimum of 2 weeks as I tested positive yesterday. I had my second dose about two months ago, and all other coworkers that are out with covid are also vaccinated. Three of my coworkers that are not vaccinated (and we work together regularly) are well. We wear masks indoors for the duration of our shift, except for eating/drinking, we have sanitizers throughout the building, and cleaning wipes at each lunch table(which all have plexiglass shields), computer, etc. I wear a mask at any store/business I visit, take a gym class where we're spread out at least 10ft apart, and try to remain cautious anywhere I go outside of home. Unvaccinated coworkers also state they only wear a mask at work because they're required to, but never elsewhere. Kinda irritating, but they don't have covid.
Oddly enough, my employer is no longer required to announce when we've had even a single case, or require close contacts to quarantine after being exposed like they did last year. I've been dragging since Monday with an annoying head/chest cold, and only went in for a few hours yesterday because of how holiday pay works. When I heard another person had covid(originally a rumor), my supervisor suggested I punch out and go across the street to get tested. Luckily, I wasn't close to anyone yesterday, so I don't feel like I exposed anyone, but I'm frustrated previous protocols no longer apply.18 -
@cmhubbard92 I hope you don't have a severe case! So sorry to hear of this. It just seems like no matter how careful we are that Covid has a mind of it's own sometimes.
From a curiosity standpoint where are you located and do you know what the folks who came down were vaccinated with? At 2 months you should have high protection so hopefully you will recover quickly and not lose your sense of smell or spike a fever. wow.
Our workplace is the same with everyone masking and all the precautions. I believe we are still doing contact tracing but it is scary to me to read your post.5 -
@SummerSkier
As of this morning(Day 5?) I have no taste or smell. Yesterday that part was fine, and then I went to have an apple cinnamon muffin and I tasted nothing, you would think that would hit the senses. I also couldn't smell the laundry detergent when I went to wash my clothes.
AFAIK, everyone currently out with the virus have had different ones. I and and one other had Moderna, two had pfizer and I am not sure of others...
I've had a low grade fever off and on throughout, as of right now it's normal.
I haven't received any calls for contact tracing since receiving my results... I took my own initiative and informed people I've seen within the last week, but other than that, nothing. I haven't heard a thing, and I thought the medical community wanted to keep on top of these things. 🤷♀️
Edit: I'm located in Connecticut, USA8 -
cmhubbard92 wrote: »@SummerSkier
As of this morning(Day 5?) I have no taste or smell. Yesterday that part was fine, and then I went to have an apple cinnamon muffin and I tasted nothing, you would think that would hit the senses. I also couldn't smell the laundry detergent when I went to wash my clothes.
AFAIK, everyone currently out with the virus have had different ones. I and and one other had Moderna, two had pfizer and I am not sure of others...
I've had a low grade fever off and on throughout, as of right now it's normal.
I haven't received any calls for contact tracing since receiving my results... I took my own initiative and informed people I've seen within the last week, but other than that, nothing. I haven't heard a thing, and I thought the medical community wanted to keep on top of these things. 🤷♀️
Edit: I'm located in Connecticut, USA
Hope you recover quickly and have no symptoms worse than what you've had so far. I agree about Covid having a mind of its own. Certainly makes a case for someone who is very uncomfortable getting the jabs. And I hate that. I've been vaccinated and will hopefully get my booster Monday. But after hearing stories such as yours, it doesn't instill as much confidence as I once had. Still, doing my best to keep myself and others around me as healthy as I am able to.
Get well soon!6 -
@ReenieHJ Thank you. At this point I am just very frustrated and hope that it passes quickly with no extra effects. I'm all for the vaccine but the vaccinated/unvaccinated ratio at my job has me seriously scratching my head!
The one thing that's definitely getting me down is that I am not able to get to the gym or hop on my treadmill. The first is because I'm isolating, and the second is because I have zero energy. I normally workout 4-5 days/week, and walk on my treadmill on off days. I'm in bed like a lump, I haven't even gone to the living room to watch a movie/show. The fatigue is unreal.9 -
Good God people just buy what you need! If everyone just buys what they need we will all be ok!1
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cmhubbard92 wrote: »@ReenieHJ Thank you. At this point I am just very frustrated and hope that it passes quickly with no extra effects. I'm all for the vaccine but the vaccinated/unvaccinated ratio at my job has me seriously scratching my head!
The one thing that's definitely getting me down is that I am not able to get to the gym or hop on my treadmill. The first is because I'm isolating, and the second is because I have zero energy. I normally workout 4-5 days/week, and walk on my treadmill on off days. I'm in bed like a lump, I haven't even gone to the living room to watch a movie/show. The fatigue is unreal.
The fatigue is just crazy! I’m a full month out from the day I lost smell and taste and I still need at least one solid hour+ nap a day just to function. Taste has come back probably 75% and smell much less than that. If this is light breakthrough COVID, I am grateful beyond measure that I’m vaccinated!8 -
BurnTheButter wrote: »Good God people just buy what you need! If everyone just buys what they need we will all be ok!
Welcome. I'm guessing you just just started this reading through this thread. It should be an interesting read. We've covered just about everything here. 9 -
I've read low zinc levels can be associated with having covid and particularly loosing ones, taste and smell. I'm sorry the posters above have covid when they have tried to avoid this thing. Possibly if you have a multivitamin and mineral skulking at the back of the cupboard or can have someone pick up some zinc for you it may help. Please look into dose suggestions I've no idea what level is considered safe. If your diet is mixed, meat and veg, rather than veg you are more likely to be ok for zinc where as vegetarian's are more likely to be low in zinc, plants do not tend to have zinc content.
Best wishes hope the worst passes soon for those with it.1 -
Here in Italy we are closing the airports to flights from South Africa. The African variant is worrying the experts. It may be able to get around the vaccines. More study is needed.7
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snowflake954 wrote: »Here in Italy we are closing the airports to flights from South Africa. The African variant is worrying the experts. It may be able to get around the vaccines. More study is needed.
The omicron variant seems to be all over the news today.1 -
I've read low zinc levels can be associated with having covid and particularly loosing ones, taste and smell. I'm sorry the posters above have covid when they have tried to avoid this thing. Possibly if you have a multivitamin and mineral skulking at the back of the cupboard or can have someone pick up some zinc for you it may help. Please look into dose suggestions I've no idea what level is considered safe. If your diet is mixed, meat and veg, rather than veg you are more likely to be ok for zinc where as vegetarian's are more likely to be low in zinc, plants do not tend to have zinc content.
Best wishes hope the worst passes soon for those with it.
Before anyone panics, the bolded is not really the case. Lots of plant foods have meaningful amounts of zinc (some legumes, nuts, pumpkin seeds, . . . ), and ovo-lacto vegetarians get zinc from dairy foods also. Yes, it's a nutrient we need to pay attention to, a bit beyond what omnivores may need to do - one of several.
Plant-source zinc may be less bioavailable than meat/seafood-source zinc. USDA says that means vegetarians/vegans may need intake above the omnivores' RDA for adequate absorption; and veg folks probably already know about phytates potentially limiting absorption, what that means for cooking techniques, and that fermenting soy products (as in tempeh, miso) enhances absorption.
More info:
https://veganhealth.org/zinc/
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Zinc-HealthProfessional/7 -
While there are lots of scary articles about the south African variant, they are based on very limited data. Most of the pros I follow on social media are saying that while this is concerning, other variants have been concerning and turned out to not be a problem.
From what I understand, any new variant has to be more transmissible than the current dominant variant, otherwise it can't get a foothold and dies out. So even if this new guy is better at evading vaccines, if it is less transmissible than Delta it won't matter. Also, it "looks" like it "may" be able to evade vaccines, that's not for sure yet.
The South African scientific community did a fabulous service to the world by identifying and sharing news of this variant so quickly!11 -
While there are lots of scary articles about the south African variant, they are based on very limited data. Most of the pros I follow on social media are saying that while this is concerning, other variants have been concerning and turned out to not be a problem.
From what I understand, any new variant has to be more transmissible than the current dominant variant, otherwise it can't get a foothold and dies out. So even if this new guy is better at evading vaccines, if it is less transmissible than Delta it won't matter. Also, it "looks" like it "may" be able to evade vaccines, that's not for sure yet.
The South African scientific community did a fabulous service to the world by identifying and sharing news of this variant so quickly!
That was yesterday’s news - today’s says that the new variant has taken over 75% of new South American cases in a week and is well on it’s way to being 100% in short order. Unless there’s been a mistake made, it looks super transmissible. And there are four cases in HK in fully vaxxed people. I think the only reason I’m not panicking is that my adrenaline system is so worn out from the past two years that I’m now incapable of panic. The good news, such as it is, is that the vax makers think it would “only” take about three months to get a new vax out tailor made for this variant.
Like I said, not panicking - just really really tired of this and wanting to hear some good news.8 -
The South African Health Minister says the vast majority of hospitalizations are still unvaxxed. There has been very slow uptake of vaccines in SA and surrounding countries. Said there is no data to suggest the new variant evades vaccine protection. That was a worry based on the number and placement of the mutations found in the lab, but so far there is no real world data to back that up.
(Disclaimer: this is what I read from a doctor who listened to the statement, I didn't listen myself.)5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »While there are lots of scary articles about the south African variant, they are based on very limited data. Most of the pros I follow on social media are saying that while this is concerning, other variants have been concerning and turned out to not be a problem.
From what I understand, any new variant has to be more transmissible than the current dominant variant, otherwise it can't get a foothold and dies out. So even if this new guy is better at evading vaccines, if it is less transmissible than Delta it won't matter. Also, it "looks" like it "may" be able to evade vaccines, that's not for sure yet.
The South African scientific community did a fabulous service to the world by identifying and sharing news of this variant so quickly!
That was yesterday’s news - today’s says that the new variant has taken over 75% of new South American cases in a week and is well on it’s way to being 100% in short order. Unless there’s been a mistake made, it looks super transmissible. And there are four cases in HK in fully vaxxed people. I think the only reason I’m not panicking is that my adrenaline system is so worn out from the past two years that I’m now incapable of panic. The good news, such as it is, is that the vax makers think it would “only” take about three months to get a new vax out tailor made for this variant.
Like I said, not panicking - just really really tired of this and wanting to hear some good news.
Me too.
And I'm reading the same information you are. We had a stock market crash in Europe yesterday due to news of the SA variant. My husband says that means it's definitely worth watching. My family in Minnesota want me to come home. Since we don't know where this is going, I'm on the fence.6 -
What makes me twitchy is how quickly the WHO has moved to name omicron a variant of concern. Delta was first identified in Oct, 2020. Does anyone remember how long it took for it to be labeled a voc?0
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rheddmobile wrote: »While there are lots of scary articles about the south African variant, they are based on very limited data. Most of the pros I follow on social media are saying that while this is concerning, other variants have been concerning and turned out to not be a problem.
From what I understand, any new variant has to be more transmissible than the current dominant variant, otherwise it can't get a foothold and dies out. So even if this new guy is better at evading vaccines, if it is less transmissible than Delta it won't matter. Also, it "looks" like it "may" be able to evade vaccines, that's not for sure yet.
The South African scientific community did a fabulous service to the world by identifying and sharing news of this variant so quickly!
That was yesterday’s news - today’s says that the new variant has taken over 75% of new South American cases in a week and is well on it’s way to being 100% in short order. Unless there’s been a mistake made, it looks super transmissible. And there are four cases in HK in fully vaxxed people. I think the only reason I’m not panicking is that my adrenaline system is so worn out from the past two years that I’m now incapable of panic. The good news, such as it is, is that the vax makers think it would “only” take about three months to get a new vax out tailor made for this variant.
Like I said, not panicking - just really really tired of this and wanting to hear some good news.
I haven't seen anything saying it has hit South America that hard. Do you mean South Africa?1 -
Me too.
And I'm reading the same information you are. We had a stock market crash in Europe yesterday due to news of the SA variant. My husband says that means it's definitely worth watching. My family in Minnesota want me to come home. Since we don't know where this is going, I'm on the fence.
One of the lessons of this whole debacle is that life is uncertain. I would go see your family while you still can. In February of 2020 I went to visit my 95 year old father in Texas as he had some serious health concerns. I am very glad I did as he died a year later, in a nursing home where we would not have been able to visit him.
At this point, I have become a lot more fatalistic. I feel like I will eventually get some variant of Covid. All I can do is try to live a healthy lifestyle, get vaccinated and boosted, and hope I'm not one of the unlucky ones who end up with long Covid or worse. I am not willing to put my life on hold forever and I'm not going to waste a lot of energy stressing about it.11 -
@spiriteagle99 I hear you. It seems like we are in an endless cycle with this virus. I was just looking at some #s. US Pop 333.7M, and identified 49.05M cases. Is that really possible that almost 14.7% of the US pop has had a case? Did I math that right? As far as World total 261.2M cases vs 7,846M Pop seems 3.3% (just using the data from the NYT website) 0
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SummerSkier wrote: »@spiriteagle99 I hear you. It seems like we are in an endless cycle with this virus. I was just looking at some #s. US Pop 333.7M, and identified 49.05M cases. Is that really possible that almost 14.7% of the US pop has had a case? Did I math that right? As far as World total 261.2M cases vs 7,846M Pop seems 3.3% (just using the data from the NYT website)
I'm not going to do the math
but I'd be cautious about comparisons with world data due to the huge disparities in testing (availability plus criteria) between nations. There are much less affluent countries where people have contracted Covid, become ill, died without ever having been officially tested as "positive", particularly in the early days of the pandemic. 6 -
The South African Health Minister says the vast majority of hospitalizations are still unvaxxed. There has been very slow uptake of vaccines in SA and surrounding countries. Said there is no data to suggest the new variant evades vaccine protection. That was a worry based on the number and placement of the mutations found in the lab, but so far there is no real world data to back that up.
(Disclaimer: this is what I read from a doctor who listened to the statement, I didn't listen myself.)
I was hoping TWIV would have something on it, but today's release did not include discussion of the new variant as far as I can tell. Likely too little info or lead time since WHO just held their emergency meeting yesterday. STAT had a good summary on the known/unknown regarding the new Omicron and what it could mean.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/26/whats-known-and-unknown-about-the-coronavirus-variant-identified-in-south-africa/4
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