8 Myths about Self-Defense Training

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  • nlhill79
    nlhill79 Posts: 60 Member
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    So I could cut my chances of being attacked, by not knowing anyone? :D I've have been in many serious situations all of which were with men that not only did I not know personally, but I had never seen before in my life. The people who actually touched me were men I was serving at restaurants.
  • nlhill79
    nlhill79 Posts: 60 Member
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    So I could cut my chances of being attacked, by not knowing anyone? :D I've have been in many serious situations all of which were with men that not only did I not know personally, but I had never seen before in my life. The people who actually touched me were men I was serving at restaurants.

    LOL!! Serious meaning dangerous. I re-read that and it sounded a little...hmph... weird. Hahaha!!
  • hlcgreene
    hlcgreene Posts: 22 Member
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    I did Ju Jitsu for 9 years, I achieved a Black Belt 2nd Dan and loved every minute of it! It keeps you fit, you meet brill people and learn how to defend yourself.

    Jiu Jitsu is good. The whole "rolling around on the ground with another sweaty dude" isn't really my bag, but still.

    I wouldnt say its about rolling around on the ground, well what I did certainly wasnt.. unfortunately!
  • bathsheba_c
    bathsheba_c Posts: 1,873 Member
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    Thank you for sharing this info. My kickboxing teacher (karate) also teaches the COBRA self defense system, he incorporates some things into the regular class, but always says the goal is to get away, not deliver an *kitten* kicking.

    That is the hardest thing to get most men to realize. Men often want to "whoop *kitten*." In my classes I not only teach the techniques, I also teach the legalities of when "self-defense crosses the line to assault."

    As we've seen in recent very recent past, doesn't this depend on state specific laws with regards to the use of deadly force as well as responsibilities of registered martial artists (ie the concept of your body as a deadly weapon?)

    Either way - thanks for posting. I'm usually for the avoidance and being careful/aware method - but have taken a few self defense courses and martial arts styles. I don't feel overly confident, but I'm glad I took them.

    "Registering yourself as a deadly weapon" is a fictitious, movie thing. There is bill before congress that would force people to wear a label that details the amount of awesomeness they possess.

    [Insert egotistical awesomeness joke here]
    Actually, in Israel, if you have a certain level of krav maga training and you are found to have attacked someone or used unnecessary force in self-defense, it is legally considered assault with a deadly weapon.
  • BerryH
    BerryH Posts: 4,698 Member
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    I did three hour-long self-defence lessons with the London Metropolitan Police and learnt more practical information, including avoiding dangerous situations in the first place and not doing anything illegal, than I did in getting to an orange belt in karate. Some of it was, "You didn't hear this form the Police, but..."
  • chrishgt4
    chrishgt4 Posts: 1,222 Member
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    Thank you for sharing this info. My kickboxing teacher (karate) also teaches the COBRA self defense system, he incorporates some things into the regular class, but always says the goal is to get away, not deliver an *kitten* kicking.

    Cobra KAI?

    Pain does not exist in this dojo, does it?!

    NO SENSEI!
  • jonski1968
    jonski1968 Posts: 4,498 Member
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    [/quote]

    I am:
    - A 24-year practicing martial artist' with Blackbelts or BBE's in Tae Kwon, Judo, Jiu Jitsu & Krav Maga
    - A certified combatives and firearms instructor for the Department of Defense, Law Enforcement and Private Security Firms
    - A certified Rape Aggression Defense instructor
    - An attorney
    [/quote]

    Ahaaa....Krav Maga...Kapap and Urban combatives from the UK...Imo the best 3 forms you can ever study..
  • LaMujerMasBonitaDelMundo
    LaMujerMasBonitaDelMundo Posts: 3,634 Member
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    Self-Defense is NOT about toe-to-toe “Chuck-Norris-Walker-Texas-Ranger” karate fighting.
    Self-Defense is the utilization of fundamental, easily learned verbal and physical techniques, employed to effectively dissuade an attacker and leverage a 5-second window of escape.

    “Tae Bo,” “Cardio-Kickboxing” and “Aerobics” are NOT forms of Self-Defense training, and believing that they are is an excellent way to get killed.
    Aerobics classes and videos are great ways to get into shape and look good in a bathing suit. However, they are fundamentally worthless when it comes to fending off a sexual assault or abating a life-threatening confrontation. The only way to learn to Self-Defense, is to study combative techniques from a qualified instructor, and repeat those techniques until they become second nature (more specifically “muscle memory”).

    Self-Defense is NOT about “karate chops and groin kicks.”
    True Self-Defense encompasses the development of a personalized system of self-protection that incorporates proactive planning, situational awareness, verbal skills and reflex-based muscle memory development that deter attackers and discourage criminal assaults.

    Self-Defense is NOT about which martial art style is the “bad-assiest.”
    Self-Defense is specific and paramount training designed to develop skills and muscle memory around approximately 10 to 20 core, easily-to-learn techniques that can be employed to establish a 5 second “window” of lead-time on an attacker, so you may escape danger and avoid being victimized.

    Self-Defense is NOT about being an 'action hero' on a mission to save your hometown from renegade evildoers and zombies.
    The purpose of Self-Defense training to protect yourself from unlawful attacks, assaults, rape and physical confrontation.

    “Magic Touches,” “Secret Moves,” “Killer Chi” & “Vulcan Never Pinches” are myths, and completely f*cking asinine.
    Despite what is portrayed in the media, real-life fighting is raw, chaotic and in most cases, absolutely terrifying (even for those with years of training and experience). The core fundamentals of practical Self-Defense are verbal deterrents and physical techniques used to thwart attacks by targeting vulnerable areas of your attacker's anatomy. Not "whoopin' *kitten*."

    “If I'm ever attacked, I'll just shoot them.”
    This sentiment absolutely infuriates me, as it is dramatically naive and potentially catastrophic.

    Utilizing any type of weapon during a confrontation is extremely difficult and dangerous. “Shooting” someone is much easier to say, than it is to do. Once the shot is fired, your actions, methods and decisions will be judged not by you; rather they will be judged by homicide detectives, district attorneys and juries who will likely not see the circumstances in the same “light” that you do.

    If you doubt me on this point, ask George Zimmerman how he personally feels about the inane idea that one should “just shoot your attacker. It's your word against a dead man's.”

    The biggest issue with this dumbass myth is that weapons do not have a conscious nor any sense of reason. “Fight or flight” will force you to be nervous and flood your body with adrenaline, causing you to make mistakes. Those mistakes can you ruin your life, and/or the innocent lives of others.

    Thinking you don't need Self-Defense training because you own a gun, is like saying that you don't need butter knives, because you own a chainsaw.

    “What are the odds I'll ever really need Self-Defense training?”
    1 out of 3, according to the US Justice Department's reports on criminal assaults on US citizens. Another shocking statistic that of the women attacked, 80% of them will know their attacker, personally.

    Completely agree especially on the part about being an 'action hero' on a mission to save your hometown from renegade evildoers and zombies. I'd been practicing Taekwondo & Aikido (kinda similar to Judo) & our instructor/sensei repeatedly telling us to be humble enough & use our knowledge only on unavoidable circumstances & not to show-off and as much as possible stay away from areas or situations that would put your life at risk.
  • Smuterella
    Smuterella Posts: 1,623 Member
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    Very good! My brother in law teaches self defense and I took a class from him last month. He lives 900 miles away, otherwise he would be my personal trainer. I learned how to push and kick, and part of that means I learned that if you connect with the top of your foot instead of your shin you get a big bruise!

    Do you teach self defense?

    I am:
    - A 24-year practicing martial artist' with Blackbelts or BBE's in Tae Kwon, Judo, Jiu Jitsu & Krav Maga
    - A certified combatives and firearms instructor for the Department of Defense, Law Enforcement and Private Security Firms
    - A certified Rape Aggression Defense instructor
    - An attorney

    *swoon*
  • therealjanelle
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RKTSwAVaoU

    An important, educational self-defense video.
  • mfanyafujo
    mfanyafujo Posts: 232 Member
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    Excellent post. I practiced karate in a competition school for many years, and while it was fun, I eventually realized that training for competition wasn't the best way to prepare for a real life situation. Sure, we learned self-defense, but we also learned point sparring, which in some ways contradicted effective self defense.

    Now I have been studying at a traditional kung fu school for years. I feel like I know a lot more, but mostly I know to be aware and try to avoid a physical conflict at all costs. People may think they know how to kick and punch, but it's also important to practice it in a combat situation, and learn what it feels like to BE kicked and punched. No way someone can learn the proper mindset from a workout video.
  • dhakiyya
    dhakiyya Posts: 481 Member
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    Very good! My brother in law teaches self defense and I took a class from him last month. He lives 900 miles away, otherwise he would be my personal trainer. I learned how to push and kick, and part of that means I learned that if you connect with the top of your foot instead of your shin you get a big bruise!

    Do you teach self defense?

    I am:
    - A 24-year practicing martial artist' with Blackbelts or BBE's in Tae Kwon, Judo, Jiu Jitsu & Krav Maga
    - A certified combatives and firearms instructor for the Department of Defense, Law Enforcement and Private Security Firms
    - A certified Rape Aggression Defense instructor
    - An attorney

    Do you have any online material on self defence or could you recommend any? there's a few ebooks available but it all seems to be about biting, groin kicking and eye gouges... well the first if you have cuts on your gums and they have HIV or another nasty virus would be extremely dangerous, the second will put you off balance and the 3rd if you're 5'1" you can't even reach their eyes anyway (not without putting yourself massively off balance).

    I can see that your advice is very good, and I have a fair amount of martial arts experience and know a little bit about self defence, but could always use more reliable advice, and I'd also like to teach self defence to my girls as I've read some really disturbing things about young lads raping little girls after watching porn involving things like that on the internet, I know self defence is not a cast iron guarantee but it does improve your chances of getting out of situations and of course I'll be teaching them of all the dangers and reasons not to get into those situations in the first place, but some of these situations happen in the school playground or just walking to and from school, etc, and anything that's going to help them in those situations would be useful.
  • knitfastpurlyoung
    knitfastpurlyoung Posts: 102 Member
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    Thank you for sharing this info. My kickboxing teacher (karate) also teaches the COBRA self defense system, he incorporates some things into the regular class, but always says the goal is to get away, not deliver an *kitten* kicking.

    This.

    By the time I was 16, I had a few years of karate under my belt, but that wasn't what prevented me from being attacked.

    I had been chatting to a drunk guy on the platform, waiting to get on the last train home from Brighton. Small talk to pass the time. The last train is always (or used to be) full of partygoers curtailing their evening to catch the train home at midnight. It was always full of people, and there was a good hippie vibe, which is pretty typical of Brighton's live-and-let-live nature.

    I left to catch my train, and this guy got on the same one, so we sat together and continued chatting. Out of the blue, he leaned in to me, placed his hand between my legs, and asked me if I'd like to have sex with him.

    I removed his hand, and said in no uncertain terms, that I did not. Furthermore, that I thought there may have been a misunderstanding, and that I was not interested. He was drunk, I was sober, we were chatting, sometimes people get the wrong end of the stick. I said that he was absolutely not to do it again, and if he did I would move. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, I can see how the misunderstanding happened.

    Five minutes of chatting, and he does the exact same thing again. Without a word, I pick up my things, get up and walk through 4 carriages before looking to find a new spot to sit. As I turn in the middle of the carriage, looking around me for a seat, I see him as subtly as possible slip into a seat behind me. The man had followed me, and then tried to hide.

    You don't need to be a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that this just got weird, and very concerning.

    I can only think of one reason why you would try to follow a young girl, after she has told you in no uncertain terms she doesn't want to have sex with you, and then try and hide close to her.

    I knew he was getting off at the same stop as me, and I would be walking home alone. No taxis at this time, and no one at home to call to pick me up.

    He was bigger than me. Push come to shove, I probably couldn't take him. He was drunk and predatory so I couldn't reason with him. But I was surrounded by people. So I did the only thing I could think of, which was to stare him down, and say as loudly and as calmly as I could, whilst pointing at him:

    "I don't know you. I told you I didn't want to have sex with you, and now you have followed me through 4 carriages. I want you to leave me alone. I don't know you. You put your hand between my legs, I left the carriage, and you have followed me here. I do not know you."

    For those outside the UK, train carriages are quiet, even when full of partygoers, so when I started speaking you could hear a pin drop, and the man visibly squirmed.

    Within seconds, a group of about eight lads nearest to me asked me if this man was bothering me, and I said he very much was. They surrounded me like my very own group of bodyguards, and escorted me off the train when it came to my stop.

    I can not put into words how grateful I still am to that group of gents.
  • Jxnsmma
    Jxnsmma Posts: 919 Member
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    Thank you for sharing this info. My kickboxing teacher (karate) also teaches the COBRA self defense system, he incorporates some things into the regular class, but always says the goal is to get away, not deliver an *kitten* kicking.

    That is the hardest thing to get most men to realize. Men often want to "whoop *kitten*." In my classes I not only teach the techniques, I also teach the legalities of when "self-defense crosses the line to assault."

    When exactly might that be, because if some farker grabbed me you can be sure I'd gouge his eyeballs out if I needed to to get away. Especially when there are wastes of air like this guy being let loose in my city every day:

    Christopher Murdock, 47 — a repeat violent criminal designated as a long-term offender, whose convictions include three serious sexual assaults — bolted from the Osborne Correctional Centre on Main Street last Friday morning and remains at large, police have confirmed. Murdock’s sexual assault convictions include one where he raped a woman while pointing a firearm at her son, threatening to kill the boy if the mother refused to comply with his requests.In 2006 he completed a four-year sentence for twice raping a 15-year-old girl. His statutory release was revoked following that sentence after he breached conditions of his release. Murdock has served multiple sentences for serious, violent crimes but has been released repeatedly into the community despite no signs of rehabilitation.It’s the fourth time Murdock has bolted from the Osborne Correctional Centre over the past five years. He fled the facility in 2007, 2008 and 2010, each time breaching his court-ordered conditions.

    Sorry for the long rant, but reading about this guy in the paper this morning terrifies me!
  • Jxnsmma
    Jxnsmma Posts: 919 Member
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    Thank you for sharing this info. My kickboxing teacher (karate) also teaches the COBRA self defense system, he incorporates some things into the regular class, but always says the goal is to get away, not deliver an *kitten* kicking.

    This.

    By the time I was 16, I had a few years of karate under my belt, but that wasn't what prevented me from being attacked.

    I had been chatting to a drunk guy on the platform, waiting to get on the last train home from Brighton. Small talk to pass the time. The last train is always (or used to be) full of partygoers curtailing their evening to catch the train home at midnight. It was always full of people, and there was a good hippie vibe, which is pretty typical of Brighton's live-and-let-live nature.

    I left to catch my train, and this guy got on the same one, so we sat together and continued chatting. Out of the blue, he leaned in to me, placed his hand between my legs, and asked me if I'd like to have sex with him.

    I removed his hand, and said in no uncertain terms, that I did not. Furthermore, that I thought there may have been a misunderstanding, and that I was not interested. He was drunk, I was sober, we were chatting, sometimes people get the wrong end of the stick. I said that he was absolutely not to do it again, and if he did I would move. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, I can see how the misunderstanding happened.

    Five minutes of chatting, and he does the exact same thing again. Without a word, I pick up my things, get up and walk through 4 carriages before looking to find a new spot to sit. As I turn in the middle of the carriage, looking around me for a seat, I see him as subtly as possible slip into a seat behind me. The man had followed me, and then tried to hide.

    You don't need to be a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that this just got weird, and very concerning.

    I can only think of one reason why you would try to follow a young girl, after she has told you in no uncertain terms she doesn't want to have sex with you, and then try and hide close to her.

    I knew he was getting off at the same stop as me, and I would be walking home alone. No taxis at this time, and no one at home to call to pick me up.

    He was bigger than me. Push come to shove, I probably couldn't take him. He was drunk and predatory so I couldn't reason with him. But I was surrounded by people. So I did the only thing I could think of, which was to stare him down, and say as loudly and as calmly as I could, whilst pointing at him:

    "I don't know you. I told you I didn't want to have sex with you, and now you have followed me through 4 carriages. I want you to leave me alone. I don't know you. You put your hand between my legs, I left the carriage, and you have followed me here. I do not know you."

    For those outside the UK, train carriages are quiet, even when full of partygoers, so when I started speaking you could hear a pin drop, and the man visibly squirmed.

    Within seconds, a group of about eight lads nearest to me asked me if this man was bothering me, and I said he very much was. They surrounded me like my very own group of bodyguards, and escorted me off the train when it came to my stop.

    I can not put into words how grateful I still am to that group of gents.

    Wow, that would be so scary! Im so glad you ended up ok!
  • adamlb
    adamlb Posts: 106 Member
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    90% of true Self-Defense is making good decisions and not putting yourself in a position to NEED Self-Defense.

    AMEN!
  • Bobby_Clerici
    Bobby_Clerici Posts: 1,828 Member
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    I did Ju Jitsu for 9 years, I achieved a Black Belt 2nd Dan and loved every minute of it! It keeps you fit, you meet brill people and learn how to defend yourself.

    Jiu Jitsu is good. The whole "rolling around on the ground with another sweaty dude" isn't really my bag, but still.

    I wouldnt say its about rolling around on the ground, well what I did certainly wasnt.. unfortunately!
    There's a lot of rolling around with dudes.
    I was a boxer, and when I fought my first MMA trained guy, he twisted me up nicely.
    SOLD!
    MMA is KING!
  • samntha14
    samntha14 Posts: 2,084 Member
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    I work in a "ghetto" type area where there is plenty of gang violence to go around. We lost 2 of the kids we work with this year alone. I've always wanted to take a class. How do I go about finding one?
  • theresmynapkin
    theresmynapkin Posts: 183 Member
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    I'm taking a self-defense class next semester, like some of the other posters on this thread. I run alone and feel that it would really help me feel more secure and safe. Also, I'm working towards being a social worker, and one never knows what position they might find themselves in for that profession. Especially if my job requires home visits.