Corn used my man-parts as a speedbag.

I think a whole lot of people are reading this wrong.

In my opinion the main reason people fail is non-compliance. One of the reasons that many people can't comply is that the list of RULES for weight-loss is so hard, requiring you to change everything about how you live your life. As far as I see it, SideSteel is simply turning that list on its head, calling BS on the rules that really aren't necessary and giving a much simpler list of the real rules.

That doesn't mean that you shouldn't eat clean, or do cardio, or eat breakfast etc if it works for you. BUT, if you really need spaghetti in your life, eat it..... it won't mean you can't possibly succeed.

Well said, though I think some people have an easier time limiting calories by reducing some of their food choices. My understanding is that 'clean' eating does that. Rather than learn a bunch of rules written by the author of some diet book, I prefer analyzing my own eating patterns to find and eliminate those foods that if I let in the house, I will absolutely think about 24/7 until they are gone. Butter and crusty French bread: you KNOW I'm talkin' about you!

Exactly! I think the key point is that there are actually very few rules that really need to be applied to everyone. The rest are for us to determine based on what helps us get there.

I think a lot of this is about emotion and shame. It's hard enough feeling ashamed about being overweight, without also having to feel ashamed about our meal frequency, how clean our diet is, what type of exercise we choose etc etc. Those buttons are really easy to push, I still remember a guy on here that I said by implementing an Intermittent fasting protocol I was just lazy and not prepared to put the work in. He was clearly an *kitten* who was full of BS, but it sticks with you

The list of absolute necessities for weight loss is relatively small.
The list of things that fall under the personal preference category is very, very large.

I think it's a good point to not confuse those two lists, which is why I post some of the things that I post.

And you didn’t read what I wrote on my last post. I am agreeing with you that basic math for calories consumed can work for weight loss. I said at least twice that I do agree.
When I said eating clean is better, yes perhaps I should have included “for health”. And yes, I know that the point of the post is what works for weight loss. I do not, however, agree with the way this article is presented; truly that is my issue here. Is basic math for weight loss factual? Absolutely. But it’s also factual to say: “Cut off your left arm and you are guaranteed to lose weight – and lose it fast – and keep it off!” or “Go on the 14 day Hollywood miracle diet where all you drink is blue liquid stuff”

However, I would not think very highly of an article that presented either solution and made it sound as if all you should be concerned with is taking off the pounds, no matter how you do it…just as long as you lose the weight.


Additionally, I never ever said clean was the ONLY way to do it. I never said “all-or-nothing”. I never said “mandatory”. I never said any of that! Please be careful when implying these things, because it is putting words into my mouth that I simply never said.
I also never said you are going to rot your body from the inside out by eating processed foods. I never said that either, and they way you have it worded, again, makes it sound as if you’re putting those words into my mouth. Again, never said it.

Here’s another one that yall are ripping me apart for – I said:
“Low carbing and/or carb cycling DOES help me; recently I did it and broke a 3 month plateau.”

Do you notice the word “ME” in there? I said me. Not you. Not your mom. Not anyone else. I said ME.
Congratulations to you on achieving weight loss using the opposite method as I did. Just because you said it worked for you, and I used something different, would not lead me to ridicule you for it. Again, my word was “me”. Your word was you (essentially). Everyone has to find what works best for them.

Is basic math for weight loss factual? Absolutely. But it’s also factual to say: “Cut off your left arm and you are guaranteed to lose weight – and lose it fast – and keep it off!” or “Go on the 14 day Hollywood miracle diet where all you drink is blue liquid stuff”

However, I would not think very highly of an article that presented either solution and made it sound as if all you should be concerned with is taking off the pounds, no matter how you do it…just as long as you lose the weight.

You don't need to eat clean.
You don't need to eat breakfast to get your metabolism started.
Your metabolism doesn't get kick-started and you don't rev it up.
You can eat food before bed.
You can eat food IN bed.
There is no specific time at which eating will cause you to gain fat.
You don't "shock your body"

Ill have to respectfully disagree with all the above points,people asking you to eat clean is not for weight loss,its for a healthy living,Pick up a food item at the grocery store and read it ingredients,there is so much artificial additives that youve never heard of,nor does your body k now how to process them and that becomes a foreign cell-one of the primary reasons for cancer.It is called breakfast because you have given your body a long break from eating food,breakfast is its first signal to the start of another day.Again this is not about weight loss,its to give your body optimum conditions to work better.Just as how you grease an engine to work smoother.you fill your car with contaminated petroleum-what happens to it?Food in bed is a nasty thing to do.towards the end of the day the body get ready to slow down and rest for the day,the body works according to the cycles in nature,not according to when u want to eat your food.you want to store stuff to fat,go ahead and eat it in bed,eat it in the middle of the night!!Food eaten in the morning is readily absorbed by the body-dint your elders teach you to make dinner the lightest meal?and lastly,you do shock your body,you dont fuel it and ask it to work like a dog,it will release a ton of cortisol which signals storing fat.Human body is designed to live per the cycles in nature.Dont give people the stuff they want to hear and get applauded for a bunch of wrong information,do more research.

You don't need to eat clean.
You don't need to eat breakfast to get your metabolism started.
Your metabolism doesn't get kick-started and you don't rev it up.
You can eat food before bed.
You can eat food IN bed.
There is no specific time at which eating will cause you to gain fat.
You don't "shock your body"

Ill have to respectfully disagree with all the above points,people asking you to eat clean is not for weight loss,its for a healthy living,Pick up a food item at the grocery store and read it ingredients,there is so much artificial additives that youve never heard of,nor does your body k now how to process them and that becomes a foreign cell-one of the primary reasons for cancer.It is called breakfast because you have given your body a long break from eating food,breakfast is its first signal to the start of another day.Again this is not about weight loss,its to give your body optimum conditions to work better.Just as how you grease an engine to work smoother.you fill your car with contaminated petroleum-what happens to it?Food in bed is a nasty thing to do.towards the end of the day the body get ready to slow down and rest for the day,the body works according to the cycles in nature,not according to when u want to eat your food.you want to store stuff to fat,go ahead and eat it in bed,eat it in the middle of the night!!Food eaten in the morning is readily absorbed by the body-dint your elders teach you to make dinner the lightest meal?and lastly,you do shock your body,you dont fuel it and ask it to work like a dog,it will release a ton of cortisol which signals storing fat.Human body is designed to live per the cycles in nature.Dont give people the stuff they want to hear and get applauded for a bunch of wrong information,do more research.

To the folks who "respectfully disagree" about not focusing on eating clean - can you objectively define "clean"? And not what you personally think it means. No, there is no objective definition. How can you favor a concept that has no actual agreed upon meaning?