"No Mayo?" Why Americans Are Fat

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  • justal313
    justal313 Posts: 1,375 Member

    Yeah,. maybe if you made homemade mayo, or avoided a HFCS version, and yeah, a little high-fructose corn syrup is not going to kill you, but hey, I have this sandwich quite often, so I'd rather not have the mayo, and the larger point is this: Why is the American presumption that I want mayo, chips with my sandwich, and a Coke? Or that I want fries with a burger, that I want the sources of my beef to be fed with grain, or that I want HFCS added to a steak marinade?

    The list just goes on.



    thing is, I don't much care about HFCS. it is sugar. I think my body knows what to do with it.

    Well HFCS is genetically modified. Are you sure your body knows what to do with it?

    Sugar TASTES BETTER than HFCS. If I'm going to have either I'd perfer sugar. That being said my sweetener of choice is Splenda which is definately the result of modification but it tastes better than sweet-n-low or Equal and not much different than sugar.

    I think new coke was just an elaborate ruse to swich Coca-Cola over the HFCS and have people to be thankful for Coca-Cola classic and not get up in arms over the change in taste (and it definately tasted different, we had a bunch from before the switch because my dad liked the way it was and bought a TON of it. We were able to compare the 3. Old Coke > Classic Coke > New Coke.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    We are fat because a double cheeseburger is $0.99 and a smoothie is almost $8.00. Nine times out of ten the healthy option will cost more dough than junk food.

    Or is it simple supply and demand? Americans choose to eat the double cheeseburger and turn their noses up at smoothies and "rabbit food" so the unhealthy food costs less and profit can still be made on volume.

    My smoothies are not $8. I make them at home. And even the ones I buy out are not $8.

    It doesn't matter, though. In all honesty, most smoothies you buy at a smoothie place have more calories than the double cheeseburger.
  • Zalovar
    Zalovar Posts: 92 Member
    You sir, have obviously never dipped your french fries in mayo.

    You make a valid point. In many European countries using mayo as a condiment for fries is common. That being said, it is my personal experience (from my travels) that the rate of obesity in European countries is far less than that of the US. I don't have any specific scientific data to back that up; however, I can only theorize that it's probably not the mayonnaise that's the difference maker...it's probably a multitude of factors. Having lived in Germany for a good part of my life, the few things I can remember is that we rarely ate out (certainly no fast food), we rode our bicycles everywhere and ate far more whole foods and cooked meals than prepackaged stuff. Sweets, cheese, etc were treats, not everyday snacks. A few years when I visited some family, I noticed specifically that there really weren't that many obese people in the population...in the US being obese is so common that people don't even take notice anymore.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    We are fat because a double cheeseburger is $0.99 and a smoothie is almost $8.00. Nine times out of ten the healthy option will cost more dough than junk food.

    Or is it simple supply and demand? Americans choose to eat the double cheeseburger and turn their noses up at smoothies and "rabbit food" so the unhealthy food costs less and profit can still be made on volume.
    It's the fact that beef is subsidized, as is wheat, and corn. Meanwhile only 2% of farms grow fruits and vegetables, because there are no subsidies, and it's ridiculously more expensive to farm fruit and vegetables than it is to farm corn, wheat, or beef.
  • servilia
    servilia Posts: 3,452 Member
    There are overweight people in every country.
    Once, I would like to hear someone say "'..And this is why Germans/Brits/Italians/etc are fat."
    I understand that the US has a higher rate, but if you think about it, our states are the size of most European countries.

    Explain to me what the size of the geographical region or population size has to do with percentage proportion of those obese?

    Only because the patches of land are bigger and the population is a larger figure (excuse the pun) that does not change the percentage rate.

    Thank you. I did a facepalm when I read the quoted post.
  • rockinright
    rockinright Posts: 241
    Whenever I order a sandwich at a deli, I give the precise description of what I want: whole-wheat bread, cheddar, lettuce, tomato and mustard. Nine times of 10, the counter person replies: "No Mayo?"

    Nope, don't want the empty calories and fat that come with Mayo or white bread.
    Mayo is not very flavorful in any case and white bread tastes no better than wheat.

    Add up all those mayo and white bread calories, not to mention high-fructose corn syrup in sodas, the propensity of Americans to eat fast food or packaged food products, and a generally sedentary lifestyle, there's little wonder why Americans are so chunky. I recall several "aha" moments even in Italy where I saw thin people drinking wine, eating pasta. They tend to walk a lot more, eat fresher food, their pizzas are ultra-thin crust, and it's nearly impossible to find mayo, Cokes and fries. Dessert and snacks there are usually fruit, sometimes a small scoop of gelat, unless it's a special occassion.

    I recall at my heaviest my meals consisted of McMuffins, burritos and chips, Domino's pizza. For what it's worth. One can make allot of progress just by eating more fresh stuff and cutting the junk.

    I actually base my choices around being able to fit mayo calories in. I can't stand mustard, and don't like "dry" sandwiches. I also like mayo.

    People seem to fall either into the "I love mayo" or "I hate mayo" camp with no in-betweens.
  • rockinright
    rockinright Posts: 241

    As an adult I can tell you that kids don't eat their veggies because most adults cook them (the veggies) to death. Before I was cooking my own food the only veggies I ate were corn-on-the-cob, potatoes, onions and little else.

    My mom cooked the Shyte out of all veggies and they were gross. I lightly cook my veggies, probably slightly lighter than my wife perferrs but she also cooks veggies raw in comparison to what we grew up with.

    Or maybe what everyone tells you about how your tastes change is the bigger reason I eat my veggies now. I even like brussel sprouts and my sisters used to refuse them when we were growing up and girls apparently need to eat them

    Except that the only way I can stomach most veggies is if they're super-cooked. They make my throat itch otherwise (don't ask me to explain why, I don't know).
  • rockinright
    rockinright Posts: 241
    To mayo or not to mayo? Is this really the question?

    While I agree that way too many people don't put a lot of thought into what they are eating, I don't think any one food is the culprit. It's the portion sizes. A tablespoon of mayo in tuna salad won't kill your diet - it's the gigantic sub filled with tuna salad that can feed three people that will.

    Europeans, including Italians, eat a lot of high fat foods. In fact, they dip their french fries in mayo (which is delicious, BTW). The difference is that they don't eat as much of it, they take time out of their day to savor a meal and they walk everywhere.

    The portion control has been a FAR, FAR, FAR bigger struggle for me than simply eating healthier foods. I'm sitting here literally starving, and more or less have felt hungry to some degree or another since 2010. It hasn't gotten better for me.
  • LPCoder
    LPCoder Posts: 404 Member
    Switching the Mayo for thousand Island dressing is a better choice (54Cals per TBSP) and has more flavor. Also the bread in Europe is not made the same way as bread here in the US. The coarser grain bread and the thin slices are more popular, and have a higher fiber content. In Germany, they tend to have open-face sandwiches on the course bread. Much healthier. Also, as indicated in the original post, people walk more. The public transportation system in Europe is much more extensive than in the US. Having said this, obesity is not only a US problem. There are overweight people in Europe as well.
  • wftiger
    wftiger Posts: 1,283 Member
    That is awfully insightful for 1 month and only 5 lbs lost. Just sayin'.

    ^^ And that is sarcasm if you don't get it.
  • _Timmeh_
    _Timmeh_ Posts: 2,096 Member
    I like mayo!! And that's all I really wanted to say :smile:
  • raystark
    raystark Posts: 403 Member
    I like mayo!! And that's all I really wanted to say :smile:

    +1
  • Cristofori44
    Cristofori44 Posts: 201
    There are overweight people in every country.
    Once, I would like to hear someone say "'..And this is why Germans/Brits/Italians/etc are fat."
    I understand that the US has a higher rate, but if you think about it, our states are the size of most European countries.

    Explain to me what the size of the geographical region or population size has to do with percentage proportion of those obese?

    Only because the patches of land are bigger and the population is a larger figure (excuse the pun) that does not change the percentage rate.

    The obesity stats are based on a percentage of the population, not the total numbers of obese people.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

    If the size of the country had anything to do with the rate, you would see China and Russia way up there.
  • Cristofori44
    Cristofori44 Posts: 201
    Thanks for all of your comments. Some are insightful; some are reminiscent of the perils of message boards/social media/the Internet:

    Galileo-FB.jpg

    Though my favorite is what would have happened if Twitter were around during the Gettysburg address:

    "@lunkhead – I’m at Gettysburg Address w/ 67 others.
    @shorty – I hate tall people!"
    @zippy – How much is 4score +7years?
    @mauron – 150
    @bobballoobobballoo – 16. "
    http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2011/10/tweets-from-gettysburg.html

    So, yes let's have more one-off comments and snarks from people who do not read the original post or subsequent discussion :)
  • If you type "if you cut out mayonnaise will you loose weight?" on google every response says absolutely. Replace mayo for mustard. Mayo may have benefits as some of you people are saying, but in the long run, if you just dont eat it, it will make a small difference in weight loss.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Cutting CALORIES will result in weight loss. Cutting mayo will only result in weight loss if you don't add an equal amount of calories from another source. If you cut 100 calories of mayo, and replace it with 100 calories of fruit, you won't lose any weight, even though you cut out mayo.

    Again, it's calories that matter, not individual food items.
  • tsh0ck
    tsh0ck Posts: 1,970 Member
    but ... but ... I'm positive dr. oz said something about cutting mayo ...
  • True. But why waste calories on a little mayo when you could have a fruit cup and feel better about your self. Personally, when i eat heavy foods i feel like i had a bad day. Whatever works for you, works for you. Im just saying, for me, id rather not feel like im eating pure lard when i could eat fresh fruit and feel better about my weight loss.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Mayo = egg yolks and olive oil when I make it. 2 of the healthiest foods on the planet mixed together. Fruit cup can be a sugar overload. Everything has its place. And anything could be good or bad depending on context.

    A fruit cup wouldn't make me "feel good about myself." I eat enough fruit during the day. Doesn't help me get my essential fatty acids in. Egg yolks and olive oil do.
  • tsh0ck
    tsh0ck Posts: 1,970 Member
    But why waste calories on a little mayo when you could have a fruit cup and feel better about your self.

    well, if you like a little mayo, it isn't a waste. and there's no reason you should feel badly about yourself when it comes to eating various foods.
  • To me, mayo is fatty and heavy. Thats MY opinion. I don;t like the taste or the texture or how it makes me feel when i eat it. I would rather eat a cup of fresh fruit, didnt mean fruit cup since most have the syrup in it. And honestly, it really does make a difference cutting mayo. It may be just about the calories to some people, but a lot of people, doctors, fitness and health experts, will tell you cutting it may not make a huge difference, but its a good thing to do for your health. To each their own.
  • JUST PUTTING THIS OUT THERE. If you do your research, you would be surprised. Just like this statement says, there are other options. Not all mayo is completely bad, make your own, fat free or sugar free...it just depends.

    Mayonnaise can contain many calories, much more than other condiments, because it is high in sugar and fat. Mayonnaise is one of those ingredients you should leave off of your sandwich if you are trying to cut back on your calorie intake and lose weight.

    In one tablespoon of mayonnaise there can be as much as 75 calories. Most people do not use only one tablespoon of mayonnaise on their sandwich, but rather use two or three tablespoons. This is also true of salads and pastas. Many recipes call for one cup of mayonnaise, or as much as six tablespoons in a macaroni salad. This means that you may consume an additional 200 calories just in mayonnaise alone.

    Real mayonnaise found on the grocery store shelves offers nearly 100 calories per serving size of one tablespoon. If you use mayonnaise on a sandwich, you may consume 200-300 calories if you use a lot of the creamy condiment. Mayonnaise is considered to be one of the highest calorie condiments because of its oil and fat ingredients. Mustard is a much better choice when it comes to reducing calories in sandwich spreads.

    Sugar free and fat free alternatives are available among mayonnaise varieties. It is important to read the labels on the back of the jar if you are trying to reduce your calorie content. Cutting serving sizes can also help.
  • kirstenmaria
    kirstenmaria Posts: 112 Member
    2 cents: When I lived in Argentina I unwittingly lost 10 lbs. eating fresh bread and other delicious things that seemed like they should be a bajillion calories each, like alfajores, empanadas, milanesas, dulce de leche, and ice cream. In my host mother's infinite wisdom she explained that it's because in the US we eat food with too many preservatives, therefore preserving the fat on our bodies. I don't put a lot of stock in this statement, but it is a fun little explanation. Yes, I'm overweight, because I chose to eat large portions of foods that contain too many preservatives.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Exactly what am I supposed to be surprised about in that post? Mayo is relatively high calorie? So is an avocado.
  • Yes, it is high in calories. And people can over eat while using mayo because its not portioned. There are fat free options that people dont use. Mayo is fine for some people when proportioned. That is all. Everyone has there own mindset and won't listen to other peoples opinions. That's fine. Eat what you want, just saying theres better ways to spend your calories eating things that will fill you up. Just saying, most people say if you cut mayo, it makes a difference. But some say they eat it and still loose weight. If it works for you, great. You'll loose the weight and thats that. Good luck to all.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    I generally don't listen to "most people." I listen to actual science.

    And portion control is a whole different argument than "mayo is bad." Eating too much of anything is bad.
  • Feathil
    Feathil Posts: 162 Member
    I think the value of a calorie should be based on how many micronutrients you can get with them.

    And it's better to go without mayonnaise when ordering at a deli because they always stick a trowel in and drown the bread in it. Disgusting amounts of sauce even if I wasn't thinking about calories. Pure mank. At home, different story cos you put on the portion you think is right for you.
  • Really...Just go eat what you want. These forums are for opinions, not arguments. If you miss the point, you miss the point thats fine. Good luck, that's all.
  • tsh0ck
    tsh0ck Posts: 1,970 Member
    I generally don't listen to "most people." I listen to actual science.

    And portion control is a whole different argument than "mayo is bad." Eating too much of anything is bad.

    nuh-uh! what about water?!

    oh. wait.
  • fmbomzo
    fmbomzo Posts: 382 Member
    I ask for extra mayo when I order at the deli. I like mayo. How often do I order at the deli...not often enough to care, but what I can't stand is a dry sandwich. And mustard is not an appropriate taste substitute for someone who likes the taste of mayo. There are worse things in life.

    The mayo I use at home has 40 cals per Tbsp, 4g fat, no saturated fat, no cholesterol and a negligible amount of sugar (<1%). And 1 Tbsp is plenty for me when I'm making a sandwich.

    I'm a southern girl and I'm insulted if someone puts mustard in my potato salad instead of mayo.

    Twinkies, cupcakes, Krispy Kreme, too much eating out to excess and lack of exercise and sleep are why I'm fat. Not mayo.