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Theoldguy1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »If we thought laundromats were bad, planes seem to be even worse. Once again, someone with Covid symptoms got on a plane on Dec. 14. This one died from Covid while om the plane. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/a-man-with-covid-symptoms-died-on-a-plane-and-the-cdc-is
So the guy checked off he didn't have Covid related symptoms them as the EMTs are taking him off the planr the wife says he had Covid related symptoms including lack of taste and smell?
Someone's going to have some explaining to to why she allowed him to get on the plane without notifying anyone.
I think it’s pretty much understood that he lied to get on the plane. They used fancier language but that’s what the airline said.
Yeah, I'd like to see the widow changed with something. Per the article she knew he had symptoms.
So he lied, she's responsible?
Sure.
As I understand the story, they were traveling together, both filled out the forms, she knew he had symptoms and was lying (if not, he couldn't travel), and when he had a medical emergency on the plane she acknowledged that he had obvious covid symptoms before.
I don't know how much of this is confirmed -- too much seems to rely on Twitter, for example, and I don't trust stuff people claim on Twitter (are there lots of people who would pretend to be passengers with inside information for attention or to make a point on Twitter? yes, sadly) -- but to the extent it is true, she is certainly has some moral responsibility.
Agree as I mentioned above, I was making the assumption that the story was true as presented (I did look and CNN, The New York Times, Newsweek, Washington Post among others all ran basically the same story). And if she knew he had symptoms she would be considered a close contact and should be quarantining herself. I don't know the particular questions United asks before boarding but at my doctor's office, Red Cross blood donation, etc. they asked it I was a close contact and if I was would not be seen.
She knew she was a close contact and if that question was asked she lied about that in addition to not doing the right thing and not letting him board the flight.6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I don’t know what it is about laundromats. My daughter says there are a lot of unmasked people there when she goes too. As far as cough drops go, my mother and husband have them all the time. I guess it helps with dry mouth issues. 🤷🏻♀️
Laundromats, just like any other building, should have a security officer at the door insisting on a mask before entering and possibly doing temperature checks. Also, hand sanitization on the way in. This is all "normal" everywhere I go now.
In the US many laundromats are unstaffed on a regular basis and often a minimal number of customers at any one time. They aren't going to hire a security guard and nobody is going to apply for a job as an unarmed security to enforce mask mandates at $12 an hour.
Yes I can see the "business" considerations that go into that operational model. Here, after the lockdown, during the phased reopening, businesses had to show they could comply with the new COVID protocols. Seems like that laundromat would still be closed if they put up that argument here.1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »If we thought laundromats were bad, planes seem to be even worse. Once again, someone with Covid symptoms got on a plane on Dec. 14. This one died from Covid while om the plane. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/a-man-with-covid-symptoms-died-on-a-plane-and-the-cdc-is
So the guy checked off he didn't have Covid related symptoms them as the EMTs are taking him off the planr the wife says he had Covid related symptoms including lack of taste and smell?
Someone's going to have some explaining to to why she allowed him to get on the plane without notifying anyone.
I think it’s pretty much understood that he lied to get on the plane. They used fancier language but that’s what the airline said.
Yeah, I'd like to see the widow changed with something. Per the article she knew he had symptoms.
So he lied, she's responsible?
Sure.
As I understand the story, they were traveling together, both filled out the forms, she knew he had symptoms and was lying (if not, he couldn't travel), and when he had a medical emergency on the plane she acknowledged that he had obvious covid symptoms before.
I don't know how much of this is confirmed -- too much seems to rely on Twitter, for example, and I don't trust stuff people claim on Twitter (are there lots of people who would pretend to be passengers with inside information for attention or to make a point on Twitter? yes, sadly) -- but to the extent it is true, she is certainly has some moral responsibility.
Agree as I mentioned above, I was making the assumption that the story was true as presented (I did look and CNN, The New York Times, Newsweek, Washington Post among others all ran basically the same story). And if she knew he had symptoms she would be considered a close contact and should be quarantining herself. I don't know the particular questions United asks before boarding but at my doctor's office, Red Cross blood donation, etc. they asked it I was a close contact and if I was would not be seen.
She knew she was a close contact and if that question was asked she lied about that in addition to not doing the right thing and not letting him board the flight.
Not that it matters but how old was this couple and why oh why was this trip so important to them, to risk so much?? He wasn't tested for Covid, even though he was having symptoms? Did the couple think if they ignored it all, it'd just go away? So so sad.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I don’t know what it is about laundromats. My daughter says there are a lot of unmasked people there when she goes too. As far as cough drops go, my mother and husband have them all the time. I guess it helps with dry mouth issues. 🤷🏻♀️
Laundromats, just like any other building, should have a security officer at the door insisting on a mask before entering and possibly doing temperature checks. Also, hand sanitization on the way in. This is all "normal" everywhere I go now.
In the US many laundromats are unstaffed on a regular basis and often a minimal number of customers at any one time. They aren't going to hire a security guard and nobody is going to apply for a job as an unarmed security to enforce mask mandates at $12 an hour.
Yes I can see the "business" considerations that go into that operational model. Here, after the lockdown, during the phased reopening, businesses had to show they could comply with the new COVID protocols. Seems like that laundromat would still be closed if they put up that argument here.
Around here, people in houses/condos (but for older, non reno'd houses, and even many or most of these will have a washer and dryer in the basement these days) will usually have a washer and dryer. Those in apartment buildings will usually have a room with washers and dryers. Those who use laundromats usually have little choice, and often will be less well off people (less likely to have a car than the average city resident, probably). I used one for a year when I lived in an apartment in an old 2-flat. Don't really think I would have been better off with no laundromat, or with fewer open ones (I did not have a car at the time), or with the laundromat I used having very limited hours in which everyone had to go so there could be a security guard at the door (when I went there usually weren't many people there).9 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »If we thought laundromats were bad, planes seem to be even worse. Once again, someone with Covid symptoms got on a plane on Dec. 14. This one died from Covid while om the plane. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/a-man-with-covid-symptoms-died-on-a-plane-and-the-cdc-is
So the guy checked off he didn't have Covid related symptoms them as the EMTs are taking him off the planr the wife says he had Covid related symptoms including lack of taste and smell?
Someone's going to have some explaining to to why she allowed him to get on the plane without notifying anyone.
I think it’s pretty much understood that he lied to get on the plane. They used fancier language but that’s what the airline said.
Yeah, I'd like to see the widow changed with something. Per the article she knew he had symptoms.
So he lied, she's responsible?
Sure.
Assuming the report is true as written (and of course we all know what happens when we assume), yes I feel she is. If he had been tested (or the test was returned earlier) she was a close contact and would not have met the criteria to fly either. If she was honest since she stated he had Covid that meant she lied filling out her own survey.
She let a person that she knew that had all the symptoms get on a plane without stopping him. To me if someone dies or is seriously harmed due to this it's pretty much the same situation as a host letting a guest drive drunk.
Yes, whenever I go into the VA they ask me about close contacts and presumably the airline did as well.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »If we thought laundromats were bad, planes seem to be even worse. Once again, someone with Covid symptoms got on a plane on Dec. 14. This one died from Covid while om the plane. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/a-man-with-covid-symptoms-died-on-a-plane-and-the-cdc-is
I'm reading the Twitter feed of a woman who was on that flight and am loving the comments by some Australians:
"Australia here. Why are you guys flying anywhere? 300K dead and you all think it’s a good idea to visit someone or take a work trip? Oz has 3 times less dead in 9 months than the US has in just one day. Time to take this pandemic seriously folks."23 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I must apologize for my earlier rants. Every December I get a little hot with the anniversary of my dad passing and him leaving me with the mantel...there is nobody left except me and trying to do the best I can with my wife and kids. @snowflake954 ...happy birthday...I love this community...love you guys...happy holidays, merry Christmas...and happy anything else you celebrate...see you on the flip of a new year...Hugs everyone....
FWIW, that (earlier post) didn't sound like you, based on history.
I think this is a tough time of year for a lot of people. Sure is, for me (year-end holidays always are). I empathize with the "short fuse" idea you've implied. Add on that this is a tough, tough year for almost everyone . . . well, I think we need to each give ourselves a bit of grace, and (bigger) give other people that same bit of grace (if not more, because we don't know their circumstances) . . . in the moments where we have the personal strengths to grant that grace to either, which is far from always.
Like you, I routinely struggle in December. December 3 is my wedding anniversary. This year it was anniversary #43, for a marriage that ended in my beloved spouse's death, in year (almost) 21 of marriage, and more years than that of being together. Parents deceased, spouse deceased, no children, only child, I fight low moods at Christmas/New Years, don't always win.
It's even harder at this holiday season: Usually, the continuing love and kindness of my in-laws, who kept me after spouse's death, are a great comfort. This year, I can't be with them; I'm by myself. My emphatic plan is to do the absolute best with that, that I can manage, in part as tribute to their (and others') kindness. Not easy, for me; working at it.
This has (bleep)-all to do with the topic of this thread. Apologies, to those who care about that. Wishing all happy holidays, with gratitude for the plenty I truly have.
Well, as the person who started this thread I have no problem with it morphing into anything COVID related and especially the emotional challenges that go with dealing with this pandemic :flowerforyou:18 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I don’t know what it is about laundromats. My daughter says there are a lot of unmasked people there when she goes too. As far as cough drops go, my mother and husband have them all the time. I guess it helps with dry mouth issues. 🤷🏻♀️
Laundromats, just like any other building, should have a security officer at the door insisting on a mask before entering and possibly doing temperature checks. Also, hand sanitization on the way in. This is all "normal" everywhere I go now.
In the US many laundromats are unstaffed on a regular basis and often a minimal number of customers at any one time. They aren't going to hire a security guard and nobody is going to apply for a job as an unarmed security to enforce mask mandates at $12 an hour.
Yes I can see the "business" considerations that go into that operational model. Here, after the lockdown, during the phased reopening, businesses had to show they could comply with the new COVID protocols. Seems like that laundromat would still be closed if they put up that argument here.
Around here, people in houses/condos (but for older, non reno'd houses, and even many or most of these will have a washer and dryer in the basement these days) will usually have a washer and dryer. Those in apartment buildings will usually have a room with washers and dryers. Those who use laundromats usually have little choice, and often will be less well off people (less likely to have a car than the average city resident, probably). I used one for a year when I lived in an apartment in an old 2-flat. Don't really think I would have been better off with no laundromat, or with fewer open ones (I did not have a car at the time), or with the laundromat I used having very limited hours in which everyone had to go so there could be a security guard at the door (when I went there usually weren't many people there).
True representation of people using laundromats, but would add long-term travelers (by cheap means) as well.
In my case, I sold my house in Iowa in 2019 and moved to Tennessee for work. Here, I rent a duplex. It has washer/dryer hookups, but I haven't bought them because I only planned to be here for a year and the size that would fit through the door to that closet (where the hookups are) is likely going to be the small stackable models. Those are very expensive, even if I can find one used. That might be alright if it was permanent, but I have no idea what situation I'll end up living in next. Nor do I want to deal with moving them... especially if I won't need them. I've ended up being here more than a year, but will still move again sometime soon.9 -
kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »If we thought laundromats were bad, planes seem to be even worse. Once again, someone with Covid symptoms got on a plane on Dec. 14. This one died from Covid while om the plane. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/a-man-with-covid-symptoms-died-on-a-plane-and-the-cdc-is
I'm reading the Twitter feed of a woman who was on that flight and am loving the comments by some Australians:
"Australia here. Why are you guys flying anywhere? 300K dead and you all think it’s a good idea to visit someone or take a work trip? Oz has 3 times less dead in 9 months than the US has in just one day. Time to take this pandemic seriously folks."
I’ve got to agree. Why is anyone flying on commercial flights in the US? It really doesn’t make sense.
My daughter flies a lot for her job. Her company quit flights back in March. She hasn’t gone anywhere in 2020.
I’m pretty sure a lot of Americans are taking this seriously. I don’t know anyone that has flown this year. I only know 2 people that have left the state in 2020 and they drove. I personally, don’t even agree with that.8 -
missysippy930 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »If we thought laundromats were bad, planes seem to be even worse. Once again, someone with Covid symptoms got on a plane on Dec. 14. This one died from Covid while om the plane. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/a-man-with-covid-symptoms-died-on-a-plane-and-the-cdc-is
I'm reading the Twitter feed of a woman who was on that flight and am loving the comments by some Australians:
"Australia here. Why are you guys flying anywhere? 300K dead and you all think it’s a good idea to visit someone or take a work trip? Oz has 3 times less dead in 9 months than the US has in just one day. Time to take this pandemic seriously folks."
I’ve got to agree. Why is anyone flying on commercial flights in the US? It really doesn’t make sense.
My daughter flies a lot for her job. Her company quit flights back in March. She hasn’t gone anywhere in 2020.
I’m pretty sure a lot of Americans are taking this seriously. I don’t know anyone that has flown this year. I only know 2 people that have left the state in 2020 and they drove. I personally, don’t even agree with that.
Kind of like that story about the young woman in the Cayman Islands. Cayman Islands rely on two things for their economy -- offshore banking and tourism. They are not a poor nation (though they are technically a UK territory, they govern themselves).
If you haven't heard about this story, it was a younger US college student and her boyfriend. If you go to the Cayman's you're required (with electronic tech) to self quarantine. They know if you're not doing it by the leg cuff, like house arrest. Anyway, this girl said she needed it looser, I suppose because it was hurting her allegedly. No, it was so she could intentionally slip it off and go to a ski thing with her boyfriend without a mask for 12 hours.
Well, she was found out and now faces two years in jail over there. And her family is crying it's just a "tragic mistake". No sympathy at all. Her vacay versus the economy of an entire territory. Had she infected 100s of people, it would have been like "my bad...". Like that's excusable. This is the type of stuff gives Americans a very bad reputation abroad.
I'm not naive, though. It's not just the US. I have many UK online friends that are very mad that the youth escaped the area of lockdown for the new, highly contagious variety of Covid-19. Same thing that happened in Italy early on.
You do have to wonder if every country had leadership like in Australia or even Germany for that matter. Germany has had 300 deaths per 1M residents. The US is around 1000 deaths per 1M. Around 3X as high. Why? Germany had a scientist leading the nation, did strict testing and had contract tracing, as well as uniformity of messaging, from day one. Do the simple math on that one. Better leadership would have likely saved 200K lives or more. 400K by the time this is all over.22 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »If we thought laundromats were bad, planes seem to be even worse. Once again, someone with Covid symptoms got on a plane on Dec. 14. This one died from Covid while om the plane. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/a-man-with-covid-symptoms-died-on-a-plane-and-the-cdc-is
I'm reading the Twitter feed of a woman who was on that flight and am loving the comments by some Australians:
"Australia here. Why are you guys flying anywhere? 300K dead and you all think it’s a good idea to visit someone or take a work trip? Oz has 3 times less dead in 9 months than the US has in just one day. Time to take this pandemic seriously folks."
I’ve got to agree. Why is anyone flying on commercial flights in the US? It really doesn’t make sense.
My daughter flies a lot for her job. Her company quit flights back in March. She hasn’t gone anywhere in 2020.
I’m pretty sure a lot of Americans are taking this seriously. I don’t know anyone that has flown this year. I only know 2 people that have left the state in 2020 and they drove. I personally, don’t even agree with that.
Kind of like that story about the young woman in the Cayman Islands. Cayman Islands rely on two things for their economy -- offshore banking and tourism. They are not a poor nation (though they are technically a UK territory, they govern themselves).
If you haven't heard about this story, it was a younger US college student and her boyfriend. If you go to the Cayman's you're required (with electronic tech) to self quarantine. They know if you're not doing it by the leg cuff, like house arrest. Anyway, this girl said she needed it looser, I suppose because it was hurting her allegedly. No, it was so she could intentionally slip it off and go to a ski thing with her boyfriend without a mask for 12 hours.
Well, she was found out and now faces two years in jail over there. And her family is crying it's just a "tragic mistake". No sympathy at all. Her vacay versus the economy of an entire territory. Had she infected 100s of people, it would have been like "my bad...". Like that's excusable. This is the type of stuff gives Americans a very bad reputation abroad.
I'm not naive, though. It's not just the US. I have many UK online friends that are very mad that the youth escaped the area of lockdown for the new, highly contagious variety of Covid-19. Same thing that happened in Italy early on.
You do have to wonder if every country had leadership like in Australia or even Germany for that matter. Germany has had 300 deaths per 1M residents. The US is around 1000 deaths per 1M. Around 3X as high. Why? Germany had a scientist leading the nation, did strict testing and had contract tracing, as well as uniformity of messaging, from day one. Do the simple math on that one. Better leadership would have likely saved 200K lives or more. 400K by the time this is all over.
She ended up getting 4 months in jail. I said she should have gotten the full 2 years. She also could have faced a fine of $10K, but instead just had a smaller fine to pay for her quarantine after her arrest at the event.
She intentionally removed the tracker and went maskless to a sporting event. The only way this could have been any more egregious is if she had actually tested positive or had symptoms.10 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »If we thought laundromats were bad, planes seem to be even worse. Once again, someone with Covid symptoms got on a plane on Dec. 14. This one died from Covid while om the plane. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/a-man-with-covid-symptoms-died-on-a-plane-and-the-cdc-is
I'm reading the Twitter feed of a woman who was on that flight and am loving the comments by some Australians:
"Australia here. Why are you guys flying anywhere? 300K dead and you all think it’s a good idea to visit someone or take a work trip? Oz has 3 times less dead in 9 months than the US has in just one day. Time to take this pandemic seriously folks."
I’ve got to agree. Why is anyone flying on commercial flights in the US? It really doesn’t make sense.
My daughter flies a lot for her job. Her company quit flights back in March. She hasn’t gone anywhere in 2020.
I’m pretty sure a lot of Americans are taking this seriously. I don’t know anyone that has flown this year. I only know 2 people that have left the state in 2020 and they drove. I personally, don’t even agree with that.
Kind of like that story about the young woman in the Cayman Islands. Cayman Islands rely on two things for their economy -- offshore banking and tourism. They are not a poor nation (though they are technically a UK territory, they govern themselves).
If you haven't heard about this story, it was a younger US college student and her boyfriend. If you go to the Cayman's you're required (with electronic tech) to self quarantine. They know if you're not doing it by the leg cuff, like house arrest. Anyway, this girl said she needed it looser, I suppose because it was hurting her allegedly. No, it was so she could intentionally slip it off and go to a ski thing with her boyfriend without a mask for 12 hours.
Well, she was found out and now faces two years in jail over there. And her family is crying it's just a "tragic mistake". No sympathy at all. Her vacay versus the economy of an entire territory. Had she infected 100s of people, it would have been like "my bad...". Like that's excusable. This is the type of stuff gives Americans a very bad reputation abroad.
I'm not naive, though. It's not just the US. I have many UK online friends that are very mad that the youth escaped the area of lockdown for the new, highly contagious variety of Covid-19. Same thing that happened in Italy early on.
You do have to wonder if every country had leadership like in Australia or even Germany for that matter. Germany has had 300 deaths per 1M residents. The US is around 1000 deaths per 1M. Around 3X as high. Why? Germany had a scientist leading the nation, did strict testing and had contract tracing, as well as uniformity of messaging, from day one. Do the simple math on that one. Better leadership would have likely saved 200K lives or more. 400K by the time this is all over.
She ended up getting 4 months in jail. I said she should have gotten the full 2 years. She also could have faced a fine of $10K, but instead just had a smaller fine to pay for her quarantine after her arrest at the event.
She intentionally removed the tracker and went maskless to a sporting event. The only way this could have been any more egregious is if she had actually tested positive or had symptoms.
I wish she had gotten 2 years too. I suppose there goes medical school? She was supposedly a Pre-Med major, so not a dummy. Just very selfish.10 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »If we thought laundromats were bad, planes seem to be even worse. Once again, someone with Covid symptoms got on a plane on Dec. 14. This one died from Covid while om the plane. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/a-man-with-covid-symptoms-died-on-a-plane-and-the-cdc-is
I'm reading the Twitter feed of a woman who was on that flight and am loving the comments by some Australians:
"Australia here. Why are you guys flying anywhere? 300K dead and you all think it’s a good idea to visit someone or take a work trip? Oz has 3 times less dead in 9 months than the US has in just one day. Time to take this pandemic seriously folks."
I’ve got to agree. Why is anyone flying on commercial flights in the US? It really doesn’t make sense.
My daughter flies a lot for her job. Her company quit flights back in March. She hasn’t gone anywhere in 2020.
I’m pretty sure a lot of Americans are taking this seriously. I don’t know anyone that has flown this year. I only know 2 people that have left the state in 2020 and they drove. I personally, don’t even agree with that.
Kind of like that story about the young woman in the Cayman Islands. Cayman Islands rely on two things for their economy -- offshore banking and tourism. They are not a poor nation (though they are technically a UK territory, they govern themselves).
If you haven't heard about this story, it was a younger US college student and her boyfriend. If you go to the Cayman's you're required (with electronic tech) to self quarantine. They know if you're not doing it by the leg cuff, like house arrest. Anyway, this girl said she needed it looser, I suppose because it was hurting her allegedly. No, it was so she could intentionally slip it off and go to a ski thing with her boyfriend without a mask for 12 hours.
Well, she was found out and now faces two years in jail over there. And her family is crying it's just a "tragic mistake". No sympathy at all. Her vacay versus the economy of an entire territory. Had she infected 100s of people, it would have been like "my bad...". Like that's excusable. This is the type of stuff gives Americans a very bad reputation abroad.
I'm not naive, though. It's not just the US. I have many UK online friends that are very mad that the youth escaped the area of lockdown for the new, highly contagious variety of Covid-19. Same thing that happened in Italy early on.
You do have to wonder if every country had leadership like in Australia or even Germany for that matter. Germany has had 300 deaths per 1M residents. The US is around 1000 deaths per 1M. Around 3X as high. Why? Germany had a scientist leading the nation, did strict testing and had contract tracing, as well as uniformity of messaging, from day one. Do the simple math on that one. Better leadership would have likely saved 200K lives or more. 400K by the time this is all over.
She ended up getting 4 months in jail. I said she should have gotten the full 2 years. She also could have faced a fine of $10K, but instead just had a smaller fine to pay for her quarantine after her arrest at the event.
She intentionally removed the tracker and went maskless to a sporting event. The only way this could have been any more egregious is if she had actually tested positive or had symptoms.
I wish she had gotten 2 years too. I suppose there goes medical school? She was supposedly a Pre-Med major, so not a dummy. Just very selfish.
Yes, just selfish and entitled.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »If we thought laundromats were bad, planes seem to be even worse. Once again, someone with Covid symptoms got on a plane on Dec. 14. This one died from Covid while om the plane. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/a-man-with-covid-symptoms-died-on-a-plane-and-the-cdc-is
I'm reading the Twitter feed of a woman who was on that flight and am loving the comments by some Australians:
"Australia here. Why are you guys flying anywhere? 300K dead and you all think it’s a good idea to visit someone or take a work trip? Oz has 3 times less dead in 9 months than the US has in just one day. Time to take this pandemic seriously folks."
I’ve got to agree. Why is anyone flying on commercial flights in the US? It really doesn’t make sense.
My daughter flies a lot for her job. Her company quit flights back in March. She hasn’t gone anywhere in 2020.
I’m pretty sure a lot of Americans are taking this seriously. I don’t know anyone that has flown this year. I only know 2 people that have left the state in 2020 and they drove. I personally, don’t even agree with that.
Kind of like that story about the young woman in the Cayman Islands. Cayman Islands rely on two things for their economy -- offshore banking and tourism. They are not a poor nation (though they are technically a UK territory, they govern themselves).
If you haven't heard about this story, it was a younger US college student and her boyfriend. If you go to the Cayman's you're required (with electronic tech) to self quarantine. They know if you're not doing it by the leg cuff, like house arrest. Anyway, this girl said she needed it looser, I suppose because it was hurting her allegedly. No, it was so she could intentionally slip it off and go to a ski thing with her boyfriend without a mask for 12 hours.
Well, she was found out and now faces two years in jail over there. And her family is crying it's just a "tragic mistake". No sympathy at all. Her vacay versus the economy of an entire territory. Had she infected 100s of people, it would have been like "my bad...". Like that's excusable. This is the type of stuff gives Americans a very bad reputation abroad.
I'm not naive, though. It's not just the US. I have many UK online friends that are very mad that the youth escaped the area of lockdown for the new, highly contagious variety of Covid-19. Same thing that happened in Italy early on.
You do have to wonder if every country had leadership like in Australia or even Germany for that matter. Germany has had 300 deaths per 1M residents. The US is around 1000 deaths per 1M. Around 3X as high. Why? Germany had a scientist leading the nation, did strict testing and had contract tracing, as well as uniformity of messaging, from day one. Do the simple math on that one. Better leadership would have likely saved 200K lives or more. 400K by the time this is all over.
She ended up getting 4 months in jail. I said she should have gotten the full 2 years. She also could have faced a fine of $10K, but instead just had a smaller fine to pay for her quarantine after her arrest at the event.
She intentionally removed the tracker and went maskless to a sporting event. The only way this could have been any more egregious is if she had actually tested positive or had symptoms.
I wish she had gotten 2 years too. I suppose there goes medical school? She was supposedly a Pre-Med major, so not a dummy. Just very selfish.
Yes, just selfish and entitled.
It’s a perception many countries in the world have about Americans.
To me, what’s worse is the fact that her mother kind of condoned her behavior. The punishment is too harsh. Easy to see how the entitlement gets passed on. No personal accountability.
I just read that the US is not going to restrict flights from the UK, in spite of the more contagious strain. How does that even make any sense. As if the spread isn’t bad enough here already. Let’s introduce a faster spreading strain. 🤷🏻♀️10 -
Have similar thing in medical centre where I work in Australia.
Patients not allowed to come in if they have any cold or flu symptoms ( they can have a phone consult or go to A + E if an emergency)
So everyone is asked when they arrive, do you have any cold or flu symptoms?
Sad to say there are patients who answer No and then get in to see doctor.
What can I do for you today?
I have a sore throat and a cough.....
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Having just made a 32 hour road trip this weekend to Brandywine, MD (DC area) by way of Nashville TN through Virginia to pick up a 2015 Nissan Leaf EV to use as a parts car to rebuild our 2016 Leaf SL that got totaled last month due to an 18 year old guy running a red light we saw first hand how coronavirus prep seriousness varies.
To lower our exposure risk we skipped the hotel idea and just got 2 hours of sleep in the truck since the yard did not open to 8 AM then got back on the way to KY. Northern Virigina, DC and Maryland had a lot mask wearers. In TN walking into a Minute Mart wearing a mask could lead to seeing the clerk reaching for the sky and seeing fear on their face. The Covid-19 prep memo DID NOT make it TN!12 -
I too can’t understand why the US would not block all incoming flights from the UK immediately. Would it ruin a political relationship or something? If eu countries are doing so to slow down Cov19 what can be the problem with the US doing so?3 -
Ok so 50, yes that is 50 countries ban travel from the UK, not the US?
Unbelievable absolutely unbelievable.3 -
I too can’t understand why the US would not block all incoming flights from the UK immediately. Would it ruin a political relationship or something? If eu countries are doing so to slow down Cov19 what can be the problem with the US doing so?
Dr. Fauci was interviewed last night on, The News Hour, on PBS. This question came up. He said the vaccine will respond to the mutated forms of the virus. He said that it’s possible, that the mutated form in the UK may already be here, and that they will be checking the tests to see whether it is here already.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Having just made a 32 hour road trip this weekend to Brandywine, MD (DC area) by way of Nashville TN through Virginia to pick up a 2015 Nissan Leaf EV to use as a parts car to rebuild our 2016 Leaf SL that got totaled last month due to an 18 year old guy running a red light we saw first hand how coronavirus prep seriousness varies.
To lower our exposure risk we skipped the hotel idea and just got 2 hours of sleep in the truck since the yard did not open to 8 AM then got back on the way to KY. Northern Virigina, DC and Maryland had a lot mask wearers. In TN walking into a Minute Mart wearing a mask could lead to seeing the clerk reaching for the sky and seeing fear on their face. The Covid-19 prep memo DID NOT make it TN!
Just curious, did you get stopped at any border or during your travels? Glad you made it safely and WTH is up with not wearing masks in TN? Don't people realize it takes a unified effort?3
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