for heavens sake, I STILL EAT BREAD AND LOSE WEIGHT!
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You're going to have to pry my bread from my cold, dead, fingers!0
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I went a whole month without having any bread, sugar, carbs, etc. I lost a lot of weight, but hit a plateau. When I finally gave in and had some bread, I found I lost two pounds when I weighed myself the next morning. I say all things in moderation! :drinker:0
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Which entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.0
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seen a lot of posts lately regarding "whole grain/wheat" bread/brown rice.. and such.. I am not understand why alot of people choose to cut them out COMPLETELY... I have lost weight with still eating bread, at a deficit.. eating healthy and working out...
please tell me I am not the only one? share YOUR success so we can put the "bad carbs" posts to rest!
WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT?!
Nah, just kidding. I eat bread, pasta, rice and such. I just eat it at a deficit and exercise. I've lost 15lbs so far.0 -
Please help save my "health". How am I destroying my good health by not eating grains?.... And BTW, I don't participate in portion control, I eat as much as I want.
You're not destroying your health. If its working that's great. How many calories are you consuming? For a lot of low carbers the eat as much as you want does work but they are creating a caloric deficit. For those that it doesn't work - it is not creating a caloric deficit - they still over-eat.0 -
A lot of Eastern Europe, and particularly the Balkans. Bread (white bread) is the alpha and omega of the diet, practically a religious item (you get told of as a child if you dare play with or throw away your piece of bread) and 'fast food' is basically pastry (as I said, you go to bakeries for food on the go). Bread is eaten with absolutely every meal (I mean EVERY, including meals with potatoes and similar; some ppl even eat bread with pasta meals, I don'tWhich entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.
) - so much that even 5 years after moving away from there I still feel like I didn't have a meal if there was no piece of bread present (and by bread I mean real, freshly baked bread, the one that lasts only couple of days, not the stuff you buy in the supermarket - bread is supposed to have crust! unless it's a flat bread, which is also yummy)
Mediterranean, with a lot of pasta and pastries would be another example.0 -
Bread is mystical for me. It's one of the first foods and it's SO TASTY. How the hell did they figure out yeast? It's just crazy and marvelous.
I don't even eat bread that often, but it's very serious to me.. just by making it, I feel like I'm providing something -amazing- for my family. I think most bakers would agree there's something spiritual and calming about it.
I don't think something that's pretty much been around since the dawn of humanity, something so important to so many cultures could be bad for you. I love baking. I LOVE homemade loaves, rolls, flatbreads, rich brioche and basic but complex artisan boules and batards... I even eat the tasteless fluffy stuff you buy from supermarkets.0 -
I eat bread. And lose and gain the same 5 lbs over and over. I don't blame the bread. Bread is tasty goodness. Eat it, and be happy.0
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oh, it's good without yeast as wellBread is mystical for me. It's one of the first foods and it's SO TASTY. How the hell did they figure out yeast? It's just crazy and marvelous.. I love flat breads. Flat bread was my main breakfast item when I was a kid. 0 -
A lot of Eastern Europe, and particularly the Balkans. Bread (white bread) is the alpha and omega of the diet, practically a religious item (you get told of as a child if you dare play with or throw away your piece of bread) and 'fast food' is basically pastry (as I said, you go to bakeries for food on the go). Bread is eaten with absolutely every meal (I mean EVERY, including meals with potatoes and similar; some ppl even eat bread with pasta meals, I don'tWhich entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.) - so much that even 5 years after moving away from there I still feel like I didn't have a meal if there was no piece of bread present (and by bread I mean real, freshly baked bread, the one that lasts only couple of days, not the stuff you buy in the supermarket - bread is supposed to have crust! unless it's a flat bread, which is also yummy)
Mediterranean, with a lot of pasta and pastries would be another example.
Are you Serbian? I am Serbian and my whole family. My mum is the same if she doesn't have bread with a meal its not a meal.0 -
Keto diets are a fad!0
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A lot of Eastern Europe, and particularly the Balkans. Bread (white bread) is the alpha and omega of the diet, practically a religious item (you get told of as a child if you dare play with or throw away your piece of bread) and 'fast food' is basically pastry (as I said, you go to bakeries for food on the go). Bread is eaten with absolutely every meal (I mean EVERY, including meals with potatoes and similar; some ppl even eat bread with pasta meals, I don'tWhich entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.) - so much that even 5 years after moving away from there I still feel like I didn't have a meal if there was no piece of bread present (and by bread I mean real, freshly baked bread, the one that lasts only couple of days, not the stuff you buy in the supermarket - bread is supposed to have crust! unless it's a flat bread, which is also yummy)
Mediterranean, with a lot of pasta and pastries would be another example.
Are you Serbian? I am Serbian and my whole family. My mum is the same if she doesn't have bread with a meal its not a meal.
hahahha is it that obvious from my love of bread? :happy: (Serbian, grown up in a village - you can get the picture ) 0 -
i still eat bread pasta etc just not the massive portions i used to. i also move my *kitten* more in everything i do. as long as i control my portions im okay. i have at least 2 slices of bread every day and look at my ticker. started this properly in jan!0
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Carbs and sugar are two different things. But from what I`ve heard on here and countless books I`ve read, diets I`ve tried. The only thing that works is.....
Moderate calorie cut, and exercise and enjoying life.
My Tdee is 3000 cal per day? I eat only 2000, I never lose and indeed gain a lb a week. Make sense?
Let you know if I lose from now. Not successful eating minimal calories. At ;5'9" you can`t eat 1500 cal per day forever. No carbs is just another industry money making scheme. You do not have a disease, you just need to cut back a little, in a few months you`ll be slammin.0 -
A lot of Eastern Europe, and particularly the Balkans. Bread (white bread) is the alpha and omega of the diet, practically a religious item (you get told of as a child if you dare play with or throw away your piece of bread) and 'fast food' is basically pastry (as I said, you go to bakeries for food on the go). Bread is eaten with absolutely every meal (I mean EVERY, including meals with potatoes and similar; some ppl even eat bread with pasta meals, I don'tWhich entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.) - so much that even 5 years after moving away from there I still feel like I didn't have a meal if there was no piece of bread present (and by bread I mean real, freshly baked bread, the one that lasts only couple of days, not the stuff you buy in the supermarket - bread is supposed to have crust! unless it's a flat bread, which is also yummy)
Mediterranean, with a lot of pasta and pastries would be another example.
Are you Serbian? I am Serbian and my whole family. My mum is the same if she doesn't have bread with a meal its not a meal.
hahahha is it that obvious from my love of bread? :happy:
No, you mentioned Serbia in your About Me. When someone comments I like to look at their profile to see where they are coming from. I love bread too but a bit too much!
My parents grew up in a village in Serbia. I was born in Kikinda when they moved there and later moved to Australia.0 -
oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south
A lot of Eastern Europe, and particularly the Balkans. Bread (white bread) is the alpha and omega of the diet, practically a religious item (you get told of as a child if you dare play with or throw away your piece of bread) and 'fast food' is basically pastry (as I said, you go to bakeries for food on the go). Bread is eaten with absolutely every meal (I mean EVERY, including meals with potatoes and similar; some ppl even eat bread with pasta meals, I don'tWhich entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.) - so much that even 5 years after moving away from there I still feel like I didn't have a meal if there was no piece of bread present (and by bread I mean real, freshly baked bread, the one that lasts only couple of days, not the stuff you buy in the supermarket - bread is supposed to have crust! unless it's a flat bread, which is also yummy)
Mediterranean, with a lot of pasta and pastries would be another example.
Are you Serbian? I am Serbian and my whole family. My mum is the same if she doesn't have bread with a meal its not a meal.
hahahha is it that obvious from my love of bread? :happy:
No, you mentioned Serbia in your About Me. When someone comments I like to look at their profile to see where they are coming from. I love bread too but a bit too much!
My parents grew up in a village in Serbia. I was born in Kikinda when they moved there and later moved to Australia. 0 -
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"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south"
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Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!0 -
Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lolQUOTE
"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south"
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Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!
just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your *kitten* makes you fat":
it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract
diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.
Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.0 -
Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lolQUOTE
"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south"
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Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!
just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your *kitten* makes you fat":
it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract
diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.
Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.
yeh, definitely didn't succeed as a low carber and unfortunately wasted my time doing the same thing and expecting different results plus it's hard to not eat pita.
Agree on the lifestyle change.0 -
Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lolQUOTE
"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south"
END QUOTE
Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!
just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your *kitten* makes you fat":
it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract
diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.
Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.
Balkan diets are not wheat based. They include some type of bread or pasta, but the main staple is meat. They eat bread as a side or a snack, or a pastry on the go, but the main meal consists mainly of meat traditionally. And also, obesity is on the rise because now, they are including more bread like you just stated.0 -
I'm so sick of these posts, but just gotta give a little tidbit of my 2 cents. First off, if there was one recipe, equstion, solution, program or plan for effective weight loss in humans, then mfp, weight watchers, atkins, south beach, none of these would exist. So why do people who include carbs as the main part of the diet feel the need to chastise those who dont? And vica versa?
However, my conclusion after reading this thread confirms my belief that refined carbs are an addiction. Read the people who don't eat carbs. They say things like "i feel better without them, I have success....." What do the carb eaters say??? "you can pry my carbs out of my cold dead hands!!!!!" Replace the carb product in those posts with your drug of choice. Heroine crack coke meth booze, whatever and it really sounds like an addiction. Don't bother to disagree. Denial is the first step to recovery.0 -
The diet is meat (fatty)+bread - one does not go without the other. Yes, bread is a 'side' (technically), but still eaten in enormous quantities (plus all other pastries eaten during the day, from bakeries). I didn't state that 'now they are including more bread", where did you get that? Last time I checked the diet was the same as ever.
Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lolQUOTE
"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south"
END QUOTE
Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!
just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your *kitten* makes you fat":
it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract
diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.
Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.
Balkan diets are not wheat based. They include some type of bread or pasta, but the main staple is meat. They eat bread as a side or a snack, or a pastry on the go, but the main meal consists mainly of meat traditionally. And also, obesity is on the rise because now, they are including more bread like you just stated.0 -
I eat bread, pasta, etc. I have days when I want more carbs, and days when I want more protein. Within reason, I listen to my body on this. I seem to be doing ok.0
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The diet is meat (fatty)+bread - one does not go without the other. Yes, bread is a 'side' (technically), but still eaten in enormous quantities (plus all other pastries eaten during the day, from bakeries). I didn't state that 'now they are including more bread", where did you get that? Last time I checked the diet was the same as ever.
Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lolQUOTE
"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south"
END QUOTE
Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!
just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your *kitten* makes you fat":
it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract
diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.
Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.
So you admit you were wrong then? Because the Balkan diet INCLUDES bread and wheat etc. But the main components are not those things. I don't know if you spent a lot of time in the US but the standard American diet's MAIN component is grains. They eat grains as the main portion of all meals. And look at their obesity. If Americans adopted a Balkan type diet the obesity rates would go down drastically. You said the obesity was risint in the balkans, and i know and see firsthand that they are starting to eat like the Americans. Less fat more grains. I see it everyday. And obesity is going along with it.
Balkan diets are not wheat based. They include some type of bread or pasta, but the main staple is meat. They eat bread as a side or a snack, or a pastry on the go, but the main meal consists mainly of meat traditionally. And also, obesity is on the rise because now, they are including more bread like you just stated.0 -
You are right...as long as I don't over-do-it, I eat bread and I continue to maintain my weight-loss. I try to limit white bread/refined carbs, but wheat or whole bread is always on the menu.0
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The diet is meat (fatty)+bread - one does not go without the other. Yes, bread is a 'side' (technically), but still eaten in enormous quantities (plus all other pastries eaten during the day, from bakeries). I didn't state that 'now they are including more bread", where did you get that? Last time I checked the diet was the same as ever.
Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lolQUOTE
"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south"
END QUOTE
Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!
just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your *kitten* makes you fat":
it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract
diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.
Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.
Balkan diets are not wheat based. They include some type of bread or pasta, but the main staple is meat. They eat bread as a side or a snack, or a pastry on the go, but the main meal consists mainly of meat traditionally. And also, obesity is on the rise because now, they are including more bread like you just stated.
when did this obesity epidemic really start? In the past 50 years? Wheat is not genetically the same as it was in the early twentieth century, which may be causing the rise in obesity. We don't truly know what genetically changing food does to its nutritional values or effects on the body. Also, Mediterranean diets are vegetable and seafood based traditionally and there is a tremendous rise in Celiac now.0 -
No i wasn't wrong, because bread is one of the two main component. We can argue about semantics of "based on" and "includes" but there is nothing wrong with what i said. Actually look at it this way: in Serbia you do eat bread without meat (like bread and jam for example) but you never eat meat without bread. Give me example of a Serbian meal traditionaly eaten without bread.So you admit you were wrong then? Because the Balkan diet INCLUDES bread and wheat etc. But the main components are not those things. I don't know if you spent a lot of time in the US but the standard American diet's MAIN component is grains. They eat grains as the main portion of all meals. And look at their obesity. If Americans adopted a Balkan type diet the obesity rates would go down drastically. You said the obesity was risint in the balkans, and i know and see firsthand that they are starting to eat like the Americans. Less fat more grains. I see it everyday. And obesity is going along with it.. I grow up in a village and left Serbia only 5 years ago so I think I can speak about traditional and contemporary diet. No, ppl are not eating any more bread now than they did 25 years ago. I'm really curious to hear which part of Serbia you live in and where exactly are you noticing this increase in bread eating, in which meals/food items/eating habits? 0 -
Oh wheat! Sure. I eat wheat. I eat wheat in BREAD. I don't eat most of what's sold in stores in THE UNITED STATES as bread. Don't know if you have the same issue where you live. Where things called "bread" have about 15 ingredients, including sugar, or worse, high fructose corn syrup.
wheat.
What food is that?
same goes the other way - I don't understand how are some people so sure that food used for thousands and thousands of years, by billions of people, is suddenly 'poisonous' for everyone.I just don't understand why people think that everyone is the same. If something works for one person, it won't necessarily work someone else!!
btw, I responded to your question from the other day, about metabolism. (I think it's on page 10)
I read your other reply. "excuses" and what not. I chose not to reply. That said, since I hit my 40s, I've had to eat a bit less of the grain type of carbohydrates to maintain my weight.
Call it metabolism, call it hormones, that's the way it is FOR ME.0 -
We can't really blame a particular food on obesity simply because we have most people eating the same food and everyone isn't obese. The question should be why do some people overeat to the point of obesity, some of the answers will be both physiological and psycological and of course other lifestyle behaviour.
The diet is meat (fatty)+bread - one does not go without the other. Yes, bread is a 'side' (technically), but still eaten in enormous quantities (plus all other pastries eaten during the day, from bakeries). I didn't state that 'now they are including more bread", where did you get that? Last time I checked the diet was the same as ever.
Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lolQUOTE
"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south"
END QUOTE
Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!
just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your *kitten* makes you fat":
it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract
diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.
Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.
Balkan diets are not wheat based. They include some type of bread or pasta, but the main staple is meat. They eat bread as a side or a snack, or a pastry on the go, but the main meal consists mainly of meat traditionally. And also, obesity is on the rise because now, they are including more bread like you just stated.
when did this obesity epidemic really start? In the past 50 years? Wheat is not genetically the same as it was in the early twentieth century, which may be causing the rise in obesity. We don't truly know what genetically changing food does to its nutritional values or effects on the body. Also, Mediterranean diets are vegetable and seafood based traditionally and there is a tremendous rise in Celiac now.0 -
I don't have scientific data, so this is just observational, but Id say the rise is noticable in the last 10 years, definitely not something that started 50 years ago.
when did this obesity epidemic really start? In the past 50 years? Wheat is not genetically the same as it was in the early twentieth century, which may be causing the rise in obesity. We don't truly know what genetically changing food does to its nutritional values or effects on the body. Also, Mediterranean diets are vegetable and seafood based traditionally and there is a tremendous rise in Celiac now.
When you say genetically changing what exactly do you mean? GM or breading? Coz breading has been going on for centuries as well.0
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