Low(er) Carb Real Food
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Again, I'd say this says more about you.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
The word demonizing is kinda hyperbolic as well.blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
I'm not the one saying the food industry is evil and prepackaged food is bad.
How exactly? Because I don't play in absolutes when it comes to food? I would rather make good choices on my own volition rather than because there is some big bad food boogy man that I supposedly need to avoid?0 -
Sweet Mother of Pearl; some of you need a donut or Gelato.-1
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »Sweet Mother of Pearl; some of you need a donut or Gelato.
I'll take some Gelato... maybe I will eat some when I get home.
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LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals!
OP states shes on a "weight loss journey"
And that she's trying to avoid DIABETES.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals!
OP states shes on a "weight loss journey"
And that she's trying to avoid DIABETES.
Ah, right I forgot. Carbs = Diabetes.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Again, I'd say this says more about you.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
The word demonizing is kinda hyperbolic as well.blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
I'm not the one saying the food industry is evil and prepackaged food is bad.
How exactly? Because I don't play in absolutes when it comes to food? I would rather make good choices on my own volition rather than because there is some big bad food boogy man that I supposedly need to avoid? ok 0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals!
OP states shes on a "weight loss journey"
And that she's trying to avoid DIABETES.
Ah, right I forgot. Carbs = Diabetes.
I didn't say that, did I.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals!
OP states shes on a "weight loss journey"
And that she's trying to avoid DIABETES.
Ah, right I forgot. Carbs = Diabetes.
I didn't say that, did I.
Is that a question or a statement.0 -
Fake food:
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blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
Meh, if they want to eat that way..that's fine. No one is forcing all of the world to follow in their footsteps. People will believe in what they want. It's not productive to get worked up over the word "real" and hijack the thread of someone who was looking for like minded friends.
I'm not religious so I stay away from churches.
The main point here is to not demonize food... there is no good food or bad food... it's just food... is there some food that is nutritionally better for you, sure... Processed foods are anything that is prepared... so technically, homemade chicken noodle soup made with organic, "clean", whatever descriptor of ingredients you want here is processed... putting food into catagories of "good" and "bad" does nothing but create a superiority complex of dieters and the people that hock them... I really really don't give a flying flip whether someone is vegan, paleo, IIFYM, Low fat, low carb, conventional, whatever... You do what's best for your body... Again, it's how the descriptors are used that ticks me off because you (in a general sense here) are using a broad brush to narrowly paint something just so you (again in general) can feel morally superior in your dietary choices. It's one thing to say "I don't eat pre-packaged food" or "meats raised conventionally"... but when we get into the "I don't eat processed foods" will that's ignorance talking, because like I said, virtually every food that lands on our table is some how processed... even if you are a raw vegan and just wash your food.
I don't think anyone is demonizing food. I also think that there is good and bad food. But, that's just how it is for some people. Some food is worse than other food.
I'm pretty sure someone can feel just as morally superior proclaiming they don't eat prepackaged food as someone saying they don't eat processed food. It's just words. Semantics, really.
I felt the OP's initial post was meant to be friendly. She was in search of like minded people. Then the ones who love to jump in at the sight of the awful phrase 'real food' came in and turned this into a debate. I hope she has better luck in the low carb board.0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »Sweet Mother of Pearl; some of you need a donut or Gelato.
True. I personally need a medium rare steak but I'm not getting one.
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LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals!
OP states shes on a "weight loss journey"
And that she's trying to avoid DIABETES.
Ah, right I forgot. Carbs = Diabetes.
Carbs don't equal diabetes but low carb can help prevent type 2 diabetes and lessen it's effects on those who already have it.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals!
OP states shes on a "weight loss journey"
And that she's trying to avoid DIABETES.
Ah, right I forgot. Carbs = Diabetes.
I didn't say that, did I.
Is that a question or a statement.
Looks like a statement. I don't see a question mark. 0 -
eh nevermind... not worth it.0
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blktngldhrt wrote: »
I felt the OP's initial post was meant to be friendly. She was in search of like minded people. Then the ones who love to jump in at the sight of the awful phrase 'real food' came in and turned this into a debate. I hope she has better luck in the low carb board.
That's exactly what happened.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
Meh, if they want to eat that way..that's fine. No one is forcing all of the world to follow in their footsteps. People will believe in what they want. It's not productive to get worked up over the word "real" and hijack the thread of someone who was looking for like minded friends.
I'm not religious so I stay away from churches.
The main point here is to not demonize food... there is no good food or bad food... it's just food... is there some food that is nutritionally better for you, sure... Processed foods are anything that is prepared... so technically, homemade chicken noodle soup made with organic, "clean", whatever descriptor of ingredients you want here is processed... putting food into catagories of "good" and "bad" does nothing but create a superiority complex of dieters and the people that hock them... I really really don't give a flying flip whether someone is vegan, paleo, IIFYM, Low fat, low carb, conventional, whatever... You do what's best for your body... Again, it's how the descriptors are used that ticks me off because you (in a general sense here) are using a broad brush to narrowly paint something just so you (again in general) can feel morally superior in your dietary choices. It's one thing to say "I don't eat pre-packaged food" or "meats raised conventionally"... but when we get into the "I don't eat processed foods" will that's ignorance talking, because like I said, virtually every food that lands on our table is some how processed... even if you are a raw vegan and just wash your food.
I don't think anyone is demonizing food. I also think that there is good and bad food. But, that's just how it is for some people. Some food is worse than other food.
I'm pretty sure someone can feel just as morally superior proclaiming they don't eat prepackaged food as someone saying they don't eat processed food. It's just words. Semantics, really.
I felt the OP's initial post was meant to be friendly. She was in search of like minded people. Then the ones who love to jump in at the sight of the awful phrase 'real food' came in and turned this into a debate. I hope she has better luck in the low carb board.
Maybe because using the term "real food" implies that others eat "fake food"... and is in my opinion creating the false dicotomy between foods. Again, in my opinion it's annoying.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »eh nevermind... not worth it.
Come on. . . . .just let it out. I bet you are either thinking something like 'southern' or 'sea salt' go ahead. . . . just say it.
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blktngldhrt wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals!
OP states shes on a "weight loss journey"
And that she's trying to avoid DIABETES.
Ah, right I forgot. Carbs = Diabetes.
I didn't say that, did I.
Is that a question or a statement.
Looks like a statement. I don't see a question mark.
Maybe in dare haste pudding they left the "?" out?!?
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »eh nevermind... not worth it.
Come on. . . . .just let it out. I bet you are either thinking something like 'southern' or 'sea salt' go ahead. . . . just say it.
What?0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »eh nevermind... not worth it.
Right, why would you want to hear anything scientific when it comes to low carb? That's ok. I don't feel like getting my scholarly articles out for someone who is just trying to cause trouble.
Bottom line, if you lower the overall blood glucose of those whose levels are on the high side..people with pre diabetes..you might prevent type 2. Just as those on low carb diets with type 2 diabetes have shown to be able to lower their a1c levels dramatically which allows them to lower insulin doses by an average of 95%.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
Meh, if they want to eat that way..that's fine. No one is forcing all of the world to follow in their footsteps. People will believe in what they want. It's not productive to get worked up over the word "real" and hijack the thread of someone who was looking for like minded friends.
I'm not religious so I stay away from churches.
The main point here is to not demonize food... there is no good food or bad food... it's just food... is there some food that is nutritionally better for you, sure... Processed foods are anything that is prepared... so technically, homemade chicken noodle soup made with organic, "clean", whatever descriptor of ingredients you want here is processed... putting food into catagories of "good" and "bad" does nothing but create a superiority complex of dieters and the people that hock them... I really really don't give a flying flip whether someone is vegan, paleo, IIFYM, Low fat, low carb, conventional, whatever... You do what's best for your body... Again, it's how the descriptors are used that ticks me off because you (in a general sense here) are using a broad brush to narrowly paint something just so you (again in general) can feel morally superior in your dietary choices. It's one thing to say "I don't eat pre-packaged food" or "meats raised conventionally"... but when we get into the "I don't eat processed foods" will that's ignorance talking, because like I said, virtually every food that lands on our table is some how processed... even if you are a raw vegan and just wash your food.
I don't think anyone is demonizing food. I also think that there is good and bad food. But, that's just how it is for some people. Some food is worse than other food.
I'm pretty sure someone can feel just as morally superior proclaiming they don't eat prepackaged food as someone saying they don't eat processed food. It's just words. Semantics, really.
I felt the OP's initial post was meant to be friendly. She was in search of like minded people. Then the ones who love to jump in at the sight of the awful phrase 'real food' came in and turned this into a debate. I hope she has better luck in the low carb board.
Maybe because using the term "real food" implies that others eat "fake food"... and is in my opinion creating the false dicotomy between foods. Again, in my opinion it's annoying.
I'm sorry. But I still don't see how someone's personal choice of foods and personal food philosophy, which obviously wasn't meant as an attack on anyone else, casts moral dispersions on other people. It's not like the OP posted "Everybody who eats processed foods are doody-heads!" That isn't what happened. This is what happened:Looking for open-minded, thoughtful mfp friends who are on a weight loss journey that focuses on mainly eating real, unprocessed, low(er) carb foods... no added sugars or grains! I'm not ketogenic, but I might be on certain days here and there.
And of course, realistically, we all cheat at times.
Doesn't look like a call to arms to me. There are so many annoying people or stupid crap on here, I would exhaust myself trying to set them all straight. Why bother? People don't post that stuff on this forum to annoy ME. This really doesn't seem like that important a battle to me. She wants to eat unprocessed foods, and find others like her who have that focus. What's the harm? She's not hurting anyone else or attacking anyone else's choices. Different strokes.
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals!
OP states shes on a "weight loss journey"
And that she's trying to avoid DIABETES.
Ah, right I forgot. Carbs = Diabetes.
I didn't say that, did I.
Is that a question or a statement.
Looks like a statement. I don't see a question mark.
Maybe in dare haste pudding they left the "?" out?!?
maybe. We will never know for sure 0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »eh nevermind... not worth it.
Right, why would you want to hear anything scientific when it comes to low carb? That's ok. I don't feel like getting my scholarly articles out for someone who is just trying to cause trouble.
Bottom line, if you lower the overall blood glucose of those whose levels are on the high side..people with pre diabetes..you might prevent type 2. Just as those on low carb diets with type 2 diabetes have shown to be able to lower their a1c levels dramatically which allows them to lower insulin doses by an average of 95%.
It's not relevant to me, so even if you were to post an article in support of low carbohydrate diets being effective for those with Type 2 Diabetes, I wouldn't care. I don't have a medical condition. I consume 500-600g carbs a day. That's why I don't feel the need to continue.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals!
OP states shes on a "weight loss journey"
And that she's trying to avoid DIABETES.
Ah, right I forgot. Carbs = Diabetes.
I didn't say that, did I.
Is that a question or a statement.
Looks like a statement. I don't see a question mark.
Maybe in dare haste pudding they left the "?" out?!? maybe. We will never know for sure
She and I have a thing. I was being sarcastic with my response.-1 -
LolBroScience wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »eh nevermind... not worth it.
Right, why would you want to hear anything scientific when it comes to low carb? That's ok. I don't feel like getting my scholarly articles out for someone who is just trying to cause trouble.
Bottom line, if you lower the overall blood glucose of those whose levels are on the high side..people with pre diabetes..you might prevent type 2. Just as those on low carb diets with type 2 diabetes have shown to be able to lower their a1c levels dramatically which allows them to lower insulin doses by an average of 95%.
It's not relevant to me, so even if you were to post an article in support of low carbohydrate diets being effective for those with Type 2 Diabetes, I wouldn't care. I don't have a medical condition. I consume 500-600g carbs a day. That's why I don't feel the need to continue.
Then why are you even here to begin with?
Definitely a dearth of lulz in here. Sigh...0 -
baconslave wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
Meh, if they want to eat that way..that's fine. No one is forcing all of the world to follow in their footsteps. People will believe in what they want. It's not productive to get worked up over the word "real" and hijack the thread of someone who was looking for like minded friends.
I'm not religious so I stay away from churches.
The main point here is to not demonize food... there is no good food or bad food... it's just food... is there some food that is nutritionally better for you, sure... Processed foods are anything that is prepared... so technically, homemade chicken noodle soup made with organic, "clean", whatever descriptor of ingredients you want here is processed... putting food into catagories of "good" and "bad" does nothing but create a superiority complex of dieters and the people that hock them... I really really don't give a flying flip whether someone is vegan, paleo, IIFYM, Low fat, low carb, conventional, whatever... You do what's best for your body... Again, it's how the descriptors are used that ticks me off because you (in a general sense here) are using a broad brush to narrowly paint something just so you (again in general) can feel morally superior in your dietary choices. It's one thing to say "I don't eat pre-packaged food" or "meats raised conventionally"... but when we get into the "I don't eat processed foods" will that's ignorance talking, because like I said, virtually every food that lands on our table is some how processed... even if you are a raw vegan and just wash your food.
I don't think anyone is demonizing food. I also think that there is good and bad food. But, that's just how it is for some people. Some food is worse than other food.
I'm pretty sure someone can feel just as morally superior proclaiming they don't eat prepackaged food as someone saying they don't eat processed food. It's just words. Semantics, really.
I felt the OP's initial post was meant to be friendly. She was in search of like minded people. Then the ones who love to jump in at the sight of the awful phrase 'real food' came in and turned this into a debate. I hope she has better luck in the low carb board.
Maybe because using the term "real food" implies that others eat "fake food"... and is in my opinion creating the false dicotomy between foods. Again, in my opinion it's annoying.
I'm sorry. But I still don't see how someone's personal choice of foods and personal food philosophy, which obviously wasn't meant as an attack on anyone else, casts moral dispersions on other people. It's not like the OP posted "Everybody who eats processed foods are doody-heads!" That isn't what happened. This is what happened:Looking for open-minded, thoughtful mfp friends who are on a weight loss journey that focuses on mainly eating real, unprocessed, low(er) carb foods... no added sugars or grains! I'm not ketogenic, but I might be on certain days here and there.
And of course, realistically, we all cheat at times.
Doesn't look like a call to arms to me. There are so many annoying people or stupid crap on here, I would exhaust myself trying to set them all straight. Why bother? People don't post that stuff on this forum to annoy ME. This really doesn't seem like that important a battle to me. She wants to eat unprocessed foods, and find others like her who have that focus. What's the harm? She's not hurting anyone else or attacking anyone else's choices. Different strokes.
I wouldn't say it's a call to arms. It's just perpetuating a myth that "clean eating" is the way to lose weight. Besides that, it muddies up the actual process of weight loss by inserting terms like "real food" and "unprocessed."0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »eh nevermind... not worth it.
Right, why would you want to hear anything scientific when it comes to low carb? That's ok. I don't feel like getting my scholarly articles out for someone who is just trying to cause trouble.
Bottom line, if you lower the overall blood glucose of those whose levels are on the high side..people with pre diabetes..you might prevent type 2. Just as those on low carb diets with type 2 diabetes have shown to be able to lower their a1c levels dramatically which allows them to lower insulin doses by an average of 95%.
It's not relevant to me, so even if you were to post an article in support of low carbohydrate diets being effective for those with Type 2 Diabetes, I wouldn't care. I don't have a medical condition. I consume 500-600g carbs a day. That's why I don't feel the need to continue.
Wait, but you have muscles. How? That much? Are you sure? If you go to 400 are you low carbing? (And yes, sarcasm for the first 3 questions)
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blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
Meh, if they want to eat that way..that's fine. No one is forcing all of the world to follow in their footsteps. People will believe in what they want. It's not productive to get worked up over the word "real" and hijack the thread of someone who was looking for like minded friends.
I'm not religious so I stay away from churches.
The main point here is to not demonize food... there is no good food or bad food... it's just food... is there some food that is nutritionally better for you, sure... Processed foods are anything that is prepared... so technically, homemade chicken noodle soup made with organic, "clean", whatever descriptor of ingredients you want here is processed... putting food into catagories of "good" and "bad" does nothing but create a superiority complex of dieters and the people that hock them... I really really don't give a flying flip whether someone is vegan, paleo, IIFYM, Low fat, low carb, conventional, whatever... You do what's best for your body... Again, it's how the descriptors are used that ticks me off because you (in a general sense here) are using a broad brush to narrowly paint something just so you (again in general) can feel morally superior in your dietary choices. It's one thing to say "I don't eat pre-packaged food" or "meats raised conventionally"... but when we get into the "I don't eat processed foods" will that's ignorance talking, because like I said, virtually every food that lands on our table is some how processed... even if you are a raw vegan and just wash your food.
I don't think anyone is demonizing food. I also think that there is good and bad food. But, that's just how it is for some people. Some food is worse than other food.
I'm pretty sure someone can feel just as morally superior proclaiming they don't eat prepackaged food as someone saying they don't eat processed food. It's just words. Semantics, really.
I felt the OP's initial post was meant to be friendly. She was in search of like minded people. Then the ones who love to jump in at the sight of the awful phrase 'real food' came in and turned this into a debate. I hope she has better luck in the low carb board.
Maybe because using the term "real food" implies that others eat "fake food"... and is in my opinion creating the false dicotomy between foods. Again, in my opinion it's annoying.
Oh my goodness. Then go enjoy your fake food and laugh at those who don't partake in the deliciousness. yeah..saying fake food doesn't feel right.
I'm sorry that simple, incorrect, terms make you so annoyed.0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »eh nevermind... not worth it.
Right, why would you want to hear anything scientific when it comes to low carb? That's ok. I don't feel like getting my scholarly articles out for someone who is just trying to cause trouble.
Bottom line, if you lower the overall blood glucose of those whose levels are on the high side..people with pre diabetes..you might prevent type 2. Just as those on low carb diets with type 2 diabetes have shown to be able to lower their a1c levels dramatically which allows them to lower insulin doses by an average of 95%.
It's not relevant to me, so even if you were to post an article in support of low carbohydrate diets being effective for those with Type 2 Diabetes, I wouldn't care. I don't have a medical condition. I consume 500-600g carbs a day. That's why I don't feel the need to continue.
Wait, but you have muscles. How? That much? Are you sure? If you go to 400 are you low carbing? (And yes, sarcasm for the first 3 questions)
Nope, I wouldn't consider 400g low carb.0 -
hollydubs85 wrote: »baconslave wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
Meh, if they want to eat that way..that's fine. No one is forcing all of the world to follow in their footsteps. People will believe in what they want. It's not productive to get worked up over the word "real" and hijack the thread of someone who was looking for like minded friends.
I'm not religious so I stay away from churches.
The main point here is to not demonize food... there is no good food or bad food... it's just food... is there some food that is nutritionally better for you, sure... Processed foods are anything that is prepared... so technically, homemade chicken noodle soup made with organic, "clean", whatever descriptor of ingredients you want here is processed... putting food into catagories of "good" and "bad" does nothing but create a superiority complex of dieters and the people that hock them... I really really don't give a flying flip whether someone is vegan, paleo, IIFYM, Low fat, low carb, conventional, whatever... You do what's best for your body... Again, it's how the descriptors are used that ticks me off because you (in a general sense here) are using a broad brush to narrowly paint something just so you (again in general) can feel morally superior in your dietary choices. It's one thing to say "I don't eat pre-packaged food" or "meats raised conventionally"... but when we get into the "I don't eat processed foods" will that's ignorance talking, because like I said, virtually every food that lands on our table is some how processed... even if you are a raw vegan and just wash your food.
I don't think anyone is demonizing food. I also think that there is good and bad food. But, that's just how it is for some people. Some food is worse than other food.
I'm pretty sure someone can feel just as morally superior proclaiming they don't eat prepackaged food as someone saying they don't eat processed food. It's just words. Semantics, really.
I felt the OP's initial post was meant to be friendly. She was in search of like minded people. Then the ones who love to jump in at the sight of the awful phrase 'real food' came in and turned this into a debate. I hope she has better luck in the low carb board.
Maybe because using the term "real food" implies that others eat "fake food"... and is in my opinion creating the false dicotomy between foods. Again, in my opinion it's annoying.
I'm sorry. But I still don't see how someone's personal choice of foods and personal food philosophy, which obviously wasn't meant as an attack on anyone else, casts moral dispersions on other people. It's not like the OP posted "Everybody who eats processed foods are doody-heads!" That isn't what happened. This is what happened:Looking for open-minded, thoughtful mfp friends who are on a weight loss journey that focuses on mainly eating real, unprocessed, low(er) carb foods... no added sugars or grains! I'm not ketogenic, but I might be on certain days here and there.
And of course, realistically, we all cheat at times.
Doesn't look like a call to arms to me. There are so many annoying people or stupid crap on here, I would exhaust myself trying to set them all straight. Why bother? People don't post that stuff on this forum to annoy ME. This really doesn't seem like that important a battle to me. She wants to eat unprocessed foods, and find others like her who have that focus. What's the harm? She's not hurting anyone else or attacking anyone else's choices. Different strokes.
I wouldn't say it's a call to arms. It's just perpetuating a myth that "clean eating" is the way to lose weight. Besides that, it muddies up the actual process of weight loss by inserting terms like "real food" and "unprocessed."
This is why I'm here.0
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