Bye Bye Death Penalty
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Interesting discussion but just remember that no one ever thinks it will happen to them. I seriously hope none of you or your family are ever wrongly convicted of a crime and end up with the death penalty or in the medieval prison conditions being advocated here.
The economic arguement is lame as well. All countries have prisons/rehabilitation systems that they have to fund through taxes. It simply is an expense and exists everywhere. It always has through history and always will in the future. There are always going to be people who break the laws. It's not going to magically go away.
I can't think of one example of a country where the death penalty eliminates crime. It doesn't even work in harsh systems like China, Iran or Saudi Arabia....or the prolific death penalty states of Texas or Virginia closer to home.0 -
wow, for the most part, this has been a very civil discussion. :drinker:
You're a big stupid-face.
Better?
The death penalty should be the exception rather than the rule, but I think it should exist. There are crimes from which there is no hope of coming back from, and for those crimes I think it is reasonable for the state to bear the added financial burden of conviction. The appeals process should be long, and it should be tedious, since there is no coming back from an execution; but I do think analyzing the process for loopholes and hastening it *somewhat* is a good thing. I do not think it should be viewed as a punitive measure, but rather as a measure of protection for society (including other prisoners that person would be incarcerated with). I don't think punitive measures are in the interest of the greater good for society, the only thing they would serve is to make people with no ties to the case feel better about themselves. If punitive measures worked, I'd be all for them, but I think what they do is make things worse. If I'm going to get my hands chopped off for stealing, and an old man catches me breaking into his house, you better believe I'm going to kill him so that at trial there aren't any witnesses.
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I wrote a paper in college about cosmetic companies torturing poor animals in order to test their products. The validity of the testing was often challenged due to the biological differences between man and animal. My suggestion was to do the testing on death row inmates. The results would be accurate and it would reduce the expense to house these inmates long term.
At the time that I wrote the paper, I never had a pet in my life and certainly did not classify myself as an animal lover.
I forgot to add that my well written paper only got a C :sad:
I think that is an excellent idea. Those poor animals are innocent of any crime and being tortured.
Thank you. Wish you would have been my professor!0 -
The death penalty is barbaric and unnecessary.
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As long as we are going to keep it I suggest we make it a televised steel cage death match. 10 inmates enter, 1 leaves. The one that survives gets life in prison.0 -
I saw this photo one day and I think it relates:
"Bombing for Peace is like F^($!ng for Virginity"
With that being said, let's go and kill someone to prove that killing is wrong. I'm sorry, but that is complete hypocrisy.0 -
I think they should all be put on a desert island. Let them kill each other instead of us paying for them to watch tv-body build-and make royalties from books they write while in prison.
You mean like The Hunger Games??0 -
wow, for the most part, this has been a very civil discussion. :drinker:
Yay!! I just came back from doing lunch break from a co-worker and as I was reading through the replies I thought the same thing!! I actually enjoyed reading this thread and some points of view have really helped me to play devils advocate with myself
It is always a good thing to hear many sides because I feel it keeps me from becoming too ignorant :bigsmile: 0 -
I also think the lawyers should suffer the same punishment as their client. Sure would cut down on the defense of the guilty POS that committed some of these awful crimes. Plus it would really cut down on all these frivolous law suits.
would we kill the DA who fails to get a death penalty convection? How about if the person win on appeal, do we kill the Jury and judge for almost taking a person life? I mean as long as we are going to go on a kill streak, let us make it a good one.
for the record, I am ok with the death penalty, but it does need serious reform. Best way today to avoid it, if you kill some one, is to be rich enough to have a good lawyer.0 -
wow, for the most part, this has been a very civil discussion. :drinker:
I was just thinking that! Considering what happens when someone mentions not eating back exercise calories
Well done us.
Baha!! Sooo true!! I don't even write in those threads, they scare me lol :laugh:0 -
I am from the UK and I wish we had the death penalty!0
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I was born in Texas, that should about sum up my view on the subject.
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I haven't had a chance to read all of the posts but I am for the death penalty if there is without a doubt that they are guilty of performing such awful crimes. I work hard and I don't want my tax payers dollars to go to support someone that will have life in prison. I have to pay for the police officers salary, their food, repairs, shelter, medical, etc. I rather my money go to crime prevention or better schools!!!
BTW!!!! Texas born and raised as well....0 -
I live in Texas..our death penalty isn't going anywhere..and I'm okay with that!
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I am pro death penalty!! I think it is a shame for our tax dollars to keep people in jail their whole lives when they have been proven guilty of murder. An eye for an eye I think. If you kill someone in cold blood you should get the same punishment..0
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The death penalty is just way too expensive. It costs less to jail someone for life than to fry them. That's why New Jersey got rid of it a few years ago.
Besides, I rather see somone rot in jail everday for the rest of their life than get the easy way out.
The method being used is too expensive. There are several other forms of execution that cost much much less.0 -
I err on the side of very conservative but have always been undecided on the death penalty. I just see so much validity on both sides of the issue.
What I think is absolutely disgusting, however, is that people can commit heinous, grisly crimes and then go to jail for a relatively short period of time and/or continue to waste taxpayer money and peoples' time applying for parole every 3-4 years or whatever. I was just reading about a mass murderer in CA (of course.. sorry, Californians*) named Juan Corona who, after having been RELEASED from prison once, chopped to bits 20something young men in the 1970s-80s and buried their parts in an orchard where he worked. Since being locked up again, he has spent the last 30 years applying for parole time after time. Why does he even get to try!?!? Charles Manson just had another parole hearing, as well. I'm split on the death penalty, but why aren't we "throwing away the key" on these people?
*the next place that wouldn't surprise me to hear this story from is my home state of NY0 -
I totally believe in eye for an eye....I happen to work in the prison system and believe me, there is NO such thing as rehabilitation. Once you take a life, you are never the same. It makes me sick that these POS get cable TV, free medical, hot food and conjugal visits.....all the while our elders or vets get next to nothing. What's really sad is that inmates on death row actually die of old age or cancer way more often than getting executed due to the court of appeals system taking 25+ years to run the course here in California.....Oh and as far as it being cruel and unusual or medieval, come sit on a lifer hearing and listen to the family members of one of the victims cry their heart out over the way that poor little inmate raped and killed their 12 year old daughter. I think you might change your opinion on it being cruel or unusual. I keep volunteering to administer the injections but they haven’t accepted my application thus far....lol!0
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I live in Alaska and we do not have the death penalty. I think its crap. Some criminals deserve death. But then again i am all for a firing squad too.0
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The death penalty is just way too expensive. It costs less to jail someone for life than to fry them. That's why New Jersey got rid of it a few years ago.
Besides, I rather see somone rot in jail everday for the rest of their life than get the easy way out.
The method being used is too expensive. There are several other forms of execution that cost much much less.
The methods for execution isn't what's expensive....it's housing them on death row (which is way higher security so way more expensive) for 25+ years prior to them actually getting executed.0 -
I totally believe in eye for an eye....I happen to work in the prison system and believe me, there is NO such thing as rehabilitation. Once you take a life, you are never the same. It makes me sick that these POS get cable TV, free medical, hot food and conjugal visits.....all the while our elders or vets get next to nothing. What's really sad is that inmates on death row actually die of old age or cancer way more often than getting executed due to the court of appeals system taking 25+ years to run the course here in California.....Oh and as far as it being cruel and unusual or medieval, come sit on a lifer hearing and listen to the family members of one of the victims cry their heart out over the way that poor little inmate raped and killed their 12 year old daughter. I think you might change your opinion on it being cruel or unusual. I keep volunteering to administer the injections but they haven’t accepted my application thus far....lol!
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The death penalty is just way too expensive. It costs less to jail someone for life than to fry them. That's why New Jersey got rid of it a few years ago.
Besides, I rather see somone rot in jail everday for the rest of their life than get the easy way out.
The method being used is too expensive. There are several other forms of execution that cost much much less.
A bullet in any caliber is less than 5 bucks!0 -
What makes the executioner (and by proxy, the judicial system) any more morally just than the murderer?0
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eye for an eye. If you kill someone I should be able to do the same to you (well not me but your know)... and yeah im from texas
I don't know of anyone that got the death penalty that didnt murder someone else.0 -
I just don't think criminals are even afraid of the death penalty...it seems like the vast majority of cases are pled down to lesser sentences (life w/o parole or something along those lines). And if they are sentenced to death...they sit on death row for eons, filing appeal after appeal, living at the expense of the tax payer.
What I think should happen is this...if a person is convicted of a capital crime beyond a shadow of a doubt then that person should be placed in a room with the family members of his/her victim(s) for about 10 minutes...give the family members a few blunt instruments and let them have at it. Especially if every shred of evidence indicates guilt; but the person walks because someone dotted an "i" in the wrong place on a form.0 -
We have the death penalty here in Kansas.
And I do not agree with the death penalty. I wish it would be abolished everywhere in this country. While, yes, I agree that some people really don't deserve to live, I am not comfortable with something as powerful as the government getting to decide who lives and who dies.0 -
I was born in Texas, that should about sum up my view on the subject.
Same here.
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The death penalty is just way too expensive. It costs less to jail someone for life than to fry them. That's why New Jersey got rid of it a few years ago.
Besides, I rather see somone rot in jail everday for the rest of their life than get the easy way out.
The method being used is too expensive. There are several other forms of execution that cost much much less.
A bullet in any caliber is less than 5 bucks!
Due process is the expense.0 -
I totally believe in eye for an eye....I happen to work in the prison system and believe me, there is NO such thing as rehabilitation. Once you take a life, you are never the same. It makes me sick that these POS get cable TV, free medical, hot food and conjugal visits.....all the while our elders or vets get next to nothing. What's really sad is that inmates on death row actually die of old age or cancer way more often than getting executed due to the court of appeals system taking 25+ years to run the course here in California.....Oh and as far as it being cruel and unusual or medieval, come sit on a lifer hearing and listen to the family members of one of the victims cry their heart out over the way that poor little inmate raped and killed their 12 year old daughter. I think you might change your opinion on it being cruel or unusual. I keep volunteering to administer the injections but they haven’t accepted my application thus far....lol!
I agree 100%, I have no pitty for convicted killers on death row, bullets are cheap and so is a good length of rope, and leathel injection is to humane for most. I have been around the prison system, local jails, etc and you are right there is no rehabilitation. The should not be allowed to get the free perks at tax payer expense.
Our legal system and all of the human rights groups need to step off. We have become to PC for our own good and it is becoming the downfall of the american society.0 -
Another example of our country and world becoming a Brady bunch pu$$y version of itself. Disgusting! We need more capital punishment, not less. Public flogging should be applauded, not looked down upon.
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it's interesting to me how a lot of "conservative" folks require an impossible standard of evidence for scientific areas such as biology and climate but will execute someone based on witness testimony which offers almost no real value of evidence.0 -
I'm against the death penalty - there have been some cases when the person hasn't been guilty.
Killing for killing = wrong IMO.
OK, no killing for killing. How about killing for torture, extreme mental anguish, and the ruination of countless lives???? I dont think anyone is for the death penalty for manslaughter, repeat drunk drivers or even crimes of passion, BUT how about for those serial, no questions about guilt, crazy people that YOU shouldnt want in this world with your children!!!!??? ...just saying. :noway:0
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