Paleo Diet!
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This thread has degenerated into something not even remotely addressing the original question. It may be helpful to her if we stayed on point.0
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Do you count calories following Paleo/Primal? It was hard for me because on the one hand I wanted to track everything but then got worried about going over my calorie limit. I also didn't have a sense of portion control and felt like I was eating too much protein.
I do, and it also helps with macro's. I like to see what I eat in a list and then adjust accordingly.0 -
This thread has degenerated into something not even remotely addressing the original question. It may be helpful to her if we stayed on point.
Here. Maybe this can help bring it back to OP's topic: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/ancient-wisdom-confirmed-by-modern-science0 -
So anywho...back on the TOPIC! Paleo is awesome0
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This thread has degenerated into something not even remotely addressing the original question. It may be helpful to her if we stayed on point.
Here. Maybe this can help bring it back to OP's topic: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/ancient-wisdom-confirmed-by-modern-science
YES. Great article.. Read that one this morning. I'm always entertained and always learn more information from Marks (or his guests) posts.0 -
Do you count calories following Paleo/Primal? It was hard for me because on the one hand I wanted to track everything but then got worried about going over my calorie limit. I also didn't have a sense of portion control and felt like I was eating too much protein.
I do, and it also helps with macro's. I like to see what I eat in a list and then adjust accordingly.
I definitely log it. One, because I'm a huge nerd and I loves me some data. But two, so I can answer the questions I get about my diet. Sure, I could respond to "you sure do eat a lot of fat" with "yeah, so?" (which would be a totally accurate answer), but I'd rather respond with "yeah, about 60% of my total calories...(so?)". Eh, so it's mostly the same thing, so I guess it's more reason one.
Another reason I log it is...(anyone current struggling to lose weight, stop reading here...no, really, don't read any further...you'll hate me)...because I lost all of the weight I wanted to lose and am now actively trying to add some mass...preferably mostly *lean* mass...and my food log helps me evaluate what is and is not working. It also ensures that I consume *enough* calories as I treat that daily allotment as a daily minimum.
Finally, food allergies (especially mild allergies) are quirky things. I consider my food log as a valuable potential tool for detecting them.
Besides, my MFP friends (and random nosy strangers) wouldn't be "mind blown" by my diary if I didn't log my food. (Although today's food log so far has been an abysmal failure due to an unfortunate string of food-related issues (unripe avocado, out of olive oil, no time for usual breakfast, etc.))0 -
Questions for those who follow a primal lifestyle:
With the dairy, do you do full-fat or can I keep my skim milk? How strict are y'all on the issue of legumes? Where do you keep your carb cut-off at? And is it net carbs or regular carbs?
I had a friend who had great success following a low carb/paleo diet, and she swears by it. I derail any success I have with insane carb binges, so I'm considering the switch! Thank you!0 -
Do you count calories following Paleo/Primal? It was hard for me because on the one hand I wanted to track everything but then got worried about going over my calorie limit. I also didn't have a sense of portion control and felt like I was eating too much protein.
My cardiologist had placed me on an 1800 calorie, low sodium diet, plus I am diabetic (2), so logging helped me stay within her recommendations. Then I went Paleo/Primal and I logged faithfully for three months which helped me learn as well as stay on track. I tried to go without logging and slowly went back to my old eating ways. I went back to Primal the first of June, and found that logging is the only way that I can be successful and I can juggle things around to meet my nutritional requirements and stay Primal. I log everything I plan to eat un the morning so there will be no surprised come dinnertime.0 -
Im not exactly on a paelo diet, because I still have green tea and coffee. But apart from that my diet is basically the same!
Heres hoping it works!
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With the dairy, do you do full-fat or can I keep my skim milk? How strict are y'all on the issue of legumes? Where do you keep your carb cut-off at? And is it net carbs or regular carbs?
Primal allows you to have dairy if you are not intolerant. I don’t drink milk but I loves my cheeses but I have to limit them because of the sodium.
The Primal Blueprint recommends 50-100 carbs to lose weight, 100=150 to maintain and over 150 to gain. I'm a real fata$$ so I try to stay between 50-80. I’m not sure what you mean by net vs regular carbs. I log everything that goes into my mouth.
Re: legumes, I occasionally eat a few tablespoons of peanut butter if I need to boost my calories at the end of the day, but I gave up beans.0 -
Questions for those who follow a primal lifestyle:
With the dairy, do you do full-fat or can I keep my skim milk? How strict are y'all on the issue of legumes? Where do you keep your carb cut-off at? And is it net carbs or regular carbs?
I had a friend who had great success following a low carb/paleo diet, and she swears by it. I derail any success I have with insane carb binges, so I'm considering the switch! Thank you!
My personal approach/opinion for your questions:
I generally don't do regular dairy. (Exceptions would be 85% Green & Black's chocolate, Kerrygold butter, and a *very* occasional cheese.) Was easy for me as I wasn't big on dairy before either. (As a kid, I would knock back 32+ oz daily of chocolate milk....mmmm, how I loved Nestle chocolate milk.) If I were to have to drink milk now, based on what I know, my preference would be for raw milk. If not an option, then full fat. Skim would be my last resort. (Note, I have done very little research on dairy simply because I have no desire for it.)
I eat no legumes. My daughter loves them and I don't restrict her. As far as how important I believe completely eliminating legumes are? Probably not very (assuming they are well-tolerated by the individual). Given the choice between eliminating grains and eliminating legumes, I believe eliminating grains is far more important.
If dairy and legumes are deal-breakers for you, then I would suggest you try it without eliminating them. Sure, ideally, you would leave them out too, at least in the beginning, but if the choice is between primal with dairy and legumes vs. SAD, then the former is substantially better, (again IMHO).
(www.marksdailyapple.com would probably be a good resource for you. He addresses these questions (frequently) and has a generally more relaxed dietary view (as opposed to others who can be just a tad dogmatic)).
Good luck on whatever you decide to do.
EDIT: I missed your carb questions, and those are a couple of my favorite topics...not because I think I know anything about them, but because I'm experimenting with them myself.
As I've said before, I am on a planned gain right now. I thought I was eating a fairly high carb diet, given all of the root veggies and fruit I eat (especially sweet potatoes), but I seldom exceed 150g. On days I don't eat 250-400g of sweet potatoes and half a cantaloupe or more, my carbs are (obviously, duh) much lower. It's just tough to eat a substantial amount of carbs when you eliminate the "easy" carbs (grains) from your diet. If I do decide to later reduce my carbs, I'll simply eliminate the sweet potatoes and fruit.0 -
Im not exactly on a paelo diet, because I still have green tea and coffee. But apart from that my diet is basically the same!
Heres hoping it works!
In my opinion, if your diet is "paleo" except for green tea and coffee, then your diet is paleo. These two things are not deal-breakers in my book (and would not get you kicked off of Paleo Island).0 -
hy could you not eat peanuts? Peanuts are a nut and nuts are aloud
*Allowed
** Peanuts are not nuts, they are legumes
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Peanuts are legumes, not nuts0
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I follow Primal, because I still eat cheese-for my milk I drink almond milk.0
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AHA! You stumbled on the key word: dependency. You can become dependent on anything. It is not the same as a physical addiction, but it is still unhealthy. I am simply providing the difference. We can find different ways to deal with stress, but overcoming physical addiction causes very real physical symptoms not present when breaking psychological dependencies. Therein lies the difference. The difference is of note to me personally because I have suffered both. That's why I originally stated that I know the difference.
I can go months at a time without thinking about something, and I'm fine. I can't go more than a couple of hours without a cigarette before my body physically reminds me that it is low on nicotine. My body actually believes that nicotine is a required susbtance, even though we all know that it is not.
But in the real world, what difference can it possibly make to someone? I just don't get the point ... You win?0 -
I count calories, and have had to learn portion control with Primal. I am over every day on my protein, and if anything it has made losing weight easier.Do you count calories following Paleo/Primal? It was hard for me because on the one hand I wanted to track everything but then got worried about going over my calorie limit. I also didn't have a sense of portion control and felt like I was eating too much protein.0 -
Questions for those who follow a primal lifestyle:
With the dairy, do you do full-fat or can I keep my skim milk? How strict are y'all on the issue of legumes? Where do you keep your carb cut-off at? And is it net carbs or regular carbs?
I had a friend who had great success following a low carb/paleo diet, and she swears by it. I derail any success I have with insane carb binges, so I'm considering the switch! Thank you!
If you do consume dairy, full fat is recommended. I'm very strict on the legumes issues which I think is universally true of most Paleo/primal followers (sounds like a religion). The way I eat I don't really have to count carbs, it naturally stays below 100 carbs a day without me even trying.0 -
I follow Primal, because I still eat cheese-for my milk I drink almond milk.
Primal here too.
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the pale diet is not the way our caveman ancestors ate.0
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AHA! You stumbled on the key word: dependency. You can become dependent on anything. It is not the same as a physical addiction, but it is still unhealthy. I am simply providing the difference. We can find different ways to deal with stress, but overcoming physical addiction causes very real physical symptoms not present when breaking psychological dependencies. Therein lies the difference. The difference is of note to me personally because I have suffered both. That's why I originally stated that I know the difference.
I can go months at a time without thinking about something, and I'm fine. I can't go more than a couple of hours without a cigarette before my body physically reminds me that it is low on nicotine. My body actually believes that nicotine is a required susbtance, even though we all know that it is not.
But in the real world, what difference can it possibly make to someone? I just don't get the point ... You win?
To me, it's a world of difference. Kicking a psychological dependency is as easy as a slap in the face, "Stop it!" But with a physical dependency, there is pain and suffering involved. Watch someone detox off heroin and you will see what I mean.0 -
the pale diet is not the way our caveman ancestors ate.
Tru dat with whipped cream on top! :laugh:0 -
Enjoying the taste of something is not the same as an addiction. I've been addicted before. I am currently addicted to nicotine.
To suggest that people are addicted to bread is absurd.
I don't think that it's absurd. I completely believe that someone can be addicted to food. Whether it's bread, chocolate, cookies.....addiction is not limited to a drug, ie. nicotine, caffeine or any other "drug".
The difference is that food is a requirement for living. You can't be addicted to food. You might have psychological dependencies, you might use food as an emotional crutch or stress reliever, or any number of bad habits, but it's not the same as a physiological addiction.
Correct me if I'm wrong.....I have a bad day at work, I'm stressed out....all I can think about is having that piece of chocolate when I get home because it'll make me feel better.
You have a bad day at work, stressed out....all you can think about is when your next break is so you can have that cigarette because it'll make you feel better.
An addiction is an addiction, regardless of whether it's physical or psychological. It's a dependancy. A way to deal.
AHA! You stumbled on the key word: dependency. You can become dependent on anything. It is not the same as a physical addiction, but it is still unhealthy. I am simply providing the difference. We can find different ways to deal with stress, but overcoming physical addiction causes very real physical symptoms not present when breaking psychological dependencies. Therein lies the difference. The difference is of note to me personally because I have suffered both. That's why I originally stated that I know the difference.
I can go months at a time without thinking about something, and I'm fine. I can't go more than a couple of hours without a cigarette before my body physically reminds me that it is low on nicotine. My body actually believes that nicotine is a required susbtance, even though we all know that it is not.
Addictions don't have to be physical. One can have a psychological addiction. Addiction causes trauma when denied the substance to which one is addicted. While I'm sure it is possible to have a true psychological addiction to a food, it's not that common. Craving chocolate when stressed does not necessarily mean an addiction. You don't hear of many people robbing the local 7-Eleven to buy chocolate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/food-addiction-could-it-e_b_764863.html
Article on how food is biologically addicting. Take it or leave it.0 -
Odd. I didn't notice this "requirement for living" exception in the definition when I looked it up yesterday. I'll have to go back and re-read it again. And if it isn't in there, I'll let the word authorities know they should add it (when they more narrowly revise their current definition, of course).
When I'm wrong on the internet, I admit it...but in this case, I'm not wrong. I believe where *you* are wrong is not specifying that *your* definition of the word does not include food. Every definition I've found for the word would lead me to believe otherwise. Nothing personal, but I'm going to go with their definitions over yours. In no way am I saying you have to change your definition, but for you to say that everyone else should change theirs is...
...well, absurd.
My point is not to state the dictionary definition. It was simply that physical dependency is very different than psychological dependency. And my original point was that it is absurd for you to believe that someone who doesn't choose your lifestyle has a psychological problem. That is arrogant at best.0 -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/food-addiction-could-it-e_b_764863.html
Article on how food is biologically addicting. Take it or leave it.
That's fine. I don't see it the same way, but I realize that others do. My whole point in the beginning though is that people have the right to choose their own lifestyle, and that choosing one diet or another is not, in and of itself, an addiction issue.
That was the only reason I commented in the first place. Psychiatrists and psychologists don't even agree about addiction.0 -
It would be nice if you non Paleo/Primal peeps would take your personal little cat fight to private messages and leave this thread for giving helpful information to those interested in Paleo/Primal0
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I count calories, and have had to learn portion control with Primal. I am over every day on my protein, and if anything it has made losing weight easier.Do you count calories following Paleo/Primal? It was hard for me because on the one hand I wanted to track everything but then got worried about going over my calorie limit. I also didn't have a sense of portion control and felt like I was eating too much protein.
You can change your macros under 'Goals'.
I put mine at 50/35/15 for F/P/C. You should definitely be eating more protein than MFP suggests. I'm guessing that's a real 'bottom-line' number. Many say you should eat 1g per lb of lean body weight (and even 1g per lb of body weight).
I log because it helps me keep my macros in check and keeps my conscious of what I'm putting in my mouth. Generally though, I'm not hungry enough to overeat when eating primal unless I eat too many nuts.0 -
I follow the primal diet. I started about 6 weeks ago. I couldn't give up cream in my coffee since I gave up sugar in my coffee so I just switched to heavy cream. I also use cheese in my recipes cause my boys love cheese. I still keep other non-primal food in the house for children and husband. We all eat the same supper, but sometimes I will add pasta or grains to their plates if they want it and not mine, I also still buy bread for their lunches. This is still a new lifestyle in my house and I felt that if I restricted them too hard and too fast it would not be good, so I am letting them move into it in their own way. In truth I feel a lot better now. I made the switch because of my crohn's disease. The grains and beans made my life miserable, and I needed a lot of B12 supplements to function. A doctor had suggested I try the primal/paleo diet to see if it would help me start to feel normal again. In truth it has worked. Not as many 'flare-ups' and I get to enjoy life a lot more. The weight loss right now is an added bonus
But what worked for me may not work for others, so I suggest do your research and if your body doesn't like what you are eating or doing listen to it. What I do works for me and not just for weight loss, but for a healthier tummy and life. But in no way would I say it is the only right choice, it was just the right one for me. 0
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