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For those who wish to continue debating that various topics that came up when discussing cutting out coffee or diet coke.
P.S I ran out of time trying to split this so I just grabbed everything from the last 3 pages without reading, sorry if some of it isn't part of the debating.
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My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.49 -
Ryansworld84 wrote: »My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?21 -
ladyhusker39 wrote: »
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
In my opinion it is a unhealthy drink to consume on a regular basis. It doesn’t contain anything your body needs nutritionally and can have some negative side effects if dank in excess. At least with my personality if I start drinking a lot of diet pop or keep a case of it in the house I end up drinking way too much and not enough water so I choose to avoid it for the most part. I still do have an occasional diet pop here and there but that is where I leave it.
You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
Drink plenty of water each day instead. This is just my opinion of course each person needs to make their own determination as to how far they want to take their nutrition.
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ladyhusker39 wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
It can be bad for bones, especially in women.26 -
Ryansworld84 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
In my opinion it is a unhealthy drink to consume on a regular basis. It doesn’t contain anything your body needs nutritionally and can have some negative side effects if dank in excess. At least with my personality if I start drinking a lot of diet pop or keep a case of it in the house I end up drinking way too much and not enough water so I choose to avoid it for the most part. I still do have an occasional diet pop here and there but that is where I leave it.
You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
Drink plenty of water each day instead. This is just my opinion of course each person needs to make their own determination as to how far they want to take their nutrition.
I can respect this because you qualify it as your opinion and personal preference. Your first comment stated it as an absolute for everyone which simply is not accurate.20 -
Ryansworld84 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
In my opinion it is a unhealthy drink to consume on a regular basis. It doesn’t contain anything your body needs nutritionally and can have some negative side effects if dank in excess. At least with my personality if I start drinking a lot of diet pop or keep a case of it in the house I end up drinking way too much and not enough water so I choose to avoid it for the most part. I still do have an occasional diet pop here and there but that is where I leave it.
You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
Drink plenty of water each day instead. This is just my opinion of course each person needs to make their own determination as to how far they want to take their nutrition.
99% of it is water. Pretty sure your body needs that nutritionally.29 -
Ryansworld84 wrote: »You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
I can take or leave diet soda, but it does have something you need -- water. [Edit, heh, GMTA, I guess.]
Can you get water from other sources? Sure, obviously, but you can get everything in coffee (or even a carrot or a steak) from other sources too, should you avoid them? Pretty much everything we consume will supply things we can get from other foods.
Should you "limit" diet soda? If you drink a whole lot, sure. Many people don't have trouble drinking a non excessive amount, though.3 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
In my opinion it is a unhealthy drink to consume on a regular basis. It doesn’t contain anything your body needs nutritionally and can have some negative side effects if dank in excess. At least with my personality if I start drinking a lot of diet pop or keep a case of it in the house I end up drinking way too much and not enough water so I choose to avoid it for the most part. I still do have an occasional diet pop here and there but that is where I leave it.
You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
Drink plenty of water each day instead. This is just my opinion of course each person needs to make their own determination as to how far they want to take their nutrition.
I don't drink any water except in my diet coke/tea/coffee
Your body needs hydration, it is personal preference how you do that.
All of them drinks are Diuretics and would also not be healthy for your kidneys and maybe liver. Your body does needs water each day to maintain a healthy lifestyle. I don’t think many nutritionists would disagree with the importance of water daily.40 -
Iwantahealthierme30 wrote: »Depends how much diet coke you're drinking. If it's everyday give up diet coke. If it's like once a week than you don't have to give it up.
Sounds a bit arbitrary to me. Why is one bad and the other OK? Where exactly is the "line" because you seem to be drawing one and I'd like to understand where it is.9 -
Ryansworld84 wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
In my opinion it is a unhealthy drink to consume on a regular basis. It doesn’t contain anything your body needs nutritionally and can have some negative side effects if dank in excess. At least with my personality if I start drinking a lot of diet pop or keep a case of it in the house I end up drinking way too much and not enough water so I choose to avoid it for the most part. I still do have an occasional diet pop here and there but that is where I leave it.
You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
Drink plenty of water each day instead. This is just my opinion of course each person needs to make their own determination as to how far they want to take their nutrition.
I don't drink any water except in my diet coke/tea/coffee
Your body needs hydration, it is personal preference how you do that.
All of them drinks are Diuretics and would also not be healthy for your kidneys and maybe liver. Your body does needs water each day to maintain a healthy lifestyle. I don’t think many nutritionists would disagree with the importance of water daily.
There is not enough caffeine in any of those drinks to have enough of a diuretic effect to offset the water that the drinks contain.22 -
Nothing wrong with my hydration levels, I check them every time I go to the toilet.Ryansworld84 wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
In my opinion it is a unhealthy drink to consume on a regular basis. It doesn’t contain anything your body needs nutritionally and can have some negative side effects if dank in excess. At least with my personality if I start drinking a lot of diet pop or keep a case of it in the house I end up drinking way too much and not enough water so I choose to avoid it for the most part. I still do have an occasional diet pop here and there but that is where I leave it.
You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
Drink plenty of water each day instead. This is just my opinion of course each person needs to make their own determination as to how far they want to take their nutrition.
I don't drink any water except in my diet coke/tea/coffee
Your body needs hydration, it is personal preference how you do that.
All of them drinks are Diuretics and would also not be healthy for your kidneys and maybe liver. Your body does needs water each day to maintain a healthy lifestyle. I don’t think many nutritionists would disagree with the importance of water daily.
I wouldn't listen to any nutritionist, they don't know what they are talking about. A dietitian on the other hand will tell you that hydration is important. They understand that water comes in many forms, including foods.13 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
Nothing wrong with my hydration levels, I check them every time I go to the toilet.Ryansworld84 wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
In my opinion it is a unhealthy drink to consume on a regular basis. It doesn’t contain anything your body needs nutritionally and can have some negative side effects if dank in excess. At least with my personality if I start drinking a lot of diet pop or keep a case of it in the house I end up drinking way too much and not enough water so I choose to avoid it for the most part. I still do have an occasional diet pop here and there but that is where I leave it.
You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
Drink plenty of water each day instead. This is just my opinion of course each person needs to make their own determination as to how far they want to take their nutrition.
I don't drink any water except in my diet coke/tea/coffee
Your body needs hydration, it is personal preference how you do that.
All of them drinks are Diuretics and would also not be healthy for your kidneys and maybe liver. Your body does needs water each day to maintain a healthy lifestyle. I don’t think many nutritionists would disagree with the importance of water daily.
I wouldn't listen to any nutritionist, they don't know what they are talking about. A dietitian on the other hand will tell you that hydration is important. They understand that water comes in many forms, including foods.
If it works for you great but for me personally never drinking water and always drinking diet pop/coffee/tea is just not something I would recommend on a long term basis.19 -
Ryansworld84 wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
In my opinion it is a unhealthy drink to consume on a regular basis. It doesn’t contain anything your body needs nutritionally and can have some negative side effects if dank in excess. At least with my personality if I start drinking a lot of diet pop or keep a case of it in the house I end up drinking way too much and not enough water so I choose to avoid it for the most part. I still do have an occasional diet pop here and there but that is where I leave it.
You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
Drink plenty of water each day instead. This is just my opinion of course each person needs to make their own determination as to how far they want to take their nutrition.
I don't drink any water except in my diet coke/tea/coffee
Your body needs hydration, it is personal preference how you do that.
All of them drinks are Diuretics and would also not be healthy for your kidneys and maybe liver. Your body does needs water each day to maintain a healthy lifestyle. I don’t think many nutritionists would disagree with the importance of water daily.
Coffee and diet sodas are both mostly water. Before you tell people what is and isn't good for their kidneys and liver, I think you should do a bit more research. It isn't helpful to give people half-truths and inaccurate information.30 -
ladyhusker39 wrote: »Iwantahealthierme30 wrote: »Depends how much diet coke you're drinking. If it's everyday give up diet coke. If it's like once a week than you don't have to give it up.
Sounds a bit arbitrary to me. Why is one bad and the other OK? Where exactly is the "line" because you seem to be drawing one and I'd like to understand where it is.
It's highly unlikely that there is a magic number that applies to everyone. But there is evidence that soda (cola in particular) is not healthy.
http://enews.tufts.edu/stories/802/2003/09/25/Tucker
"Tufts University researcher Katherine Tucker examined the bone mineral density readings of more than 2,500 adult men and women and surveyed their soft-drink consumption patterns," reported The Los Angeles Times. "She found that women - but not men - who drank more than three, 12-ounce servings of cola per day had 2.3 to 5.1 percent lower bone mineral density in the hip compared with women who consumed less than one serving per day."16 -
Ryansworld84 wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
In my opinion it is a unhealthy drink to consume on a regular basis. It doesn’t contain anything your body needs nutritionally and can have some negative side effects if dank in excess. At least with my personality if I start drinking a lot of diet pop or keep a case of it in the house I end up drinking way too much and not enough water so I choose to avoid it for the most part. I still do have an occasional diet pop here and there but that is where I leave it.
You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
Drink plenty of water each day instead. This is just my opinion of course each person needs to make their own determination as to how far they want to take their nutrition.
I don't drink any water except in my diet coke/tea/coffee
Your body needs hydration, it is personal preference how you do that.
All of them drinks are Diuretics and would also not be healthy for your kidneys and maybe liver. Your body does needs water each day to maintain a healthy lifestyle. I don’t think many nutritionists would disagree with the importance of water daily.
This idea has been debunked. There is not enough caffeine in either drink to negate the amount of water in them. Therefore, they are hydrating even with the caffeine.
The water in Diet Coke is not different than the water in your fancy water bottle. Your body sees it the same.18 -
Ryansworld84 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
In my opinion it is a unhealthy drink to consume on a regular basis. It doesn’t contain anything your body needs nutritionally and can have some negative side effects if dank in excess. At least with my personality if I start drinking a lot of diet pop or keep a case of it in the house I end up drinking way too much and not enough water so I choose to avoid it for the most part. I still do have an occasional diet pop here and there but that is where I leave it.
You can also argue this study vs that study etc but at the end of the day if it doesn't provide your body with something you need you probably should limit it at the least or avoid it all together.
Drink plenty of water each day instead. This is just my opinion of course each person needs to make their own determination as to how far they want to take their nutrition.
It's essentially and effectively water. You can meet your daily hydration goals with Diet soda. Or you can use unsweetened diet soda(aka Seltzer/sparkling water)
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I often wonder - with threads like this - if people actually know what a diuretic is. I also wonder if people know if water is a diuretic, in and of itself.
*edited for spelling22 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Iwantahealthierme30 wrote: »Depends how much diet coke you're drinking. If it's everyday give up diet coke. If it's like once a week than you don't have to give it up.
Sounds a bit arbitrary to me. Why is one bad and the other OK? Where exactly is the "line" because you seem to be drawing one and I'd like to understand where it is.
It's highly unlikely that there is a magic number that applies to everyone. But there is evidence that soda (cola in particular) is not healthy.
http://enews.tufts.edu/stories/802/2003/09/25/Tucker
"Tufts University researcher Katherine Tucker examined the bone mineral density readings of more than 2,500 adult men and women and surveyed their soft-drink consumption patterns," reported The Los Angeles Times. "She found that women - but not men - who drank more than three, 12-ounce servings of cola per day had 2.3 to 5.1 percent lower bone mineral density in the hip compared with women who consumed less than one serving per day."
The researcher thinks it is phosphoric acid, but doesn't have a good explanation for why men don't seem to have the same results (she says men drink more and alcohol can be protective of bone, but they don't seem to have tested this out).
They said they eliminated "less milk" as a cause, but my guess is still that it could be a correlation, as there probably are other differences in diet and lifestyle, on average, between women who drink more than 3 colas a day vs. those who drink less than one.
That said, I generally think that moderation is probably advisable, and more than 3 12 oz sodas a day seems like quite a lot to me.11 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Iwantahealthierme30 wrote: »Depends how much diet coke you're drinking. If it's everyday give up diet coke. If it's like once a week than you don't have to give it up.
Sounds a bit arbitrary to me. Why is one bad and the other OK? Where exactly is the "line" because you seem to be drawing one and I'd like to understand where it is.
It's highly unlikely that there is a magic number that applies to everyone. But there is evidence that soda (cola in particular) is not healthy.
http://enews.tufts.edu/stories/802/2003/09/25/Tucker
"Tufts University researcher Katherine Tucker examined the bone mineral density readings of more than 2,500 adult men and women and surveyed their soft-drink consumption patterns," reported The Los Angeles Times. "She found that women - but not men - who drank more than three, 12-ounce servings of cola per day had 2.3 to 5.1 percent lower bone mineral density in the hip compared with women who consumed less than one serving per day."
The researcher thinks it is phosphoric acid, but doesn't have a good explanation for why men don't seem to have the same results (she says men drink more and alcohol can be protective of bone, but they don't seem to have tested this out).
They said they eliminated "less milk" as a cause, but my guess is still that it could be a correlation, as there probably are other differences in diet and lifestyle, on average, between women who drink more than 3 colas a day vs. those who drink less than one.
That said, I generally think that moderation is probably advisable, and more than 3 12 oz sodas a day seems like quite a lot to me.
Going to go read the article. Did they eliminate activity level(actual not reported)0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Iwantahealthierme30 wrote: »Depends how much diet coke you're drinking. If it's everyday give up diet coke. If it's like once a week than you don't have to give it up.
Sounds a bit arbitrary to me. Why is one bad and the other OK? Where exactly is the "line" because you seem to be drawing one and I'd like to understand where it is.
It's highly unlikely that there is a magic number that applies to everyone. But there is evidence that soda (cola in particular) is not healthy.
http://enews.tufts.edu/stories/802/2003/09/25/Tucker
"Tufts University researcher Katherine Tucker examined the bone mineral density readings of more than 2,500 adult men and women and surveyed their soft-drink consumption patterns," reported The Los Angeles Times. "She found that women - but not men - who drank more than three, 12-ounce servings of cola per day had 2.3 to 5.1 percent lower bone mineral density in the hip compared with women who consumed less than one serving per day."
The researcher thinks it is phosphoric acid, but doesn't have a good explanation for why men don't seem to have the same results (she says men drink more and alcohol can be protective of bone, but they don't seem to have tested this out).
They said they eliminated "less milk" as a cause, but my guess is still that it could be a correlation, as there probably are other differences in diet and lifestyle, on average, between women who drink more than 3 colas a day vs. those who drink less than one.
That said, I generally think that moderation is probably advisable, and more than 3 12 oz sodas a day seems like quite a lot to me.
It seems like a lot to me too, but I know a lot of people that drink more than three 12 oz sodas today.
While there is no conclusive evidence, this is not the only study to show a negative link between cola and bone health. Most orthopedists will recommend against drinking it.5
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