Let the bloodbath begin....
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Well I log a certain pleasurable chore as "Cardio" but unfortunately it doesn't happen as often as I would like!
LOL...really, don't laugh...I have wondering if you can log this..especially, you know the really "creative" kind. It's not in the database though, I have checked! LOL
i read people disguise it. One woman called it "Horseback riding"0 -
I really think people lose sight of the fact that not everyone is out to get super slim, super low body fat, super in shape, super sculpted. Some people want to be a healthy weight and they want to be more active. Logging activity is a visual pat on the back - and not everyone is eating back those calories.
For some people, a three mile walk is as much of a work out as they WANT to do. And that's fine unless they're whining about not being able to see their abdominal muscles.
In the end, it's ridiculous for people to call other people out on the things they log unless they've asked for advice or are a good friend. Everyone's journey is individual - we're not all heading to the same destination. Everyone is ready for things in their own time, you can't change your life until you're ready and not everyone moves at the same pace or in the same way.0 -
I log my chores. There. I said it.
I have a disability and our household chores are shared by everyone. When someone else doesn't do theirs and I have to pick up the slack, heck yeah I log it.
I use this rule of thumb...If I break a sweat and am higher than 70% of my target heartrate zone, it can be logged.0 -
I worked construction labor in the summers on heavy bridge and highway work 10-12 hour days, 5-6 days per week, (very physically demanding) and not a single calorie from physical activity was tracked those summers. I don't even understand why people would be so ridiculous to input a cardio session or a lifting workout??? You can't even begin to calculate the additional calories burned from those activities correctly. I think its a excuse for people to indulge more food, maybe self control is the issue and plugging those calories is an excuse.
Here is an idea, stick to a regular training schedule and adjust your caloric intake based on what the scale shows. Saved your self the time and free up your life, in my opinion you are going to an extreme that will eventually lead you to burn out and quit. Many other things to be enjoyed in life than going through the trouble of counting calories burned from chewing your dinner, trust me.
Good for you, if you've found something that works for you, that's great.
But, I think the point of this thread is "don't knock people who do it a different way"!
If someone is using MFP to set their daily calorie allowance, then they SHOULD be adding extra activity/exercise that burns calories over and above their basic allowance. That's the whole premise of the MFP calculations, to get your total calorie allowance for the day you eat what is suggested, plus what you burn from exercise. You don't have to like it, but that's they way they've designed it.
If this doesn't work for you and you want a stable calorie allowance then use another calculator. It's not a case of right or wrong, it's case of finding what works.
And no, those numbers aren't going to be accurate - but frankly, neither are the food calories or the BMR or any of the other numbers we use - they are all estimates/guidelines. I've found MFP to make a lot of sense and it's been an incredible tool to help me lose a significant amount of weight, and keep it off - so those estimates have been a great tool for me to use.0 -
There are so many responses to your points, but essentially, the past isn't particularly relevant: In the "olden days":
---People were not focused on health as they are now. Nor did they expect to have the kind of quality of life and longevity that many take for granted.
--Even ordinary life required more energy. For example, using a manual typewriter burns more calories than typing on a computer.
Casual activity is for people who are maintaining their weight. People who need to lose a fair amount of weight in a reasonable time frame must exercise in a structured, intense manner for a significant period of time.0 -
Well I log a certain pleasurable chore as "Cardio" but unfortunately it doesn't happen as often as I would like!
LOL...really, don't laugh...I have wondering if you can log this..especially, you know the really "creative" kind. It's not in the database though, I have checked! LOL
i read people disguise it. One woman called it "Horseback riding"
I gardened for 30 minutes one weekend
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sometimes my exercise diary says " dinosnopro burned 30 calories doing five minutes of alone time " I log everything. YOLO
So on those nights when we get, um...er...acrobatic, let's say - how does it get logged? Ideas?0 -
I log my chores. There. I said it.
I have a disability and our household chores are shared by everyone. When someone else doesn't do theirs and I have to pick up the slack, heck yeah I log it.
I use this rule of thumb...If I break a sweat and am higher than 70% of my target heartrate zone, it can be logged.
Me too Gayje, if I break a sweat, it is an exercise, if not, I don't log it.0 -
It's not part of my daily routine. I know a lot of other people who don't strenuously scrub their floors on their hands and knees daily but they will log it if they do it. My levels are set to sedentary because I SIT almost all day long - so if I do clean, it's outside of my daily routine of sitting. Once again....our ancestors used chores as exercise, so why shouldn't people on MFP?????
I have mine set at sedentary also, so if i am breaking a sweat cleaning i log it, if im doing dishes for 5 min i don't. If i weed i log it because i break a sweat pulling weeds. I also look at it as if im just starting to sweat, i log half the time0 -
Wait.. i work out every day so not it is a routine.. i should not log it now.. so i will bike everyday.. wait then its a routine and i can't log it.. .. oh so if i only work out once and a while then it is a work out.. man i have been doing it wrong..
WHO CARES NOT ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS move on do what you do and let them do what they do. GEZZZ.. or keep arguing because if i type faster i am longing it 0 -
I really think people lose sight of the fact that not everyone is out to get super slim, super low body fat, super in shape, super sculpted. Some people want to be a healthy weight and they want to be more active. Logging activity is a visual pat on the back - and not everyone is eating back those calories.
For some people, a three mile walk is as much of a work out as they WANT to do. And that's fine unless they're whining about not being able to see their abdominal muscles.
In the end, it's ridiculous for people to call other people out on the things they log unless they've asked for advice or are a good friend. Everyone's journey is individual - we're not all heading to the same destination. Everyone is ready for things in their own time, you can't change your life until you're ready and not everyone moves at the same pace or in the same way.
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cleaning at different efforts IS on MFP. (light, moderate and vigorous)0
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There are so many responses to your points, but essentially, the past isn't particularly relevant: In the "olden days":
---People were not focused on health as they are now. Nor did they expect to have the kind of quality of life and longevity that many take for granted.
--Even ordinary life required more energy. For example, using a manual typewriter burns more calories than typing on a computer.
Casual activity is for people who are maintaining their weight. People who need to lose a fair amount of weight in a reasonable time frame must exercise in a structured, intense manner for a significant period of time.
I'm not saying this is a 1:1 ratio. Of course there are some major differences between the "olden days" and modern times - my point is exercise is not just structured activity. All activity burns some calories. Are you going to look like a supermodel by "mopping 30 mins" everyday exclusively? For 99.9% of us the answer is no, but that doesn't mean you aren't still burning calories. Quite frankly, I don't plan to look like a supermodel. I
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Because chores are a part of your daily routine. You don't account for them because it's a normal part of your day. You might as well log your trips to the bathroom as Walking, 2 mph, slow pace (2 minutes). It's basically the same thing. I think anything you have to go out of the way to do that requires strenuous effort can be logged. Everything else is null.
You haven't seen my house! Bahhhaahahahahahah!0 -
Wait.. i work out every day so not it is a routine.. i should not log it now.. so i will bike everyday.. wait then its a routine and i can't log it.. .. oh so if i only work out once and a while then it is a work out.. man i have been doing it wrong..
WHO CARES NOT ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS move on do what you do and let them do what they do. GEZZZ.. or keep arguing because if i type faster i am longing it
Hey, since you have responded to this post twice and broke your routine, I think you get to log it as exercise!!! lol
PS love the profile pic - huge Pats fan here
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Log what you want. Wouldn't bother me none. It's your body/business/life.
Oh wait. BRB. Someone is wrong on the Internet. 0 -
Can you get a gold medal in Toilet Bowl scrubbing?0
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I think everyone just needs to do what works for them. Sometimes I log things as cleaning because that's the closest description I can find (I don't have an HRM). It is my diary and my choice. I have a system for determining what I count. You have a system for determining what you count. Neither of us is wrong.
If someone chooses to log stuff to justify cals when maybe that activity has really already been accounted for then that is their business. It is not my weight loss journey so they can do whatever they want. I personally don't log stuff like a sprinkle of pepper on my food. Some people do. My life, my business that I didn't count the 1/4 of a cal or whatever.
People shouldn't attack others for what they choose to do. How does what I log affect you?0 -
I think everyone just needs to do what works for them. Sometimes I log things as cleaning because that's the closest description I can find (I don't have an HRM). It is my diary and my choice. I have a system for determining what I count. You have a system for determining what you count. Neither of us is wrong.
If someone chooses to log stuff to justify cals when maybe that activity has really already been accounted for then that is their business. It is not my weight loss journey so they can do whatever they want. I personally don't log stuff like a sprinkle of pepper on my food. Some people do. My life, my business that I didn't count the 1/4 of a cal or whatever.
People shouldn't attack others for what they choose to do. How does what I log affect you?
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If you can get your heart rate up or work some muscle whats wrong with cleaning. I know some that log as heavy vigerous cleaning but to me what is heavy and vigerous in dusting ,sweeping running the sweeper or mopping?? I would log it as light.
But the way I see it if one wants to lie to themselves they ONLY hurt themselves.
Also if one mows grass a pass or to then rest for 15 min then another couple swipes rest 15 min. then finish uo 4 hours later and logs 4 hours mowing grass counting breaks and all they only hurt themselves, I don't worry though about others I am worried to much about me right now,
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ah.... this. again.
yeah, I don't get why people get so amped up that they have to bash other people either.
it's the inter-webs people, just do what works for you.0 -
Somebody should make a cleaning exercise DVD series. I think it would be a hit!0
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haha, chores are so NOT a part of my daily routine.
I work full time and go to school full time.
In the school holidays is usually the only time I have to clean my room which will usually take some 5+ hours. I use my HRM, put some music on, wiggle away and my HRM says that I burn 1000+ calories so why shouldn't I log it? It makes me sweat for sure.
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I think logging clean or walking ur dog, stuff like tht is like a sorry excuse for exercise. Cleaning & walking is part of daily life. It something we all do.
Some people don't even walk that's new to them. Some people are sedentary and barely walk from their couch to the mailbox. So for them it's exercise. I guess in the same way so can chores.
That topic was my topic from before if I'm correct. The one about cleaning. I just didn't know if that was something that people counted as exercise. It hadn't even occured to me that that could be exercise. But someone said in that forum that if you lead a sedentary lifestyle then yes, cleaning would be exercise.
I think we've all forgotten that exercise was daily routine things back in the day. Nobody jogged or rode their bike just to do it for exercise, they had a destination becuase they couldn't drive into town. It's no secret that things have changed drastically in the last 100 years, I think it's just changed so much that we forget! LIFE used to be exercise!0 -
I think people need to mind their own business, lol. I mean, what issue is it of their's if someone wants to log that they vacuumed for 15 minutes?
I personally don't usually log chores unless I'm spring cleaning or going above and beyond my normal and even then only if I work up a sweat and get out of breath, which sometimes I actually do because I'll move furniture to sweep and mop under/behind the couch, TV stand, etc. Moving all that crap around in every room of the house IS a serious work out every few months.
I think another thing people don't think about is that a lot of folks feel that MFP greatly over-estimates calories burned. I know some people who will log doing a "menial" chore for 30 minutes when in reality, they walked a brisk pace around the neighborhood but they do it because the chore is lower calories so they feel like they're getting a more accurate count. Just because an exercise is listed doesn't mean that's what they actually did. Some people aren't tech saavy and know how to enter their own calorie counts so it's easier to find a small chore already in the database than to figure out their own and add it in.
So many reasons why people can and do log chores but again, it all comes back to it's no one else's business. Plain and simple. I do not understand why people feel the need to take it upon themselves to be the MFP exercise police.0 -
I get what you're saying OP, that you don't have to be on a treadmill or lifting dumbbells to be exercising. I agree with that, but I guess for me it would depend on the activity. If I was moving furniture, scrubbing floors and sweating, then I would log it. But I'm not going to log vacuuming the living room or just doing the dishes. To your point about previous generations, a hundred years ago chores meant that you had to take your clothes to the river and really scrub for hours or chop wood or walk 2 miles to retrieve a lost cow or something, so that's way more strenuous stuff. Given what little energy we must exert to clean anymore, the housework would have to be some serious activity and leave me hot and sweaty for me to log it so I personally don't.
Having said that, if doing the dishes makes YOU sweaty, then YOU can log it. Ask yourself if it's the right thing to do and go with it. At the end of the day, you only have to answer to yourself. If your goals don't get met, then perhaps you need to reevaluate the process.
If what you're doing works for you, then don't listen to people who tell you that you're doing it wrong. There's some bad info. floating around here. And I'm all for a good debate, but some people just get too worked up or downright mean on the boards. When that happens, I'm just not willing to listen to them anymore.0 -
Here's my thought on logging chores and the like:
MFP set up your calorie intake for you, based on your height, weight, and activity level. From there, you log exercise and food intake. The way I see it, chores are part of your activity level- you would do them regardless of if you were losing weight or not. Sure, some days you might walk around downtown for a couple hours or do a thorough cleaning of the house, but other days you might just watch TV for 12 hours. It eventually will even itself out, and your activity level is just an estimate for your average day. So I'm personally of the belief that unless you're intentionally doing it for exercise, it shouldn't be logged as exercise. Make sense?
On a more practical note, logging things like window shopping and light cleaning can very easily lead you to overestimate your calorie burned, meaning you eat more calories and then eat into your deficit, slowing your weight loss. I get we all want to burn lots of lots of calories, but in the long run I find it to be more detrimental than helpful to log non-exercises.0 -
Can you get a gold medal in Toilet Bowl scrubbing?
Olympic Toilet Bowl Scrubbing is the new sport this summer. Or is it the one that they canceled. I don't remember.0 -
This websites calculations are wrong, every other websites calculations are wrong, your heart rate monitor is wrong, it is impossible to figure out how many calories you actually burn though any reasonable means. We have formulas because they get reasonably close, close enough for us to figure out on our own what level of calories causes weight gain/loss. This is why we have so many different opinions on here, a lot are blatantly wrong but people follow them because they "work". Lets assume the calorie intake is really close for you, if you set it at 2 LBS a week it is a 1000 calorie deficit, that gives you a lot of room to screw up a hell of a lot of things and still be in weight loss range. So logging small things like that and focusing on it that much is really just hurting yourself.
The reason I came here was to say that back in the day people also did 14+ hours of manual labor, weight lifted, all sorts of real physical activities. Don't compare heavy work on a farm, in a factory, building a damn pyramid or whatever else to daily chores we have now. They didn't stay in shape from pushing a broom around for 15 minutes. People have been competing in physical events since, well basically forever across all different kinds of populations. I really don't know where you got the idea that chores are what kept people in shape before commercial gyms. I should also mention things like wars back in the day, savagely killing other men all day long burns a few calories as well.
That being said, I couldn't care less what other people log or don't log. If you want to set it to sedentary and log small things, then fine. Only came here to point out that chores are not the reasons the Greeks built statues of human beings. Oh, and don't be so strict when doing so is near impossible unless you have everything dialed in for your own body.0 -
This websites calculations are wrong, every other websites calculations are wrong, your heart rate monitor is wrong, it is impossible to figure out how many calories you actually burn though any reasonable means. We have formulas because they get reasonably close, close enough for us to figure out on our own what level of calories causes weight gain/loss. This is why we have so many different opinions on here, a lot are blatantly wrong but people follow them because they "work". Lets assume the calorie intake is really close for you, if you set it at 2 LBS a week it is a 1000 calorie deficit, that gives you a lot of room to screw up a hell of a lot of things and still be in weight loss range. So logging small things like that and focusing on it that much is really just hurting yourself.
The reason I came here was to say that back in the day people also did 14+ hours of manual labor, weight lifted, all sorts of real physical activities. Don't compare heavy work on a farm, in a factory, building a damn pyramid or whatever else to daily chores we have now. They didn't stay in shape from pushing a broom around for 15 minutes. People have been competing in physical events since, well basically forever across all different kinds of populations. I really don't know where you got the idea that chores are what kept people in shape before commercial gyms. I should also mention things like wars back in the day, savagely killing other men all day long burns a few calories as well.
That being said, I couldn't care less what other people log or don't log. If you want to set it to sedentary and log small things, then fine. Only came here to point out that chores are not the reasons the Greeks built statues of human beings. Oh, and don't be so strict when doing so is near impossible unless you have everything dialed in for your own body.
I think as recent as the early 20th century people were doing chores to keep themselves fit. Not that they were purposely doing them to stay fit just that by default they were physically fit. Women who were house wives did laundry and vacuumed and took care of children etc and there was not really an obesity problem in the world as there is today. Times are different and we have things like dishwashers and washing machines and back then men had to mow the lawn with mowers without motors, etc. So I see where you are coming from on this. I personally think it's interesting though that now we have to find activities to lose weight or stay in shape because we don't do as strenuous work because we invented these things to make our lives easier. It's kind of ironic isn't it? Now instead of doing strenuous work in our everyday lives we have to do fitness routines that keep us in shape. It's really interesting to think of it like that.0
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