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  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,305 Member
    Its true its another virus which tends to affect persons in a social minority. This does not make it dismissible. I think it was the WHO talking about it. More persons in quite a few countries no cause for spread so far has been found. Here discovering something to connect cases is proving impossible. The fall back situation is contact and trace........... where have we heard this before. And covid has not gone away, we are supposed to be able to get on and live with it.

    I realise the press in the US is vastly different to ours in the UK.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,305 Member
    Paperpudding, I hope your husband recovers well, hope you continue to stay clear too.

    You could look into zinc supplements because his taste is affected, even before covid zinc was associated with taste and smell. I expect were this appropriate to your husband you will be across it.
    Take care, Keep safe
  • COGypsy
    COGypsy Posts: 1,455 Member
    thats not the rule here Gail.

    Close contacts have to test for 5 days out of 7 including on their last day. They are not in isolation though, but have some restrictions - wear masks in public areas, don't attend health settings (so time off work if you are employed in one)

    if you actually get Covid - either as a close contact like I did , or just randomly, you have to home isolate for 7 days. You do not leave your home unless emergency

    But you do not have to test again - at the end of the 7 days, if you have no symptoms, your isolation is over. If you have acute symptoms you stay isolated until they clear

    You are also exempt from RATS tests in any situation in which they might be required - eg occupational, visiting nursing homes travel etc - for 3 months

    Because people can have antibodies which show up as positive for a period of time but they are not infectious, it is just evidence of recent infection

    That’s the policy here in the US as well, except isolation is 10 days. In Colorado at least. I was very specifically told not to test again and to contact public health if I needed documentation to exempt me from any testing at all, even for medical procedures, for 90 days.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    edited May 2022
    thats not the rule here Gail.

    Close contacts have to test for 5 days out of 7 including on their last day. They are not in isolation though, but have some restrictions - wear masks in public areas, don't attend health settings (so time off work if you are employed in one)

    if you actually get Covid - either as a close contact like I did , or just randomly, you have to home isolate for 7 days. You do not leave your home unless emergency

    But you do not have to test again - at the end of the 7 days, if you have no symptoms, your isolation is over. If you have acute symptoms you stay isolated until they clear

    You are also exempt from RATS tests in any situation in which they might be required - eg occupational, visiting nursing homes travel etc - for 3 months

    Because people can have antibodies which show up as positive for a period of time but they are not infectious, it is just evidence of recent infection

    That is the legal procedure here as well, but my understanding is that those policies were put in place more because of business demands than actually medical science.

    I was searching online and my understanding is that while PCR tests can pick up genetic material for many weeks - if you test positive on a rapid test it is possible that you are still infectious (especially day 5 - 10).

    At any rate I couldn't get a definitive answer so I leaned towards a cautious approach and didn't return to the office until I tested negative (rapid test) just to be safe. I didn't want to expose anyone.

    Also I was pretty sick so I don't think my symptoms were even gone in 7 days.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,527 Member
    It was 10 days here too till a month or so ago COgypsy - but now only 7.
    Although the day of positive test is day 0, so really 8 days.

    if your acute symptoms are not gone, you stay in isolation.
    Ongoing symptoms like post viral cough, some people have fatigue for a while afterward - they are ok to go out.
    I will be wearing a mask when I am back at work - as masks are still required in health settings anyway.

    No I dont agree that positive RATS would mean you are still positive - I dont think SA Health (or other authorities) would exempt people who have had Covid for doing RATS for 3 months if that were so.
    They specifically say you do not need to do a clearance RATS test - if your symptoms have cleared you can end your isolation.
    And SA Health have been conservative compared to other places and I do not think swayed by business influences.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    It was 10 days here too till a month or so ago COgypsy - but now only 7.
    Although the day of positive test is day 0, so really 8 days.

    if your acute symptoms are not gone, you stay in isolation.
    Ongoing symptoms like post viral cough, some people have fatigue for a while afterward - they are ok to go out.
    I will be wearing a mask when I am back at work - as masks are still required in health settings anyway.

    No I dont agree that positive RATS would mean you are still positive - I dont think SA Health (or other authorities) would exempt people who have had Covid for doing RATS for 3 months if that were so.
    They specifically say you do not need to do a clearance RATS test - if your symptoms have cleared you can end your isolation.
    And SA Health have been conservative compared to other places and I do not think swayed by business influences.

    Interesting - it's only 5 days here but my belief is still that is just to get people back to work sooner. Or it was when it was changed back in January when basically everyone had it and the economy was going to come to a standstill with everyone isolating.

    Everything I have read from virologists and public health experts states that (at the very least up to day 10) if you test positive you are still infectious. Probably less infectious than the first few days, but still potentially infectious. And I did a LOT of (online) "research" when I had it. I'd be curious to see the data that SA Health used in making their assertion. Asymptomatic testing resumes here 30 days after confirmed infection.

    "The odds are very slim, outside of a laboratory setting, that someone who gets a positive result on a rapid antigen test is a non-infectious person shedding large amounts of dead virus, said Kelly Wroblewski, director of infectious disease programs for the Association of Public Health Laboratories."

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/if-you-test-positive-on-a-rapid-covid-test-dont-stop-isolating-just-yet-virologists-say

    My BIL (who is the director of public health here) concurred - he gave me actual numbers on how it works (which I now forget but something like 40% of people are still infectious after 7 days etc). It's not like you are 100% infectious on day 5 and 0% on day 6.

    The regulations here also state not to visit high risk settings between days 6-10 - so it seems that does acknowledge there is still a risk of infection.

    At any rate, yes legally probably no one could have stopped me from going into the office. But out of respect for the people I work with I followed the information that I could find, not the legal requirement. If that information is flawed then whatever, I'm not harming anyone by staying away. I can work from home anyway so it was no big deal.

  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,305 Member
    I'm relieved your husband is up to doing bill and the like. I'm glad he has recognised the benefits of being home, the boat can wait. I wish you both well as you work towards him getting a good nights rest. Rest is a good part of recuperation. Respiration being an issue is not a good place to be, my experience of that was watching an asthmatic. Take care, Keep safe.
  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,466 Member
    Thanks @fuzzipeg i appreciate all the advice!
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,527 Member
    This was back in the days of registering cases and the medical practice was informed my husband had registered a positive test so they offered help if needed.

    Do you no longer have to register cases?

    Here you have to notify SA Health if you get a positive RATS test and your Dr's practice has to notify of any PCR postitives - and where I work, the Dr phones the patient to see how they are doing

    Both my husband (positive PCR from symptomatic testing) and myself (positive RATS from required close contact testing) then got a text message from SA Health telling us of isolation requirements and another one giving us a help line if we had mental health issues or were not coping.
    Before that I also had a message from them advising of close contact requirements

  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,466 Member
    @paperpudding I am very curious. I did reach out to my PCP to get our COVID illnesses into our medical record. All I was told is to take OTC meds and reach out if we got worse. Seemed to be no interest in noting the illness, but they could just not have told me that they were registering the reports.
  • SummerSkier
    SummerSkier Posts: 5,793 Member
    I think there is a way here to officially report a positive home test but I also think our official #s are way lower than reality. Part of it is that people are just tired of it and don't even want to test when they have symptoms. Part of it is the home testing.

    The reason I say this is I see a pretty large spike at work the past few weeks since they do report those positive and those isolating with symptoms (whether positive or not) to us . So even if our county isn't moving to a higher transmission rate officially it's definitely happening.

    I only hope that this variant remains less severe and less longterm. I don't honestly believe anymore that more shots does any good against it if you have had 3 or 4. I know the party line is that they will keep you from more severe illness but not sure if the data supports that they actually do anything. Maybe. Hopefully. But I have a bit of a mistrust at this point after watching Omicron tear thru here in late Dec and January.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,305 Member
    edited June 2022
    There do not seem to be any requirements to test. The free tests were withdrawn when the Prime Minister decided covid was no longer an issue and we all should get back to normal. I've not heard anything subsequently about local or national covid numbers in the media. Its as if its totally gone away.

    I have tests in my draw to use when visiting my mother but have not had symptoms or contacts which indicate to me I need to test so I've not tried the need to report a covid case. Even the care home my mother needs to be in does not require me to test pre visit now thought someone giving personal care should test once a week. Probably there is still somewhere to report one's status, but its all on trust. Thinking about it, the Local Area Testing Centre has closed and the walk in one in town has been take away. There's no requirement to isolate a positive care either though a social worker in my wider family did isolate.

    Paperpudding, where you are sounds to be much more enlightened. I'd be more than happy to still be testing and everything, its just too casual for my liking,
  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,466 Member
    @summerskier Like you, I am also not convinced I want a 4th, or more, vaccination. I am not saying never, I'm just not rushing to be the front of the line and will decide when, and if, I am ready. I think DH is much more open to the 4th shot. I have just felt like crap after each of the 3, so I am not excited. PLUS, I need to finally get the darned shingles shots that I hear are going to make me feel awful too.

    I am improving rapidly from the COVID. DH, is having a rough day today. Bad throat and keeps coughing up chunks of stuff.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,527 Member
    I am in Australia - South Australia to be exact, as different states may have slightly different requirements

    There are situations in which one is required to do a PCR test - if symptomatic and RATS is negative, as there is possibility of false negative RATS. Thats why my husband did a PCR
    PCR result then gets electronically sent to your GP ( just like any other lab result for anything else) , who is required to notify SA Health.
    Just like other notifiable diseases- eg influenza, shingles etc
    Or more likely somebody on his/her behalf does, like one of the staff
    The GP is not required to contact you but most probably give you a phone call to see how you are going

    There are other situations in which one is required to do a RATS - often for travel, occupational requirements, visiting Aged Care facilities, close contact requirements, or having any symptoms (if RATS is positive, no need for PCR confirmation)
    If a RATS is positive you are required to report it to SA Health - you fill in a form online to do so.

    SA Health then sends you a text message telling you about home isolation and what to do if you get worse.
    They also send you another one advising you of mental health hotline and another one on day before your isolation finishes, telling you it finishes at midnight that night, unless you are still symptomatic in which case stay isolated until acute symptoms clear.
    and they send one to anyone you advised was a close contact, telling them of close contact requirements.

    I'm sure there is the possibility some people have symptoms and do not get tested but work places etc wouldnt let you come to work with symptoms unless you were proven Covid negative and there is the possibility some people get a positive RATS and do not report it or self isolate - but generally speaking, I think the population is being compliant with this - and certainly one would be a social pariah, as well as behaving illegally, if one was known to not report or isolate if positive.

    RATS are readily available now and not expensive - however, relevant work places supply them for employees, Aged Care facilities supply them for visitors, people on Health Care cards (ie low incomes) get them free, close contacts get them free.
    You would only buy them if you were testing for travel purposes or you had symptoms and didnt want to get a PCR (PCR's are free for everybody)
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    SModa61 wrote: »
    @paperpudding I am very curious. I did reach out to my PCP to get our COVID illnesses into our medical record. All I was told is to take OTC meds and reach out if we got worse. Seemed to be no interest in noting the illness, but they could just not have told me that they were registering the reports.

    We don't have to report it here as far as I am aware (Canada). We can't even get a PCR test if we wanted one, and how would they ever enforce reporting a home test?

    Back when my husband had it in December they were still doing PCR tests so his case is in the official numbers I guess. Mine in April was just at at home test so no one "officially" knows that I had it, it's not reported anywhere and I didn't call my doctor. I believe that only thing they are tracking here now is hospitalizations, and that has been steadily decreasing.