Do you believe in ghosts?

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  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,511 Member
    edited March 30
    J_NY_Z wrote: »
    LoveyChar wrote: »
    J_NY_Z wrote: »
    I do not believe in ghosts but my personal opinion does not really matter.

    There seems to be a lot of circumstantial and anecdotal evidence that can never be reproduced to a level a scientist would accept as proof. Until that condition is satisfied the answer is no there are no ghosts.

    Oh I like your opinion and I wish it was mine. I really do. I wish I wish I wish I didn't believe in ghosts. But sadly, I do.

    Now, what about those detectors they show on the paranormal shows, like the ones that beep when you're in an active energy area or where the voices can be played back, synthesized I think somehow?

    Well I will say this: Many of the items described in those shows are "detectors" but for what? EMI, electromagnetic radiation? Well there's plenty of that surrounding us every day (TV signals, radio waves, cosmic rays, cell signals, etc.). Thermometers? Fluctuations in temperatures are ubiquitous and not due to something paranormal. Recording devices both audio and visual? I've often heard noises that don't show up in a recording. Is that my grandfather trying to talk to me from the grave? Probably not.

    If I was trying to find evidence for a fish that was rumored to exist but nobody saw it, I would employ techniques that have attracted other fish because they work and we already know fish do exist. To look for evidence of something that is suspect requires a rigorous design of experiment to know what you are looking for and how it will present itself. It may be that ghosts are real but we currently don't have the technology to see them. That's real and happens all the time.

    Until then....a ghost or spirit would have to present themselves to me while I am in sound mind and convince me they are such. Even then one case does not indicate proof.

    Listen to the Physics guy. :)

    I guess it all comes down to 'if I don't see something for myself, I haven't come to believe in it yet'. Yet, being the key word. And yes, there are tons of things I believe in, even if I haven't seen them myself, in person. :) It's not like I don't want to believe because I really do want to see ghosts, apparitions, proof of something. That's why I do believe in signs because I've had a couple experiences with those.

    I agree, people can and definitely should believe in what they feel is right and true for them.

  • Mangoperson88
    Mangoperson88 Posts: 314 Member
    edited March 30
    LoveyChar wrote: »
    The first two nights after my friend visited were the roughest that I've had in a long time. She believes in spirits, having seen them, and having been raised in Mexico and Catholic she told me of some of the customs she witnessed her grandmother doing to ward off malevolent spirits and to show peace with benevolent ones so I don't know if it's necessarily cultural or religious, or both. But all of them were things I'd never heard of, except for crosses up on walls everywhere.

    She is concerned she's got a demon attached to her, since she's got health issues and depression. So I'm sure there's energy, definitely, connected with that. Whether she does or doesn't, she's extremely anxious to even think that she does.

    Most ancient cultures of the world believe in the same theory. In Islam it's jinn(demon) in Hinduism it's pret atma( troubled evil spirits) and also sometimes when our ancestors are unhappy with how we are living our life we face the consequences. It's like we become cursed. We actually have a whole appeasing period usually in the month of September to please the dead ones by offering them their favorite foods via Brahmins and animals. Its a popular belief when a crow comes to eat instantly as you place the food then your ancestors are happy with you.
  • J_NY_Z
    J_NY_Z Posts: 2,457 Member
    @ReenieHJ

    "I agree, people can and definitely should believe in what they feel is right and true for them."

    Absolutely 100% agree. You always should do what's best for you.
  • Hiawassee88
    Hiawassee88 Posts: 19,664 Member
    edited March 30
    @LoveyChar For weeks, months and now years, I've wondered why O why did I see that. They were as real as you and me. :D The women had on cotton, short sleeved blouses, pastel colors with plaid polyester type pants. Their hair was from the 70's or 80's. They were all in a row, staring straight ahead and did not look at us. Once they stepped up on the curb, they passed through the compass and disappeared.

    I'm here to report that my friend did not see any cats but witnessed many dogs running through the compass. I take comfort in this now, knowing that our dogs will be there waiting for us. o:) Apparently, cats don't need any directional tools. They're so darned independent. They'll mosey on home when they're good and ready.

    When I go into that other store, I never ever look UP at the balcony. I don't want to see that kid. When the bookkeeper is alone after closing time, there's more. B) There's 4 floors. I do get the creeps when I go to the top floor and I'm always looking behind me. The old elevator is a pulley system. If I'm lyin', I'm fryin'. I do pray for myself before I go because I don't want to bring anything or anyone home with me. B)
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  • Mangoperson88
    Mangoperson88 Posts: 314 Member
    edited March 31
    My dad and I were talking about my hallucinatory problems the other day and the guy didn't know I have been suffering from it since birth and he casually said oh yeah most people in the family have experienced it but they're not as intense as yours. So he said after his mother passed away, He woke up in the middle of the night because the stray dogs were going wild with their barking around a tree and there he saw his mom's spirit hanging from the tree and he prayed to God to show his mom's spirit her true path and then I had a dream about her sitting in old people heaven-I think it was maybe just a sitting area in afterlife where decisions are made about where you're headed. I kept calling to her asking her whether she's ok she just kept staring at me. She was a nasty old woman and then there's also karma....
  • Hiawassee88
    Hiawassee88 Posts: 19,664 Member
    Char and Mango, for some reason, the 1000's of people who've witnessed these events I'm talking about become dumbstruck. You don't reach out to touch them and you don't ask them anything. You don't say, how in the world did you get here and what are you doing. You're simply an observer and your mouth is shut like you're in one of those dreams that many have. It is a time warp and a mind warp.

    I don't want to see any family members after they're gone and I haven't. It makes me truly happy knowing they've found peace.
    For me, karma is only wishful thinking. I've never witnessed any karma coming to pass in my family so I leave all of the consequences to the top brass.
  • LoveyChar
    LoveyChar Posts: 3,877 Member
    edited March 31
    I don't discount anything even though I can't understand some of it. @Mango88 , what does "mom's spirit" look like? It has an appearance, a feeling, a taste, an imagination. I know you're not crazy. Years ago, I envisioned my deceased aunt and her son, whom I've never met, when I was giving birth, a birth where my son and I both almost died (cord wrapped around his neck and 18 hours of excruciating birth with what ultimately ended in c-section, severe blood loss, almost 36 hours no sleep so severe fatigue, and my blood pressure crashed twice to excruciating low levels, twice revived). My cousin died with the cord wrapped around his neck and my son was born with the cord wrapped around his neck but he didn't get strangled down the birth canal, the major difference, thanks to modern technology and attentive doctors). I felt them on my left hand side near the heartrate monitor. It was a comforting, yet, heartbreaking feeling because I knew the terror that my baby could die. Her baby did die. She never recovered from that.

    Editing to add: Modern technology was heart rate monitors and c-section. Surprise c-section!
  • Hiawassee88
    Hiawassee88 Posts: 19,664 Member
    edited April 1
    My neighbor was a curator of civil war cemeteries. B) He has some stories, now. Holy Smokes. I think the soldiers are suffering with PTSD. Undiagnosed, of course. :D
  • LoveyChar
    LoveyChar Posts: 3,877 Member
    @Washboard12 has been listening to this for a few years now, before this thread existed when she carried her own and I was a lone crier and she heard me over and over again. Super small place, eavesdroppers I'm sure, but few willing to share. It's real. I've got more weirdo, spooky stuff.
  • Hiawassee88
    Hiawassee88 Posts: 19,664 Member
    edited April 1
    LoveyChar wrote: »
    @Washboard12 has been listening to this for a few years now, before this thread existed when she carried her own and I was a lone crier and she heard me over and over again. Super small place, eavesdroppers I'm sure, but few willing to share. It's real. I've got more weirdo, spooky stuff.

    So do I. :D:D Now what. Are we gonna spill our guts? :D
    I lived in a civil war army fort and guess what. They had another funeral parlor.
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  • LoveyChar
    LoveyChar Posts: 3,877 Member
    tlp8rb wrote: »
    Ghost, or spirit/soul - you decide. My husband and I live on three rural acres. We have a lively collie dog who is a delight. She has a huge, fenced dog yard and there is a doggie door so she can come and go as she pleases.

    It was a cold, winter night; the rain was just turning to sleet. We were watching television when our dog came running up the stairs (from the lower level where her doggie door is), barking and crying. My husband calls it her "Timmy is in the well" bark. She ran to me, barking and bouncing, making it clear she wanted me to follow her - that something was going on outside. I grabbed my jacket and a high-intensity flashlight, and out we went.

    The east edge of our property borders railroad tracks (and no, the train doesn't bother us). She went to the far end of her run. The fence is about 40' from the tracks. I shone my light in that direction. I couldn't see anything through the falling sleet. Then, out of the darkness I heard a male voice. "Please, don't shoot me. I mean you no harm." I yelled back and asked what he was doing back there. "I have to find my son. I miss him so much." For the next ten minutes we went back and forth. I learned that his son had drowned in the river and was buried in a cemetery about a half mile south of our house. He said he was on the tracks because his ride had broken down. He insisted he was a man of peace and implored me not to shoot him several times. He told me his son's name and his. Eventually the voice faded, he seemed to move on, and the dog and I went back in the house.

    Once inside I got on my computer and Googled his son's name. There were several results including an obituary from a funeral home nearby, and a newspaper story recounting the tragic death of a 5-year old in a river while on an outing with his father and other family members. The obituary confirmed that he was buried in the cemetery down the road. I was so affected by the pain in the man's voice, by his obvious grief, I was determined to find him and make sure he was OK. I found there were several people with his name in our community and I reached out to all of them. None responded. I didn't sleep much that night. I carefully wrote down everything I could remember.

    The next morning, I shared what had happened with a friend who was a reporter with our local newspaper. She said she would check her sources and see if she could sort it out. A few hours later, I got a Facebook message from her. In the message was a link to yet another obituary - the name I was given by the voice in the dark. He died two weeks after his son had drowned. His truck broke down and he was walking (in the dark) on a county road when he was hit and killed. Strangely, he is buried in the same cemetery as his son.

    Every word I've written is true to how it happened. I am 80-years old, an agnostic, and never believed in spirits, souls, or any kind of life after death. I cannot explain what happened. I only know that it did.

    I appreciate this. I believe you. I value what you said.
  • Hiawassee88
    Hiawassee88 Posts: 19,664 Member
    Absolutely. These are not things we share lightly.
  • LoveyChar
    LoveyChar Posts: 3,877 Member
    edited April 1
    "The first two nights after my friend visited were the roughest that I've had in a long time."

    So these words I wrote on 3/29 may have been a mistake. That very same night, I heard a loud noise in my bathroom (I checked the next morning to see if anything had fallen but I didn't notice anything). It doesn't necessarily mean something fell, though. It was a noise and could have even been from a bang, thump to something. One thing that has kind of been consistent and terrifying is a noise to my bedroom. I know the suction sound that comes from my husband opening the backdoor to go out to smoke and come back in and it creates a sound on my door. But it's not him, not the noise I know. Anyway, this noise was a bang against my bedroom door. As if someone was hitting it, not with immense force but just to say "hey, I'm here." I've had many, many nights of my door or door knob, rattling. Bathroom is almost attached to my bedroom and there have been many nights where I've heard rattling at the door. .

    Lastly, I was woken up out of a dream. I don't even know the people I was dreaming about. I never saw his face. But the girl was big, top heavy and not evenly proportionate, pear shaped and chicken legs. She had brown eyes and hair and mascara streaking down her face as she'd been crying.

    I work in a place where there are lots of Door Dash Deliveries, etc., that kind of thing, except we don't serve hot, fast food. In the dream, it looked like she was supposed to have delivered something hot and/or fresh and fell asleep but her boyfriend wasn't there when it happened, came home later, woke her up, screamed at her while she told him, sobbing, that she'd get it delivered and then he threw the sub/hoagie sandwich in the trash after having belittled and degraded her. He was smaller and sandy blonde but I only saw the back of his head and heard him screaming at her.

    Dreams are rare for me to remember unless I'm woke up in the middle of them. Anyway, I felt four or five thumps on my bed. I last felt that feeling on my mattress in December of 2018. I'll write about that story another night. This was much less terrifying than the experience I felt then. I was scared, confused, rattled. But I was safe and I prayed and eventually fell back to sleep.

    I have been through some extremely abusive relationships in my life, stuff that's too screwed up to talk about and I've been abused from a very early age, really screwed up and all things I try to bury deep down. I can't say that I'm in the healthiest of relationships now. I am safe and I'm old enough and strong enough to know better and fight back. But, I don't know. I really don't know. This time, only because of the dream, I was wondering if someone was trying to tell me something. It disturbed me. It still disturbs me.

  • Mangoperson88
    Mangoperson88 Posts: 314 Member
    People call me crazy and I'm totally doped out on psych meds but it's reassuring to know that maybe I'm not crazy just extra sensitive. @LoveyChar i really cried reading your above post, I've been through abuse too since early age maybe that's why it makes me kinda psychic/sensitive to things around me. Anyway, when I was in 9th grade I had a dream which turned out to be a premonition. In my dream I saw a drunkard of a man beat up his mother for money and then kill her by setting her ablaze. Few days later, this incident happened in my neighborhood, right opposite my building actually, a man set himself and his mother on fire because she refused to give him money for alcohol. People who question and deny well y'all need to know we all are sensitive and psychic you know? Like how you just know when your loved one is in danger. You can't deny that and I've always been this way. It's just people successfully convinced me I'm crazy.
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,511 Member
    edited April 1
    People call me crazy and I'm totally doped out on psych meds but it's reassuring to know that maybe I'm not crazy just extra sensitive. @LoveyChar i really cried reading your above post, I've been through abuse too since early age maybe that's why it makes me kinda psychic/sensitive to things around me. Anyway, when I was in 9th grade I had a dream which turned out to be a premonition. In my dream I saw a drunkard of a man beat up his mother for money and then kill her by setting her ablaze. Few days later, this incident happened in my neighborhood, right opposite my building actually, a man set himself and his mother on fire because she refused to give him money for alcohol. People who question and deny well y'all need to know we all are sensitive and psychic you know? Like how you just know when your loved one is in danger. You can't deny that and I've always been this way. It's just people successfully convinced me I'm crazy.

    I don't think you or anyone else that has premonitions, apparitions, etc., is crazy at all. My mom used to tell me she had a lot of dreams about a car windshield shattering, she even felt the glass in her mouth, right up until the night my sister was killed in a car accident. She never had another dream like that. I truly believe we all have a sensitivity to certain things, some people more than others. I think my sensitivity is low or I'm just not recognizing circumstances when they produce themselves, don't see them for what they really area. I'm not open enough to accept them, I guess. :(
    As I mentioned above, I wish I had those experiences.
  • Hiawassee88
    Hiawassee88 Posts: 19,664 Member
    edited April 1
    @LoveyChar

    Everything within and outside of your being is coming together to help you. Every shard and every broken piece is coming back together. Now. Every dirt sandwich you've had to eat to arrive at this place is falling by the wayside.

    Your good friends, your authentic friends, the real ones will stand with you. You may only have a couple of them when all is said and done but you will know who they are. This is your opportunity and when you come through this, you will be and feel whole.

    Family members may carry a bias. So we turn to our friends who can look above and beyond us in a judgment free zone. We have to be ready when these opportunities hit right out of the clear blue sky. This is your time. This is your thread. It's become a tender and a tinder bar.

    When you come through all of this, you will be tungsten steel. Sparks will fly and you'll be smokin' hot. None of this has anything to do with the outer shell. Your tensile strength comes from within and any impact and glancing blow that comes your way will bounce off of you. Let the past eat your dust. You will not be deterred.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 40,874 Member
    Not ghosts necessarily, but multi-dimensions...where sometimes those dimensions colide in unusual ways resulting in strange apparitions, deja vu, etc.
  • Destanieroberts06
    Destanieroberts06 Posts: 103 Member
    My dog haunts me even after he died and my ex gf who committed suicide...does that count