Are you in a Low Carb diet? You need to read this
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You know what I hate about studies like these? They all seem to assume that the only reason a person would go low-carb is to lose weight. That's not why I've limited my carb intake. I choose not to eat many processed foods because a "cleaner" diet simply makes me feel better. I will still occasionally have a slice of pizza or bread or some ice cream or whatever. They just aren't a regular part of my diet because I don't like the way I feel when I eat stuff like that on a regular basis. It's not because I'm afraid of carbs or afraid I will get fat if I eat a donut. It's also not a "diet" or a fad for me. It's just the way I eat. I don't ever intend to go back to eating a lot of processed food.0
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Yes, they are not conclusive, mainly because there is not enough data out there.
But they did state:
"Among the published studies, participant weight loss while using low-carbohydrate diets was principally associated with decreased caloric intake and increased diet duration but not with reduced carbohydrate content. "
In other words, weight reduction is because of low caloric intake. No need to go for a low carb diet to achieve this.
Yes, but they miss the point that to many, low caloric intake is easier to maintain on low carb diets than on low calorie everything in moderations diets. For many reasons.0 -
I recall reading some anecdotal evidence that low carb diets impair thyroid function when used for extended periods of time (like years).
Doesn't really concern me much, they would have to pry pancakes from my cold, dead hands.0 -
People do lose weight on low carb diets. I know from seeing it in my own experiences and observation of body builders in my line of work. What they do not know is that most of the weight they lose is water weight from the body needing it to help flush out ketones from the bodies. (to many ketones can be bad)
I have a friend who lost well over 100 pounds on a low carb diet. I find it very hard to believe that most of that was water.0 -
So basically they said there is no relation between low carb diets and weight loss. Doesn't mean that they don't work for some people. It doesn't say whether or not they are healthy. All it really says is that some organizations fear that the high fat content of a low carb diet can cause health problems. So I guess that means that eating a low carb and lower fat, especially trans and saturated fats, diet is probably fine.
I don't see how this is helping anyone?
I know from my personal experiences that the way for me to control Metabolic Syndrome, PCOS, Diabetes and Thyroid issues is to eat a high fat (yes including a lot of saturated fat), moderate protein, lower carb (all carbs coming from vegetables and fruits).
My lipid profile is GREAT and my triglycerides are very low now.
My only aggravating factor is that because of the PCOS and Thyroid issues my weight loss is dreadfully slow, but now I am ok with that because I am focusing on health.
Well no kidding. Of course you did well on a low carb diet, all diabetics are prescribed a low carb diet for that very reason. That's not rocket surgery. I see you constantly pushing low carb here because of your personal experience, using anecdotal evidence, but claiming everyone else is biased.
Low carb is appropriate for diabetics. It is probably not necessary or beneficial for the rest of the population. You cannot extrapolate your experience to the whole population. Low protein diets are appropriate for end stage renal disease patients, so does this mean everyone should be low protein too? Of course not. Logic 101.
I advocate the way I eat because I don't see where anyone would NOT benefit from eating WHOLE FOODS that come from nature, not canned, packaged, frozen, ready to eat CRAP.
I will continue to speak out against all these corporations and the food manufacturing business. I not so much advocate low carb, but advocate more of eating foods that are natural. I also advocate eating from local sources to keep money in the local economies and away from the large corporations.
And actually you are somewhat wrong about renal disease patients as they are using High Fat, moderate protein, lower carb (coming from whole foods) now days and are able to reverse renal disease using a whole foods approach.0 -
People do lose weight on low carb diets. I know from seeing it in my own experiences and observation of body builders in my line of work. What they do not know is that most of the weight they lose is water weight from the body needing it to help flush out ketones from the bodies. (to many ketones can be bad)
I have a friend who lost well over 100 pounds on a low carb diet. I find it very hard to believe that most of that was water.
It is not, it is fat is mainly fat and some lean body mass. I prepped for my first comp using CKD and was shredded 3 years back.0 -
People do lose weight on low carb diets. I know from seeing it in my own experiences and observation of body builders in my line of work. What they do not know is that most of the weight they lose is water weight from the body needing it to help flush out ketones from the bodies. (to many ketones can be bad)
I have a friend who lost well over 100 pounds on a low carb diet. I find it very hard to believe that most of that was water.
Ha ha, I agree. I made made up of 99% water then also..........in 2003 I lost over 100 pounds on Atkins and was smaller at a higher weight than I previously was at that same weight.
The only reason I am having to lose weight again is because I was hit by a car and was involved in a near fatal car accident in 2008 and I gained a lot of weight back due to depression, poor eating habits and medications that make you gain weight.0 -
As someone studying dietetics the biggest thing that leads to weight loss that ALL STUDIES SHOW is moderation in is less then moderation out (that does not put your body into starvation mode) will lead to weight loss.
People do lose weight on low carb diets. I know from seeing it in my own experiences and observation of body builders in my line of work. What they do not know is that most of the weight they lose is water weight from the body needing it to help flush out ketones from the bodies. (to many ketones can be bad)
I am not saying to stop doing a low carb diet if that is your lifestyle and you enjoy it or the diet has worked for you. I am just passing on information that I have learned from my studies.
The water weight loss is in the first few days..................Geeez. After that first week or so it is FAT loss and some minimal lean body mass (every weight loss plan you lose lean mass to an extent).
And there is nothing dangerous about ketones.0 -
Yes, they are not conclusive, mainly because there is not enough data out there.
But they did state:
"Among the published studies, participant weight loss while using low-carbohydrate diets was principally associated with decreased caloric intake and increased diet duration but not with reduced carbohydrate content. "
In other words, weight reduction is because of low caloric intake. No need to go for a low carb diet to achieve this.
Yes, but they miss the point that to many, low caloric intake is easier to maintain on low carb diets than on low calorie everything in moderations diets. For many reasons.
I was thinking this myself. Simple carbs are very calorie-dense foods. Whatever your calorie goal is, you're going to hit that total with much less food if you're eating a lot of simple carbs than if you stick mostly to unprocessed foods. So yes, you can still lose weight eating donuts and french fries. You're just not going to get to eat very much.
I also think the quality of the food you eat affects your body composition. Losing weight is a simple process (calories in < calories out). Losing FAT while retaining muscle is much more complicated, and it does matter WHAT you eat, not just how MUCH you eat.0 -
Thermodynamically there is no difference - 4 cals per gram of protein or carbs.
However, in the real world and avoiding hunger pangs/blood sugar bounces (where on craves carb based food) a low carb diet will often help this. The main thing in dieting is over eating and the lack of large insulin releases when on a lower carb diet often prevents over eating and many find it easier. What is more, low carb can be sub 20g a day all the way up to 100-150g a day. There is no set 'low' carb diet.
Which creates an issue - studies will not show all the variables it looks at it in a black and white way, not in any shades of grey.
This. I don't follow low carb (I'm usually around 100g/day) but I do follow South Beach and find that avoiding simple carbs prevents cravings and hunger, which in turn makes it much easier to keep calories down.0 -
I hate how people criticize low-carbers for giving up carbs unnecessarily. First off, most of us are not giving them up per se, I eat from 50-100g of carbs a day. Second, I don't have to restrict calories directly when eating low-carb because it better facilitates instinctive eating since it emphasizes more whole foods that are either higher in protein, lower on the GI scale, have more fiber, or are generally less calorically dense. Third, we don't need to eat any foods high in carbohydrate. There is no compelling evidence that a diet high in carbohydrates is necessary to be healthy.0
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I was never able to do low carb. I'm very muscular, and my muscles simply demand fuel. I did change how and what I took in though. I switched from concentrated processed sugars to lower glycemic whole and multigrains. I eat in six divided meals that are approximate in calories.. Even now on high protein to build muscle, I've had to tweak the diet to add in more carbs so that I have the energy to drive these muscles where I need them to go. I've seen people miserable on low carb trying to lean out as much as possible..and I wonder, who are they making happy? Certainly not themselves.. and if you're not happy, how can anyone around you be happy? I don't understand their motivation.. thank goodness.0
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I hate how people criticize low-carbers for giving up carbs unnecessarily. First off, most of us are not giving them up per se, I eat from 50-100g of carbs a day.
My MIL is on one of those fad diets. (She has lost 100 pounds twice on Weight Watchers, and now she is trying to lose a third time via the low carb method.) She was over for dinner the other night. We eat challah, which is a sweet bread for our sabbath. I had forgotten to take out her low carb pitas from the freezer. She refused to take even a tiny nibble of the bread while it was defrosting. (Give me a break. The stupid pitas defrost in like 15 seconds!) Anyway, my hubby commented, "Even anorexic over there will eat the challah." (That is his nickname for me because he thinks I am too thin.)
Yet she sat there at dinner and ate probably 2 pounds of ground meat mixed with peppers. I have read up on the no carbs/low carbs diets. (Why We Get Fat, etc.) For me personally, low carbs is awful. I am constantly hungry. I NEED carbs, and I have dropped a lot of weight following the GI diet. (I've been following it for years, because I have low blood sugar issues in the afternoon.) I also think portion control and exercise matter more than anything else. (Except maybe eating a ton of junk like cake and cookies and soda.) Just my two cents, for what it is worth.0 -
I was never able to do low carb. I'm very muscular, and my muscles simply demand fuel. I did change how and what I took in though. I switched from concentrated processed sugars to lower glycemic whole and multigrains. I eat in six divided meals that are approximate in calories.. Even now on high protein to build muscle, I've had to tweak the diet to add in more carbs so that I have the energy to drive these muscles where I need them to go. I've seen people miserable on low carb trying to lean out as much as possible..and I wonder, who are they making happy? Certainly not themselves.. and if you're not happy, how can anyone around you be happy? I don't understand their motivation.. thank goodness.
ITA! And I am not totally muscular.0 -
Yet she sat there at dinner and ate probably 2 pounds of ground meat mixed with peppers. I have read up on the no carbs/low carbs diets. (Why We Get Fat, etc.) For me personally, low carbs is awful. I am constantly hungry. I NEED carbs, and I have dropped a lot of weight following the GI diet. (I've been following it for years, because I have low blood sugar issues in the afternoon.) I also think portion control and exercise matter more than anything else. (Except maybe eating a ton of junk like cake and cookies and soda.) Just my two cents, for what it is worth.
I've read that to some extent there are two phenotypes, one that functions better on high-fat diets, and one that functions better on low-carb diets and is sort of alluded to in "The Carnivore Connection hypothesis" and a couple of studies out there as well.
Back when I was eating high-carb I was hungry all the time and used to have crazy late night binges on carbs. I was always starving about 2 hours after a high-carb meal. Calorie restriction was next to impossible for me because I would act irrationally when the cravings kicked in.
Eating low-carb, when I eat a big protein meal, I am usually satisfied for hours and hunger is a more gradual process. I can maintain without even counting calories.0 -
People do lose weight on low carb diets. I know from seeing it in my own experiences and observation of body builders in my line of work. What they do not know is that most of the weight they lose is water weight from the body needing it to help flush out ketones from the bodies. (to many ketones can be bad)
I have a friend who lost well over 100 pounds on a low carb diet. I find it very hard to believe that most of that was water.
Yeah, I've lost 68 pounds of water! :laugh:0 -
My intention for posting this study from Stanford, was to give another piece of information to low-carb dieters, so that they can better make a decision.
I am concerned at a personal level, that some low-carb dieters are going to extremes that may be unhealthy, as the study quotes from several medical associations.
However, I am not going to try to convince anyone here of not doing low carbs; several years ago, experimenting like many with diets, I did try the low carb diet.
If I had been informed at the time, as the study shows, that weight reduction is not improved by a low-carb diet, I would not have tried it.
I just wished that MFP or similar had been available before !
MFP gives me the opportunity to reduce weight, while keeping a Balanced diet. No need for low carbs, or low protein, or any extreme diet.
Concentrating in only the carbs, I would be missing the whole picture. Now that I use MFP, I also monitor Sodium, Fiber, Cholesterol, Fat.
Again, that is my way and I wish everyone the best of luck with their diets ! :bigsmile:
I am happy to have the study out, and everyone can make their own decision.0 -
There is absolutely no need to severely restrict the Carbs.
Why would anyone want to subject their body to an unnatural way of eating, if there is no clear advantage of doing so?
I missed this originally, but I find this statement very laughable. So you're saying the western balanced diet full of processed foods is natural?0 -
My intention for posting this study from Stanford, was to give another piece of information to low-carb dieters, so that they can better make a decision.
I am concerned at a personal level, that some low-carb dieters are going to extremes that may be unhealthy, as the study quotes from several medical associations.
However, I am not going to try to convince anyone here of not doing low carbs; several years ago, experimenting like many with diets, I did try the low carb diet.
If I had been informed at the time, as the study shows, that weight reduction is not improved by a low-carb diet, I would not have tried it.
I just wished that MFP or similar had been available before !
MFP gives me the opportunity to reduce weight, while keeping a Balanced diet. No need for low carbs, or low protein, or any extreme diet.
Concentrating in only the carbs, I would be missing the whole picture. Now that I use MFP, I also monitor Sodium, Fiber, Cholesterol, Fat.
Again, that is my way and I wish everyone the best of luck with their diets ! :bigsmile:
I am happy to have the study out, and everyone can make their own decision.
Disease started to show it's face when agriculture was developed(carbs). Before then, there was no disease.
Not sure how your response is related to the quote.
I am sure your response will get many to answer here, as it is surely controversial to state agriculture is what caused disease ! :huh:
I want to re-iterate my point:
Not trying to convince anyone, just to inform.0 -
Disease started to show it's face when agriculture was developed(carbs). Before then, there was no disease.
Where are you getting your information?
Or are you just pulling **** out of your *kitten*, as usual?Two million years ago, man was a terrestrial creature
probably no more numerous than the chimpanzees of
today. He lived in small bands and ate whatever he could
gather, kill, or find as carrion, Some of his infections
were those handed down from his nonhuman primate
ancestor and were probably much the same as those of
the apes of his time living in the same environment.
These infections have been outlined above. Among the
other infections to which he was exposed would be
parasites acquired by eating raw many kinds of insects,
birds, and mammals. He would also have been
vulnerable to what are today called the Zoonoses,
infections of other animals transmitted to man by ticks,
mites, mosquitoes, and other biting arthropods. Two
zoonoses that probably occurred are anthrax and
botulism.
Cockburn, T. A. Infectious disease in ancient populations. Current Anthropology 12(1): 45-62, 1971.0 -
There is absolutely no need to severely restrict the Carbs.
Why would anyone want to subject their body to an unnatural way of eating, if there is no clear advantage of doing so?
I missed this originally, but I find this statement very laughable. So you're saying the western balanced diet full of processed foods is natural?
I did not mention a Western balanced diet, or recommended processed foods !
Where did you read that? :huh:0 -
I agree that moderation and common sense are the keys. Personally, I changed my eating lifestyle with the Belly Fat Cure. I limit my carbs to less than 120 grams/day but more importantly less than 15 grams of sugar/day. This has enabled me to drop 35 lbs and size 40 to size 36 pants without exercise. Excess carbs/sugar are turned into fat by your body, good fat can help you get rid of belly fat. I feel better and am eating healthier without sugar.0
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There is absolutely no need to severely restrict the Carbs.
Why would anyone want to subject their body to an unnatural way of eating, if there is no clear advantage of doing so?
I missed this originally, but I find this statement very laughable. So you're saying the western balanced diet full of processed foods is natural?
I did not mention a Western balanced diet, or recommended processed foods !
Where did you read that? :huh:
So do you advocate a diet of only organic whole foods and cutting out pretty much all whole grain foods? Anything else would be unnatural.0 -
There is absolutely no need to severely restrict the Carbs.
Why would anyone want to subject their body to an unnatural way of eating, if there is no clear advantage of doing so?
I missed this originally, but I find this statement very laughable. So you're saying the western balanced diet full of processed foods is natural?
I did not mention a Western balanced diet, or recommended processed foods !
Where did you read that? :huh:
So do you advocate a diet of only organic whole foods and cutting out pretty much all whole grain foods? Anything else would be unnatural.
I do think that whole foods are good for you.
Don't you?
Organic? That is a whole different topic :bigsmile:
Whole grain foods not natural? Again, a different and VERY controversial statement :huh:
My point, again, is that extreme diets and the promise of a magic solution, could be dangerous.
I sent the study so that low-carb dieters can better make their decisions. It is up to them.0 -
Disease started to show it's face when agriculture was developed(carbs). Before then, there was no disease.
Where are you getting your information?
Or are you just pulling **** out of your *kitten*, as usual?
You're pulling it out of yours. I am tired of educating you. I am just going to block you ron, all you do is talk. Anyone can say "that's bs" yet you don't prove anything, "that's bs, this is bs, etc..." as i stated with no evidence to prove it's bs. Talk is cheap ron.
You consistently make **** up without ANY evidence to support your claims.
Like I've repeatedly told you, the burden of proof falls on the person making the positive claim.
Get it yet?0 -
There is absolutely no need to severely restrict the Carbs.
Why would anyone want to subject their body to an unnatural way of eating, if there is no clear advantage of doing so?
I missed this originally, but I find this statement very laughable. So you're saying the western balanced diet full of processed foods is natural?
I did not mention a Western balanced diet, or recommended processed foods !
Where did you read that? :huh:
So do you advocate a diet of only organic whole foods and cutting out pretty much all whole grain foods? Anything else would be unnatural.
I do think that whole foods are good for you.
Don't you?
Organic? That is a whole different topic :bigsmile:
Whole grain foods not natural? Again, a different and VERY controversial statement :huh:
My point, again, is that extreme diets and the promise of a magic solution, could be dangerous.
I sent the study so that low-carb dieters can better make their decisions. It is up to them.
Whole grain foods can not be picked and eaten straight from the field, so NO not a whole food. In some cases (where beans and grains have been soaked or fermented) then they are minimally processed, but in bread, crackers, cookies and the like - very highly processed and I stay far, far away from.
I made my decision in 2003 when my doctor said it is low carb for life or resort to insulin shots.............No thanks, I am not letting my body get dependent on pharmaceuticals.
I like Hippocrates quote the best...............Let food be thy medicine and let thy medicine be thy food.0 -
My intention for posting this study from Stanford, was to give another piece of information to low-carb dieters, so that they can better make a decision.
I am concerned at a personal level, that some low-carb dieters are going to extremes that may be unhealthy, as the study quotes from several medical associations.
However, I am not going to try to convince anyone here of not doing low carbs; several years ago, experimenting like many with diets, I did try the low carb diet.
If I had been informed at the time, as the study shows, that weight reduction is not improved by a low-carb diet, I would not have tried it.
I just wished that MFP or similar had been available before !
MFP gives me the opportunity to reduce weight, while keeping a Balanced diet. No need for low carbs, or low protein, or any extreme diet.
Concentrating in only the carbs, I would be missing the whole picture. Now that I use MFP, I also monitor Sodium, Fiber, Cholesterol, Fat.
Again, that is my way and I wish everyone the best of luck with their diets ! :bigsmile:
I am happy to have the study out, and everyone can make their own decision.
Disease started to show it's face when agriculture was developed(carbs). Before then, there was no disease.
In what universe?0 -
There is absolutely no need to severely restrict the Carbs.
Why would anyone want to subject their body to an unnatural way of eating, if there is no clear advantage of doing so?
I missed this originally, but I find this statement very laughable. So you're saying the western balanced diet full of processed foods is natural?
I did not mention a Western balanced diet, or recommended processed foods !
Where did you read that? :huh:
So do you advocate a diet of only organic whole foods and cutting out pretty much all whole grain foods? Anything else would be unnatural.
I do think that whole foods are good for you.
Don't you?
Organic? That is a whole different topic :bigsmile:
Whole grain foods not natural? Again, a different and VERY controversial statement :huh:
My point, again, is that extreme diets and the promise of a magic solution, could be dangerous.
I sent the study so that low-carb dieters can better make their decisions. It is up to them.
Most whole grain foods are simply foods that *contain* whole grains. They are highly processed as well as you can see all the additional ingredients. Do you think a loaf of whole wheat bread grows out of the ground? So your argument about low-carb diets being unnatural is highly incorrect. That is my point.0 -
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller33.1.html
There is a link that speaks to high fat low carb diets and how changing our diets to eat all this high carb processed foods is killing us faster.0 -
I agree that moderation and common sense are the keys. Personally, I changed my eating lifestyle with the Belly Fat Cure. I limit my carbs to less than 120 grams/day but more importantly less than 15 grams of sugar/day. This has enabled me to drop 35 lbs and size 40 to size 36 pants without exercise. Excess carbs/sugar are turned into fat by your body, good fat can help you get rid of belly fat. I feel better and am eating healthier without sugar.
Belly Fat Cure, I had not heard about that one.
I have achieved pretty much the same results as you, without exercise, by just following MFP's caloric limit guidelines.
I also monitor my cholesterol, fat, sodium for better health, again using MFP.
No need in my case to follow any of the Diets being promoted out there
Wish you the best with your diet,0
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