Bye Bye Death Penalty
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I don't agree with the death penalty, I think it should be banned. You don't teach a thief stealing is bad by robbing him. You don't teach and arson not to burn things down by setting his house on fire and you don't kill a killer. What kind of example does that set? You can't kill because it's illegal but were allowed to kill you if you do so? Umm, no. That's like telling a kid hitting is bad as you spank them.
With that being said I think life in a 6X4 cell with nothing but a pillow, no phone, no window and cheap food. I agree prison looks a bit to comfortable for some.
This is what we need to do......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI 0 -
You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
Seriously though I am not comfortable living with the fact that 10 cancers to society are not being punished just so 1 innocent's life isn't ruined. We are comfortable with doctors being allowed to practice medicine when they passed with a 70%. Why aren't we comfortable with a court system that gets it right 80% or 90% of the time.
I will concede that the court system is not perfect and convicts the innocent while releasing the guilty ( do OJ and Michael Jackson ring a bell)?
I think it's really easy to have that point of view when it's not you in the hot seat. This is obviously just speculation, but what if that innocent person was your mother? Your daughter? Your son?
I personally would have no problem being executed if I knew it would send 10 folks who deserved it to hell that much quicker. But my mother? My father? My fiancee? I don't think I could handle that.
Letting those 10 'cancers' go free is what I think makes this country great.
I'm all for hastening the process, and removing pointless loopholes, but I cannot and will not ever agree with eliminating the right to appeal entirely. I think if the US were to do something like that it would signify a massive drop in our moral superiority over the criminals we're targeting.0 -
my opinion is that if we were all allowed to carry our own weapons with out the government putting such strict laws on how we are allowed to defend ourselves then there would be a lot less violent crimes. However, this would probably cause a huge increase in deaths too but, do you think someone is gonna try to rape a young girl if they aren't really sure if she has a gun and knows how to use it??? Maybe they will still try and maybe she will kill the POS before he has a chance to...problem solved...and YES, I would shoot the POS if it were me. I wouldn't hesitate in the least bit.
Aso, if our legal system wasn't so twisted up these jerks would never get a chance to be back out on the streets.
For the person that said it cost more to follow through with the death penalty then to keep them in prison....not sure that makes sense.
A one time deal to kill them but year after year of crowded prisons, feeding the criminal, allowing him to appeal, suppliying them with a lawyer, oh and the best part.....access to fitness equipment and furthering their education.....WTH, a scumbag gets better care then 90% of the American populatin because he is in prison.
Forget the death penalty let's get back to hardcore manual labor and chaingangs...chain 'em up and work them to death.
About 4 years ago there was a dramatic increase in conceal carry permits. In the majority of the states that allow conceal carry and have less stict gun laws, violent crime has gone down while states/cities with strict gun laws have seen an increase in violent crime. DC, New York and California have the most strict gun laws and the highest % increase in violent crime according to DOJ data.0 -
I am ok with the death penalty but I am also willing to compromise with those who aren't with these stipulations
extremely small cell with a window so high you can't see out or no window
a cot with a blanket, no padding on the bed
only books about morals and ethics
food that doesn't have a lot of taste to it, no salt pepper, or condiments of any kind, and only water
no television or other forms of entertainment, no pens or paper
They quite literally just sit in their cell waiting for food with no taste and a boring book
I could get behind this on a sliding scale based on crime. While I don't agree with the death penalty, I do think that prison has become far too comfortable. Our prison system appears to be stuck between the philosophies of rehabilitation and punishment and are, therefore, doing neither properly.0 -
I too live in CT and I am familiar with the Petit murders and the trials of Hayes and Komisarjevsky (the murderers, who are without a doubt, 100% guilty as they have both confessed, and were caught fleeing the scene of the crime moments after they set the house on fire with both children alive inside) and when considering the horror that family went through (and Dr. Petit who survived, still must go through) it's hard not to feel they should be executed & Dr. Petit has spoken out against the repeal of the death penalty.
Just as a point of interest, the repeal would only apply to future sentences, so the inmates currently on CT's death row (including hayes and Komisarjevsky) will still be executed eventually.
I am firmly convinced that they waited for those sentences to be passed down before they voted for this.
Almost certainly. Several years ago when Jodi Rell was Governor of CT she vetoed a bill that would have abolished the death penalty even after it passed in the Senate and the House and she referenced the murders as an example of why she did. Last year while one of the defendants was still awaiting trial, a vote that would have abolished the death penalty was blocked.0 -
I too live in CT and I am familiar with the Petit murders and the trials of Hayes and Komisarjevsky (the murderers, who are without a doubt, 100% guilty as they have both confessed, and were caught fleeing the scene of the crime moments after they set the house on fire with both children alive inside) and when considering the horror that family went through (and Dr. Petit who survived, still must go through) it's hard not to feel they should be executed & Dr. Petit has spoken out against the repeal of the death penalty.
Just as a point of interest, the repeal would only apply to future sentences, so the inmates currently on CT's death row (including Hayes and Komisarjevsky) will still be executed eventually.
I have read that only the 11 people on death row will still be sentenced to death but not sure if it includes the two men involved in the petit case.0 -
If even one person is wrongly put to death (and we know with absolute certainty that scores have) then I cannot support it.
Life in prison is a much worse punishment but still allows unjustly convicted people to take advantage of new investigative technologies as they become available. Look at how many death row residents have been completely exonerated with dna testing that didn't exist when they were convicted.
We don't teach a child to not hit by hitting them - the same psychology applies to our larger society.
justifying the death penalty in cases of confessions is just "suicide by state" and hardly a punishment.0 -
my opinion is that if we were all allowed to carry our own weapons with out the government putting such strict laws on how we are allowed to defend ourselves then there would be a lot less violent crimes. However, this would probably cause a huge increase in deaths too but, do you think someone is gonna try to rape a young girl if they aren't really sure if she has a gun and knows how to use it??? Maybe they will still try and maybe she will kill the POS before he has a chance to...problem solved...and YES, I would shoot the POS if it were me. I wouldn't hesitate in the least bit.
Aso, if our legal system wasn't so twisted up these jerks would never get a chance to be back out on the streets.
For the person that said it cost more to follow through with the death penalty then to keep them in prison....not sure that makes sense.
A one time deal to kill them but year after year of crowded prisons, feeding the criminal, allowing him to appeal, suppliying them with a lawyer, oh and the best part.....access to fitness equipment and furthering their education.....WTH, a scumbag gets better care then 90% of the American populatin because he is in prison.
Forget the death penalty let's get back to hardcore manual labor and chaingangs...chain 'em up and work them to death.
About 4 years ago there was a dramatic increase in conceal carry permits. In the majority of the states that allow conceal carry and have less stict gun laws, violent crime has gone down while states/cities with strict gun laws have seen an increase in violent crime. DC, New York and California have the most strict gun laws and the highest % increase in violent crime according to DOJ data.
DC, New York, and California also happen to be the most densely populated areas.... dur.0 -
AH Agree!! Side note: I apologize for getting you confused with another peroson before! Truly "my bad"!!:flowerforyou:There is no such thing as "100% definitely guilty." Makes me ****ing sick we are even discussing this.
Really? So a guy caught on video shooting & killing another person wouldn't be considered 100% guilty?
Makes me sick that my tax dollars are wasted housing scumbags.0 -
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All good points. That is why more of us as citizens needs to do everything we can to protect our own and ourselves. A woman with a .38 special in her pocket could saves us tax payers a lot on a rape trial if she would put two in center mass of her rapist. Just one example.
I can assure the only sadness I will suffer when a criminal enters my home is the mess his brain matter will make on my carpet and walls. I won't be mourning my kid and crying in court when he gets a 20 year sentence.0 -
I don't agree with the death penalty, I think it should be banned. You don't teach a thief stealing is bad by robbing him. You don't teach and arson not to burn things down by setting his house on fire and you don't kill a killer. What kind of example does that set? You can't kill because it's illegal but were allowed to kill you if you do so? Umm, no. That's like telling a kid hitting is bad as you spank them.
This is what we need to do......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
Ummm, people that commit murder have already proven they are not capable of learning right from wrong. It isn't about teaching them anything. It is about ridding the world from their disgusting existence!0 -
I'm of the opinion that jail for life is far worse than death. I'm also opposed to killing anyone, no matter how much I may deem them not worthy of life. I think it's savage, and stoops to levels we should not go in society.0
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AH Agree!! Side note: I apologize for getting you confused with another peroson before! Truly "my bad"!!:flowerforyou:There is no such thing as "100% definitely guilty." Makes me ****ing sick we are even discussing this.
Really? So a guy caught on video shooting & killing another person wouldn't be considered 100% guilty?
Makes me sick that my tax dollars are wasted housing scumbags.
Thank you. I appreciate the apology. :flowerforyou:0 -
I am ok with the death penalty but I am also willing to compromise with those who aren't with these stipulations
extremely small cell with a window so high you can't see out or no window
a cot with a blanket, no padding on the bed
only books about morals and ethics
food that doesn't have a lot of taste to it, no salt pepper, or condiments of any kind, and only water
no television or other forms of entertainment, no pens or paper
They quite literally just sit in their cell waiting for food with no taste and a boring book
I could get behind this on a sliding scale based on crime. While I don't agree with the death penalty, I do think that prison has become far too comfortable. Our prison system appears to be stuck between the philosophies of rehabilitation and punishment and are, therefore, doing neither properly.
TOTALLY agree with you. Sliding scale, absolutely. There are some people who have a chance at rehabilitation, then again, there are serial killers and child rapists, who have no chance at it. Sorry, if you raped a kid once, I don't really think you get a second chance, that's not something that you can say "I made a mistake!" about. Stick em in a tiny little room so they eventually go crazy. There are people in prison who live better than people who have never committed a crime in their lives, not exactly fair.0 -
I have worked with criminals inside and outside of the fence. There are some who have lost all humanity. You look at them and there is not even a spark of decency left in their eyes. We had one just 2 weeks ago kill a prison guard. He was in for life without a chance of parole. He leaves behind a pregnant wife and young child. Had the death penalty been enacted on this waste of human flesh there would be one more productive citizen living and breathing today. We have one set to fry today here in Florida. We are the only state who gives Texas a run for its money in executions. Ted Bundy was one of them. Do you think he could have been helped? Could he have been rehabilitated? I have never met a rehabilitated sex offeneder of little children. The desires are always there and they function in society only because we have an ankle bracelet around their leg that lets us know where they are every second of every day. Talk about expensive. Sometimes they cut the bracelet and abduct a child and we are the ones who get blamed for these perverts raping and killing little children. As for deterrant, the death penalty is the ultimate deterrant for the convicted murderer. There is no deterrant for some people other than to put them down. Some people would kill even if you had a gun to their head threatening to pull the trigger if they were about to kill someone. Quote from Batman's Alfred, "Some just want to see the world burn". There is no help or cure for these and they will kill again even in prison.0
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I don't agree with the death penalty, I think it should be banned. You don't teach a thief stealing is bad by robbing him. You don't teach and arson not to burn things down by setting his house on fire and you don't kill a killer. What kind of example does that set? You can't kill because it's illegal but were allowed to kill you if you do so? Umm, no. That's like telling a kid hitting is bad as you spank them.
This is what we need to do......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
Ummm, people that commit murder have already proven they are not capable of learning right from wrong. It isn't about teaching them anything. It is about ridding the world from their disgusting existence!
So just one murder? Okay, what if someone kills someone in a passionate act, as in catching them with his wife and just losing his *kitten*. Should they be executed?0 -
Yes. You're not an animal - have some self control. Beat the guy to a pulp, but leave him breathing.I don't agree with the death penalty, I think it should be banned. You don't teach a thief stealing is bad by robbing him. You don't teach and arson not to burn things down by setting his house on fire and you don't kill a killer. What kind of example does that set? You can't kill because it's illegal but were allowed to kill you if you do so? Umm, no. That's like telling a kid hitting is bad as you spank them.
This is what we need to do......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
Ummm, people that commit murder have already proven they are not capable of learning right from wrong. It isn't about teaching them anything. It is about ridding the world from their disgusting existence!
So just one murder? Okay, what if someone kills someone in a passionate act, as in catching them with his wife and just losing his *kitten*. Should they be executed?0 -
I'm Canadian also, and I do agree that if the person is 100% guilty, some people are just evil and deserve to die. For example, there's a murder trial going on in London, ON right now of a man who sexually assaulted and killed a little girl. The most he'll get is 25 years (that's the harshest penalty in Canada), probably eligible for parole after half of that. THAT is sad.
See that is what I don't like. I don't agree with the death penalty but I don't believe letting them live rent free while providing free food and exercise till there time is up and sending them on there marry way. No. If you get life, your in for life. Meaning until you die. Also any and every thing you own will be sold to help pay for your stay. Also I think they should have to earn there food for the day by working in some way. Scrubbing the floors, toilet or what ever.0 -
So just one murder? Okay, what if someone kills someone in a passionate act, as in catching them with his wife and just losing his *kitten*. Should they be executed?
Works for me.0 -
I have worked with criminals inside and outside of the fence. There are some who have lost all humanity. You look at them and there is not even a spark of decency left in their eyes. We had one just 2 weeks ago kill a prison guard. He was in for life without a chance of parole. He leaves behind a pregnant wife and young child. Had the death penalty been enacted on this waste of human flesh there would be one more productive citizen living and breathing today. We have one set to fry today here in Florida. We are the only state who gives Texas a run for its money in executions. Ted Bundy was one of them. Do you think he could have been helped? Could he have been rehabilitated? I have never met a rehabilitated sex offeneder of little children. The desires are always there and they function in society only because we have an ankle bracelet around their leg that lets us know where they are every second of every day. Talk about expensive. Sometimes they cut the bracelet and abduct a child and we are the ones who get blamed for these perverts raping and killing little children. As for deterrant, the death penalty is the ultimate deterrant for the convicted murderer. There is no deterrant for some people other than to put them down. Some people would kill even if you had a gun to their head threatening to pull the trigger if they were about to kill someone. Quote from Batman's Alfred, "Some just want to see the world burn". There is no help or cure for these and they will kill again even in prison.
"Fry"? That makes me sick.0 -
Yes. You're not an animal - have some self control. Beat the guy to a pulp, but leave him breathing.I don't agree with the death penalty, I think it should be banned. You don't teach a thief stealing is bad by robbing him. You don't teach and arson not to burn things down by setting his house on fire and you don't kill a killer. What kind of example does that set? You can't kill because it's illegal but were allowed to kill you if you do so? Umm, no. That's like telling a kid hitting is bad as you spank them.
This is what we need to do......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
Ummm, people that commit murder have already proven they are not capable of learning right from wrong. It isn't about teaching them anything. It is about ridding the world from their disgusting existence!
So just one murder? Okay, what if someone kills someone in a passionate act, as in catching them with his wife and just losing his *kitten*. Should they be executed?
but in a society with the death penalty, you are taught that death is the ultimate punishment and in a rage addled mind, you revert to basic lessons - This person deserves the ultimate penalty - and there you go.0 -
I'm an "eye for an eye" kind of person but at the least, I think public hanging should be the death penalty. Lethal injection is too quick and not painful enough.
I don't have a problem with the way things were handled long ago. When a woman was beat by a man, you could easily find 10 men to kick his *kitten*. Someone hurt a kid, the dad would probably take care of it himself. Now, criminals get some many rights and so much protection, tv's in jail, video games. It's almost like a strcit but free vacation for some of them.0 -
I think serial killers should be eliminated, there is no amount of therapy that will turn "psychopath" off. I don't know why I should pay for their room and board in prison for life. Seems unfair. A 25 to life sentence costs tax payers $300,000 each.
I vote against the death penalty for serial rapists. I think they should just be 100% castrated and continue to live that way as a lifelong reminder of the trauma they inflicted on their victims. Also, if it were possible, to lobotomize parts of their brain that allows them to enjoy torturing children and women.
I don't think this would do anything but make people who had nothing to do with the crime or the victim feel better. It doesn't 'fix' anything.I don't agree with the death penalty, I think it should be banned. You don't teach a thief stealing is bad by robbing him. You don't teach and arson not to burn things down by setting his house on fire and you don't kill a killer. What kind of example does that set? You can't kill because it's illegal but were allowed to kill you if you do so? Umm, no. That's like telling a kid hitting is bad as you spank them.
This is what we need to do......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
Ironically, getting hit by my mom was the only thing that kept me out of fights at school.0 -
"Fry"? That makes me sick.
I agree. Fry is what you do to a delicious potato. Incinerate would be more appropriate for scumbag murderers.0 -
You're also taught that it's a punishment that can only be bestowed by a jury of your peers. I understand what you're saying, however and I think this is the perfect example of where civilian gun ownership being legalised is at fault.
Yes. You're not an animal - have some self control. Beat the guy to a pulp, but leave him breathing.I don't agree with the death penalty, I think it should be banned. You don't teach a thief stealing is bad by robbing him. You don't teach and arson not to burn things down by setting his house on fire and you don't kill a killer. What kind of example does that set? You can't kill because it's illegal but were allowed to kill you if you do so? Umm, no. That's like telling a kid hitting is bad as you spank them.
This is what we need to do......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
Ummm, people that commit murder have already proven they are not capable of learning right from wrong. It isn't about teaching them anything. It is about ridding the world from their disgusting existence!
So just one murder? Okay, what if someone kills someone in a passionate act, as in catching them with his wife and just losing his *kitten*. Should they be executed?
but in a society with the death penalty, you are taught that death is the ultimate punishment and in a rage addled mind, you revert to basic lessons - This person deserves the ultimate penalty - and there you go.0 -
I don't agree with the death penalty, I think it should be banned. You don't teach a thief stealing is bad by robbing him. You don't teach and arson not to burn things down by setting his house on fire and you don't kill a killer. What kind of example does that set? You can't kill because it's illegal but were allowed to kill you if you do so? Umm, no. That's like telling a kid hitting is bad as you spank them.
This is what we need to do......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
Ummm, people that commit murder have already proven they are not capable of learning right from wrong. It isn't about teaching them anything. It is about ridding the world from their disgusting existence!
So just one murder? Okay, what if someone kills someone in a passionate act, as in catching them with his wife and just losing his *kitten*. Should they be executed?
I didn't mean teaching them, I meant more so teaching society but I can see how I made that a bit confusing. A slow, miserable life locked in a little cell never to see family or anyone but other killers is worse than the quick easy and painless way out in my opinion.
Yes just one murder makes you a killer no matter the cause. "as in catching them with his wife and just losing his *kitten*" That is a terrible excuse to kill someone. Get a divorce don't kill them. Losing his *kitten*? Yes he is dangerous. If he kills every time he loses his *kitten* why wouldn't you lock him away?0 -
Yes. You're not an animal - have some self control. Beat the guy to a pulp, but leave him breathing.
It's actually very easy to accidentally kill someone. How do you differentiate between manslaughter and murder I in the jealous rage situation?
I think this topic has very little to do with civilian gun control.You're also taught that it's a punishment that can only be bestowed by a jury of your peers. I understand what you're saying, however and I think this is the perfect example of where civilian gun ownership being legalised is at fault.0 -
You're also taught that it's a punishment that can only be bestowed by a jury of your peers. I understand what you're saying, however and I think this is the perfect example of where civilian gun ownership being legalised is at fault.
Yes. You're not an animal - have some self control. Beat the guy to a pulp, but leave him breathing.I don't agree with the death penalty, I think it should be banned. You don't teach a thief stealing is bad by robbing him. You don't teach and arson not to burn things down by setting his house on fire and you don't kill a killer. What kind of example does that set? You can't kill because it's illegal but were allowed to kill you if you do so? Umm, no. That's like telling a kid hitting is bad as you spank them.
This is what we need to do......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
Ummm, people that commit murder have already proven they are not capable of learning right from wrong. It isn't about teaching them anything. It is about ridding the world from their disgusting existence!
So just one murder? Okay, what if someone kills someone in a passionate act, as in catching them with his wife and just losing his *kitten*. Should they be executed?
but in a society with the death penalty, you are taught that death is the ultimate punishment and in a rage addled mind, you revert to basic lessons - This person deserves the ultimate penalty - and there you go.
True on the jury of your peers point but some people's thought processes disagree with that even in their calmed mind.
I was avoiding going into the gun argument but I agree with your point
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LOL..:laugh:"While some states try to abolish the death penalty, my state is putting in an express lane" Paraphrased from Ron White..0 -
If even one person is wrongly put to death (and we know with absolute certainty that scores have) then I cannot support it.
This sums it up for me, Even if the State takes just one life in an unjust way, the system no longer has legitimacy or credibility. It's too grave of a mistake to give into public sentiment that seeks vengeance. Having lived in both the US and Europe, the perspective on things is very different. The paradox to Europeans is that the US always preaches about the moral high ground and human rights but then there are many US States that still have the dealth penalty. This seems like hypocricy to many people. The only G8 country other than the US with the death penalty is Japan. Take a look at this map, the US is in the company of countries with the worst human rights records in the world when it comes to the death penalty. It just doesn't make sense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country
Anyway, well done to Connecticut!0
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