🍁🦃November Dailly Logging and Weigh-in Challenge🏈🍂
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I have struggled the last week with not seeing the scale move how I wanted it to move. I have done well telling myself that the scale is a tool not a dictionary-it doesn't define me. But the last few days I feel the pull of giving up. That is what I typically do, and I don't want to do that anymore.5
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I'm Ashley, or "Ashes". I'm a Midwestern gal (now Cali gal).
Height 5'5"
1st Starting weight SW May 7, 2021: 169 lbs
{Maintenance weight since Mid Feb 2022: 140lbs}
2nd pregnancy final weight: 165 lbs; which was such a shock considering how I was eating and not logging (first pregnancy I ended at 182 lbs)
New SW October 21, 2023: 154.8 lbs
GW for end of Nov: 150 lbs
GW: 132 lbs
Nov 1: 153.2 lbs
Nov 2: 153 lbs
Nov 3: 152.4 lbs anniversary 🎉
Nov 4: 153.6 lbs
Nov 5: 154.4 lbs
Nov 6: DNW- 👶👧 distraction
Nov 7: 152.6 lbs
Nov 15: 152.8 lbs
Nov 16: 153 lbs
Nov 17: 155.2 lbs 🤔
I did have homemade pizza yesterday, but it was within calories. So let's see what happens tomorrow.
I think these spikes are normal. At least they've happened to me each time I've lost weight.
@myhands4God Don't give up! Health is frustrating and not linear. It's hard not to get discouraged, but so worth it.4 -
Hi, I'm a 50+ yo married female, 5'6", and tired of looking and feeling like I do. I’m making changes to get out of the Obese category, to look good in my clothing, and to have confidence in public again.
Heaviest Weight: 221 | Ultimate Goal Weight: 165
Nov 1: 208.3
Nov 2: 209.3
Nov 3: 207.8
Nov 4: 207.0
Nov 5: 207.7
Nov 6: 207.8
Nov 7: 208.3
Nov 8: 206.1
Nov 9: 204.5
Nov 10: 204.6
Nov 11: 204.7 -- I biked for 15 min, and danced for 40 minutes at 120 bpm, which I think I want to continue with. It was good movement and it was fun.
Nov 12: 204.5 -- 1 hour of dancing. 3.5 miles biking/15 min.
Nov 13: 204.4
Nov 14: 204.4
Nov 15: 205.4 -- I slept about 4 hours last night, and had sleepy tea at 3am. Both those things spiked the number, because I ate pretty healthy yesterday. Not stressing it.
Nov 16: 205.9 - Only 4 hours sleep. I'm dealing with stomach issues and it has been keeping me up at night. It also requires food at odd hours, which I'm not happy about. I'm angry the scale number is going up too.
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myhands4God wrote: »I have struggled the last week with not seeing the scale move how I wanted it to move. I have done well telling myself that the scale is a tool not a dictionary-it doesn't define me. But the last few days I feel the pull of giving up. That is what I typically do, and I don't want to do that anymore.
We have all felt this. Weight loss is a long game - it does not come off fast, and it doesn't come off without a lot of hard work and perserverence. The scale is not the only indicator of your health. If you're working out now and weren't previously, sometimes those numbers go up before they start to come down. And they don't come down in big chunks like we want them to. And as you can see from all of the posts on this thread, numbers are going to go up and down throughout the month.
Stick with it. You can do this.
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My name is Donna. I am 5’ 5” tall, 63 years old and from the Michigan USA. In 2016 I weighed 253 lbs. I am on a journey of health and to get back to the real me.
Every healthy habit brings me closer to scratching each of these off to NEVER see them again!
250’s; 240’s; 230’s; 220's; 210's; 200's; 190's; 180’s; 170's; 160's; 150’s
Starting Weight (from Oct 31st): 181.4
Goal: 177.4 (Four lb Loss)
Actual Ending Weight: xxxxx******************************ONE DAY, ONE STEP, ONE DECISION AT A TIME****************************
Weight in blue makes me blue because it’s a gain. Weight in fuchsia pink makes me feel cheery because it’s a loss. Weight in black means no change.
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11/16-179.6-(Trend Weight 183.4)- Thrilled, amazed and grateful to have hit the 170’s today. I worked so hard yesterday on both diet and exercise to give myself the push I needed to get as close as possible. I have not hit the 170’s in over 5 years, since Sept 2018 according to my MFP records. Last time I hit them, it was very short-lived. I never met my 145-155 goal. I never saw the 160’s even. Almost immediately I started to slowly creep back up. I re-gained the most during Covid shut-downs in early 2020. I’m not going to get lax this time. I haven’t met my goal yet in my weight, my size, my BMI or my blood glucose numbers. Everything is getting better but there’s still so much work ahead.
11/17-179.8-(Trend Weight 183.0)- I am up just a blip after beginning to self-sabotage last night. Luckily I kept it to my “approved foods” and stopped before the damage was too bad with a 0.2 lb gain overnight. I’m hanging onto the 170’s by the skin of my teeth. Those of you who know me best know that I will not consider myself in the 170’s solidly until I reach 177 point anything so I still have a ways to go. However, I am grateful for the possibility. Tomorrow I travel by car 4 hours each way with oldest daughter for a medical appointment for her (to the University Hospital). So food will not be at home and there will be lots of sitting. I expect a gain tomorrow. For my mentality I might even skip the weigh-in since the numbers are temporary anyway and not indicative of my true weight. On another note, Thanksgiving is coming up for those of us in America. I’m hoping I can tip-toe all the way up to it, Bang it out on Turkey day, then tip-toe back out without too much lasting damage. The key will be what I keep for leftovers and what I send home with others. Will it be lean turkey that I keep or will it be pie and desserts? Oh boy!
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Happy turkey month! 🦃 In the past 3 months I’ve lost over 10 pounds so far. I’m excited to keep going.
🍂GOALS🍁
💧Drink 3 jugs of water daily
🏃♀️Workout 4Xs a week
🍗Portion control
📆Track daily
Start weight: 146
Month goal: 144
1: 146
2: 146 🏃♀️
3: 145
4: 145
5: 147
6: 144 🏃♀️
7: 146 💪
8: 146
9: 145
10: 146
11: 147
12: 147
13: 146
14: 146 💪
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Thank you for the encouragement I received yesterday. My weight goes up and down a lot but it’s always the same 2kgs being lost and gained again. It took me 12 months to gain 14 kgs which Is 30lb. So I guess patience is key as is persistence. Non scale victories are having more energy. , a few centimetres off my waste, eating better.
Daily weigh in
November goals : 111 kgs
November Start Weight: 114.5
November 1: 114.5 kgs
November 7: 112.6 kgs
November 8: 113 kgs
November 9: 114.2 kgs
November 10: 114.1 kgs
November 11: 113.5 kgs
November 12: 113:4 kgs
November 13: 112.9 kgs
November 14: 113.1 kgs
November 15: 113.2 kgs
November 16: 112.3 kgs
November 17: 114.6 kgs
November 18: 113:3 kgs
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Monthly Habits:
Log all my food 🥙
Work out 3x/week 🏃♀️
8 glasses of water💧
Self Care Activity 🧶
Sept weightloss: 6.7 lbs
Oct weightloss: 3.1 lbs
🍁🍂Nov Monthly goal: lose 2 pounds
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2: 🥙🧶💧 I didn't get much sleep this night so I opted out of a work out and instead of reading a book and heading to bed early. Meal prepped a delish chicken salad and turning in for the night 💤
3: 🥙 🧶my best friend came into town and we had martinis and went to a comedy show. Over in calories but walked the city and overall a great day ❤️
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5: 🥙🧶🏃♀️ Had the best weekend and finished it up with a long walk through the park with one of my kiddos.
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8:🥙💧🧶 Work has been long the last few days but I finished my last presentation this morning and am ready to relax tonight
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12: 🥙🏃♀️💧this was a whirlwind weekend - my daughter was in the community theater production of "Mean Girls" and at this point I've seen the show so many times I could be an understudy...I knew the weekend would be rough and planned in a few workouts and tracked as I went. Ready for a few months without baseball practices and musical rehearsals as we head into the holidays 🎀
13: 🥙💧My Monday was 12 years long lol. But I tracked and didn't fall off track. Making a drink and catching up on some reality TV now🍸
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17: 🥙💧 I've never been so excited for a weekend to come! Happy Friday friends ❤️
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1 176.3 📔🏓💧💕💤
2 175.2 📔🏓💧💕💤
3 176.4📔🏓💧💕💤
4 176.2 📔🏓💧💤
5 172.6 📔🏓🏓🏓💧💤
6 169.8 📔🏓💧💤
7 173.3 📔🏋️♂️💧💤🏃♀️
8 172.1 📔🏓💧💤
9 172.6 📔🏓💧💤
10 172.9 📔🏃♀️💧💤
11 172.0 📔🏋️♂️💧💤
12 172.0 📔🏃♀️💧💤
13 173.2 📔🏓💦💤
14 175.0 🤬🤬🤬🤬📔🏓🏓💦💤 go figure😭 it BETTER be muscle mass!
15 174.2 📔🏓💧💤
16 174.0 📔🏓🏓💧💤💤
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Week 1: 2.0 Lb Loss
Week 2: 0.0 loss/gain
Nov 16: 186.6
Nov 17: 186.0
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Hello I'm Darlene and have been with this group for a few months now. Retired, 63-year-old. Married (Greg), one adult daughter (Allyson), and one goldendoodle (Monty). Been with this group since the spring - my favorite group for support!
My goals for 🦃November🦃 - simplifying them this month - too hard to keep track of everything last month
⚖️ Lose 4 pounds (always my goal) - bringing me out of the obese category and into overweight
👣 17K steps daily with one day of rest
📝 Log Daily
🥗 Stay under my calorie range
⚖️👣📝🥗
Highest Weight: 228
October Ending Weight: 169.6
Nov 1: 171 - 👣 📝 🥗 17K Steps Not off to a good start - but it's temporary!
Nov 2: DNW - 📝 4K Steps Tough day for eating and exercise yesterday. It was our monthly visit to my husband's 91 year old cousin who lives about 2 hours away. Leave at 5:30 AM - have breakfast and lunch with her (not good choices) and then a long drive back home later in the afternoon. We got back home at 6:00. Lovely visit, but it makes for a long day and I am exhausted when I get home. I hit the left over Halloween candy for dinner, no exercise at all, couldn't sleep (probably too much sugar). It's just a temporary situation (didn't I say that yesterday?)! Will get back to it today!
Nov 3: 170.4 👣 📝🥗 23K Steps Good day yesterday; everything on track and on my way back. As a reward for making my 2,023 goal hubby said to get the new Garmin Fitness tracker that I have been eyeing. It came a couple of days ago and I've been trying to figure it out; wearing both the Fitbit and Garmin. Today will switch to totally Garmin. Hubby is getting the Fitbit.
Nov 4: 170.2 👣📝🥗 20K Steps A slow creep in the right direction. Girls day at the casino today - my sisters and aunt are going. Wish me luck! I should still be ok. I'm eating my breakfast before I go, will bring a protein bar and fruit for my lunch and will be home for dinner. And I won't be drinking (I have to drive home).
Nov 5: 170.4 👣📝🥗 20K Steps
Nov 6: 170.6 👣📝🥗 21K Steps Ugh - I've been struggling to see a decrease this week. The only thing I can think of is that I haven't been reaching my water goal. Will concentrate on that today and hope for a whoosh!
Nov 7: 169.6 👣📝🥗 20K Steps Finally back to my October ending weight. Now to keep it below the 170s for good.
Nov 8: 168.4 😁 👣📝🥗 23K Steps My first smile this month! Woo Hoo! Guess who is no longer "obese"! 😉
Nov 9: 169.8 👣📝🥗 21K Steps Expected an uptick, and am actually glad that it is not more. Trivia Night last night (took 2nd place) - over my sodium goal and used all my calories from exercise.
Nov 10: 169.6 👣 📝 🥗 20K Steps
Nov 11: 169.8 👣 📝 🥗 22K Steps A slow creep in the wrong directiion. Went out to dinner, self sabatoge. Time to get back to it!
Nov 12: 169.4 👣📝🥗 20K Steps A beautiful day in Connecticut yesterday. After my morning walk, spent the day cleaning up the yard - harvested the last of the herbs (froze for later), cleaned up the garden, put away the summer yard stuff. Then relaxed the rest of the day. I'm reading Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes again before I go see the movie next week.
Nov 13: 169.4 👣📝🥗 20K Steps A chilly start to the day, but beautiful. Got in 20K steps all week - I love walking in the cold weather. It's bingo night with Mom tonight - I HAVE to resist the desserts that everyone brings - gotta get that scale to move!
Nov 14: 168.4 😁 👣📝🥗 19K Steps
Nov 15: 168.8 👣📝16K Steps
Nov 16: 168.6 👣📝 23K Steps A rough couple of days. Going to visit my Aunt this afternoon (she will have dessert), so having a light breakfast and lunch before I go. Then picking up dinner on the way home. So one more challenging day. Fingers crossed it doesn't do any more damage.
Nov 17: 168.6 👣📝🥗 20K Steps
Nov 18: 168.2😁 👣📝🥗 22K Steps Back on track. Going to start getting ready for Thanksgiving today - have to clean out my office to make room for the buffet table. My Thanksgiving count is now up to 25 - my cousin and his girlfriend and there kids (they each have two) will be joining us as well. Their original plans fell through. Less leftovers! Yahoo! Finished the Ballad of Songbird and Snakes (2nd time reading), in anticipation of seeing the movie tomorrow. Looking forward to it. Haven't been to the movie theater in a long time!
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So, I have been with my dad in the hospital for the past two days. He is still in the ER because there is no bed for him in the ward, but he does have his own room. He is on the high flow O2 so his levels are now acceptable, and he is on antibiotics because they are assuming he is fighting another pneumonia infection. His spirits are pretty good, and he feels good, but he is confined to his bed with all the monitor hook ups. I have not eaten very much the past couple of days, so I am now in Onederland. However, it is also affecting my sleep as I have been awake since three. I live an hour and a half from his hospital, so I am not going today but my sister is. My husband and I will go back on Sunday. I just had some soup and I might try going back to bed now.4
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@deepwoodslady I am so happy for you. I know that you don't count it until you get to 177 - but welcome to the next decade. And I think sometime we just need to "skip" the scale for a day. You got this!
@andreajnhe - Almost to the monthly goal - very impressive.
@myhands4god Please don't give up. Losing weight is really hard. There will be up days and down days. I promise you if you keep at it - it WILL come down. I have been in your shoes so many times. I would have success, then hit a down time and quit. This year I listened to some great advice, and just kept going anyway - it's working.
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My name is Donna. I am 5’ 5” tall, 63 years old and from the Michigan USA. In 2016 I weighed 253 lbs. I am on a journey of health and to get back to the real me.
Every healthy habit brings me closer to scratching each of these off to NEVER see them again!
250’s; 240’s; 230’s; 220's; 210's; 200's; 190's; 180’s; 170's; 160's; 150’s
Starting Weight (from Oct 31st): 181.4
Goal: 177.4 (Four lb Loss)
Actual Ending Weight: xxxxx******************************ONE DAY, ONE STEP, ONE DECISION AT A TIME****************************
Weight in blue makes me blue because it’s a gain. Weight in fuchsia pink makes me feel cheery because it’s a loss. Weight in black means no change.
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11/17-179.8-(Trend Weight 183.0)- I am up just a blip after beginning to self-sabotage last night. Luckily I kept it to my “approved foods” and stopped before the damage was too bad with a 0.2 lb gain overnight. I’m hanging onto the 170’s by the skin of my teeth. Those of you who know me best know that I will not consider myself in the 170’s solidly until I reach 177 point anything so I still have a ways to go. However, I am grateful for the possibility. Tomorrow I travel by car 4 hours each way with oldest daughter for a medical appointment for her (to the University Hospital). So food will not be at home and there will be lots of sitting. I expect a gain tomorrow. For my mentality I might even skip the weigh-in since the numbers are temporary anyway and not indicative of my true weight. On another note, Thanksgiving is coming up for those of us in America. I’m hoping I can tip-toe all the way up to it, Bang it out on Turkey day, then tip-toe back out without too much lasting damage. The key will be what I keep for leftovers and what I send home with others. Will it be lean turkey that I keep or will it be pie and desserts? Oh boy!
11/18-DNW-(Trend Weight DNW)- Awake very early today with not enough time between my last food intake and this post so I did not weigh. Day trip today that is lengthy. I probably will not weigh tomorrow but I will post. Good luck everyone this round. It will be challenging for all those in the U.S.A. with the Thanksgiving holiday weekend. All we can do is our best and then focus on recovery. That’s my plan and I’m stickin’ to it.
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Hello, I’m Jill. 🥰I’m 53, 5’7” and I live in Michigan.
My goals for November🍂 :
⚖️Weigh- in daily
📝Log daily
🙆♀️Stretch daily
Starting weight January 1st: 224.5
January weight lost: 7.7 pounds
February weight lost: 5 pounds
March weight lost: 6 pounds
April weight lost: 6.5 pounds
May weight lost: 2.6 pounds
June weight lost: 1.6 pounds
July weight lost: 1.3 pounds
August weight lost: up 1 pound
September weight loss: 1.8 pounds
October weight loss: up 3.1 pounds
November
1: 201.4
2: 199.7 🦃
3: 200.4
4: 201.1
5: 200😍
6: 201.4
7: 201.6
8: 201.8
9: 201.2
10: 201 I'm below what I started on November 1st. Baby Steps!
11: 202.1 Okay! Working through it. Must avoid leftover Halloween candy!
12: 201.8
13: 202.3
14: 201.7
15: 199.5 😁
16: 200.3
17: 199.8 😁 📝
18: 199.8 😁- 📝Day 2 of consistent logging and taking my vitamins. Feeling good! Holding steady under 200 pounds.
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Hi All, I am a busy mother of five slowly working my way to my goal weight. During September I entered my "Normal" BMI category and am now about 10 pounds from my ultimate goal. This will be my 3rd month in this challenge. I had never weighed myself daily before this challenge, and I am finding it to be so helpful and informative to weigh and check in daily.
My goal for November is to NOT GET DERAILED BY THANKSGIVING. 🦃 🥧 😊 Let me tell you, I can really get derailed by a holiday. I may or may not log on Thanksgiving or the day after, and that's OK. But my Thanksgiving goal is to log daily from Saturday the 25th through the end of the month.
Starting weight September 1: 141.0
Starting weight November 1: 132.8
Goal for November: 130.4 Considering Thanksgiving, I'm setting my goal a tad on the conservative side.
November 1: 132.8 I logged 🍁
November 2: 132.8 I logged 🍁
November 3: 131.4 I logged 🍁 Very happy with today's weight. Over the past week there have been several days that I ate at maintenance, and a couple days I ate well over maintenance. It was hard to tell if I was needlessly eating more, or if I really needed the additional calories. I've already got my activity level set to almost the highest one, and I haven't even gone running or done any exercise for over a week. I guess I walk constantly around the house, dealing with the children and doing housework, always on my feet, and I frequently have to do up and down the stairs to deal with something or put something away, so maybe that burns a lot sometimes. For a while there I thought I was "failing" because I could not hit my calorie goal.
November 4: 131.0 I logged 🍁
November 5: 130.8
November 6: 132.2 I logged 🍁
November 7: 131.8 I logged 🍁
November 8: 131.4 I logged 🍁
November 9: 131.2
November 10: 131.2 I logged 🍁 Had a really bad day yesterday. Ended up overeating and eating too much chocolate. Hopefully it won't cause my weight to spike up. Today is a new day.
November 11: 131.0 I logged 🍁
November 12: 131.2 I logged 🍁 OK, time to break through this number, lol.
November 13: 130.6 I logged 🍁
November 14: 130.2
November 15: 131.6 I logged 🍁
November 16: 131.2 I logged 🍁 There's that familiar number again, lol. Time break through it again, especially these days before Thanksgiving. By the way, for the first time we have a pasture raised grassfed turkey this year for Thanksgiving. I'm looking forward to it.
November 17: 130.2 I logged 🍁 Yessss!! Happy dance.
November 18: 129.4 My scale is doing funny things. I'm not sure how accurate it is. At first it said 131.8 which is possible but unlikely (if the other readings this month were correct). So I got on again and it said 129.4 twice, so I'll go with that. But then I got on again about 30 minutes later and it said 127.0. That's highly unlikely also. Wondering if my scale is just not very good anymore.
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Hello my names Brenda and live in Muskoka Ontario Canada 6 months and Bluffton South Carolina 6 months. Two grown children, one married and one teaching in the uk, and our 11 1/2 year old white lab Tucker. I lost 45 lbs and kept it off but it’s starting to creep. I’m committing to weighing in daily. We have company starting tomorrow for the week , not a great time to start but there never is.
Nov 05 169.6
Nov 06 168.4
Nov 07 167.8
Nov 08 168.6 18 holes golf, out for dinner, Dave Matthew's concert
Nov 09 168.4 good day, felt on point, yoga and over 10k steps
Nov 10 167.4 walked 18 holes 18068 steps
Nov 11 167.4
Nov 12 168.4
Nov 13 167
Nov 14 167
Nov 15 166.8 😁
Nov 16 167
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Nov 18 166.8 out for dinner
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Our bathroom/bedroom remodel continues to dominate our lives for the moment. The occupation of workers and work disrupts normal life. My hope is by Thanksgiving my life will be back to normal.
Week 1: 2.0 Lb Loss
Week 2: 0.0 loss/gain
Nov 16: 186.6
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I'm Ashley, or "Ashes". I'm a Midwestern gal (now Cali gal).
Height 5'5"
1st Starting weight SW May 7, 2021: 169 lbs
{Maintenance weight since Mid Feb 2022: 140lbs}
2nd pregnancy final weight: 165 lbs; which was such a shock considering how I was eating and not logging (first pregnancy I ended at 182 lbs)
New SW October 21, 2023: 154.8 lbs
GW for end of Nov: 150 lbs
GW: 132 lbs
Nov 1: 153.2 lbs
Nov 2: 153 lbs
Nov 3: 152.4 lbs anniversary 🎉
Nov 4: 153.6 lbs
Nov 5: 154.4 lbs
Nov 6: DNW- 👶👧 distraction
Nov 7: 152.6 lbs
Nov 15: 152.8 lbs
Nov 16: 153 lbs
Nov 17: 155.2 lbs 🤔
Nov 18: 153.6 lbs
Spike is sorting itself out. Our bodies desperately wants to stay the weight it is. I think it's common to fight within a 5lb (~2.5kg) range before breaking through that plateau only to settle into another 5lb range fight a little later.4
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