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  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
    I'm having a Covid disagreement with my husband.

    We have a milestone wedding anniversary next year, and I want to plan a trip overseas. He thinks it is too risky to plan a trip this far in advance, because he's worried about new variants that evade vaccines. He keeps sending me articles about the next variant that is said to be emerging in Europe this fall.

    I contend that we are not taking much of a greater risk going on a trip than we would be staying at home. The 7-hour plane trip would be our greatest exposure. Other than that, we would be renting a car, staying in AirBnBs, and doing a lot of outdoor activities, like hiking. I'm not talking about a cruise or staying at a crowded resort or anything like that.

    In our everyday lives, we both work jobs where we encounter a lot of people, we go to family parties, we go to restaurants, we go to theatres. What in the world is the difference if we drive around a European country for 10 days?

    Covid will never go away. There will always be new variants, there will always be cases. Are we never going to go anywhere ever again?

    Sorry for the rant.

    I'll think that you'll find that COVID tends to "calm down" over the summer months. I live in Italy, and our numbers are less then. Plan a late Spring or Summer trip. Yes, we need to learn to live with this. Congratulations.
  • SuzySunshine99
    SuzySunshine99 Posts: 2,990 Member
    It was going to be mid-May. It should not be bad then, but I can’t convince him of that. He’s a worst-case-scenario kind of guy.
  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,460 Member
    I'm having a Covid disagreement with my husband.

    We have a milestone wedding anniversary next year, and I want to plan a trip overseas. He thinks it is too risky to plan a trip this far in advance, because he's worried about new variants that evade vaccines. He keeps sending me articles about the next variant that is said to be emerging in Europe this fall.

    I contend that we are not taking much of a greater risk going on a trip than we would be staying at home. The 7-hour plane trip would be our greatest exposure. Other than that, we would be renting a car, staying in AirBnBs, and doing a lot of outdoor activities, like hiking. I'm not talking about a cruise or staying at a crowded resort or anything like that.

    In our everyday lives, we both work jobs where we encounter a lot of people, we go to family parties, we go to restaurants, we go to theatres. What in the world is the difference if we drive around a European country for 10 days?

    Covid will never go away. There will always be new variants, there will always be cases. Are we never going to go anywhere ever again?

    Sorry for the rant.

    I think living as close to normal as possible for our mental health, which is important too! Hubby and I have booked a tour of Scotland for fall 2023 for our 40th. We are just making sure of the insurance we have for international travel.
  • spiriteagle99
    spiriteagle99 Posts: 3,819 Member
    The previous boosters were only effective for a month or two. Does anyone know how long the protection lasts from the bi-valent shot?
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,195 Member
    edited October 2022
    I'm having a Covid disagreement with my husband.

    We have a milestone wedding anniversary next year, and I want to plan a trip overseas. He thinks it is too risky to plan a trip this far in advance, because he's worried about new variants that evade vaccines. He keeps sending me articles about the next variant that is said to be emerging in Europe this fall.

    I contend that we are not taking much of a greater risk going on a trip than we would be staying at home. The 7-hour plane trip would be our greatest exposure. Other than that, we would be renting a car, staying in AirBnBs, and doing a lot of outdoor activities, like hiking. I'm not talking about a cruise or staying at a crowded resort or anything like that.

    In our everyday lives, we both work jobs where we encounter a lot of people, we go to family parties, we go to restaurants, we go to theatres. What in the world is the difference if we drive around a European country for 10 days?

    Covid will never go away. There will always be new variants, there will always be cases. Are we never going to go anywhere ever again?

    Sorry for the rant.

    To me, the issue isn't that your chances of getting covid are greater from the vacation than from your everyday life. To me, the issue is that the consequences of getting covid are greater during a vacation. Will the place you're traveling to require retesting after you land, and quarantining while you wait for results? Tough to know this far ahead.

    I'd be worried about spending money to travel overseas, testing positive (whether due to mandatory testing or becoming symptomatic), spending most of your vacation quarantining, possibly having to push back your return date, spend extra money on a hotel that you hadn't even planned because you have to spend extra time in quarantine beyond your original travel plans, missing work (if you can't work remotely from overseas but could if your were home quarantining).

    I actually turned down an invitation for free lodging this summer with relatives in a country I would have liked to visit because I didn't want to risk getting stuck overseas longer than I planned -- plus not crazy about the idea of spending money on air fare just to end up quarantining.

    But it's tough to see multiple years go by and feel like you can't travel. Maybe see if your husband would be willing to revisit the issue a little closer to the travel time? You could still do research and make plans short of booking. Maybe if you involve him in the planning for a potential trip, the two of you could figure out which things bother him most and any options that might ease his anxiety.



    Edited to delete a snippet of a post I started writing weeks ago and decided to discard, which apparently isn't a thing you can do anymore. Thanks, MFP.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,305 Member
    Flight cancelations can work both ways, us unable to get over to you. I've not heard of any supply issues in our rental, car hire fleets. (I'm sure everyone knows more than I, they always assume they do). I know one hour has become a very long time in our UK news stream these days but please do not write us off just yet.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,055 Member
    edited October 2022
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Flight cancelations can work both ways, us unable to get over to you. I've not heard of any supply issues in our rental, car hire fleets. (I'm sure everyone knows more than I, they always assume they do). I know one hour has become a very long time in our UK news stream these days but please do not write us off just yet.

    The UK isn't in Europe anymore so she wasn't talking about you ;)

    (Yes, I know there is a difference between the EU and Europe :smiley: )
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,055 Member
    I'm having a Covid disagreement with my husband.

    We have a milestone wedding anniversary next year, and I want to plan a trip overseas. He thinks it is too risky to plan a trip this far in advance, because he's worried about new variants that evade vaccines. He keeps sending me articles about the next variant that is said to be emerging in Europe this fall.

    I contend that we are not taking much of a greater risk going on a trip than we would be staying at home. The 7-hour plane trip would be our greatest exposure. Other than that, we would be renting a car, staying in AirBnBs, and doing a lot of outdoor activities, like hiking. I'm not talking about a cruise or staying at a crowded resort or anything like that.

    In our everyday lives, we both work jobs where we encounter a lot of people, we go to family parties, we go to restaurants, we go to theatres. What in the world is the difference if we drive around a European country for 10 days?

    Covid will never go away. There will always be new variants, there will always be cases. Are we never going to go anywhere ever again?

    Sorry for the rant.

    To me, the issue isn't that your chances of getting covid are greater from the vacation than from your everyday life. To me, the issue is that the consequences of getting covid are greater during a vacation. Will the place you're traveling to require retesting after you land, and quarantining while you wait for results? Tough to know this far ahead.

    I'd be worried about spending money to travel overseas, testing positive (whether due to mandatory testing or becoming symptomatic), spending most of your vacation quarantining, possibly having to push back your return date, spend extra money on a hotel that you hadn't even planned because you have to spend extra time in quarantine beyond your original travel plans, missing work (if you can't work remotely from overseas but could if your were home quarantining).

    I actually turned down an invitation for free lodging this summer with relatives in a country I would have liked to visit because I didn't want to risk getting stuck overseas longer than I planned -- plus not crazy about the idea of spending money on air fare just to end up quarantining.

    But it's tough to see multiple years go by and feel like you can't travel. Maybe see if your husband would be willing to revisit the issue a little closer to the travel time? You could still do research and make plans short of booking. Maybe if you involve him in the planning for a potential trip, the two of you could figure out which things bother him most and any options that might ease his anxiety.

    Well said.

    That said, I am a horribilizer. My partner is a minimizer.
  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 19,138 Member
    Our of curiosity, what are the current isolation requirements in everyone's part of the world at the moment? Here in Victoria, Australia (and I think the rest of the country but I won't swear up to it), they've done away with mandatory isolation and the only restrictions on what you can do if positive is not visit aged and disability care facilities and hospitals, unless seeking immediate medical care. Lot's of workplaces are still requiring you not come in if covid positive, or showing symptoms, however.
  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 19,138 Member
    My question is...does anyone foresee international travel being any less of a risk in the coming years? Of course, we don't know for sure, but based on how the virus has behaved, this is not going away anytime soon. I personally think it will always be around in some form.

    Are we always going to say, "Well, what if...?" At what point will it be an acceptable risk...like the risk that the weather will be bad, or your flight will be cancelled, or your car breaks down, or you get hurt, or you get sick with any illness?

    Traveling is full of risks; it always has been. Travel insurance is a must on an expensive trip. I just, personally, am sick of staying close to home. I can only do so many Wisconsin road trips. I've eaten too much cheese and bratwurst.

    Honestly, I don't think I have any better or worse chance of getting it close to home versus overseas - my concerns with overseas travel is more the practicalities, like what if I get it and get too sick to be travelling, spend whole holiday in hospital, somehow don't have coverage (as careful as I am about insurance), get stuck overseas due to policies or some change in restrictions. I've travelled and gotten ill before but none of the illnesses I have caught travelling have ever been the subject of such worldwide restrictions and, dare I say it, panic as this one and that's what makes me nervous. But given that where I live has zero restrictions and has recently had one of the highest infection rates in the world (after some of the lowest, and some of the most full on lockdowns), while I'm not currently planning any overseas trips due to other considerations, when I do, I'm probably not going to worry about the Covid risk as long as my insurance will respond.
  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
    My question is...does anyone foresee international travel being any less of a risk in the coming years? Of course, we don't know for sure, but based on how the virus has behaved, this is not going away anytime soon. I personally think it will always be around in some form.

    Are we always going to say, "Well, what if...?" At what point will it be an acceptable risk...like the risk that the weather will be bad, or your flight will be cancelled, or your car breaks down, or you get hurt, or you get sick with any illness?

    Traveling is full of risks; it always has been. Travel insurance is a must on an expensive trip. I just, personally, am sick of staying close to home. I can only do so many Wisconsin road trips. I've eaten too much cheese and bratwurst.

    I live in Rome, Italy and we are chock full of American tourists, and just tourists in general. The idea here is that people who are fragile should continue to get vaxxed and mask up and the rest are free to do what they want. In a country that relies on tourism for a good part of the economy it really can't go any other way.

    I think we will continue on this route unless a virulent new strain shows up. Also think that the virus will spike every winter and calm down during the warmer months.People are just tired of the whole thing. Most people don't even get tested for COVID anymore. If you're sick you just stay home. You still need a test for most flights and I'd mask up on a crowded flight. I'd still wash hands frequently and avoid heavily crowed indoor areas while traveling. As for quarantining, definitely get travel insurance.

    I have friends coming to stay with us and flying in from Milwaukee. He's a doctor and has had a heart replacement. I was a little surprised that they decided to travel in full COVID. Spring would be safer. However, I'll get their take on the whole thing when they get here and then report back. They arrive Nov 9th.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,526 Member
    Our of curiosity, what are the current isolation requirements in everyone's part of the world at the moment? Here in Victoria, Australia (and I think the rest of the country but I won't swear up to it), they've done away with mandatory isolation and the only restrictions on what you can do if positive is not visit aged and disability care facilities and hospitals, unless seeking immediate medical care. Lot's of workplaces are still requiring you not come in if covid positive, or showing symptoms, however.


    Not sure if it is national or not - but here in South Australia mandatory isolation has ceased and mask wearing only applies in tier 1 health settings - ie nursing homes and hospitals.

    tier 2 health settings (GP surgeries, optomitrists, pharmacies etc) no longer need masks

    However tier 2 health settings have been given option to continue enforcing this if they wish - so if a GP surgery, wants to have everyone masked they can still require this

    Likewise individual organisations like nursing homes can make flu and covid vaccines mandatory for visitors, although this is no longer a national requirement

    (mandatory requirement for staff has not changed)
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    edited October 2022
    The only thing that kept me from travelling was the restrictions and testing requirements, I'm not super worried about getting Covid (I've had Covid at least once, plus 4 shots.) As long as things are open and I don't have to worry about getting stuck somewhere I would go - we took our first vacation in two years in May and will be going away again either over Christmas or in January. Canada is completely open with no travel/vaccine/testing restrictions, and I'm not aware of any restrictions anywhere I would care to travel to either.

    My only concern at this point is all the doom and gloom reporting about new variants hitting us over the winter. If things get really bad I imagine some restrictions could be re-introduced - but I think it would have to be really bad for that to happen. (When Covid first hit I had to cancel two planned vacations, I ended up getting 90%+ of my money back on those.)
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    Over six and a half million people have died from Covid. People are still dying. We aren’t world travelers anyway, but I do think that common sense should be used. Mask up in enclosed areas, hand washing etc, wherever you travel. Regular flu seems to be on the rise this season. We’re scheduled for our 3rd Covid booster and our annual flu shot on Monday. We mask up still when we go anywhere. Neither of us has had so much as a sniffle all during Covid. I think masking helps.

    When I got a Covid booster recently they told me to wait two weeks before getting a flu (or any other) vaccine.
  • SuzySunshine99
    SuzySunshine99 Posts: 2,990 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    Over six and a half million people have died from Covid. People are still dying. We aren’t world travelers anyway, but I do think that common sense should be used. Mask up in enclosed areas, hand washing etc, wherever you travel. Regular flu seems to be on the rise this season. We’re scheduled for our 3rd Covid booster and our annual flu shot on Monday. We mask up still when we go anywhere. Neither of us has had so much as a sniffle all during Covid. I think masking helps.

    When I got a Covid booster recently they told me to wait two weeks before getting a flu (or any other) vaccine.

    Interesting…here they are pushing both at the same time. I got mine a week apart, but my husband and my parents got both together.

  • missysippy930
    missysippy930 Posts: 2,577 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    Over six and a half million people have died from Covid. People are still dying. We aren’t world travelers anyway, but I do think that common sense should be used. Mask up in enclosed areas, hand washing etc, wherever you travel. Regular flu seems to be on the rise this season. We’re scheduled for our 3rd Covid booster and our annual flu shot on Monday. We mask up still when we go anywhere. Neither of us has had so much as a sniffle all during Covid. I think masking helps.

    When I got a Covid booster recently they told me to wait two weeks before getting a flu (or any other) vaccine.

    When we got our first two boosters, they said to wait 3 weeks to get any other vaccine. This one is for the new strain. They’re scheduling them with the flu vaccine, and it’s being encouraged by doctors. One in each arm. https://www.nytimes.com/article/covid-booster-flu-shot-same-time.amp.html
  • SuzySunshine99
    SuzySunshine99 Posts: 2,990 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    Over six and a half million people have died from Covid. People are still dying. We aren’t world travelers anyway, but I do think that common sense should be used. Mask up in enclosed areas, hand washing etc, wherever you travel. Regular flu seems to be on the rise this season. We’re scheduled for our 3rd Covid booster and our annual flu shot on Monday. We mask up still when we go anywhere. Neither of us has had so much as a sniffle all during Covid. I think masking helps.

    When I got a Covid booster recently they told me to wait two weeks before getting a flu (or any other) vaccine.

    When we got our first two boosters, they said to wait 3 weeks to get any other vaccine. This one is for the new strain. They’re scheduling them with the flu vaccine, and it’s being encouraged by doctors. One in each arm. https://www.nytimes.com/article/covid-booster-flu-shot-same-time.amp.html

    Same arm is better. Why have two sore arms instead of one?

    As we will probably be getting Covid shots on a yearly basis, it’s going to make sense to combine them with the flu shot.

  • missysippy930
    missysippy930 Posts: 2,577 Member
    That’s what they’re recommending. I’ll ask the pharmacist on Monday. Neither of us have had much reaction with previous vaccines. A little tenderness maybe. We’ll see 🤷🏼‍♀️
  • SuzySunshine99
    SuzySunshine99 Posts: 2,990 Member
    That’s what they’re recommending. I’ll ask the pharmacist on Monday. Neither of us have had much reaction with previous vaccines. A little tenderness maybe. We’ll see 🤷🏼‍♀️

    Hmmm, yeah, my husband got both at Costco, and my parents got theirs at Walgreens. Both places said do the same arm to keep soreness localized. I don’t think it matters.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    edited October 2022
    33gail33 wrote: »
    Over six and a half million people have died from Covid. People are still dying. We aren’t world travelers anyway, but I do think that common sense should be used. Mask up in enclosed areas, hand washing etc, wherever you travel. Regular flu seems to be on the rise this season. We’re scheduled for our 3rd Covid booster and our annual flu shot on Monday. We mask up still when we go anywhere. Neither of us has had so much as a sniffle all during Covid. I think masking helps.

    When I got a Covid booster recently they told me to wait two weeks before getting a flu (or any other) vaccine.

    When we got our first two boosters, they said to wait 3 weeks to get any other vaccine. This one is for the new strain. They’re scheduling them with the flu vaccine, and it’s being encouraged by doctors. One in each arm. https://www.nytimes.com/article/covid-booster-flu-shot-same-time.amp.html

    Mine was the new bivalent one, and idk she told me to wait two weeks. It was at the beginning of October so early for a flu shot anyway, so it didn't matter to me.

    I probably wouldn't have taken both together anyway because I was a bit nervous about the side effects since it was the Moderna vaccine and my original series was Pfizer, plus I was sick when I got it.

    I have since heard ads on the radio here telling people they can get both at once - maybe this particular provider has their own opinion on the timing recommendations.

  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,055 Member
    Speaking of sore arms post shots, I recently completed a 6 month course of Lupron, where I had one shot per month, preferably in different parts of the body. I had the first in my arm, the second in my thigh, and the rest in my glutes, because THERE WAS NO SORENESS WHATSOEVER IN MY GLUTE.

    When I got my latest COVID booster last month I requested it in the glute and she said she could not do that. This was not due to privacy concerns, as we were in a little room. Also, apparently when it comes to giving injections, the glutes are much higher than I thought. Probably I was thinking of Gluteus Maximus and they are injecting in the higher Gluteus Medius.

    So now I am going to try to get my flu shot at my doctor's office so I can get this in my glute.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,526 Member
    Flu and Covid vaccines have been given at same time in Australia for all of 2022.

    Originally, ie in 2021, they were to be 2 weeks apart then 1 week apart - this year can be same time

    This didnt have anything to do with which strain or brand of Covid (or flu) - but more to do with caution because it was a new vaccine.
  • SummerSkier
    SummerSkier Posts: 5,773 Member
    My understanding is that vaccines are not usually given in the glutes because they are not as effective. I have to say based on one experience of being stung by a scorpion in the arm versus being stung by a scorpion in the but that it does seem to be more sensible. Just some light humor. But true