Being called " fat" by another " fatty"
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I've never really understood why people are sensitive about being described as 'fat'. If you are, you are. I think there's an obvious distinction between it being used as an insult, rather than a simple descriptor. And when used in the way you describe in the OP, I think it's just affectionate, a kind of solidarity, and I see no harm in it at all.
I was on a bus once, at my heaviest, and a child innocently asked his mother why I was so fat... His mother was mortified. But I said to her 'don't be silly, it's fine, I am fat, there's nothing wrong with him noticing that'. Cause really, there isn't. It's only when people start to think it's *embarrassing* or *insulting* to describe people that way that it starts to become a problem. Teaching kids that 'fat' is an insult is a huge problem to me.0 -
one time i was in this store in another state and looking at the clothes and this lady comes over and tells her friend thats by me dont look in that section its for horses i was offened i said as loud as i could oh my how rude. The lady was no bigger than i i think it all has to do what people go through if they can say it and feel comfortable with the word and what it means and saying it to others of the same size i think it helpsw them cope with their own size dont take it to heart cause girl you wont be that way forever. so just brush it off and say hey look that offends me you may be comfortable with saying it to others but im not because anyone one any shape should keep things that might hurts others to themselves especially when they have no room to talk and who cares if someone gives you grief on here etc just ignore them and only read the important comments0
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I carry my weight primarily in my midsection, so once (when I was about 30 pounds lighter than I am now, even) this girl asked me if I was pregnant. If I hadn't been punched in and at work at the time, I might have decked her in the face. She had to be at least 300 pounds and I weighed about 190 at the time, and I was like "Excuse me?? Did you REALLY just ask me that?" I handled the situation gracefully on the surface but that comment pretty much wrecked my already bad self-esteem about my f***king stomach fat. I really don't think she was trying to be mean though...from talking to her cousin that also worked where I work, she just wasn't the brightest crayon in the box so it didn't occur to her that maybe you shouldn't ask a woman if she is pregnant unless she is about-to-burst-9.5-months pregnant. If you're not sure, DON'T ASK. And btw, I would have been just as offended if a woman (or man) of ANY size had asked the same question. I just found it ironic that she was far larger than me and still asked the fat girl if she was preggo.0
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Maybe you both should stop calling other women fat since it apparently bothers you so much when they do it to you.
You guys don;t have to be jerks.. i'm not being malicious.. i dont go around bashing people all day long. I dont sit here complaining all day long.
WHY are they so called jerks?? I think by posting up what you did, Im SURE u knew u would get positive yet, negative feedback right?? And EVERYONE here is entitled to their opinion no matter what0 -
Once someone called me "medium sized" and I wanted to say "what you mean is fat, right?", but I realize much later that she meant those people who aren't "skinny" or 'fat" but in the middle. I've kinda been like that for a long time....overweight, but not enough for people to call "fat". I figure at the workplace, we don't bring up weight. Now that I've lost weight I have people who call me "skinny" or "a stick figure" (which I'm not either, I have a curvy figure and a bumper booty and I like it!) and its still just weird at the workplace. I figure people should only say things about other women's bodies if they know the person personally. Its a safe rule for me.
I'm happy you said this.. because the times I am talking about, have been in the work place!0 -
I've never really understood why people are sensitive about being described as 'fat'. If you are, you are. I think there's an obvious distinction between it being used as an insult, rather than a simple descriptor. And when used in the way you describe in the OP, I think it's just affectionate, a kind of solidarity, and I see no harm in it at all.
I was on a bus once, at my heaviest, and a child innocently asked his mother why I was so fat... His mother was mortified. But I said to her 'don't be silly, it's fine, I am fat, there's nothing wrong with him noticing that'. Cause really, there isn't. It's only when people start to think it's *embarrassing* or *insulting* to describe people that way that it starts to become a problem. Teaching kids that 'fat' is an insult is a huge problem to me.
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People who are bigger are technically fatter as a higher percentage of their body is fat! It all depends on the individual as to what is deemed acceptable i suppose0 -
Just remember that misery loves company. I truly do not believe that most people who are overweight really want to stay that way no matter how much they talk about accepting themselves, loving their size and being happy with being full figured. Yes there are some that don't want to change but I would assume the vast majority of people don't like it but either don't know how to change it or are not willing to make the sacrifices to change it.
I've had a lot of heavier people say the same thing to me and it sucks. But looking back to the beginning of my journey I also was not being very honest with myself and now that I've lost weight and feel better about myself I can admit that I was FAT. I still am but at least my BMI is only overweight and not obese!!!
For people like that I say to just ignore it but if she's a repeat offender I would probably get all snarky and b@$&y and if she said it again I would say something like "well the X amount of weight I've lost takes me out of that category now". But I can be really sarcastic too!!!0 -
Maybe you both should stop calling other women fat since it apparently bothers you so much when they do it to you.
You guys don;t have to be jerks.. i'm not being malicious.. i dont go around bashing people all day long. I dont sit here complaining all day long.
WHY are they so called jerks?? I think by posting up what you did, Im SURE u knew u would get positive yet, negative feedback right?? And EVERYONE here is entitled to their opinion no matter what
The statement about what else would I be doing with my time made me say that.. Everyone is entitled, of course0 -
My mother who had always been extremely obese (250 at her lowest - 302 at her heaviest) at 4'11!! was very quick to point out anytime I gained weight. Even if I went from 110 to 117 at 5'2" she could see and was very rude about it: "Is that a belly I see on you?" or "Your *kitten* is getting fat."
I'm smaller than almost all of my close friends. Most will point out a weight gain but never in a non-flattering way.0 -
also, judging by your profile pic, if that is you then YEA you dont loooook fat, so hmmm makes me think are you one of them girls who always think they are fat just cuz they are not at the weight they wish they were at!? AND IM STATING I'M GOIN BY YOUR PICTURE.0
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also, judging by your profile pic, if that is you then YEA you dont loooook fat, so hmmm makes me think are you one of them girls who always think they are fat just cuz they are not at the weight they wish they were at!? AND IM STATING I'M GOIN BY YOUR PICTURE.
That's fine. I have a somewhat full body pic in my profile.. I'm not small by any means.0 -
also, judging by your profile pic, if that is you then YEA you dont loooook fat, so hmmm makes me think are you one of them girls who always think they are fat just cuz they are not at the weight they wish they were at!? AND IM STATING I'M GOIN BY YOUR PICTURE.
That's fine. I have a somewhat full body pic in my profile.. I'm not small by any means.
I think what is thought of as being fat depends on the person- i think im fat (id love ur opinion btw spontaneous13- honesty is helpful)- but others think Im not
Some days i think oh im fat and others i realise im being silly and settle with chubby lol.
I know a few girls who really Are not fat yet refuse to stop labelling themselves this way- which i dislike and tell them this0 -
Oh god yes. I'm having a problem with my next door neighbor, who is obviously much bigger than I was before I started losing weight, and by the way her clothes are fitting, she's gained even more since I started losing. She called me a fat, dirty, wh**e. I didn't let it bother me, just motivates me even more to lose the weight.0
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I call my 2 friends fat b!tche$ but only because they want me to. It is slightly awkward though because I outweigh one of them by probably at least 70 pounds. LOL0
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Got into an argument with somebody. While I'm a "live and let live" kinda person, if somebody pisses me off then my tongue has no leash.
The person said to his buddies pointing towards me in the middle of the argument "This fatass is pissing me off now" to which my reply was "B1tch please, you so fat your momma couldn't even find your d1ck when she was trying to suck it".
Oh my. You stooped WAY lower to what the guy said. That's a horrible thing to say to anyone.0 -
yeah, I'm Puerto Rican so, all my life I heard " gordita".. Kind of grew up not likeing it though lol.
Yea, same here. Gordita the way I always heard it used had nothing to do with being pretty or not. It definitely was used to describe any girl who was fairly chubby, whether or not she was pretty. I definitely wouldn't take it in a good way, lol.
I know the girl who used that term for me, and she did not mean it in a bad way at all so I'm not going to assume she did.
I know a lot of hispanics mean it as a term of endearment, but some of us ( in my family) that grew up a little detached from the Hispanic culture.. still found it a little insulting, but we still knew better.
Yeah, the girl who said it meant it as a term of endearment, and she is a sweetie. I just don't usually assume people are insulting me unless it's obvious.
Oh yes! It can be a term of endearment when used by family and close friends. I was just meaning when someone refers to a stranger as a "gordita" they are not necessarily referring to them as a very pretty chubby woman, they can just be describing the chubby aspect. If a stranger were to call me a gordita they may very well mean it in an insulting way, so they might be expecting a slap from me, lol.
Then again, I speak only spanish to a majority of my family, and when I was younger they called me gordita sometimes, but never meant it maliciously. It all depends on who is saying it.0 -
I don't like being called fat, chunky, big, or any of the above names by ANYONE, muchless from someone who has no room to speak! And for those who are bashing the OP, she did NOT call anyone "fat." If I am reading correctly, large women called her "fat."
You're not reading correctly. She called the woman who called her fat a fatty. So we can hem and haw all we'd like but those are the facts.
ETA: Nevermind. Apparently putting it in quotes makes it ok to call someone a fatty. How dumb of me.
This is the conversation that I was responding to. The self depreciating "how dumb of me" was not a necessary comment. I am 100% open to differing opinions, freedom of speech, and open forums. We are all entitled to our own opinions. There are several forums that I do not agree with each day. But, if my comment is going to be one of a negative nature, I typically just avoid posting. MFP is not about negativity, or unconstructive criticism. I did not demand that the poster stay away from a forurm merely because he did not agree, I just pointed out that sarcasm was not necessary.
I am sorry if that offended anyone. That was just MY opinion.
I do think that the original post described a very common situation. We all encounter that situation at one point , and we are all here because we want to improve and better ourselves in one way or another.
Happy Tuesday Everyone!0 -
I've dropped that "WE" word before. For me I guess when it comes out I'm not really thinking about how it will effect the other person, and because I don't get offended by it, I assume (we all know how that works in the world) that other people wouldn't be either.
This is the running joke comic between me and my best friend...who has lost 100lbs! (She is kicking my *kitten* at this weight loss LOL)
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yeah, I'm Puerto Rican so, all my life I heard " gordita".. Kind of grew up not likeing it though lol.
Yea, same here. Gordita the way I always heard it used had nothing to do with being pretty or not. It definitely was used to describe any girl who was fairly chubby, whether or not she was pretty. I definitely wouldn't take it in a good way, lol.
I know the girl who used that term for me, and she did not mean it in a bad way at all so I'm not going to assume she did.
I know a lot of hispanics mean it as a term of endearment, but some of us ( in my family) that grew up a little detached from the Hispanic culture.. still found it a little insulting, but we still knew better.
Yeah, the girl who said it meant it as a term of endearment, and she is a sweetie. I just don't usually assume people are insulting me unless it's obvious.
Oh yes! It can be a term of endearment when used by family and close friends. I was just meaning when someone refers to a stranger as a "gordita" they are not necessarily referring to them as a very pretty chubby woman, they can just be describing the chubby aspect. If a stranger were to call me a gordita they may very well mean it in an insulting way, so they might be expecting a slap from me, lol.
Then again, I speak only spanish to a majority of my family, and when I was younger they called me gordita sometimes, but never meant it maliciously. It all depends on who is saying it.
Exactly.
The funny part about it was that (as a white girl who just learned to count to ten in spanish like 3 months ago), I was thinking, "Why did she call me a taco?" LOL0 -
I've dropped that "WE" word before. For me I guess when it comes out I'm not really thinking about how it will effect the other person, and because I don't get offended by it, I assume (we all know how that works in the world) that other people wouldn't be either.
This is the running joke comic between me and my best friend...who has lost 100lbs! (She is kicking my *kitten* at this weight loss LOL)
Haha awe that's cute.0 -
I've found that when people who are overweight make fun of other people's weight they are just trying to mask their own insecurities and make themselves feel better (usually the reason behind most bullying and teasing!). I've been made fun of by some people that weren't exactly model-material themselves. It stings but they're probably just jealous in one way or another! (I may be fat but I have a hot husband and two adorable kids lol)0
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LOL @ the gordita!
OP I know you're just ranting, but unless someone means a comment as an insult, don't take it that way. People make observations and blurt things out without understanding the implications of their word choices all the time. Its impossible to know what will be insulting to another person. You happen to be okay with "larger woman" but not fat to describe the same exact thing. Someone else in the world might have life experiences to make "larger woman" an insulting phrase. The gordita comment is a perfect example of this- people with different cultures an non-native english speakers may have totally different interpretations of words. Its never, ever going to change no matter how much it annoys you.
Nicely said.
As for the OP. I have been called 'bigger' but what's funny is it was a similar comment of "Us larger..." or "We are..." and the other person was someone I consider to be 'smaller'/fit/not-large in any regard. It's all perspective & intention. Truthfully I don't like when I feel, look or am called large, big, fat, etc in any way - or even implied. It's not that I'm insulted, it's just that it personally makes me uncomfortable/embarrased. I realize when describing someone, generally you will have to refer to size though. As for commentary on self. I know people who are friends that call themselves (and sometimes myself) b*tches, d*cks, etc - why we do this as people? I dunno, but I tend to just shrug it off.
I'm sure there's things I say that may bother someone in an aspect I don't realize.0 -
I know that I feel more comfortable around other "fatties" and that a lot of other "fatty" women do, too. Cruelty doesn't stop after high school, you know. Just last week a grown man moo'd at me from his car in a crosswalk. It's easier to try to make friends with people you think are more likely to accept you. She was probably just trying to encourage camaraderie. Give the gal a break.0
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you may burn in hell for your NANNY NANNY NANNY, but I'll be right there to keep you company!
Oh god, I just realized you meant the word "Nanny" what I would have put as "Neener." ......I'm sitting here reading this thread like....."why is she calling her a nanny? Is there a stereotype about nannies being fat? That's not funny."
No.....I will openly call myself big [and mean it] in front of girls who are techincally bigger....and it's not that I'm trying to make them feel uncomfortable....actually, I don't even call mysefl fat....but I'll just subtly say, "I'm working on that" if the topic arises.
The truth is......when I see someone bigger than me, especially if its a close friend or something, I think nothing of it. I honestly think, "No, no, you're fine, don't think you have to lose weight.".....yet if I were their weight, I'd be so upset. Somebody figure that messed up logic out.
Lol at what being FAT has mentally done to me.0 -
The truth is......when I see someone bigger than me, especially if its a close friend or something, I think nothing of it. I honestly think, "No, no, you're fine, don't think you have to lose weight.".....yet if I were their weight, I'd be so upset. Somebody figure that messed up logic out.
Lol at what being FAT has mentally done to me.
ooooh I *detest* when someone says that to me. "no you dont need to loose weight" or "you dont need to loose that much"... EXCUSE ME! Aside from the fact that everyone should be allowed to decide what is their goal for their own body (barring mental illness), the unhealthy aspect of being obese should make it a requirement for me to loose weight. And someone, especially someone close to me, saying "nono you dont need to" feels like someone saying "no you dont need to be healthy". It also helps strengthen any delusions I have of not being all that fat - I usually think I am thinner than I actually am, telling me its fine puts me in a false safe zone.
I'm fine with someone trying to be kind and saying "but you dont look that fat" or "you carry it well".. but telling me I don't need to is just silly. Tripple so if the person is herself trying to loose 10 pounds.I know that I feel more comfortable around other "fatties" and that a lot of other "fatty" women do, too. Cruelty doesn't stop after high school, you know. Just last week a grown man moo'd at me from his car in a crosswalk. It's easier to try to make friends with people you think are more likely to accept you. She was probably just trying to encourage camaraderie. Give the gal a break.
That might be true. You sort of assume that people who come from the same place/look similar/are into the same hobbies/etc will be more approachable than someone who doesn't. That includes someone of the same shape, size and colouring. Being fat is something that two people can have in common, though we will experience it slightly differently there are certain commonalities. Like "where do you buy your clothes", or complaining about the size of airplane seats :P With fat being one of the things picked on in school (and onwards) it's a touchy thing to declare you have in common with a stranger though. Most things you get picked on for, are touchy subjects.. I've met nerds that are touchy about talking of that as a common ground since they were picked on for that. I put "us fatties" in the same group as "us blondies" or "us gingers" too (heard it said, not one of either so :P ..more of a kinderegg). If the person being talked to is fine with that nickname she will grin and keep talking.. if the person is vulnerable to it they will take offense.0 -
I am a writer of fiction and a moderately well-followed blog called "A Fat Girl & A Fat Horse". I have long ago stopped considering the word "fat" to be anything more than a descriptor - the same as the fact that I am tall, blonde, and fair skinned. One of my dearest friends who also struggles with her weight was SO offended and upset that I referred to myself in that way. We have had many a conversation about this. Fat does not have to be a "bad word" - when it is used as an insult - well, I consider the people who sling it for the purpose of offending to have much larger problems with their lives than the fact that I am fat.
I am completely comfortable with myself now, I was completely comfortable with myself 75lbs ago and you know, that was really the first step to success in losing the weight. I accepted myself and recognized that my value was not tied to a number on the scale or a sometimes-used-as-an-insult descriptor word. It was truly the first step to happiness and freedom. I don't want to lose weight because I want to stop being able to be described as "fat" (come on, I was 10lbs11oz when I was born, I am 6' tall with size 12 feet, I will ALWAYS be "fat" by SOMEBODY'S standards, even at my goal weight) but because I want to have a stronger, faster, more powerful body than I have right now. And if I didn't lose a pound or an inch in the process, I would be completely okay with that. It was truly an epiphany.0 -
The only way to deal with this is being open and honest with that person and tell her that you understand that she is not being malicious at all with her comment and she's just trying to be cute, but it's just not something that you find cute in any way and you would prefer that in respect to both of you that the comment stops. Remind her that if she uses those words, then people will think they can use them too, then she loses the right to be upset.
Her reaction and her thoughts about your sensitivity about the words/subject is her opinion and views and have nothing to do with you. Remember that no one will respect you if you don't. If it's something that bothers you and you don't voice your feelings, you are lacking self respect.0 -
There was a woman who was at least twice my biggest size who once asked to borrow a clothing item of mine and complained it was "more snug than I thought, do you have a bigger one from when you were bigger?" I may be kind of an *kitten*, but I was never anywhere NEAR her size and for her to think I was... infuriated me.0
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This happend to me last night actually by two girls who were both at least two dress sizes bigger than I am. Being made fun of about your weight isn't nice anyway, but it's just a huge cheek when the person is bigger than you!0
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Maybe you both should stop calling other women fat since it apparently bothers you so much when they do it to you.
well said!!!0
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