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My point was even if I was 'thin' I would still be overweight according to BMI. Everyone is different in terms of bone density, muscularity etc.To answer your topic, I have lost 11 pounds. According to BMI, etc. I probably should lose another 20. I would like to correspondingly have a 32 inch waist too. So that will require more upper body muscle. I have a long way to go. I am not a muscular guy probably more average so the BMI figures suit well for me.
And likewise, my LBM without any of my fat is around 175lbs (5'9" tall). That means without a single gram of fat on my body, I would still be clinically overweight. It's not like I'm a professional athlete either - I've just always stayed fit under the flab.
If you're looking at body fat, you have to consider in terms of your percentage and your age. People who are normal weight or thin don't have flab.0 -
I think people are just trying to be helpful....if you don't want to hear what others have to say then why post at all?
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I can not see your board, so I'll take your word for it.0
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Measurements are more accurate than a scale.
I agree with people who follow the "measuring tape-rule" because its more realistic and accurate.
BINGO!!!! We have a winner.
To the OP, until you stop letting the scale control you, you are making losing weight twice as hard as it really is.
Actually, they're not more accurate. If people measure in slightly different positions or holding the tape with a different tension you can get different results. (This is a big issue in bespoke tailoring, when patterns are made from the client's measurements.) The inaccuracy is why insurers haven't gone over to measuring people's waists and hips. Plus, it's more intrusive, time-consuming, and expensive.
I measure myself occasionally because it is another measure, but I'm never sure of my accuracy. If i'm using the same scale every time I have a decent baseline.0 -
What exactly are you expecting from this site? Ultimately, you alone are responsible for reaching your goals. All any one else can do is offer support based on their own knowledge and experience. Simply take what you can use and leave the rest.The ENTIRE site might be a fitness site but this board...is WEIGHTLOSS.
Perhaps its title should be changed to Weightloss and Body compesition Help?
But like I said....I do NOT care to be smaller if my BMI still screams obese. And if BMI doesn't matter tell me why it matters to insurance companies? Because when are you trying to get health insurance, or my case a job, weight on the scale matters.
Not Body Fat Percentage, not the size of my hips and waiste...BMI.
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The ENTIRE site might be a fitness site but this board...is WEIGHTLOSS.
Perhaps its title should be changed to Weightloss and Body compesition Help?
But like I said....I do NOT care to be smaller if my BMI still screams obese. And if BMI doesn't matter tell me why it matters to insurance companies? Because when are you trying to get health insurance, or my case a job, weight on the scale matters.
Not Body Fat Percentage, not the size of my hips and waiste...BMI.
End rant.
WEll It matters because BMI is Body Mass Index. The less BODY MASS INDEX you have the less BODY FAT YOU have. The less Body Fat you have the leaner and toner you are. HENCE Losing inches. There you go i have now took you down the ladder of why Inches is important so that you dont have to rant over it when people tell you to measure. It is very important. THE reason? A typical BMI for Healthy women weght is around 20. to 25. I have been 170 lbs with a bmi of 30 30 is OBESE, 170 lbs is overweight. You tell me which one IM going to by. They scale says that Im overweight however bmi states i have 30% bmi and that is considred obesed. Im still going to loose to get out of the bmi. TO me that equates to I have to much fat and not enough lean muscle. In that case I would want to loose fat not muscle. the scale is only a measurement along with measuring inches. TO loose weight you must loose inches and weight and trust me they dont always go together.
over weight according to BMI
had to throw in a white girl
Isn't she like 110lbs?
I think the only "overweight" person in this example is michael jordan's playing weight. Everyone else is in the normal range.0 -
As much as I agree with 90% of the posts (some of them hilarious, some of them just kind of dismissive and superior-- why is it that we always think our "right" answers delivered in that righteous tone will be helpful? I'm so guilty of this too, we really have to cut it out) I'm sorry that you're struggling with a scale problem. I can certainly understand how frustrating it is. I hate it when the scale doesn't say what I want it to, so I look to other measurements, like the inches I lose even when the scale doesn't change, but I can see that doesn't solve your problem.
I don't know if posting an open letter on a public forum telling people to quit offering you suggestions/encouragement not to your liking is the best way to get any constructive feedback/help. If nothing anyone says here is helping you, I'd seek other sources of information rather than just ranting to people who are trying to help.
Good luck to you, I hope you find a way to make the scale work for you.0 -
Well this certainly made for an entertaining Sunday morning read.
I've actually been thinking a lot over the past few days about how much I changed, as a person, since joining MFP. I've been on here for almost a year. I started out just looking to lose weight -- that's it. I had no interest in getting "fitter" "healthier" "taking measurements" or anything else.
I lost the majority of my weight in the first 4-5 months (I was only slightly overweight -- but I was extremely unfit). Due to the calorie restrictions, I made better food choices (hey, veggies are low cal!). I noticed my energy levels increasing and other random health benefits, so when the scale stopped moving, I decided to look more into the "fitness" stuff.
I haven't lost any weight in 6+ months. But people still come up to me and say "Did you lose weight?!" because I got slimmer, and fitter. I rock climb, I run (something I though I'd NEVER be able to do), I lift heavy things, and I'm totally OK with the scale going up as long as my measurements stay the same or go down.
The amazing people on my friends list get the credit for helping to change my mindset from "weight loss" to being health and fitness oriented. They also get the credit for inspiring me to want to try new things and see how far I can push my body as I progress forward.
So, some MFP members may not realize it yet, or they may never realize it, but this community can really change the way you view your body, and the things you do with it, but only if you let it. And really, you should. It's super fun.0 -
My point was even if I was 'thin' I would still be overweight according to BMI. Everyone is different in terms of bone density, muscularity etc.To answer your topic, I have lost 11 pounds. According to BMI, etc. I probably should lose another 20. I would like to correspondingly have a 32 inch waist too. So that will require more upper body muscle. I have a long way to go. I am not a muscular guy probably more average so the BMI figures suit well for me.
And likewise, my LBM without any of my fat is around 175lbs (5'9" tall). That means without a single gram of fat on my body, I would still be clinically overweight. It's not like I'm a professional athlete either - I've just always stayed fit under the flab.
If you're looking at body fat, you have to consider in terms of your percentage and your age. People who are normal weight or thin don't have flab.
That's true. But the idea that someone who was actually fit could not persuade an insurer or an employer of that is absurd. It's another one of those excuses people float. The fact is that the BMI is a reasonably accurate ROUGH MEASURE for populations and the people who complain about it the most are overweight or obese by any standard. There was a woman here the other day saying that the BMI did not apply to her because it said she was obese-- African Americans need a different scale, she claimed. She was 41% FAT.0 -
I see your point about the weight being the only factor that insurance and others often times are looking at, but sometimes, I need indicators that I'm still heading the right direction even when the scale doesn't show it that week. So the measurements, help me stay positive and keep on track, so that the next week or the week after, I will see #'s reflected on the scale as well. If I'm not losing weight or inches, than I'm probably doing something wrong. So, I really like the other indicators, and appreciate the people who keep me positive and give me support. If you're going to post on here, most people are going to try and be supportive, and don't know that their encouragement will not be appreciated by you as most of us need it. I suggest, you stop posting and being such a discouragement to others who are only being helpful, and sound like are giving you good advice you don't want to hear.0
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I personally feel that there are a LOT of people who are being extremely rude here! Lets be SUPPORTIVE!
I stopped supporting stupidity 3 hours ago. She just missed the deadline. Sorry. :-(0 -
The ENTIRE site might be a fitness site but this board...is WEIGHTLOSS.
Perhaps its title should be changed to Weightloss and Body compesition Help?
But like I said....I do NOT care to be smaller if my BMI still screams obese. And if BMI doesn't matter tell me why it matters to insurance companies? Because when are you trying to get health insurance, or my case a job, weight on the scale matters.
Not Body Fat Percentage, not the size of my hips and waiste...BMI.
End rant.
WEll It matters because BMI is Body Mass Index. The less BODY MASS INDEX you have the less BODY FAT YOU have. The less Body Fat you have the leaner and toner you are. HENCE Losing inches. There you go i have now took you down the ladder of why Inches is important so that you dont have to rant over it when people tell you to measure. It is very important. THE reason? A typical BMI for Healthy women weght is around 20. to 25. I have been 170 lbs with a bmi of 30 30 is OBESE, 170 lbs is overweight. You tell me which one IM going to by. They scale says that Im overweight however bmi states i have 30% bmi and that is considred obesed. Im still going to loose to get out of the bmi. TO me that equates to I have to much fat and not enough lean muscle. In that case I would want to loose fat not muscle. the scale is only a measurement along with measuring inches. TO loose weight you must loose inches and weight and trust me they dont always go together.
over weight according to BMI
had to throw in a white girl
Isn't she like 110lbs?
Here we go again. Do you look like any of those people? Do you have their level of muscularity or their low body fat percentage? Let's not forget frame and bone density.0 -
Actually, it's a fitness site.
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Here we go again. Do you look like any of those people? Do you have their level of muscularity or their low body fat percentage?
Even with the level of fitness they have they're not even considered overweight. So its not even a good excuse example lol.0 -
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This is the stupidest rant ever.
I just felt this needed to be reposted.. :bigsmile:0 -
Weight loss is a SIDE EFFECT of fitness. Get fit, lose weight AND inches.
And boobs, which does sort of suck.0 -
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I have 210LBM, i am 6ft 2inches tall. If I weighed at my LBM(no fat what so ever) I'll still be considered over weight.
You might think "well you have a lot of LBM" we're going by my WEIGHT for LBM. Anyone who is 6ft 2inchs tall that weighs 210lbs, fat, skinny, medium, whatever... is considered over weight.
You're also going to lose some of that lbm when you lose weight anyway too. Plus if you can show that you're fit otherwise then why does it matter? Most people really aren't muscular. There are always exceptions of course, such as yourself. A lot of obese people like to think they have a body builder hiding under all those layers of fat but its simply not true for most people.0 -
Seems like OP posted in the past expecting people to.... magically make the number on her scale less? I don't get it. No matter what is posted OP wont be satisfied until she does the work herself and starts seeing results (both with her physical appearance and with the numbers on the scale).
Also, I've been on a weight loss journey for over 10 months now and I've started to realize that inches and pounds both come off. Not always at the same rate. When I increased my activity I FELT skinnier/smaller/healthier/happier/better about myself but the scale numbers slowed down for a while. I just assumed it was because of the change in activity and left it at that. Eventually they kept going down over time.
I don't know what OP wants us to say to make her feel better but I think everyone has said it in one way or another??? Here is what I would say to OP to maybe make her realize something about the scale numbers: Just keep at it and take it one day and one week at a time. If you follow the plan you WILL start to see results and your body WILL change. Oh, and the number on the scale WILL go down.0 -
I am here to LOSE weight...not inches, no cm, not improve my ability to do a standing broad jump...WEIGHTLOSS. When I complain about not losing any real weight...don't ask me if I have measured my hips.
Denise
Actually, most everyone, myself included, is here to be more healthy. That includes increased cardiovascular function, endurance, strength, lean muscle mass, lowered blood pressure and lower cholesterol readings. For many, it means winning the battle against diabetes and other medical conditions caused by being overweight. Yet others are here as part of their battle against an eating disorder. And tons of members are here to maintain their health, track macros, gain weight and body build.
If I only looked at my scale, I'd have given up a long time ago. My measurements tell my story much better than my scale ever could. I'm 20lbs heavier than I was the last time I was in a single digit clothing size. I'm losing only 1-3lbs a month now, but I look and feel better than I have in years. I'm certain I'm not alone.
Just because this specific forum board is titled "weight loss", it's not about starvation or 1200 calories or liquid diets. It doesn't mean there aren't other things that factor into it. Many members who post on these boards have lost weight in a very healthy way and are keeping it off through maintenance. When people feel discouraged about hitting a plateau, those shrinking measurements give renewed strength.
Anyone can try a fad diet and lose some pounds/kilograms/stones quickly. This site, and the supportive members on it, are here to help us live healthy lives to lose weight and KEEP IT OFF.0 -
Unless you are weight training pretty heavily three times a week or more I fail to see how measuring matters either.
Because by taking down the measurements as well as the number on the scale, it is more encouragement.
Hell, I remember only losing 0.4lbs one week, however when I took my measurements, I discovered my waist had lost half an inch, my hips quarter of an inch as well as quarter of an inch off my belly - therefore measurements are important for encouragement and it spurs me on to continue.
I gained a half inch on my hips in a few months but lost it else where so they don't work for me being stuck at a size 2 :grumble:
I am going to say something here that I would never normally consider saying.....
If you are a size 2 what the hell are you trying to lose weight for? The reason you put measurements ON your hips and lost it elsewhere is because your brain decided in its infinite wisdom to take whatever precious little padding you had left from one place and stick it on your hips to protect them. You had virtually nothing left to burn except the part where your measurements decreased and then the very next chance your body got to store anything, it bunged it on your hips where it was needed.
Besides which, gaining half inch in a few months is not worth worrying about - half an inch gain in three days, different matter.
When I talk about taking measurements, I am referring to those that are desperate to lose weight and if you consider yourself in that category, then you need to sit back, take stock and realize you are treading on dangerous territory, because a size 2 is NOT overweight and never will be.
Sorry people, this is getting ridiculous and dangerous now!!!!!!
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What if she's 4'11"?0 -
What possibly could be affecting your weight is your attitude. When people are asking you about measurement, perhaps they know something you do not know, right? When you come back with caps lock on (screaming) people will decide that they do not want to help you and there fore your weight loss program will stall. Just a thought.0
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Or not using US sizes?Unless you are weight training pretty heavily three times a week or more I fail to see how measuring matters either.
Because by taking down the measurements as well as the number on the scale, it is more encouragement.
Hell, I remember only losing 0.4lbs one week, however when I took my measurements, I discovered my waist had lost half an inch, my hips quarter of an inch as well as quarter of an inch off my belly - therefore measurements are important for encouragement and it spurs me on to continue.
I gained a half inch on my hips in a few months but lost it else where so they don't work for me being stuck at a size 2 :grumble:
I am going to say something here that I would never normally consider saying.....
If you are a size 2 what the hell are you trying to lose weight for? The reason you put measurements ON your hips and lost it elsewhere is because your brain decided in its infinite wisdom to take whatever precious little padding you had left from one place and stick it on your hips to protect them. You had virtually nothing left to burn except the part where your measurements decreased and then the very next chance your body got to store anything, it bunged it on your hips where it was needed.
Besides which, gaining half inch in a few months is not worth worrying about - half an inch gain in three days, different matter.
When I talk about taking measurements, I am referring to those that are desperate to lose weight and if you consider yourself in that category, then you need to sit back, take stock and realize you are treading on dangerous territory, because a size 2 is NOT overweight and never will be.
Sorry people, this is getting ridiculous and dangerous now!!!!!! :mad:
What if she's 4'11"?0 -
Size 2 isn't big even if you are 4'110
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I gained 10lbs and looked better afterwards.
Good luck with your "weight" only focus.0 -
Here we go again. Do you look like any of those people? Do you have their level of muscularity or their low body fat percentage?
Even with the level of fitness they have they're not even considered overweight. So its not even a good excuse example lol.
Exactly, Hi, Victoria.0 -
For a visual indication of how measurments matter.
That's about 5kg worth of difference. Looks a lot more right?
I understand OP why scale matters. Sometimes we get so focused on the number that we forget our body is giving us other indications that we are getting smaller. I'm currently focused on one number (being under 100kg) and I'm temporarily stopping other things to get that number. I know it's silly, but that number is important to me.
BMI is a good starting point but it's not the ONLY indicator of losing weight.0 -
I gained a half inch on my hips in a few months but lost it else where so they don't work for me being stuck at a size 2 :grumble:
I am going to say something here that I would never normally consider saying.....
If you are a size 2 what the hell are you trying to lose weight for? The reason you put measurements ON your hips and lost it elsewhere is because your brain decided in its infinite wisdom to take whatever precious little padding you had left from one place and stick it on your hips to protect them. You had virtually nothing left to burn except the part where your measurements decreased and then the very next chance your body got to store anything, it bunged it on your hips where it was needed.
Besides which, gaining half inch in a few months is not worth worrying about - half an inch gain in three days, different matter.
When I talk about taking measurements, I am referring to those that are desperate to lose weight and if you consider yourself in that category, then you need to sit back, take stock and realize you are treading on dangerous territory, because a size 2 is NOT overweight and never will be.
Sorry people, this is getting ridiculous and dangerous now!!!!!! :mad:
I never said I was overweight. I'm actually a pretty healthy weight and quite muscular. I want to lower my body fat% and have some definition. Just because your standards are low doesn't mean I have to match up to what you're doing. You stick with your fitness goals and I'll stick to mine.
FYI I'm 5'3 and 132lbs. I could lose another 20lbs and still be considered healthy if I wanted to. Also it wasn't magical body fairies that put inches on my hips. Its the almost 195lb squats and 220lb deadlifts that I've been doing most likely :flowerforyou:0 -
Size 2 isn't big even if you are 4'11
It depends on the line. They make 00s and 0s. I'm 5'2", three inches taller. Depending on the garment, I wear anything from a Petite 00 to a Petite 6, although usually a Petite 2 or 4.
A thin, well-proportioned person of 4' 11" might swim in a 2, especially if it's a Regular 2.0
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