Calling All REAL animal lovers!!!

You are absolutely closed minded. You claim to love science, but shut down any idea you dont like. Science is about being open minded. Einstein would be disappointed

I believe in science creating our world and I dont believe god exists until proven otherwise. I am not an idiot nor am I close minded, it is just my belief. Einstein would be disappointed? Einstein is dead, so is Jesus, God and the first Pope.

You are absolutely closed minded. You claim to love science, but shut down any idea you dont like. Science is about being open minded. Einstein would be disappointed

I believe in science creating our world and I dont believe god exists until proven otherwise. I am not an idiot nor am I close minded, it is just my belief. Einstein would be disappointed? Einstein is dead, so is Jesus, God and the first Pope.

Examples of being close minded abound in your posts. You dont believe in science at all. You believe in what you want to believe, which is ok, but don't flaunt believing in science. Science is about being open minded to ALL possibilities, regardless if you can prove them or not.

Scientists also had everybody believe that earth was flat. That the sun revolved around the earth. It took another scietist to prove otherwise. While you don't have to believe in god, you also should be open to the idea that there might be something out there. After all, many scientists in the past have come to believe in god after researching more and more concluding that the universe, human body, nature is just too perfect to be a conincidence and there has to be another power involved.

Don't be a close minded, keep an open mind

Your entire post is so entirely true. I don't flaunt my religion around because I just don't feel like dealing with the kinds of people who don't understand it, or view it as something its now because it isn't mainstream. Where I believe the Earth and life came from may be different from yours, and I like to just agree to disagree.

Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you should instantly shut down everything another person says.

(Or, really, you could just go with my lovable crazy father and believe we're just a bit ole alien experiment. A recent viewing of Prometheus has only cemented this in his mind. ;D)

But, really, when did this turn into a religious debate or about whether it's healthy to eat meat? It's supposed to be about respecting animals and not viewing them as object solely to be used and abused.

Your not debating, but making statements of facts about things science nor you cannot disprove. Stop flaunting that you believe in science.

Scientists also had everybody believe that earth was flat. That the sun revolved around the earth. It took another scietist to prove otherwise. While you don't have to believe in god, you also should be open to the idea that there might be something out there. After all, many scientists in the past have come to believe in god after researching more and more concluding that the universe, human body, nature is just too perfect to be a conincidence and there has to be another power involved.

Don't be a close minded, keep an open mind

Your entire post is so entirely true. I don't flaunt my religion around because I just don't feel like dealing with the kinds of people who don't understand it, or view it as something its now because it isn't mainstream. Where I believe the Earth and life came from may be different from yours, and I like to just agree to disagree.

Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you should instantly shut down everything another person says.

(Or, really, you could just go with my lovable crazy father and believe we're just a bit ole alien experiment. A recent viewing of Prometheus has only cemented this in his mind. ;D)

But, really, when did this turn into a religious debate or about whether it's healthy to eat meat? It's supposed to be about respecting animals and not viewing them as object solely to be used and abused.

Self-righteous folks would love to include their believes where ever they see fit. I've seen women talking about oppression of females in threads talking about bacon...

Once again showing your ignorance about science. If all scientists believe as you do, the world would still be flat.

Two words. Evolution and technology.

Once again showing your ignorance about science. If all scientists believe as you do, the world would still be flat.

Two words. Evolution and technology.

Which didnt happen without an open mind, and free thinking, and not "believing" that something may not be possible. Keep diggin. A scientist didnt sit there and go "Yep, boats are not possible. I know for a fact something so big cannot float. I have seen rocks sink"

This is rather comical.

Which didnt happen without an open mind, and free thinking, and not "believing" that something may not be possible. Keep diggin. A scientist didnt sit there and go "Yep, boats are not possible. I know for a fact something so big cannot float. I have seen rocks sink"

This is rather comical.

I have beliefs about many different things, doesnt mean I am close minded about boats and the way the world works. I don't believe science is the answer to everything in the world, just religion as science has facts about the big bang ect and until proven otherwise I am atheist. It doesnt matter to me how anyone else feels about my opinions as they are solely mine.

Big bang is just as much a myth as religion. Your arguments are still crap. If it doesnt matter, then stop posting. Clueless science person is still clueless

I believe that animals aren't here for us to dominate and control. I think that that factory farming is horrendous. I think that even the animals we eat should be treated properly. When I had a dog (til he passed away) he always ate better than I did.. when i was on a ramen noodle diet, he was eating dog food that was $60 a bag and was treated as if he was a my kid, but he still knew his place in the household..

It bothers me how people don't really have a regard for animals.

Hypothetical situation: There is a massive natural disaster. You and your beloved pet are trapped far away from everyone with no idea of when rescue might come. You are both starving as there is no food available. Do you eat your pet to survive, or sacrifice your life to feed the pet? Think about that long and hard. I doubt there are many people who honestly would die so that a dog/cat/gerbil/whatever would live... and those that claim so, would not actually do so when in in that situation for real.

No disrespect to your passed pooch, but I know I would take the life of any animal before the life of any human. This doesn't mean I have no regard for the animal... in fact, I would be very grateful to the animal giving me the ability to live.

Oooh, this was actually broached in a recent tv show on ABC, "The River". A man was lost in the jungle with no hope of survival or rescue - no water, no food, etc. He was with his dog, and went through the whole emotional state of planning to kill the dog for food. However, when he had the knife to its throat and was telling his dog everything would be ok, he just broke down and couldn't do it. Even faced with certain death, he couldn't kill the one creature that had stayed with him and kept him sane through all the crazy stuff happening around him.

It boils down to the individual person and their bond with their animal. Some people view their pets as just that - pets. But others view them as more than that, children even.

It is really sad to see how many animals are being abused and neglected in this world at the hands of humans. The penalty for animal abuse is not high enough. Working with rescue organizations has shown me that people are just plain evil. Torturing and killing a helpless animal for no reason should have the same penalty as killing a defenseless human child. And as far as eating meat, its not about eating them in general its the way people go about eating them. Killing baby cows and lambs before they have even lived a full life for food? That doesnt make sense to me and its terrible. If people must eat meat, how about waiting for the animal to have a decently good long life before sending them to a slaughter house? Or making the animals eat harmone infused grain instead of natural grass just to save a few dollars is awful. So basically before the animal is slaughtered it is forced into tiny pens with other animals before it is even a year old and fed stuff that is terrible for them and inject them with steroids and then they kill it. Or with chickens putting them in a 2 by 2 cage where they cannot move or stand up for there whole life then zapping them so they become paralyzed before cutting there heads off? If they did things more humane they would all be free range and live to be longer then a year. Im a vegetarian partly because i cannot digest meat properly and because i love every animal. There is signifigant research to support that way back when humans were vegetarians. The way that our body is built we shouldnt even be able to digest meat properly, something to do with the enzymes in our stomach. I read it somewhere if i find the link ill pass it along. Humans started eating meat for survival when nothing else was available and it has escalated from there. I think with all the alternatives in this world now we don't need to slaughter animals just because they taste good? If we can survive on things that don't require cruelty and death then why don't we? Vegetables and fruits and vegan alternatives can help us stay healthy, live longer and not become obese to the point where we need sites like this. If you need to eat meat then fine but there is a better way to go about it then people do.

frigg the bible is just some book some guy wrote a long time ago and there was no tv or real literature so they worshipped that. imagine if twilight had been written before there was television or any electronics or anything real to do and it was the first book you had ever seen. You would read it and everyone would think vampires were real. also the bible has been so twisted and translated by every different religiion over the many many years that nobody really knows what the real bible even said. Its all the different religions interpretations of it. Have your beliefs that is fine just stop trying to shove it down everyones throat.