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SummerSkier wrote: »@kshama2001
@SModa61 I am not sure how accurate the quick tests are if you do not have any symptoms. fingers crossed that hubby is OK and you can visit the elders soon. I agree with 3 or 4 days.
Good point on accuracy with lack of symptoms. But using that concept, I think I recall hearing that if the home quick test does not come up positive, then at that moment in time you are not contagious. Have no idea that is BS, but I heard that referenced a lot in December when we were all trying to see people for the holidays.
As for who I am trying to be careful around, two are my parents, but I also have my grandson, who technically should fair well. But I would hate to be the one that "gives it to him". Daughter is being extremely cautious.
They were saying that about the contagiousness in December but have since reversed course and now say it can be contagious for two days before testing positive on a rapid test. As far as when to test, the article I read said test at five days after exposure because before then it’s more likely to be a false negative. So, we’re back at basically guessing!1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »@kshama2001
@SModa61 I am not sure how accurate the quick tests are if you do not have any symptoms. fingers crossed that hubby is OK and you can visit the elders soon. I agree with 3 or 4 days.
Good point on accuracy with lack of symptoms. But using that concept, I think I recall hearing that if the home quick test does not come up positive, then at that moment in time you are not contagious. Have no idea that is BS, but I heard that referenced a lot in December when we were all trying to see people for the holidays.
As for who I am trying to be careful around, two are my parents, but I also have my grandson, who technically should fair well. But I would hate to be the one that "gives it to him". Daughter is being extremely cautious.
They were saying that about the contagiousness in December but have since reversed course and now say it can be contagious for two days before testing positive on a rapid test. As far as when to test, the article I read said test at five days after exposure because before then it’s more likely to be a false negative. So, we’re back at basically guessing!
I would not use a precious RAT if he is asymptomatic because RATs are less accurate (more likely to give false negative) in the absence of symptoms. I would save your RATs for right before a visit with a vulnerable person or when symptoms are present. FWIW, the UK has deployed RATs much more extensively during the omicron wave than the US, and much of the data about the relationship between period of contagion vs. period of RAT detectable comes from there.
I'm in a similar situation with DH taking 2 work trips this coming week and early Feb. We plan to keep apart 5 days following his return home. If no symptoms after 5 days, we plan to stop isolating. If we have more RATs by then, we will confirm with a test at day 5. Neither of us have had covid yet, at least that we know of. And I really do not want it (even though as a healthy boosted person I'm likely to have a mild case). One daughter had it twice (2020 pre-vaccine & 2021 post-vaccine/pre-boost) and another daughter had a breakthrough (2021 pre-boost). Both recovered fine with no lingering effects, but both felt really sick for 7 days.
DH's work normally relies heavily on travel, and in a way he wants to return to the old normal and in a way he dreads being exposed and bringing it home. The holidays were really hard on my octogenarian parents who felt isolated. They paid the highest price for the socializing the daughters did, not the daughters. Even the one who got sick felt like the timing of it was advantageous for her. I mean, sure, she felt really sick, but she was not alone on Christmas and it didn't wreck any of her social plans. It was almost 80F here and we were together outside and ate a fabulous (if I may say so) meal outside. Even outside, it was too much risk for the octogenarians to be around an actively sick person. I am hearing friends that age saying that they are reevaluating their risk tolerance for 2022 because the isolation is becoming increasingly difficult to bear. Sometimes you have to go with the least bad of all bad options.6 -
cmriverside wrote: »Personally, I do think it's reasonable to keep increasing the constraints around unvaccinated people, through any legal, moral, ethical approach. It could include legal or social approaches, but I don't have specific suggestions. Quebec's proposed tax is one approach to this sort of thing, but it doesn't apply well in the US because of our different health care structure. The countries in Europe that are limiting access to services (restaurants, gyms, whatever) for the unvaccinated is another example. That won't happen in the US
That is exactly the rules in Washington State.
Yeah, the rules in Chicago too. There were various places (some restaurants and bars, all theaters and music venues I am aware of, my gym, some workplaces) that were requiring either vaccines or (in some cases) either the vaccine or a negative test, but as of 1/3, proof of vaccine has been required for restaurants, bars, gyms, etc.1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »@kshama2001
@SModa61 I am not sure how accurate the quick tests are if you do not have any symptoms. fingers crossed that hubby is OK and you can visit the elders soon. I agree with 3 or 4 days.
Good point on accuracy with lack of symptoms. But using that concept, I think I recall hearing that if the home quick test does not come up positive, then at that moment in time you are not contagious. Have no idea that is BS, but I heard that referenced a lot in December when we were all trying to see people for the holidays.
As for who I am trying to be careful around, two are my parents, but I also have my grandson, who technically should fair well. But I would hate to be the one that "gives it to him". Daughter is being extremely cautious.
They were saying that about the contagiousness in December but have since reversed course and now say it can be contagious for two days before testing positive on a rapid test. As far as when to test, the article I read said test at five days after exposure because before then it’s more likely to be a false negative. So, we’re back at basically guessing!
Yeah, that's what I've read too. I would test when symptomatic (since apparently it tends to be more reliable when one has symptoms and the symptoms are so similar to a cold or the like) or if not, I'd wait as long as possible before the people you are trying to protect.
I've also heard that planes aren't really that risky given something to do with how the air is circulated (beats me) vs some other venues. Good luck to him in not getting a positive!0 -
cmriverside wrote: »Personally, I do think it's reasonable to keep increasing the constraints around unvaccinated people, through any legal, moral, ethical approach. It could include legal or social approaches, but I don't have specific suggestions. Quebec's proposed tax is one approach to this sort of thing, but it doesn't apply well in the US because of our different health care structure. The countries in Europe that are limiting access to services (restaurants, gyms, whatever) for the unvaccinated is another example. That won't happen in the US
That is exactly the rules in Washington State.
Yeah, the rules in Chicago too. There were various places (some restaurants and bars, all theaters and music venues I am aware of, my gym, some workplaces) that were requiring either vaccines or (in some cases) either the vaccine or a negative test, but as of 1/3, proof of vaccine has been required for restaurants, bars, gyms, etc.
Also here in NYC but not in the neighboring towns and municipalities. In NYC, you cannot go into any indoor place without a vax card. Also, everyone who works in the private sector has to be vaccinated. Now there is a black market for vax cards. Crazy.1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »allother94 wrote: »@allother94,
It's mind boggling that people are still not choosing to get vaccinated. They must be seeing all of this play out?? But instead of turning unvaccinated people away at the hospitals, why don't they turn them away everywhere else? Maybe it'd force their hand a bit more. JMO
They say the problem with the spread is overcrowding hospitals. If that really is the problem, then that is what they should address…
When someone says "They say" or "They should", without further amplifying, I wonder who the heck "they" are.
So, who is the "they" who should address the overcrowding of hospitals, and how should they do that, specifically - what are your ideas?
I suspect that public health authorities and governmental officials - here in the US, dunno where you are - believe that they are trying to address the overcrowding of hospitals by forming support teams of military members and sending them out to help staff hospitals, helping to build/equip auxiliary facilities where staffing is less the constraint, trying to limit exposures in less economically vital sectors or in less economically destructive ways (mask mandates, vaccination requirements, limiting crowding in social situations, etc.) . . . and telling people who aren't vaccinated to get vaccinated so they stop being the overwhelmingly largest group now overcrowding the hospitals.
If it's hospital administrators who are "they", I suspect they believe they're trying to address the overcrowding by converting wards that aren't usually infectious disease wards to wards for Covid patients, hiring traveling staff at exorbitant pay rates, eliminating elective surgeries (which aren't all trivial things!) to free up staff and space, requiring staff to be vaccinated to avoid further short-staffing from more-rampant sickness and the resulting absenteeism among staff, rededicating administrative staff to things like cleaning duties (yes, that's happening, in some places near me), and much more.
What are your ideas for what more "they" should do, to address hospital overcrowding, that's actionable and realistic?
Shouldn't "we" do our part, by getting vaccinated, avoiding truly unnecessary ER visits, and that sort of thing?
My suggestion is that hospital administrators make a policy that no unvaccinated Covid patients are accepted once the ICU or the hospital as a whole are at 90% capacity. That's generous, tbh... Probably should just be no unvaccinated patients at all (even non-Covid patients).
Edit: Is that specific enough?!rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Here's something that I do not understand... An employee where I work was sick and took a home test on Fri., Came up positive. He was very sick on Mon. and went to the Dr. where he tested positive and was given a note saying he can go back to work in 3 days. When did the standard become 3 days?! It is 5 days for positive when asymptomatic, but this person is NOT asymptomatic at all. WTF?!
I can do you one better. California, due to nursing shortages, has just said that nurses who test positive can still work if they wear masks. Not nurses who are EXPOSED, nurses who actually have covid. Caring for patients, who might or might not have covid.
I agree with this.
And it is true. Doctors are also working with Covid because otherwise there won’t be any left to work. What alternative is there?
Yes, my sister is an RN and has had symptoms for the last week. She thought she maybe something else, but was going to go in to work again last night despite still feeling sick (but not bad enough to stay home, I guess). Anyway, she got a rapid test and came up positive... So now they tell her she can go back to work on Sun. How did we go from 2 weeks to 10 days to 3 days even if symptomatic?
Would it be better to empty the hospital of most nurses? That's the stage we're at, in many parts of the US, unfortunately. No good decision available, all of the actually achievable ones utterly stink.
Yes, and empty them of unvaccinated patients too.2 -
SummerSkier wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »@kshama2001
@SModa61 I am not sure how accurate the quick tests are if you do not have any symptoms. fingers crossed that hubby is OK and you can visit the elders soon. I agree with 3 or 4 days.
Good point on accuracy with lack of symptoms. But using that concept, I think I recall hearing that if the home quick test does not come up positive, then at that moment in time you are not contagious. Have no idea that is BS, but I heard that referenced a lot in December when we were all trying to see people for the holidays.
As for who I am trying to be careful around, two are my parents, but I also have my grandson, who technically should fair well. But I would hate to be the one that "gives it to him". Daughter is being extremely cautious.
I am not sure that is true. It may be part of the reason why this variant has spread so quickly is people who were nonsymptomatic and tested negative felt like they could go to get together’s safely.
I remember people in this group discussing doing so (we even did it for our holiday). I just did a quick internet search and "holiday" advice was to test yourself just before a get together. In that search, the first 10 hits included ones from Harvard Medical; Bloomerberg new; ABC, CBS & Fox news; NY Times, a local city newspaper and a major radio station. On another search, the CDC even mentioned it.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211222/cdc-director-covid-test-holidays
So roughly two weeks ago, we were being told that was the safe way to get together. Was it bad advice? I have no idea. I'm doing the best that I can.1 -
Lots of advice and I do appreciate all the responses. I think my plan of attack with still "waste" one test on my husband either Wednesday or Thursday, even is he is asymptomatic. Then the following weekend, I am have my parents, DD, SIL and grandson over to celebrate parents 85 & 87 birthdays as well as grandson's 2nd. I will likely use up two more tests on my husband and myself as a precaution that morning. We'll see how that all shakes out.11
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Re air circulation on planes: I am very sensitive to air quality. While it is true that there is great air circulation while the plane is *moving,* when last I flew regularly, 11 years ago, while the plane was on the ground there was a distinct decrease in air quality. Looks like that was still true in 2020:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/how-clean-is-the-air-on-your-airplane-coronavirus-cvd
...That’s why, in addition to good filters, airline cabins also need good passengers. This means everyone onboard should wear a mask.
That’s both because of masks’ proven protective qualities and the fact that HEPA filters and rapid-air circulation don’t work at max effectiveness until the plane is airborne. This means that the sometimes-interminable period between grabbing your seat and takeoff (or between landing and disembarking) is when you’re most likely to inhale a cloud of air from a person infected with COVID-19.
That stale, warm air you occasionally notice when a plane is on the ground sitting at the gate or idling might mean there’s little circulation through those filters.5 -
Eww cloud of covid. That was a disturbing mental image. 😳 🤢😷5
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kshama2001 wrote: »Re air circulation on planes: I am very sensitive to air quality. While it is true that there is great air circulation while the plane is *moving,* when last I flew regularly, 11 years ago, while the plane was on the ground there was a distinct decrease in air quality. Looks like that was still true in 2020:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/how-clean-is-the-air-on-your-airplane-coronavirus-cvd
...That’s why, in addition to good filters, airline cabins also need good passengers. This means everyone onboard should wear a mask.
That’s both because of masks’ proven protective qualities and the fact that HEPA filters and rapid-air circulation don’t work at max effectiveness until the plane is airborne. This means that the sometimes-interminable period between grabbing your seat and takeoff (or between landing and disembarking) is when you’re most likely to inhale a cloud of air from a person infected with COVID-19.
That stale, warm air you occasionally notice when a plane is on the ground sitting at the gate or idling might mean there’s little circulation through those filters.
Your discussion is causing me to remember something from early on in the pandemic. Back in the beginning, weren't they "idling" the plane to keep those filters going? If so, I am not noticing that now.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Re air circulation on planes: I am very sensitive to air quality. While it is true that there is great air circulation while the plane is *moving,* when last I flew regularly, 11 years ago, while the plane was on the ground there was a distinct decrease in air quality. Looks like that was still true in 2020:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/how-clean-is-the-air-on-your-airplane-coronavirus-cvd
...That’s why, in addition to good filters, airline cabins also need good passengers. This means everyone onboard should wear a mask.
That’s both because of masks’ proven protective qualities and the fact that HEPA filters and rapid-air circulation don’t work at max effectiveness until the plane is airborne. This means that the sometimes-interminable period between grabbing your seat and takeoff (or between landing and disembarking) is when you’re most likely to inhale a cloud of air from a person infected with COVID-19.
That stale, warm air you occasionally notice when a plane is on the ground sitting at the gate or idling might mean there’s little circulation through those filters.
Your discussion is causing me to remember something from early on in the pandemic. Back in the beginning, weren't they "idling" the plane to keep those filters going? If so, I am not noticing that now.
I haven't been on a plane since I left FL for good to move back to MA
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kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Re air circulation on planes: I am very sensitive to air quality. While it is true that there is great air circulation while the plane is *moving,* when last I flew regularly, 11 years ago, while the plane was on the ground there was a distinct decrease in air quality. Looks like that was still true in 2020:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/how-clean-is-the-air-on-your-airplane-coronavirus-cvd
...That’s why, in addition to good filters, airline cabins also need good passengers. This means everyone onboard should wear a mask.
That’s both because of masks’ proven protective qualities and the fact that HEPA filters and rapid-air circulation don’t work at max effectiveness until the plane is airborne. This means that the sometimes-interminable period between grabbing your seat and takeoff (or between landing and disembarking) is when you’re most likely to inhale a cloud of air from a person infected with COVID-19.
That stale, warm air you occasionally notice when a plane is on the ground sitting at the gate or idling might mean there’s little circulation through those filters.
Your discussion is causing me to remember something from early on in the pandemic. Back in the beginning, weren't they "idling" the plane to keep those filters going? If so, I am not noticing that now.
I haven't been on a plane since I left FL for good to move back to MA
We're at that age that we are thinking estate planning and Florida is friendlier in that regard. Plus, hubby would fish 365 days a year if he could.
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kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Re air circulation on planes: I am very sensitive to air quality. While it is true that there is great air circulation while the plane is *moving,* when last I flew regularly, 11 years ago, while the plane was on the ground there was a distinct decrease in air quality. Looks like that was still true in 2020:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/how-clean-is-the-air-on-your-airplane-coronavirus-cvd
...That’s why, in addition to good filters, airline cabins also need good passengers. This means everyone onboard should wear a mask.
That’s both because of masks’ proven protective qualities and the fact that HEPA filters and rapid-air circulation don’t work at max effectiveness until the plane is airborne. This means that the sometimes-interminable period between grabbing your seat and takeoff (or between landing and disembarking) is when you’re most likely to inhale a cloud of air from a person infected with COVID-19.
That stale, warm air you occasionally notice when a plane is on the ground sitting at the gate or idling might mean there’s little circulation through those filters.
Your discussion is causing me to remember something from early on in the pandemic. Back in the beginning, weren't they "idling" the plane to keep those filters going? If so, I am not noticing that now.
I haven't been on a plane since I left FL for good to move back to MA
We're at that age that we are thinking estate planning and Florida is friendlier in that regard. Plus, hubby would fish 365 days a year if he could.
My partner would go to the golf driving range 365 days a year if he could
During lockdown, he bought a net to hit balls in the backyard, and is trying to figure out how heat the barn enough to be able to hit balls into the net out there when it is too cold for the range.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »allother94 wrote: »@allother94,
It's mind boggling that people are still not choosing to get vaccinated. They must be seeing all of this play out?? But instead of turning unvaccinated people away at the hospitals, why don't they turn them away everywhere else? Maybe it'd force their hand a bit more. JMO
They say the problem with the spread is overcrowding hospitals. If that really is the problem, then that is what they should address…
When someone says "They say" or "They should", without further amplifying, I wonder who the heck "they" are.
So, who is the "they" who should address the overcrowding of hospitals, and how should they do that, specifically - what are your ideas?
I suspect that public health authorities and governmental officials - here in the US, dunno where you are - believe that they are trying to address the overcrowding of hospitals by forming support teams of military members and sending them out to help staff hospitals, helping to build/equip auxiliary facilities where staffing is less the constraint, trying to limit exposures in less economically vital sectors or in less economically destructive ways (mask mandates, vaccination requirements, limiting crowding in social situations, etc.) . . . and telling people who aren't vaccinated to get vaccinated so they stop being the overwhelmingly largest group now overcrowding the hospitals.
If it's hospital administrators who are "they", I suspect they believe they're trying to address the overcrowding by converting wards that aren't usually infectious disease wards to wards for Covid patients, hiring traveling staff at exorbitant pay rates, eliminating elective surgeries (which aren't all trivial things!) to free up staff and space, requiring staff to be vaccinated to avoid further short-staffing from more-rampant sickness and the resulting absenteeism among staff, rededicating administrative staff to things like cleaning duties (yes, that's happening, in some places near me), and much more.
What are your ideas for what more "they" should do, to address hospital overcrowding, that's actionable and realistic?
Shouldn't "we" do our part, by getting vaccinated, avoiding truly unnecessary ER visits, and that sort of thing?
My suggestion is that hospital administrators make a policy that no unvaccinated Covid patients are accepted once the ICU or the hospital as a whole are at 90% capacity. That's generous, tbh... Probably should just be no unvaccinated patients at all (even non-Covid patients).
Edit: Is that specific enough?!rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Here's something that I do not understand... An employee where I work was sick and took a home test on Fri., Came up positive. He was very sick on Mon. and went to the Dr. where he tested positive and was given a note saying he can go back to work in 3 days. When did the standard become 3 days?! It is 5 days for positive when asymptomatic, but this person is NOT asymptomatic at all. WTF?!
I can do you one better. California, due to nursing shortages, has just said that nurses who test positive can still work if they wear masks. Not nurses who are EXPOSED, nurses who actually have covid. Caring for patients, who might or might not have covid.
I agree with this.
And it is true. Doctors are also working with Covid because otherwise there won’t be any left to work. What alternative is there?
Yes, my sister is an RN and has had symptoms for the last week. She thought she maybe something else, but was going to go in to work again last night despite still feeling sick (but not bad enough to stay home, I guess). Anyway, she got a rapid test and came up positive... So now they tell her she can go back to work on Sun. How did we go from 2 weeks to 10 days to 3 days even if symptomatic?
Three days isn't long enough, especially if still experiencing symptoms...but the 2 weeks originally was out of an abundance, abundance, abundance of caution because we just didn't know anything. The science is now showing that it's actually the -1 and -2 days before symptomatic that you are most contagious which jives pretty good with other viruses. I think the current CDC guidance of 5 days after symptoms is reasonable so long as you aren't still symptomatic.
My office was originally adopting the CDC guidance as it is right now but backtracked when cases exploded at work and have continued to do so throughout the month. They went back to the 14 day quarantine protocol that was put in place at the beginning of the pandemic...problem is that there are a lot of people right now sitting at home who aren't the least bit ill as their symptoms passed within a few days and there's hardly anyone manning the offices.
I would be one of those people. I started being symptomatic on Wednesday evening January 5th and had what felt like a bad head cold on Thursday and Friday. Most of those symptoms cleared up by Saturday other than a bit of lethargy. We finally received our at home tests we ordered on that Saturday and my whole family popped. My youngest and I had the worst of it but it only lasted a couple of days...my wife and oldest had no symptoms at all other than a runny nose.
Because of my work protocols, I was obviously out while symptomatic, but also out all of last week and this week. IMO, staying home last week was abundantly cautious. This week just feels silly because I'm completely fine and tested negative on a RAT last week. If I feel fine and test negative I don't see any purpose in not going to work at this point.
Three days is a bit short, but I also understand the conundrum HC workers are in right now. 14 days is way overkill and it was really only a doable thing because everything was shut down and disrupted anyway...14 days now while trying to keep everything moving is extremely disruptive and unproductive. We have 20 people in my office currently at home, most of whom are like me and no longer ill.7 -
I think our Australian rule of 7 days isolation is about right - recently reduced from 10.
If you are asymptomatic on day 6.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Re air circulation on planes: I am very sensitive to air quality. While it is true that there is great air circulation while the plane is *moving,* when last I flew regularly, 11 years ago, while the plane was on the ground there was a distinct decrease in air quality. Looks like that was still true in 2020:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/how-clean-is-the-air-on-your-airplane-coronavirus-cvd
...That’s why, in addition to good filters, airline cabins also need good passengers. This means everyone onboard should wear a mask.
That’s both because of masks’ proven protective qualities and the fact that HEPA filters and rapid-air circulation don’t work at max effectiveness until the plane is airborne. This means that the sometimes-interminable period between grabbing your seat and takeoff (or between landing and disembarking) is when you’re most likely to inhale a cloud of air from a person infected with COVID-19.
That stale, warm air you occasionally notice when a plane is on the ground sitting at the gate or idling might mean there’s little circulation through those filters.
Your discussion is causing me to remember something from early on in the pandemic. Back in the beginning, weren't they "idling" the plane to keep those filters going? If so, I am not noticing that now.
I haven't been on a plane since I left FL for good to move back to MA
We're at that age that we are thinking estate planning and Florida is friendlier in that regard. Plus, hubby would fish 365 days a year if he could.
My partner would go to the golf driving range 365 days a year if he could
During lockdown, he bought a net to hit balls in the backyard, and is trying to figure out how heat the barn enough to be able to hit balls into the net out there when it is too cold for the range.
During the nutty year, we downsized into a townhouse on a golf course. We are on the ninth hole, next to the putting green and driving range. Neither of us golf.......
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During the nutty year, we downsized into a townhouse on a golf course. We are on the ninth hole, next to the putting green and driving range. Neither of us golf.......
good luck with the barn
My brother lives in Arizona in a beautiful house overlooking a golf course. He and his wife both play golf, but they can't afford to play on the course where they live. Still, it's fun to watch others play.
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When our kids were young we lived along the golf course, along one of the longest driving holes. Of course, we had broken windows & got lots of unclaimed golf balls. They had a golf ball stand instead of lemonade, lol.3
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@spiriteagle99 @retiredandlovingit Our unit is an interior unit and behind our cluster is a berm topped with white pines that separates us from the putting green. As for the ninth hole, there is another long group of pines which are trimmed at the bottom to see under, but full at top for rogue balls. Since august when we bought, our unit has not been hit by one ball, but the end unit next to us has as it is not fully behind the pines and exposed to the tee off. As for the driving range, since the driving is not used off season, the cats are loving being harness walked up that hill . There is brush along the sides with lots of exciting critters.2
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After almost three years of being *so* gods-damn careful, I've got Omnicron. I'm vaxxed and boosted; I have mild symptoms and just tired all the time. My workplace mandates isolation for five days, complete masking for five when reporting to work; no negative test required. I hope my kids (also vaxxed, one boosted) can manage to avoid this.27
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After almost three years of being *so* gods-damn careful, I've got Omnicron. I'm vaxxed and boosted; I have mild symptoms and just tired all the time. My workplace mandates isolation for five days, complete masking for five when reporting to work; no negative test required. I hope my kids (also vaxxed, one boosted) can manage to avoid this.
Wishing you a speedy recovery and I hope your kids do manage to avoid it. I am hearing of household where that is the case (my younger sister is a case in point). With the way it seems everyone is catching COVID, I figure my turn will come soon.
On another note, I hope you don't mind me teasing you, but if you have been avoiding COVID for three years, then we need to put your clairvoyance to good use! (I get to cheat, my almost 2 year old grandson was born Jan 31, 2020, just as COVID was becoming a "thing".)7 -
After almost three years of being *so* gods-damn careful, I've got Omnicron. I'm vaxxed and boosted; I have mild symptoms and just tired all the time. My workplace mandates isolation for five days, complete masking for five when reporting to work; no negative test required. I hope my kids (also vaxxed, one boosted) can manage to avoid this.
Nobody is going to avoid Omicron unless they literally do absolutely nothing and have no contact with anyone. My whole family had it earlier this month and I'm still in quarantine for work due to their very strict protocols. We're all vaxed and my wife and I are boosted. We have indoor mask mandates here and always comply and we all still got it.9 -
I posted this link on another thread, but I'm going to repost it here in case it may be helpful to some.
It's a paper written by medical doctors (with cardiology and sports med credentials), with this aim:The primary purpose of this topic is to provide guidance about individual return to play or strenuous activity following infection with COVID-19, with a focus on older adolescent (eg, high school) athletes, recreational and elite adult athletes, tactical personnel, and heavy occupational laborers.
I was interested primarily because some of my past coaching education still makes me curious about things like that, but I think active people who've recently had Covid (or have active family members who have) might get some usefulness from it.
https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-return-to-play-or-strenuous-activity-following-infection#H135764167
It's written in a dry research study kind of way, not like a lively journalistic report, but it's not super-technical IMO beyond that, so should be accessible.3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »After almost three years of being *so* gods-damn careful, I've got Omnicron. I'm vaxxed and boosted; I have mild symptoms and just tired all the time. My workplace mandates isolation for five days, complete masking for five when reporting to work; no negative test required. I hope my kids (also vaxxed, one boosted) can manage to avoid this.
Nobody is going to avoid Omicron unless they literally do absolutely nothing and have no contact with anyone. My whole family had it earlier this month and I'm still in quarantine for work due to their very strict protocols. We're all vaxed and my wife and I are boosted. We have indoor mask mandates here and always comply and we all still got it.
Sorry if you already answered this, but having been so conscientious, can you narrow down your/your kids' possible exposures?1 -
I'm going to a wake tomorrow, and find myself pretty anxious about it. I'm going to double-mask and not stay very long, but funerals/wakes tend to be super-spreader events.
My husband and I are vaxxed/boosted, but we still do not want even a mild case.
If I test positive, I'm out of work for a minimum of 5 days. This is an extremely busy time at my job, and what I can do from home is limited. It would be a burden on my co-workers if I were not there.
My husband is a freelancer/contractor. If he tests positive, he is also out of work, but he would not get paid for his lost time, so it's a financial burden for us if he doesn't work.11 -
For those in the U.S., have you ordered your free test kits from the government yet?
We'll see how long they take to arrive...it is through the U.S. Postal Service, after all...2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »After almost three years of being *so* gods-damn careful, I've got Omnicron. I'm vaxxed and boosted; I have mild symptoms and just tired all the time. My workplace mandates isolation for five days, complete masking for five when reporting to work; no negative test required. I hope my kids (also vaxxed, one boosted) can manage to avoid this.
Nobody is going to avoid Omicron unless they literally do absolutely nothing and have no contact with anyone. My whole family had it earlier this month and I'm still in quarantine for work due to their very strict protocols. We're all vaxed and my wife and I are boosted. We have indoor mask mandates here and always comply and we all still got it.
I thought that too but somehow managed to avoid getting it when my family had it. I wish I did test positive, at this point I just want to get it over with. Given my extensive exposures I am assuming that I am immune due to either previous exposure or vaccine response. I just wish I had that confirmation of being post infection so I can get on with normal life and go on a freaking vacation without worrying about getting stuck there with a positive test.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I'm going to a wake tomorrow, and find myself pretty anxious about it. I'm going to double-mask and not stay very long, but funerals/wakes tend to be super-spreader events.
My husband and I are vaxxed/boosted, but we still do not want even a mild case.
If I test positive, I'm out of work for a minimum of 5 days. This is an extremely busy time at my job, and what I can do from home is limited. It would be a burden on my co-workers if I were not there.
My husband is a freelancer/contractor. If he tests positive, he is also out of work, but he would not get paid for his lost time, so it's a financial burden for us if he doesn't work.
Honestly at this point given how obiquitous it is I would just not test and keep on doing what I needed to do.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »After almost three years of being *so* gods-damn careful, I've got Omnicron. I'm vaxxed and boosted; I have mild symptoms and just tired all the time. My workplace mandates isolation for five days, complete masking for five when reporting to work; no negative test required. I hope my kids (also vaxxed, one boosted) can manage to avoid this.
Nobody is going to avoid Omicron unless they literally do absolutely nothing and have no contact with anyone. My whole family had it earlier this month and I'm still in quarantine for work due to their very strict protocols. We're all vaxed and my wife and I are boosted. We have indoor mask mandates here and always comply and we all still got it.
Sorry if you already answered this, but having been so conscientious, can you narrow down your/your kids' possible exposures?
@ahoy_m8 A few viable possibilities.
Possibility 1, I could have been exposed at my office. We currently have 20 people out of 130 out with COVID; however, since December 22 I've only been in my office for 4 days due to taking time off with the holidays and having to work from home more with my kids out through the new year, and I have my own office space and with the holidays, not many people were really around and I was usually the only one their in my entire annex. Not very probable with my wife as she works in an office of 8 and nobody has had it or at least hasn't had it with symptoms.
Possibility 2, we went to Carlsbad, NM over New Years for a thing called Christmas on the Pecos which is a river float to look at lights on NYE and we drove home New Years Day. We have mask mandates in NM, but that area is very much of a certain persuasion and nobody wears masks...exposures would have been the 3 restaurants we ate at and the hotel for one night, and the river trip which was outdoors obviously.
Possibility 3, the kids picked it up when they went back to school after the New Year...but the timeline doesn't really jive as they went back on the 4th. My wife started to be symptomatic on the 5th and I on the 6th and the boys on the 7th. But the schools have been hit hard, so much so that the state is calling in qualified National Guard to substitute teach and perform administrative duties.
Possibility 4, Just being out in our day to day. We are careful, but we are not hermits. There is good mask compliance and vaccine compliance in the ABQ metro area, but people are out and about and everything is open...could have just been out grocery shopping, or the museum we went to on Christmas Eve day or any of the other things we do in our day to day.
I lean towards number 2 as that was really the only place where we were doing what we were supposed to be doing, but literally nobody else in the whole town was. We were only there for NYE and left the morning of NYD, but we were in a few very crowded areas the short time we were there as restaurants were crowded and the que for the boat ride and then the boat ride itself. The timing seems to jive with this possibility as well, more so than others.
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