Coronavirus prep
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This week in Massachusetts a local anti-vax radio host has just come back to the station after being out due to COVID. I missed his return day (was curious if he would change his tune) but I turned it on this morning and he had his wife on the show to recount the "horrors". I then found a 2 min excerpt on the internet from his monday return.
Here is what he and his wife are saying:
He was "bedridden, with coughs, chills, fever." Wife mentioned he could barely breathe and gasping for breath. He claims that from having the virus, he can tell that "C19 is made in a lab in Wuhan" (huh???). Their first complaint was that once the son tested positive (Sat. Dec 18), they could not find a home test in a store and spent two days looking (radio host already had symptoms) and then monday got a lab test that took 24 hours (he was symptomatic and COVID is in the home, is that not already definitive?). So on Tuesday their action was to spend their time searching for Monoclonal Antibodies and Ivermectin, which his PCP would not provide. Got the MA (from doctor of some sort) and Ivermectin (from someone's private stash) on Friday but then needed additional Ivermectin and talked about getting it shipped from another state. He said that if it were not for the drugs, he would have had to go to the hospital. Their end position is that Covid is "no big deal" if everyone just had home tests and MA, Ivermectin, Hydroxy (you know the name), and regeneron available in their homes.
Not one mention on how if he had gotten the Vaccine maybe he would not have been as ill.
On a second petty note, if I had been him, I would have been making sure I had a couple of emergency at home test kits. His wife drove everywhere trying to get a kit. Her husband and son have COVID. Does she not think that maybe she is carrying the virus with her into each of these stores? As kits have become harder to get, I proactively have ordered ahead and have a few in my home and, if unused, will go in my suitcase when we head to florida for 3 months.
As for the Radio Host's recommended treatments, I have no opinions as I personally don't know enough about any of them but have certainly heard the debates. But, I will say that his claim that he was "cured" by the MA and Ivermectin, neglects the variable that he was likely already at 7-8 days symptomatic when he started those treatments and maybe the virus was winding down on its own. I have no idea, but I hate claims that don't address every variable.
Turning the radio off now. I can't take more of his drama this morning.9 -
MSN had an article this morning saying that Quebec was planning to impose a healthcare tax on the unvaccinated. It hadn't been decided how much, just that it would be significant.12
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »allother94 wrote: »@allother94,
It's mind boggling that people are still not choosing to get vaccinated. They must be seeing all of this play out?? But instead of turning unvaccinated people away at the hospitals, why don't they turn them away everywhere else? Maybe it'd force their hand a bit more. JMO
They say the problem with the spread is overcrowding hospitals. If that really is the problem, then that is what they should address…
When someone says "They say" or "They should", without further amplifying, I wonder who the heck "they" are.
So, who is the "they" who should address the overcrowding of hospitals, and how should they do that, specifically - what are your ideas?
I suspect that public health authorities and governmental officials - here in the US, dunno where you are - believe that they are trying to address the overcrowding of hospitals by forming support teams of military members and sending them out to help staff hospitals, helping to build/equip auxiliary facilities where staffing is less the constraint, trying to limit exposures in less economically vital sectors or in less economically destructive ways (mask mandates, vaccination requirements, limiting crowding in social situations, etc.) . . . and telling people who aren't vaccinated to get vaccinated so they stop being the overwhelmingly largest group now overcrowding the hospitals.
If it's hospital administrators who are "they", I suspect they believe they're trying to address the overcrowding by converting wards that aren't usually infectious disease wards to wards for Covid patients, hiring traveling staff at exorbitant pay rates, eliminating elective surgeries (which aren't all trivial things!) to free up staff and space, requiring staff to be vaccinated to avoid further short-staffing from more-rampant sickness and the resulting absenteeism among staff, rededicating administrative staff to things like cleaning duties (yes, that's happening, in some places near me), and much more.
What are your ideas for what more "they" should do, to address hospital overcrowding, that's actionable and realistic?
Shouldn't "we" do our part, by getting vaccinated, avoiding truly unnecessary ER visits, and that sort of thing?
My suggestion is that hospital administrators make a policy that no unvaccinated Covid patients are accepted once the ICU or the hospital as a whole are at 90% capacity. That's generous, tbh... Probably should just be no unvaccinated patients at all (even non-Covid patients).
Edit: Is that specific enough?!rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Here's something that I do not understand... An employee where I work was sick and took a home test on Fri., Came up positive. He was very sick on Mon. and went to the Dr. where he tested positive and was given a note saying he can go back to work in 3 days. When did the standard become 3 days?! It is 5 days for positive when asymptomatic, but this person is NOT asymptomatic at all. WTF?!
I can do you one better. California, due to nursing shortages, has just said that nurses who test positive can still work if they wear masks. Not nurses who are EXPOSED, nurses who actually have covid. Caring for patients, who might or might not have covid.
I agree with this.
And it is true. Doctors are also working with Covid because otherwise there won’t be any left to work. What alternative is there?3 -
Ivermectin is complete BS. It treats scabies and other parasites, not Covid.9
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I read this yesterday and it is still lingering with me. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/opinion/omicron-covid-biden.htmlBritain, Stephanie H. Murray points out in The Atlantic, is determined “to ask as little as possible of children,” imposing harsher restrictions on adults so that students can continue to go to school. “Even during the strictest portion of last year’s lockdown, when all pubs and restaurants were closed and sitting on a bench with someone you ran into at the park was illegal, in-person schooling remained available for vulnerable kids and children of essential workers,” she writes.
Americans, by contrast, “have accepted more harm to children in exchange for less harm to adults, often without acknowledging the dilemma or assessing which decisions lead to less overall harm,” The Times’s David Leonhardt writes.
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Was feeling really good yesterday so I decided to do my Zwift workout for my current 6 week training plan (FTP Builder). I'm already a week behind schedule for my event in May. It felt good and I felt good afterwards, but woke up this morning hacking up a lung and a headache that won't go away and my head feels full of snot again. My wife who had little to no symptoms also woke up feeling crummier than she has since we tested positive and has been in bed most of the morning and is taking a sick day rather than WFH day.16
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Was feeling really good yesterday so I decided to do my Zwift workout for my current 6 week training plan (FTP Builder). I'm already a week behind schedule for my event in May. It felt good and I felt good afterwards, but woke up this morning hacking up a lung and a headache that won't go away and my head feels full of snot again. My wife who had little to no symptoms also woke up feeling crummier than she has since we tested positive and has been in bed most of the morning and is taking a sick day rather than WFH day.
This is also how I'm still feeling almost 3 weeks later. So much fatigue 😩 😪12 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Was feeling really good yesterday so I decided to do my Zwift workout for my current 6 week training plan (FTP Builder). I'm already a week behind schedule for my event in May. It felt good and I felt good afterwards, but woke up this morning hacking up a lung and a headache that won't go away and my head feels full of snot again. My wife who had little to no symptoms also woke up feeling crummier than she has since we tested positive and has been in bed most of the morning and is taking a sick day rather than WFH day.
This is also how I'm still feeling almost 3 weeks later. So much fatigue 😩 😪
I've been ok during the early part of the day, but I'm pretty drained by late afternoon. We've both been taking naps around 3 or 4 which is pretty unusual unless it's Sunday and I doze off watching football.5 -
MA may require it. Some places do, some don't.0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Was feeling really good yesterday so I decided to do my Zwift workout for my current 6 week training plan (FTP Builder). I'm already a week behind schedule for my event in May. It felt good and I felt good afterwards, but woke up this morning hacking up a lung and a headache that won't go away and my head feels full of snot again. My wife who had little to no symptoms also woke up feeling crummier than she has since we tested positive and has been in bed most of the morning and is taking a sick day rather than WFH day.
I felt pretty great for about a week after I lost my taste and smell and tested positive. Just felt like my usual fall allergies. Then I got hit by a very large covid truck and it took a while to come back from that. Hopefully you guys will be past this soon! Rest all you can and take Tylenol instead of ibuprofen if you need it.3 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Was feeling really good yesterday so I decided to do my Zwift workout for my current 6 week training plan (FTP Builder). I'm already a week behind schedule for my event in May. It felt good and I felt good afterwards, but woke up this morning hacking up a lung and a headache that won't go away and my head feels full of snot again. My wife who had little to no symptoms also woke up feeling crummier than she has since we tested positive and has been in bed most of the morning and is taking a sick day rather than WFH day.
This is also how I'm still feeling almost 3 weeks later. So much fatigue 😩 😪
I tested positive at the end of October and the second week of December was the first week I didn’t need at least one solid 1-2 hour nap a day. Luckily I work from home so I had the flexibility to do that. The fatigue and body aches were unreal. Imagine how bad this could be for someone unvaccinated!6 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »MSN had an article this morning saying that Quebec was planning to impose a healthcare tax on the unvaccinated. It hadn't been decided how much, just that it would be significant.
For the non-Canadians here... yeah, Quebec is like its own separate planet and often marches to the beat of a different drum than the rest of the country.
Apparently our Prime Minister is not in support of this scheme.
Since the costs of all this against our health care system have likely been astronomical, I'd like to see somebody start paying down the bill. Might as well be the folks who are most likely to drive the price tag upward.7 -
allother94 wrote: »allother94 wrote: »@allother94,
It's mind boggling that people are still not choosing to get vaccinated. They must be seeing all of this play out?? But instead of turning unvaccinated people away at the hospitals, why don't they turn them away everywhere else? Maybe it'd force their hand a bit more. JMO
They say the problem with the spread is overcrowding hospitals. If that really is the problem, then that is what they should address…
Well yes, But what is currently causing overcrowded hospitals? Has there ever been a time it's been this bad and the medical professionals have been stretched this thin? Shouldn't they address the origin of this issue? And if more people were having mild cases as opposed to life-threatening lung problems, the hospitals wouldn't be filling up their ICU's, etc.
And statistics show if a person's been fully vaccinated, most likely their symptoms will be milder. And people are still refusing to get the vaccine, some with legit reasons but my guess is most are not.
JMO
ETA: I realize vaccines still aren't a 100% guarantee of anything; they never were and never will be. But nobody can argue the fact that they do help. Numbers don't lie.
Unfortunately, people don’t want to get vaccinated. We need to accept this and find a better solution…
This reminds me of the joke about someone knowing that God will save him from rising flood waters. So he ignores the evacuation orders. When the roads are impassible he waves off a boat rescue. Water keeps rising forcing him onto his roof yet he refuses a helicopter rescue. Eventually he perishes and asks God why He didn’t save him. God responds, “I tried. I sent a warning, a boat and a helicopter. You didn’t accept being saved.”
Point is vaccines are the “better solution.” We need to accept that and avail ourselves of the lifesaving medical miracle that they are. The other ways to reduce transmission—masking, testing, distancing, closing gathering places— aren’t 100% effective either, and closing/limiting businesses has more negative consequences for the economy and people’s livelihoods. Obviously people are resisting those measures, too.
It doesn’t matter how good the solution is if you can’t get buy in from the people. Unfortunately, people aren’t going to do it no matter how right your solution is. That’s reality. Continuing to tell people, who will never do it, to get the vax is not a solution and gets us nowhere.2 -
allother94 wrote: »Heard a report (NPR news) today about a hospital where they test everyone on arrival, no matter what has brought them to the hospital/ER, no matter whether Covid-symptomatic or not. With the Omicron wave, 1 in 7 people coming into the hospital are testing positive. The test report comes back after they've been in the hospital for a while, if only in the ER.
Those presenting for other conditions, with no Covid symptoms, have by that time encountered various staff members who are not in full Covid-precautions mode. It's leading to an increase in cases among the staff, usually minor because staff are vaccinated. Even so, staff need to isolate for a minimum of 5 days, so even more staffing shortages are resulting.
There are a lot of moving parts to all of these systems, and new circumstances cause new complications/problems.
Another reason to stay away from the ER if you don't truly need to be there is the potential to contract Covid from fellow patients in the ER. Obviously, don't stay away if you have a serious medical problem. It's a balance of risks question.
Very true! If one doesn’t have Covid then there is a high chance of catching it by coming in. Everyone who has had a potential exposure or respiratory symptoms even if not Covid are lumped together in our Covid tent, because we can’t put them with the general population.
We are short staffed again tomorrow. It sucks. And patients complain so much about the wait times not realizing we get no breaks, bend over backwards for them, and put our health on the line. This pandemic has really made me lose faith in humanity as a whole.
My current stance is that hospitals should turn away unvaccinated patients and not offer testing. That should solve the CoVid hospital problem.
Why don’t hospitals have an online checking and waiting system? I know emergencies are just that, but what good does it do sitting in a room for 10 hours when you can stay at home until you can be seen?
I am for the vaccine, but I also don't really feel that we need to turn away those from the hospital that are unvaccinated. What about those that choose not to get vaccinated because of a reaction. For example my dad is 66 years old. He went in and got his Pfizer shot and had about two weeks of body aches, fatigue and felt awful. After getting his second shot, within in 24 hours he was rushed to the hospital in severe pain. He stayed in the hospital over a week, turns out there was increasing inflammation that was pushing on a nerve in his back. He had to have surgery and it has almost been a year and is still not able to walk without a limp. There was no proof that it was the vaccine, but now he is really scared to get his booster and I don't blame him.
My father in law is another one that won't be getting his booster. After his two shots his RA flared up and has been worse ever since. I know it could all be a coincidence, but why look down on those who choose not to get vaccinated because of reactions they have had.
There can be exceptions. Like a handicap sticker for you car. Needs to be light though…1 -
The article doesn't say why the person wasn't vaxxed but I can only imagine how difficult it would be doctors to have to ask these questions and for doctors to have to even consider such requests.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/13/my-bile-rises-as-im-asked-to-move-my-dying-cancer-patient-out-of-icu-to-make-room-for-an-unvaccinated-man-with-covid
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@ChelzFit
I agree there are some that cannot handle the vaccine and I feel badly for those that truly can't or are afraid of having another vaccination after such terrible results from previous a one. My sister still refuses to take a flu shot because of some terrible reactions in the past.
But I wonder how many there really are out of all the people who've refused that have had real issues? How many are afraid of it? How many don't want to be told what to do; their rights are being taken away? How many still think it's all a political farce? Those are the ones that need to make a compromise.
My niece works in her dh's doctor's office and she's relayed stories you wouldn't believe, about just refusing to wear a mask.
IMO there are too many people in this world who feel it's all about them and don't think of the other guy. How about keeping as many people out of the hospital as possible? The hospitals should not have to be making choices about who to turn away or let die or not being able to see emergency patients because they're over worked, understaffed, etc., etc. 5 -
In Massachusetts ATM, on the morning news between snowstorm and my brewing coffee, they mentioned good news IMO.
News stated that starting next week, here in Massachusetts the state will change how COVID is reported. They will distinguish between being admitted DUE to Covid vs admitted WITH Covid. I think they are at least a year late as the blurring of that distinction certainly fuels confusion, as well as conspiracy talk.
I personally will be very interested in seeing the new more detailed data.
They started doing that here this week - and it is close to 50% of the total "covid" cases in hospitals being admitted for something else and coincidentally testing positive. We are again in lockdown here so this is infuriating to me. There is no reason why vaxx'd and boosted people need to be locked down. And since every other person here has covid I don't even understand why travel restrictions are still in place. They are basically bankrupting business based on inflated numbers. Starting to sympathize with the conspiracy theorists at this point...6 -
I read this yesterday and it is still lingering with me. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/opinion/omicron-covid-biden.htmlBritain, Stephanie H. Murray points out in The Atlantic, is determined “to ask as little as possible of children,” imposing harsher restrictions on adults so that students can continue to go to school. “Even during the strictest portion of last year’s lockdown, when all pubs and restaurants were closed and sitting on a bench with someone you ran into at the park was illegal, in-person schooling remained available for vulnerable kids and children of essential workers,” she writes.
Americans, by contrast, “have accepted more harm to children in exchange for less harm to adults, often without acknowledging the dilemma or assessing which decisions lead to less overall harm,” The Times’s David Leonhardt writes.
Lamentable.
Well if their parents lose their jobs and homes because businesses are locked down then that won't be great for children either. They are opening in person school here on Monday after an extended break - but many business are still locked down. I personally don't agree with that.
I mean the parents and teachers around here are never happy - they want the schools open, but also an online alternative for those who want it, and also a guarantee that their children won't get Covid.
Covid is everywhere now if you want to guarantee that your children won't be exposed then you'd just have to keep them home. I mean do people have so little faith in the vaccines they are taking, and giving to their children, that they are panicking about school exposures? I don't get it. Your double vaxx'd kid is going to be fine.5 -
I read this yesterday and it is still lingering with me. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/opinion/omicron-covid-biden.htmlBritain, Stephanie H. Murray points out in The Atlantic, is determined “to ask as little as possible of children,” imposing harsher restrictions on adults so that students can continue to go to school. “Even during the strictest portion of last year’s lockdown, when all pubs and restaurants were closed and sitting on a bench with someone you ran into at the park was illegal, in-person schooling remained available for vulnerable kids and children of essential workers,” she writes.
Americans, by contrast, “have accepted more harm to children in exchange for less harm to adults, often without acknowledging the dilemma or assessing which decisions lead to less overall harm,” The Times’s David Leonhardt writes.
Lamentable.
Well if their parents lose their jobs and homes because businesses are locked down then that won't be great for children either. They are opening in person school here on Monday after an extended break - but many business are still locked down. I personally don't agree with that.
I mean the parents and teachers around here are never happy - they want the schools open, but also an online alternative for those who want it, and also a guarantee that their children won't get Covid.
Covid is everywhere now if you want to guarantee that your children won't be exposed then you'd just have to keep them home. I mean do people have so little faith in the vaccines they are taking, and giving to their children, that they are panicking about school exposures? I don't get it. Your double vaxx'd kid is going to be fine.
I agree with you that business closures are bad for everyone. However, the point of the article was more nuanced than that. The point was showing how different public policy makers distribute the weight of the bad impacts differently.3 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Was feeling really good yesterday so I decided to do my Zwift workout for my current 6 week training plan (FTP Builder). I'm already a week behind schedule for my event in May. It felt good and I felt good afterwards, but woke up this morning hacking up a lung and a headache that won't go away and my head feels full of snot again. My wife who had little to no symptoms also woke up feeling crummier than she has since we tested positive and has been in bed most of the morning and is taking a sick day rather than WFH day.
This is also how I'm still feeling almost 3 weeks later. So much fatigue 😩 😪
I tested positive at the end of October and the second week of December was the first week I didn’t need at least one solid 1-2 hour nap a day. Luckily I work from home so I had the flexibility to do that. The fatigue and body aches were unreal. Imagine how bad this could be for someone unvaccinated!
I fortunately never had the body aches. The fatigue isn't too terribly bad but I don't get pretty worn down by the afternoon. Seems to be improving though. I think I overdid it with my training ride the other day...so I'll be curious as to when a good training ride isn't going to leave me blah the next day.4 -
Anyone seen proof that Omicron stays airborne longer than previously thought. I think I saw something on Facebook that particles were still shown to be in the air two hours after an infected person left the area. That would be sort of scary if it was true.1
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SummerSkier wrote: »Anyone seen proof that Omicron stays airborne longer than previously thought. I think I saw something on Facebook that particles were still shown to be in the air two hours after an infected person left the area. That would be sort of scary if it was true.
Interestingly I just read something today that says the opposite - it loses 90% of it's ability to infect within 20 mintues. I'll try to find it.
ETA - it is preliminary and not peer reviewed yet.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.08.22268944v1.full.pdf
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@ChelzFit
I agree there are some that cannot handle the vaccine and I feel badly for those that truly can't or are afraid of having another vaccination after such terrible results from previous a one. My sister still refuses to take a flu shot because of some terrible reactions in the past.
But I wonder how many there really are out of all the people who've refused that have had real issues? How many are afraid of it? How many don't want to be told what to do; their rights are being taken away? How many still think it's all a political farce? Those are the ones that need to make a compromise.
My niece works in her dh's doctor's office and she's relayed stories you wouldn't believe, about just refusing to wear a mask.
IMO there are too many people in this world who feel it's all about them and don't think of the other guy. How about keeping as many people out of the hospital as possible? The hospitals should not have to be making choices about who to turn away or let die or not being able to see emergency patients because they're over worked, understaffed, etc., etc.
In at least some contexts, people who have a true medical contraindication to this vaccination (such as a serious allergy to one of the components) are able to get a medical exemption, not be penalized for being unvaccinated. (Yes, that does add to community risk. That there will be people like this, for any given vaccination, is one reason that herd immunity is important.)
The ones who sincerely believe this is a political farce, or a plot to control us (injectable microchips, or whatever) believe they are absolutely, righteously correct, and that those of us who believe the pandemic is real, and that the vaccine works, are dupes in a plot against us all. They tend to think that masks are dangerous. They see themselves as noble warriors in the good fight. I don't know what fraction of the population is firm in that type of belief, but it is a thing that some think (to be specific, a few people I know do clearly think that). They are not going to compromise.
Personally, I do think it's reasonable to keep increasing the constraints around unvaccinated people, through any legal, moral, ethical approach. It could include legal or social approaches, but I don't have specific suggestions. Quebec's proposed tax is one approach to this sort of thing, but it doesn't apply well in the US because of our different health care structure. The countries in Europe that are limiting access to services (restaurants, gyms, whatever) for the unvaccinated is another example. That won't happen in the US.
I think those who can (medically) be vaccinated should be vaccinated. I think people do have a choice in practice here in the US to not be vaccinated (I may wish it could be otherwise, but I don't see viable mechanisms to change that). I resent the idea that there should be no inconvenient or unpleasant consequences to them for that decision. That's not how choice works in all cases.11 -
Here in Australia access to restaraunts is not limited for unvaccinated people - not sure about gyms since I never go to them
There are some travel restrictions, and you cannot go to most crowded events - large sports events etc and many occupations (police, teachers, interstate truck drivers, all health service employees - that means all, cleaners, admin etc, not just the medical personell) require vaccination as does hospital access for non emergency patients and all visitors to hospital and aged care facilities.
You can get medical exemptions if you cannot have the vaccine due to severe allergy or temporary exemptions due to acute illness.
I know this wouldnt fly in US - but it does here and I am in perfect agreement with same.
You can choose to be unvaccinated but you cant choose to impact others by that choice.8 -
paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia access to restaraunts is not limited for unvaccinated people - not sure about gyms since I never go to them
It is in some parts of the US currently, such as where I live. (Not complaining, just noting it.)2 -
I read this yesterday and it is still lingering with me. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/opinion/omicron-covid-biden.htmlBritain, Stephanie H. Murray points out in The Atlantic, is determined “to ask as little as possible of children,” imposing harsher restrictions on adults so that students can continue to go to school. “Even during the strictest portion of last year’s lockdown, when all pubs and restaurants were closed and sitting on a bench with someone you ran into at the park was illegal, in-person schooling remained available for vulnerable kids and children of essential workers,” she writes.
Americans, by contrast, “have accepted more harm to children in exchange for less harm to adults, often without acknowledging the dilemma or assessing which decisions lead to less overall harm,” The Times’s David Leonhardt writes.
Lamentable.
I mean the parents and teachers around here are never happy - they want the schools open, but also an online alternative for those who want it, and also a guarantee that their children won't get Covid.
Covid is everywhere now if you want to guarantee that your children won't be exposed then you'd just have to keep them home. I mean do people have so little faith in the vaccines they are taking, and giving to their children, that they are panicking about school exposures? I don't get it. Your double vaxx'd kid is going to be fine.
My reading of the piece is that they think closing in person school should be avoided (or a very last resort) as in Europe. I agree with you that at this point lockdowns or closing businesses makes no sense -- I don't think anywhere in the US is even considering that -- but that closing in person school before other options (like closing bars) is bad policy. I'm also against closing in person school and the impression I get (as it was a big issue where I live) is that most parents are too, it's mainly the teachers who were pushing for it.
I just read the Michael Lewis book on the lead up to covid (it's mostly about public health in the US in the years before) and one interesting thing is that they thought closing schools was one of the main things that would prevent spread, but although they didn't go into it I think that may have been less so here for various reasons. Also, once it's clear there's no covid zero and any closure seems like it just postpones things, I think the will to do any of it is gone. At least that's what seems true where I am, so the piece seems somewhat out of date -- a year ago I think it would have been more on point.2 -
Here (Michigan) there are increasing numbers of employers and large-event venues (sports arenas, for one example among others) that are requiring vaccination to attend their site in person. (Documented medical exemptions generally apply.)
In some states, and this is one, the state legislature or more-local governing bodies have attempted to restrict some entities (schools, businesses, etc.) from requiring vaccination, mandating masks, and that sort of thing. I haven't really kept up on the picture, as far as how successful that's been. Not completely successful yet, for sure, though.0 -
Just got off the phone with my sister the Oncologist. Yesterday, she had a meeting with a patient, her family members, and an interpreter. After an hour of going over everything and preparing to begin her chemo, someone in the group mentions how the patient's husband has COVID and that the patient has not gotten her test results back yet. Needless to say, starting chemo yesterday was cancelled and today the patient's positive COVID results came back.
My other sister's husband and two daughters have COVID.
My house is OK as it is me and the cats until hubby flies home from florida on saturday. He is still negative as of today (home test). I am halfway assuming that he will get COVID on the plane despite his masking and that this time next week I will have it as well. Crossing my fingers that I am wrong.17 -
paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia access to restaraunts is not limited for unvaccinated people - not sure about gyms since I never go to them
Unvaccinated people can not eat in restaurants in Queensland.3 -
smithker75 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia access to restaraunts is not limited for unvaccinated people - not sure about gyms since I never go to them
Unvaccinated people can not eat in restaurants in Queensland.
I read that WA is bringing that in soon too.
Not the case in SA where I live - sorry, wasn't aware it was already so in any other states.
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