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  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
    edited February 2022
    Along the lines of supply chain issues and empty shelves, is anyone noticing the price increases at restaurants? We are still doing take out, or eating outdoors if it's open (no 4 walled tents). Some of our favorite places, like a pub with burgers, tots and good beer are now no longer options. What used to be a $7, then $10 burger is now $17. It is still a mediocre pub burger. At $7 or $10, it might be worth it for us to enjoy sitting outside in their beer garden on a lovely afternoon. At this point, for two people, we can grill our own burgers and buy our own beer. Of course, that means doing the work and being at home, which was the whole point of looking for somewhere to go. I just read in the Sunday NYT about the prices of everything that restaurants are dealing with. I'm not sure how they will survive if the food is the same, but prices increase 30%. :(
    I have a friend who owns a Mediterranean restaurant. We stopped there yesterday for takeout and had a long catch-up with him and he said he is having to raise prices by 30% because his wife, who handles the books, pointed out that he is actually losing money with every sale at present. The price increase is entirely because of the increase in the price of ingredients. His staff is just him, wife and daughters, and one extra cook who comes in sometimes so he can have a day off.

    He has a fairly flexible menu and does a lot of last minute purchasing by just running next door to Kroger as opposed to wholesale buying so he is seeing higher costs than a more efficient operation.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    edited February 2022
    Along the lines of supply chain issues and empty shelves, is anyone noticing the price increases at restaurants? We are still doing take out, or eating outdoors if it's open (no 4 walled tents). Some of our favorite places, like a pub with burgers, tots and good beer are now no longer options. What used to be a $7, then $10 burger is now $17. It is still a mediocre pub burger. At $7 or $10, it might be worth it for us to enjoy sitting outside in their beer garden on a lovely afternoon. At this point, for two people, we can grill our own burgers and buy our own beer. Of course, that means doing the work and being at home, which was the whole point of looking for somewhere to go. I just read in the Sunday NYT about the prices of everything that restaurants are dealing with. I'm not sure how they will survive if the food is the same, but prices increase 30%. :(



    I can't imagine that you could get a burger anywhere around here for $7-10 even before the pandemic. How did they even make money on that after overhead and staff? I would say $17 would be a pretty average price for a burger & fries at a pub. Minimum wage for servers just went up to $15 per hour here in January, so I imagine with that and pandemic losses prices will probably go up.

    I expect to pay up to about $80 for an average pub meal for me and my husband, with tax and tip, and wine or beer. If it goes up much more than that I would probably cut back to twice a month (we go about once a week now.) I am in Ontario, so I guess depends on your location.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Along the lines of supply chain issues and empty shelves, is anyone noticing the price increases at restaurants? We are still doing take out, or eating outdoors if it's open (no 4 walled tents). Some of our favorite places, like a pub with burgers, tots and good beer are now no longer options. What used to be a $7, then $10 burger is now $17. It is still a mediocre pub burger. At $7 or $10, it might be worth it for us to enjoy sitting outside in their beer garden on a lovely afternoon. At this point, for two people, we can grill our own burgers and buy our own beer. Of course, that means doing the work and being at home, which was the whole point of looking for somewhere to go. I just read in the Sunday NYT about the prices of everything that restaurants are dealing with. I'm not sure how they will survive if the food is the same, but prices increase 30%. :(

    I haven't noticed that big of a jump anywhere here yet, at least for our weekly take out pizza or the hole in the wall teriyaki chicken joint I like for lunch once per week...but we're still pretty backwards when it comes to wages for service people at restaurants. We're still at the federal minimum of $2.13/hr plus tips (except in Santa Fe where eating out is more expensive)...I'm 47, and that's the same rate as when I waited tables in my early 20s. I think a lot of places are increasing wages either on their own or by state law to keep employees...and then couple that with supply chain issues...

    My wife and I really don't eat out much...date night once a month or two and we have 3 or 4 places we really like and they are on the pricier end of the spectrum as it is. We have one scheduled for next weekend so I'll be curious if I notice anything...but haven't noticed much change with our regulars like Village Pizza and Teriyaki Chicken in Foil.

    $2.13? is this a typo?
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Along the lines of supply chain issues and empty shelves, is anyone noticing the price increases at restaurants? We are still doing take out, or eating outdoors if it's open (no 4 walled tents). Some of our favorite places, like a pub with burgers, tots and good beer are now no longer options. What used to be a $7, then $10 burger is now $17. It is still a mediocre pub burger. At $7 or $10, it might be worth it for us to enjoy sitting outside in their beer garden on a lovely afternoon. At this point, for two people, we can grill our own burgers and buy our own beer. Of course, that means doing the work and being at home, which was the whole point of looking for somewhere to go. I just read in the Sunday NYT about the prices of everything that restaurants are dealing with. I'm not sure how they will survive if the food is the same, but prices increase 30%. :(

    I haven't noticed that big of a jump anywhere here yet, at least for our weekly take out pizza or the hole in the wall teriyaki chicken joint I like for lunch once per week...but we're still pretty backwards when it comes to wages for service people at restaurants. We're still at the federal minimum of $2.13/hr plus tips (except in Santa Fe where eating out is more expensive)...I'm 47, and that's the same rate as when I waited tables in my early 20s. I think a lot of places are increasing wages either on their own or by state law to keep employees...and then couple that with supply chain issues...

    My wife and I really don't eat out much...date night once a month or two and we have 3 or 4 places we really like and they are on the pricier end of the spectrum as it is. We have one scheduled for next weekend so I'll be curious if I notice anything...but haven't noticed much change with our regulars like Village Pizza and Teriyaki Chicken in Foil.

    $2.13? is this a typo?

    Nope! Tip wage hasn’t gone up since I was a waitress in high school thirty years ago.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Along the lines of supply chain issues and empty shelves, is anyone noticing the price increases at restaurants? We are still doing take out, or eating outdoors if it's open (no 4 walled tents). Some of our favorite places, like a pub with burgers, tots and good beer are now no longer options. What used to be a $7, then $10 burger is now $17. It is still a mediocre pub burger. At $7 or $10, it might be worth it for us to enjoy sitting outside in their beer garden on a lovely afternoon. At this point, for two people, we can grill our own burgers and buy our own beer. Of course, that means doing the work and being at home, which was the whole point of looking for somewhere to go. I just read in the Sunday NYT about the prices of everything that restaurants are dealing with. I'm not sure how they will survive if the food is the same, but prices increase 30%. :(

    I haven't noticed that big of a jump anywhere here yet, at least for our weekly take out pizza or the hole in the wall teriyaki chicken joint I like for lunch once per week...but we're still pretty backwards when it comes to wages for service people at restaurants. We're still at the federal minimum of $2.13/hr plus tips (except in Santa Fe where eating out is more expensive)...I'm 47, and that's the same rate as when I waited tables in my early 20s. I think a lot of places are increasing wages either on their own or by state law to keep employees...and then couple that with supply chain issues...

    My wife and I really don't eat out much...date night once a month or two and we have 3 or 4 places we really like and they are on the pricier end of the spectrum as it is. We have one scheduled for next weekend so I'll be curious if I notice anything...but haven't noticed much change with our regulars like Village Pizza and Teriyaki Chicken in Foil.

    $2.13? is this a typo?

    Nope. Many states pay more, but NM is still at $2.13/hr...I believe this legislative session there is a bill that will likely pass to raise it to $2.88/hr for tipped employees.

    It was $2.13 when I waited tables over 25 years ago...this coming change will be the first. The hourly rate plus tips must be equal to the hourly minimum wage of $11.50 per hour. I actually did pretty well for a college student when I waited tables, but I worked in finer dining setting and once I had some tenure made sure I had Friday night shifts, a double on Saturday, and Sunday brunch. One would barely scrape by working at Denny's or something.

    I don't really think it's enough, but relative to many states, NM has a low cost of living. Just as an example, we paid just over $500K for our home four years ago (has since gone up some)...it's over 3,000 sq ft with a pool on an acre of property just outside of Albuquerque. I can see that changing though...we're getting a lot of people moving in from California and Colorado and paying over asking.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    33gail33 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Along the lines of supply chain issues and empty shelves, is anyone noticing the price increases at restaurants? We are still doing take out, or eating outdoors if it's open (no 4 walled tents). Some of our favorite places, like a pub with burgers, tots and good beer are now no longer options. What used to be a $7, then $10 burger is now $17. It is still a mediocre pub burger. At $7 or $10, it might be worth it for us to enjoy sitting outside in their beer garden on a lovely afternoon. At this point, for two people, we can grill our own burgers and buy our own beer. Of course, that means doing the work and being at home, which was the whole point of looking for somewhere to go. I just read in the Sunday NYT about the prices of everything that restaurants are dealing with. I'm not sure how they will survive if the food is the same, but prices increase 30%. :(

    I haven't noticed that big of a jump anywhere here yet, at least for our weekly take out pizza or the hole in the wall teriyaki chicken joint I like for lunch once per week...but we're still pretty backwards when it comes to wages for service people at restaurants. We're still at the federal minimum of $2.13/hr plus tips (except in Santa Fe where eating out is more expensive)...I'm 47, and that's the same rate as when I waited tables in my early 20s. I think a lot of places are increasing wages either on their own or by state law to keep employees...and then couple that with supply chain issues...

    My wife and I really don't eat out much...date night once a month or two and we have 3 or 4 places we really like and they are on the pricier end of the spectrum as it is. We have one scheduled for next weekend so I'll be curious if I notice anything...but haven't noticed much change with our regulars like Village Pizza and Teriyaki Chicken in Foil.

    $2.13? is this a typo?

    Nope. Many states pay more, but NM is still at $2.13/hr...I believe this legislative session there is a bill that will likely pass to raise it to $2.88/hr for tipped employees.

    Server wage used to be lower than minimum wage here - $12.55 vs $15 but it just went up to $15 (so equal to minimum wage for everyone else) on January 1st.

    Now I can see why burgers are only $7 in some places.

    Tipping culture is so weird - I wish it would just be eliminated and everyone just get paid a fair wage. My daughter worked in Australia for a year, and almost 10 years ago I think she was making $20 ish as a server - no tipping.

    I honestly haven't seen a $7 burger anywhere here in a very long time other than fast food type of places...combo meal (burger, medium fries, medium drink) at Blake's (local fast food) is $9. There are a few breweries and pubs my wife and I like and the average is $13-$15 for a burger or similar type of grilled sandwich...comes with some kind of side as well obviously. The cheapest sandwich on the menu at the Corrales Bistro is $10 and it's a veggie wrap. The only things in the $7-$10 range are appetizers. This isn't anything new though. I've always thought eating out was pretty expensive. Definitely more of an indulgence kind of thing than regular occurrence for my family.

  • girlwithcurls2
    girlwithcurls2 Posts: 2,293 Member
    Hmm, I didn't even consider the huge differences in minimum wage. Just out of curiosity, I googled my city/state. In Oregon, it's $12.50, but in Portland, where I live, it's $14.75 (it should be, it's outrageous to live in the city now).

    My $7 estimate is probably low. That was probably when we arrived back here, which in some ways feels like just a few years ago, but was actually 14 years ago. But $17 for a mediocre burger with nothing special about it, just some fries on the side is steep, even for here. It's a local brewpub chain with many, many locations, so while the menus vary a little, it's still predictable from one location to another. I guess I was shocked to pay $17.50 for four chicken strips and tots. For someone who doesn't eat out much, I guess it's going to have to be worth it.

    Oh, and last week when I met my sisters for an outdoor happy hour, it was 39F. I couldn't feel my feet by the time we left, but we talk a lot... :blush:
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,393 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »

    Nope. Many states pay more, but NM is still at $2.13/hr...I believe this legislative session there is a bill that will likely pass to raise it to $2.88/hr for tipped employees.

    It was $2.13 when I waited tables over 25 years ago...this coming change will be the first. The hourly rate plus tips must be equal to the hourly minimum wage of $11.50 per hour. I actually did pretty well for a college student when I waited tables, but I worked in finer dining setting and once I had some tenure made sure I had Friday night shifts, a double on Saturday, and Sunday brunch. One would barely scrape by working at Denny's or something.

    Good lord. I made $2.15 an hour (which might have been the "student" minimum wage at the time) when I was 16, non-tipping job. That was in 1979!!!
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,393 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    I have to admit, this plus one of my (40-something y/o) nephews who refuses to wear a mask anywhere (when his wife and adult daughter will) makes me wonder (. . . Ann ducks and gets ready to run . . . ) is non-masking gender biased in some way? Here, I (F) and that woman at checkout were the overwhelming majority of women I saw in there, too.

    Masking is still mandatory here so everyone wears one. What I did notice early on is that, for a lot of women, it became just another fashion accessory, a way to express one's personal style. I also saw quite a few men out and about in heavy duty industrial respirator masks (like for painting or chemical fumes), it seemed to add a certain layer of status to wear work PPE.

    The one person I saw refusing to wear one was indeed male, however. He wasn't claiming a medical exemption, he said he didn't have to wear one because he was vaccinated (which I highly doubt, given his snarly attitude). Vaccination status does not exempt one from mask-wearing here.

    Other than that one fellow, I've never seen anyone without a mask so the genuine medical exemptions must be few and far between.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,526 Member
    Yes I've noticed 'fashion masks' here in Australia too.
    Mandatory for everyone over 12 to wear one in indoor public areas unless medical exemption so I don't notice non compliance by gender.

    I do notice more women getting into the fashion statements with sparkly masks, floral masks, Christmas themed etc.

    Although also a few men with 'male fashion' - football teams, big dogs.

    Huge generalisation, I know - and the vast majority of both genders just wearing plain paper disposables.
  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,460 Member
    Adding to the male/female mask discussion, I cannot imagine wearing a mask with a beard. Especially with any beard more than the razor stubble look.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 37,194 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Needed to run into (big box home improvement chain store) today for something. That place had the lowest fraction of masking I've seen anywhere in ages: Almost no customers (maybe none other than me?) wearing masks; most of the employees had one, but many not properly worn (scrunched down around collar, nose not covered, that sort of thing). Only one staffer (woman staffing the self checkout) looked like she had a well-fitted mask, properly worn.

    I have to admit, this plus one of my (40-something y/o) nephews who refuses to wear a mask anywhere (when his wife and adult daughter will) makes me wonder (. . . Ann ducks and gets ready to run . . . ) is non-masking gender biased in some way? Here, I (F) and that woman at checkout were the overwhelming majority of women I saw in there, too.

    Is masking required? Honestly I am ready to ditch the mask. As soon as the mandate ends here I won't be wearing one.

    No, masking is not required here. Businesses can request it, some do. I'm not sure whether it's legally required in health care settings (doctors & dentists offices, clinics, etc.) but it seems to be universally required by those entities judging from signage/practice.

    That wasn't the point of my post, though.

    Since masking is mostly voluntary here, the use of masks varies quite a bit IME in different stores and settings, even in businesses near each other in the same community. Just observing, not doing statistical analysis, it seems like there are demographic differences amongst the different settings that may be part of the likelihood of mask usage. I was asking if other folks felt gender made a difference in probability of mask usage, when people have individual choice.

    I get that some women don't like masks, will not wear one in every case where they are able to not wear one. Some of my friends are like that.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 37,194 Member
    Haven't seen any comments here about this, but it looks like it's widely publicized, and certainly relevant on this thread, and on the sub-topic of supply chains.

    The Ambassador Bridge, the busiest US/Canada border crossings, has been partially shut down for days by the same type of anti-vaccine protests that have been going on in Ottawa (Canada's capital) and elsewhere in Canada. This crossing normally accounts for around a quarter of trade between US/Canada. Automakers have cut production as a result, and those are not the only impacts.

    I'm sure this will have other effects on already-stressed supply chains, but I don't have any details.

    This is a local-ish reverse-chronological summary.

    https://www.michiganradio.org/news/2022-02-09/ambassador-bridge-remains-closed-trucker-protests-over-canadas-covid-19-restrictions-continue
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Haven't seen any comments here about this, but it looks like it's widely publicized, and certainly relevant on this thread, and on the sub-topic of supply chains.

    The Ambassador Bridge, the busiest US/Canada border crossings, has been partially shut down for days by the same type of anti-vaccine protests that have been going on in Ottawa (Canada's capital) and elsewhere in Canada. This crossing normally accounts for around a quarter of trade between US/Canada. Automakers have cut production as a result, and those are not the only impacts.

    I'm sure this will have other effects on already-stressed supply chains, but I don't have any details.

    This is a local-ish reverse-chronological summary.

    https://www.michiganradio.org/news/2022-02-09/ambassador-bridge-remains-closed-trucker-protests-over-canadas-covid-19-restrictions-continue

    So annoying. I am waiting for a new truck (which I think might be coming from Mexico?). It was *supposed* to be here end of January but delivery is no where in sight. This will probably delay it even more.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,055 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Needed to run into (big box home improvement chain store) today for something. That place had the lowest fraction of masking I've seen anywhere in ages: Almost no customers (maybe none other than me?) wearing masks; most of the employees had one, but many not properly worn (scrunched down around collar, nose not covered, that sort of thing). Only one staffer (woman staffing the self checkout) looked like she had a well-fitted mask, properly worn.

    I have to admit, this plus one of my (40-something y/o) nephews who refuses to wear a mask anywhere (when his wife and adult daughter will) makes me wonder (. . . Ann ducks and gets ready to run . . . ) is non-masking gender biased in some way? Here, I (F) and that woman at checkout were the overwhelming majority of women I saw in there, too.

    I've observed gender-biased non-masking. Where I go men are less likely to wear masks when not required, and to flout requirements.

    When coverings were required and cloth was ok, I saw many more men than women wear bandanas. I guess a mask is more palatable if it is cool ;)
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,055 Member
    Here in Massachusetts, the Standard Minimum Wage is $14.25 and Tipped Minimum Wage is $6.15.

    Wage theft is rampant in the restaurant business. I've received as low as nothing for Tipped Minimum Wage - tips only. That job didn't last long. But while it lasted, it was one of the hardest jobs I ever had.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    Looks like the supply chain issues are starting to hit our grocery stores. Still plenty of produce and whatnot, but I went last night to pick up a couple of steaks for tonight and my youngest wanted me to pick up some chicken and stars soup...soup shelves were pretty much bare as well as most canned goods.

    I was worried that I wouldn't be able to find steaks as a co-worker had said he couldn't find any chicken anywhere over the weekend...but there was plenty of beef and chicken. I haven't bought a real "steak dinner" type of steak in quite awhile...prices definitely up on that. We typically just do ground beef or when we have steak we do a skirt steak or flank as they are relatively cheap and feed all of us.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    Inflation is happening in every area and it is mostly because of what the Federal government did with handing out lots of cash. So now inflation is the highest it has been in 40 years... At levels that most of us have not seen in our lifetimes (assume everyone under 50 is too young to remember inflation 40 years ago, that is about 2/3 of the U.S. population).

    The cause is a quick increase in money supply and the solution will be to decrease money supply... This means interest rates are about to skyrocket.
  • MaggieGirl135
    MaggieGirl135 Posts: 1,055 Member
    and…11 7/8 % interest rate in 1985!!! 1/8 % less than typical—a discount by the county for first time home buyers. Ouch!!!
  • MaggieGirl135
    MaggieGirl135 Posts: 1,055 Member
    P.S. It was still was an excellent financial move for us—hard to believe!