Low(er) Carb Real Food
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Dragonwolf wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »
This would be a matter of opinion. I don't see many people unfriendly to keto or low carb, or paleo....i see people who argue that foods aren't bad, or my diet is the only way, or my way is the best way to eat. It doesn't matter to me what you eat, what does matter is when people send out incorrect or misinformation, that should be corrected for those that haven't taken the time, or have bought into the misinformation.0 -
Look girl. Don't go low carb..low fat...low anything......just go calorie deficit....honestly honey it works. I eat everything...just calorie deficit...omg...it works.....trust me....
no, no ..we all know that weight loss is extremely hard and you have to climate 99% of the "bad" foods and only then will you lose ...
You took offense to the insinuation that the food you eat is "fake," yet you posted something like this?
While calorie counting alone works in the technical sense (ie - if you can keep yourself under your calorie goal you will very likely lose weight, barring unknown medical conditions altering the "calories out" half of the equation), it doesn't work for everyone in the sustainability sense. I could weigh every bite that goes into my mouth and log every single thing, but that would lead me down the path of disordered eating and an unhealthy relationship with food (been there). I could disregard macronutrient ratios, stick with MFP defaults (except maybe up the protein a some), but then it'd be impossible for me to stick to my calorie goal, because I'd feel like I was starving, even on a sufficient calorie amount (been there, too). So no, calorie counting without much regard to anything else is not the miracle panacea many people in these forums like to claim.
It works for you? Great! Keep doing it that way, then, if that's what makes you happy. Please just remember that it doesn't work for all of us. Yes, the ultimate goal is to burn more calories than you take in, but calorie counting isn't the only way to go about doing that. This is My Fitness Pal, not My Calorie Counting Pal. Not everyone uses this site the exact same way, and some use it with more personal emphasis on something other than calories. And that's okay.
If you want to include bread or ice cream in your way of eating, or if you want to get 50% of your fuel from carbs, then go for it. No one's forcing you to eat only whole foods by saying that they're doing it. No one's telling you to eat low carb by saying they're doing it. And when someone says they've chosen to eat a certain way, they're not telling you that your way of eating is wrong and you should change. So, please stop doing the same to those who emphasize something else or more than just calories. Save your defensiveness and "you're doing it wrong" tone for the people who are actually talking about how X food will give you cancer or some such and who are actually spouting nonsense. People choosing to eat a certain way for reasons unbeknownst to you and looking to find others who do the same have done nothing to deserve your condescension and snark.0 -
I'm with you OP. Cutting grain and things that come in a box was the best thing I ever did for my physique. I've been doing it for more than a year and a half.
I also get the "real" food notion. For me, it means I try to use fresh ingredients and put things together myself. Like, spaghetti sauce (which I like to eat on zucchini noodles) is made from tomatoes, olive oil, and whatever spice I feel like that day. I know it's all real food, but giving myself those limitations forces me to cook and eat healthier. Sometimes adding labels to things makes it easier to adhere to.
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I have done a low carb, high protein/high fat diet on the advice of my nutritional doctor since July 2013. Doing that, I lost 131 pounds and am now in my maintenance phase. It has been the best thing I've ever done. It hasn't been difficult. I never plateau'd during my journey, which is an absolute first in my life ... ever!! I feel better than I have in years. And after this loss, I look better than I have in the past when I have managed to lose. So there is something to be said for this food plan/lifestyle. Maybe it's not for everybody. But it sure worked for me. Anybody can friend me if they'd like. I do have some good recipes that I make. I don't cook a lot anymore, but I do have some good hints and the plan that my doctor gave me. I should probably add that I was diagnosed as insulin resistant, so this too is why this diet works well for me.0
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Dragonwolf wrote: »Look girl. Don't go low carb..low fat...low anything......just go calorie deficit....honestly honey it works. I eat everything...just calorie deficit...omg...it works.....trust me....
no, no ..we all know that weight loss is extremely hard and you have to climate 99% of the "bad" foods and only then will you lose ...
You took offense to the insinuation that the food you eat is "fake," yet you posted something like this?
While calorie counting alone works in the technical sense (ie - if you can keep yourself under your calorie goal you will very likely lose weight, barring unknown medical conditions altering the "calories out" half of the equation), it doesn't work for everyone in the sustainability sense. I could weigh every bite that goes into my mouth and log every single thing, but that would lead me down the path of disordered eating and an unhealthy relationship with food (been there). I could disregard macronutrient ratios, stick with MFP defaults (except maybe up the protein a some), but then it'd be impossible for me to stick to my calorie goal, because I'd feel like I was starving, even on a sufficient calorie amount (been there, too). So no, calorie counting without much regard to anything else is not the miracle panacea many people in these forums like to claim.
It works for you? Great! Keep doing it that way, then, if that's what makes you happy. Please just remember that it doesn't work for all of us. Yes, the ultimate goal is to burn more calories than you take in, but calorie counting isn't the only way to go about doing that. This is My Fitness Pal, not My Calorie Counting Pal. Not everyone uses this site the exact same way, and some use it with more personal emphasis on something other than calories. And that's okay.
If you want to include bread or ice cream in your way of eating, or if you want to get 50% of your fuel from carbs, then go for it. No one's forcing you to eat only whole foods by saying that they're doing it. No one's telling you to eat low carb by saying they're doing it. And when someone says they've chosen to eat a certain way, they're not telling you that your way of eating is wrong and you should change. So, please stop doing the same to those who emphasize something else or more than just calories. Save your defensiveness and "you're doing it wrong" tone for the people who are actually talking about how X food will give you cancer or some such and who are actually spouting nonsense. People choosing to eat a certain way for reasons unbeknownst to you and looking to find others who do the same have done nothing to deserve your condescension and snark.
that was sarcasm ….
and i am still waiting for a definition of "real food" …feel free to provide one...-1 -
aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Real food? Is this opposed to pretend food?
By real food, I mean largely unprocessed. No seed oils high in omega 6 fatty acids. Nothing what I would term "hyperpalatable." Nothing with added sugar, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes. Real grass-fed dairy, meat, pastured eggs.
Of course, all of that is an ideal situation, but it is a goal.
If I am going to cheat, it is going to homemade with real ingredients! Take a look at processed cookies on the shelf and see if you can find a single package without soybean oil instead of real butter.
I'm super excited for the holidays... I'm already planning some homemade egg nog!
hmmm so you are saying the rest of us eat "fake" food…?
You do realize that all food has chemicals in it, right?
oh and there is no different between "added" sugar and "natural" sugar, they are all the same and treated as your body as such….
LOL, yes, I'm aware of how the body reacts to sugar, yes, I know all food has "chemicals" in it
If you're not sure what I mean by real food, you are welcome to ask....
per my original post, read *open-minded* as code for humble, critical-thinking, not assuming you know it all, not afraid to go against the grain (no pun intended)...
yes, please define "real" food …?
If you know that all sugar is treated the same by your body, then you are you advocating avoiding "added" sugar….scottacular wrote: »I cringe when people use terms like 'real food' like they're better than other people who choose to eat food that doesn't fit into their limited range of what they deem to be acceptable. There are of course food types that are more nutritious than others, but there is no such thing as fake food. If you can eat it, it's 100% real. Demonising certain foods just isn't healthy. And no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it.
Ok, let me get this straight, "if you can eat it, it's real?"
Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly...
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm372915.htm
You say, "no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it"? Actually, trans fat is a case in point where actually there is NO recommended daily limit. The answer is just ZERO.
This is just one example of the difference between real and processed foods. I never used the term "fake." It popped into your head when you read "real." But yeah, when I see that "blueberries" in muffins are made of " sugar, corn syrup, starch, hydrogenated oil, artificial flavors, artificial food dye blue No. 2 and red No. 40," I definitely think "fake."
While the term "real food" might make you cringe... I cringe the more I learn about the food industry's cheap tactics and irresponsibility. Chemicals are tested and synthesized by industry, intensifying flavors from nature, with the exact purpose of making it so intense that you crave it.
Personally, I would rather cut out the lab-created, chemical flavors and enjoy the nuances of nature. Taste an apple and actually enjoy its intense sweetness. It takes time to adjust the palate, but now I'm at the point where asparagus actually does seem to have overtones reminiscent of birthday cake LOL0 -
I agree with the others that you need to find what works for you, keeps you satiated, and helps you towards your goals. For me, it's mostly whole foods with a few treats on most days, all fitting in my calories.
Strangely, I did low carb and found I had problems with hypoglycemia, and so I started adding more carbs back into my diet, although I definitely do best with the carb heavy foods later at night (no clue why).
Someone else suggested a keto group, and if you do decide keto works best for you, they'd likely have the best advice. There are the main discussion pages, but if you look in the blue bar under the community section you'll see groups. It's rather difficult to use currently because you can't search for groups, but this group seemed popular:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/1494-reddit-keto0 -
So today I went for a nutrition and body assessment, my first one, I knew it wasn't going to be good but it was still a little shocking. 31% body fat, but the most concerning thing was that it was all on my back and around my ribs so tomorrow I am being placed on a 2 week no carb (20g max per day) plan.
My nutritionist says that this should kick start my weight loss as fat around the back and ribs is due to carbohydrate packing (increasing a risk of diabetes), I do like carbs, I wouldn't say I ate lots of bread, pasta or potatoes but it is everything else that you dont think of that contains sugar and therefore carbs...fruit, baked beans, wine etc.
I think this will be tough, I don't mind salad but I am not a veg lover to be honest so we have agreed just 2 weeks as I have a weekend break booked after that where I wont be able to control my food as easily.
For those that don't approve of no carb this is what a nutritionist recommended.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »
I say low(er) carb because I just mean lower than the standard American diet. I just get my carbs from fruits and veggies... maybe potatoes and legumes once I get to my goal weight. I'm opting to prevent diabetes before it happens, as it is rampant in my family of origin.
I agree about the ketogenic, there are definitely benefits, but it's also too strict for me. In actuality though, the goal to prevent diabetes is to avoid highs and lows with your blood sugar. That means keeping whatever carb amount you take in even through the day. (I'm Type II)
So, I have 100g of carbs per day. I spread them out to 30 per meal. Sugar alcohol and fibre get removed from the carb count cause they don't affect blood sugar. I stay away from any grain and most fruits. Any veg I stick to low glycemic. I may have a small potato as a treat now and then.
I'm working up to ketogenic, but at this point, I believe I would fail.
Oh...and say low-carb and people here will seriously lose.their.*kitten*. Doesn't really matter. You can start your post with a big ole I AM DIABETIC and proceed to mention low carb and still get the whole IIFYM debate. Even though it's a FACT low carb is what diabetics need to do.
What can you do? It's the internet.
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there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
If a keto diet works for people, what's it to you? What company is pitching keto diets? How do these "companies" make any more money than people who follow IIFYM?0 -
My first thought is....beans! I stock my freezer with home-made hummus. I make a four bean chili with turkey every couple weeks; always a crowd-pleaser. Get the dry beans, soak them overnight, and cook gently for twenty minutes. They are fresher than canned and the dry keeps forever. I still enjoy breads and a variety of carbs, but I like changing things up with home-made, high-fiber, higher protein meals once in a while. Also check out Edamame.0
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I eat low carb/keto. I like the suggestion of finding the keto or low carber daily forum groups.
It's obviously that if you don't eat how other people are eating, they want you to eat like they do. You have your reasons for wanting to try a keto/low carb/lowER carb way of eating. People have a hard time grasping that concept.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "fake" but eating low carb, I naturally stick to the "outside" aisles of the grocery store. I don't really buy into the hype against processed foods or whatever it may be. I do eat Atkins bars every now and then but you don't HAVE to eat those, and I know alot of people on low carb don't eat any of the Atkins food products.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Real food? Is this opposed to pretend food?
By real food, I mean largely unprocessed. No seed oils high in omega 6 fatty acids. Nothing what I would term "hyperpalatable." Nothing with added sugar, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes. Real grass-fed dairy, meat, pastured eggs.
Of course, all of that is an ideal situation, but it is a goal.
If I am going to cheat, it is going to homemade with real ingredients! Take a look at processed cookies on the shelf and see if you can find a single package without soybean oil instead of real butter.
I'm super excited for the holidays... I'm already planning some homemade egg nog!
hmmm so you are saying the rest of us eat "fake" food…?
You do realize that all food has chemicals in it, right?
oh and there is no different between "added" sugar and "natural" sugar, they are all the same and treated as your body as such….
LOL, yes, I'm aware of how the body reacts to sugar, yes, I know all food has "chemicals" in it
If you're not sure what I mean by real food, you are welcome to ask....
per my original post, read *open-minded* as code for humble, critical-thinking, not assuming you know it all, not afraid to go against the grain (no pun intended)...
yes, please define "real" food …?
If you know that all sugar is treated the same by your body, then you are you advocating avoiding "added" sugar….scottacular wrote: »I cringe when people use terms like 'real food' like they're better than other people who choose to eat food that doesn't fit into their limited range of what they deem to be acceptable. There are of course food types that are more nutritious than others, but there is no such thing as fake food. If you can eat it, it's 100% real. Demonising certain foods just isn't healthy. And no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it.
Ok, let me get this straight, "if you can eat it, it's real?"
Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly...
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm372915.htm
You say, "no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it"? Actually, trans fat is case where actually there is NO recommended daily limit. The answer is just ZERO.
This is just one example of the difference between real and processed foods. I never used the term "fake." It popped into your head when you read "real." But yeah, when I see that "blueberries" in muffins are made of " sugar, corn syrup, starch, hydrogenated oil, artificial flavors, artificial food dye blue No. 2 and red No. 40," I definitely think "fake."
While the term "real food" might make you cringe... I cringe the more I learn about the food industry's cheap tactics and irresponsibility. Chemicals are tested and synthesized by industry, intensifying flavors from nature, with the exact purpose of making it so intense that you crave it.
Personally, I would rather cut out the lab-created, chemical flavors and enjoy the nuances of nature. Taste an apple and actually enjoy its intense sweetness. It takes time to adjust the palate, but now I'm at the point where asparagus actually does seem to have overtones reminiscent of birthday cake LOL
"Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly..."
Such ignorance. What are CLA and TVA and where are they found?0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Real food? Is this opposed to pretend food?
By real food, I mean largely unprocessed. No seed oils high in omega 6 fatty acids. Nothing what I would term "hyperpalatable." Nothing with added sugar, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes. Real grass-fed dairy, meat, pastured eggs.
Of course, all of that is an ideal situation, but it is a goal.
If I am going to cheat, it is going to homemade with real ingredients! Take a look at processed cookies on the shelf and see if you can find a single package without soybean oil instead of real butter.
I'm super excited for the holidays... I'm already planning some homemade egg nog!
hmmm so you are saying the rest of us eat "fake" food…?
You do realize that all food has chemicals in it, right?
oh and there is no different between "added" sugar and "natural" sugar, they are all the same and treated as your body as such….
LOL, yes, I'm aware of how the body reacts to sugar, yes, I know all food has "chemicals" in it
If you're not sure what I mean by real food, you are welcome to ask....
per my original post, read *open-minded* as code for humble, critical-thinking, not assuming you know it all, not afraid to go against the grain (no pun intended)...
yes, please define "real" food …?
If you know that all sugar is treated the same by your body, then you are you advocating avoiding "added" sugar….scottacular wrote: »I cringe when people use terms like 'real food' like they're better than other people who choose to eat food that doesn't fit into their limited range of what they deem to be acceptable. There are of course food types that are more nutritious than others, but there is no such thing as fake food. If you can eat it, it's 100% real. Demonising certain foods just isn't healthy. And no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it.
Ok, let me get this straight, "if you can eat it, it's real?"
Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly...
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm372915.htm
You say, "no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it"? Actually, trans fat is case where actually there is NO recommended daily limit. The answer is just ZERO.
This is just one example of the difference between real and processed foods. I never used the term "fake." It popped into your head when you read "real." But yeah, when I see that "blueberries" in muffins are made of " sugar, corn syrup, starch, hydrogenated oil, artificial flavors, artificial food dye blue No. 2 and red No. 40," I definitely think "fake."
While the term "real food" might make you cringe... I cringe the more I learn about the food industry's cheap tactics and irresponsibility. Chemicals are tested and synthesized by industry, intensifying flavors from nature, with the exact purpose of making it so intense that you crave it.
Personally, I would rather cut out the lab-created, chemical flavors and enjoy the nuances of nature. Taste an apple and actually enjoy its intense sweetness. It takes time to adjust the palate, but now I'm at the point where asparagus actually does seem to have overtones reminiscent of birthday cake LOL
"Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly..."
Such ignorance. What are CLA and TVA and where are they found?
IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not.0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Is it just me, or does it seem like the people with the largest number of posts are the biggest haters???
the biggest haters of?!?
apparently it is hating to question why someone would classify other people's eating as "fake food" and to inject a little common sense into the discussion. ..
Let's be honest, it really started when someone comes in and says "No, don't do that! Do it my way!" which happens in every.single. low carb post. And people think those on Atkins/low carb diets are preachy....
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aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Real food? Is this opposed to pretend food?
By real food, I mean largely unprocessed. No seed oils high in omega 6 fatty acids. Nothing what I would term "hyperpalatable." Nothing with added sugar, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes. Real grass-fed dairy, meat, pastured eggs.
Of course, all of that is an ideal situation, but it is a goal.
If I am going to cheat, it is going to homemade with real ingredients! Take a look at processed cookies on the shelf and see if you can find a single package without soybean oil instead of real butter.
I'm super excited for the holidays... I'm already planning some homemade egg nog!
hmmm so you are saying the rest of us eat "fake" food…?
You do realize that all food has chemicals in it, right?
oh and there is no different between "added" sugar and "natural" sugar, they are all the same and treated as your body as such….
LOL, yes, I'm aware of how the body reacts to sugar, yes, I know all food has "chemicals" in it
If you're not sure what I mean by real food, you are welcome to ask....
per my original post, read *open-minded* as code for humble, critical-thinking, not assuming you know it all, not afraid to go against the grain (no pun intended)...
yes, please define "real" food …?
If you know that all sugar is treated the same by your body, then you are you advocating avoiding "added" sugar….scottacular wrote: »I cringe when people use terms like 'real food' like they're better than other people who choose to eat food that doesn't fit into their limited range of what they deem to be acceptable. There are of course food types that are more nutritious than others, but there is no such thing as fake food. If you can eat it, it's 100% real. Demonising certain foods just isn't healthy. And no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it.
Ok, let me get this straight, "if you can eat it, it's real?"
Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly...
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm372915.htm
You say, "no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it"? Actually, trans fat is case where actually there is NO recommended daily limit. The answer is just ZERO.
This is just one example of the difference between real and processed foods. I never used the term "fake." It popped into your head when you read "real." But yeah, when I see that "blueberries" in muffins are made of " sugar, corn syrup, starch, hydrogenated oil, artificial flavors, artificial food dye blue No. 2 and red No. 40," I definitely think "fake."
While the term "real food" might make you cringe... I cringe the more I learn about the food industry's cheap tactics and irresponsibility. Chemicals are tested and synthesized by industry, intensifying flavors from nature, with the exact purpose of making it so intense that you crave it.
Personally, I would rather cut out the lab-created, chemical flavors and enjoy the nuances of nature. Taste an apple and actually enjoy its intense sweetness. It takes time to adjust the palate, but now I'm at the point where asparagus actually does seem to have overtones reminiscent of birthday cake LOL
"Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly..."
Such ignorance. What are CLA and TVA and where are they found?
IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not.
You can throw around names like bro, but I'm a little more informed then you are.
"I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable."
also here's another read
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.00094340 -
there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
If a keto diet works for people, what's it to you? What company is pitching keto diets? How do these "companies" make any more money than people who follow IIFYM?
Where did I say anything about Keto?
You do realize that people on Keto also follow IIFYM?0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Real food? Is this opposed to pretend food?
By real food, I mean largely unprocessed. No seed oils high in omega 6 fatty acids. Nothing what I would term "hyperpalatable." Nothing with added sugar, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes. Real grass-fed dairy, meat, pastured eggs.
Of course, all of that is an ideal situation, but it is a goal.
If I am going to cheat, it is going to homemade with real ingredients! Take a look at processed cookies on the shelf and see if you can find a single package without soybean oil instead of real butter.
I'm super excited for the holidays... I'm already planning some homemade egg nog!
hmmm so you are saying the rest of us eat "fake" food…?
You do realize that all food has chemicals in it, right?
oh and there is no different between "added" sugar and "natural" sugar, they are all the same and treated as your body as such….
LOL, yes, I'm aware of how the body reacts to sugar, yes, I know all food has "chemicals" in it
If you're not sure what I mean by real food, you are welcome to ask....
per my original post, read *open-minded* as code for humble, critical-thinking, not assuming you know it all, not afraid to go against the grain (no pun intended)...
yes, please define "real" food …?
If you know that all sugar is treated the same by your body, then you are you advocating avoiding "added" sugar….scottacular wrote: »I cringe when people use terms like 'real food' like they're better than other people who choose to eat food that doesn't fit into their limited range of what they deem to be acceptable. There are of course food types that are more nutritious than others, but there is no such thing as fake food. If you can eat it, it's 100% real. Demonising certain foods just isn't healthy. And no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it.
Ok, let me get this straight, "if you can eat it, it's real?"
Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly...
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm372915.htm
You say, "no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it"? Actually, trans fat is case where actually there is NO recommended daily limit. The answer is just ZERO.
This is just one example of the difference between real and processed foods. I never used the term "fake." It popped into your head when you read "real." But yeah, when I see that "blueberries" in muffins are made of " sugar, corn syrup, starch, hydrogenated oil, artificial flavors, artificial food dye blue No. 2 and red No. 40," I definitely think "fake."
While the term "real food" might make you cringe... I cringe the more I learn about the food industry's cheap tactics and irresponsibility. Chemicals are tested and synthesized by industry, intensifying flavors from nature, with the exact purpose of making it so intense that you crave it.
Personally, I would rather cut out the lab-created, chemical flavors and enjoy the nuances of nature. Taste an apple and actually enjoy its intense sweetness. It takes time to adjust the palate, but now I'm at the point where asparagus actually does seem to have overtones reminiscent of birthday cake LOL
"Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly..."
Such ignorance. What are CLA and TVA and where are they found?
IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not.
You can throw around names like bro, but I'm a little more informed then you are.
"I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable."
also here's another read
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0009434
ok.... a quantitative review from 2010 that seems to suggest that animal trans fats have similar (detrimental) effects on the lipid profile.... and this is supposed to tell me?
You do realize that this still means they're bad for you? So...0 -
there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
If a keto diet works for people, what's it to you? What company is pitching keto diets? How do these "companies" make any more money than people who follow IIFYM?
Where did I say anything about Keto?
You do realize that people on Keto also follow IIFYM?
LOL I do eat keto. I should have said people who IIFYM with a more "traditional" ratio. On this website I have never seen that spelled out though so I guess in this one instance you wanted it spelled out.0 -
there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
If a keto diet works for people, what's it to you? What company is pitching keto diets? How do these "companies" make any more money than people who follow IIFYM?
Where did I say anything about Keto?
You do realize that people on Keto also follow IIFYM?
LOL I do eat keto. I should have said people who IIFYM with a more "traditional" ratio. On this website I have never seen that spelled out though so I guess in this one instance you wanted it spelled out.
still not sure what point you are trying to make here?
Keto is fine if you want to do it.
I never referred to keto, I referred to the posting of "bad foods" "fake foods" "added sugar is the debil" malarkey-1 -
I'm with you OP. Cutting grain and things that come in a box was the best thing I ever did for my physique. I've been doing it for more than a year and a half.
I also get the "real" food notion. For me, it means I try to use fresh ingredients and put things together myself. Like, spaghetti sauce (which I like to eat on zucchini noodles) is made from tomatoes, olive oil, and whatever spice I feel like that day. I know it's all real food, but giving myself those limitations forces me to cook and eat healthier. Sometimes adding labels to things makes it easier to adhere to.
Ahhhh, common sense! Love it! And I also agree.0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »
There's a "Groups" item under the Community tab (when you're in the forums section, just look for it in the blue bar). You can then search for groups that might interest you.
I second the recommendation for Primal/Paleo Support Group. The Low Carber Daily Forum...The Group, Keto, and Reddit Keto groups are also good (even if you don't exactly follow their ways of eating, they're great resources for a number of things). The general forums are unfortunately not particularly friendly toward ways of eating that emphasize anything other than calories.
This. :flowerforyou:
And in response to the bolded phrase:
That's putting it quite mildly.
I never understand why people are so offended by other people's eating choices. As if their choice to eat differently is a personal attack and judgment upon others. A person's choice has NOTHING to do with other people and everything to do with what is best for them.
Everyone is not necessarily in need of being put in their place because they inadvertently use word-choices that make you uncomfortable. It IS ok for people to have different opinions and goals. Wrong is wrong. Different isn't necessarily wrong.
New people blunder into a nasty minefield here.
#1 Rule of MFP Club: Don't say sugar, carb, processed, real/fake food, or clean eating.
OP, I 3rd the recommendation. Good luck in your journey and keep doing what is right for you.
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baconslave wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »
There's a "Groups" item under the Community tab (when you're in the forums section, just look for it in the blue bar). You can then search for groups that might interest you.
I second the recommendation for Primal/Paleo Support Group. The Low Carber Daily Forum...The Group, Keto, and Reddit Keto groups are also good (even if you don't exactly follow their ways of eating, they're great resources for a number of things). The general forums are unfortunately not particularly friendly toward ways of eating that emphasize anything other than calories.
This. :flowerforyou:
And in response to the bolded phrase:
That's putting it quite mildly.
I never understand why people are so offended by other people's eating choices. As if their choice to eat differently is a personal attack and judgment upon others. A person's choice has NOTHING to do with other people and everything to do with what is best for them.
Everyone is not necessarily in need of being put in their place because they inadvertently use word-choices that make you uncomfortable. It IS ok for people to have different opinions and goals. Wrong is wrong. Different isn't necessarily wrong.
New people blunder into a nasty minefield here.
#1 Rule of MFP Club: Don't say sugar, carb, processed, real/fake food, or clean eating.
OP, I 3rd the recommendation. Good luck in your journey and keep doing what is right for you.
Thank you! I did get that "minefield" feeling. I'm glad it's not just me.
I do have a theory though about rudeness. People are too hard on themselves (and it spills over onto others). We are all on different places in our journey toward wellness, and that's ok!
I'm kicking myself that less than 12 months ago I had an intense loathing for all things fat, saturated fat, cholesterol... oh, well, I can only move forward from here
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Is it just me, or does it seem like the people with the largest number of posts are the biggest haters???
the biggest haters of?!?
apparently it is hating to question why someone would classify other people's eating as "fake food" and to inject a little common sense into the discussion. ..
Let's be honest, it really started when someone comes in and says "No, don't do that! Do it my way!" which happens in every.single. low carb post. And people think those on Atkins/low carb diets are preachy....
No kidding.
"Support me in doing low-carb" and "I need help with low-carb" is NOT synonymous with "tell me what I am doing is wrong and tell me how I should be doing it your way instead."
It IS messing around when a person who is opposed to low-carb diets targets them consistently. Some people are malicious while doing so. If you want to be helpful, go help people who need your advice in other diets. You should ideally give advice that is helpful. If the OP asks, "Should I do low-carb?", then feel free to give your opinion on the matter, in support or in disagreement. But people on this kind of thread want good information on their safe diet, not judgment on whether or not they should be doing it. I don't go into calorie counting threads and constantly post "don't do that. You need to be cutting carbs! Carbs are the devil. Do what I do. Yours is silly." I stay in my realm, the area in which my amateur expertise, and my personal research and experience are strong.
My circus, my monkeys. Because I realize there are valid and effective other eating plans to cut calories than my own. I don't presume to say what is best for everyone and push it on them.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Real food? Is this opposed to pretend food?
By real food, I mean largely unprocessed. No seed oils high in omega 6 fatty acids. Nothing what I would term "hyperpalatable." Nothing with added sugar, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes. Real grass-fed dairy, meat, pastured eggs.
Of course, all of that is an ideal situation, but it is a goal.
If I am going to cheat, it is going to homemade with real ingredients! Take a look at processed cookies on the shelf and see if you can find a single package without soybean oil instead of real butter.
I'm super excited for the holidays... I'm already planning some homemade egg nog!
hmmm so you are saying the rest of us eat "fake" food…?
You do realize that all food has chemicals in it, right?
oh and there is no different between "added" sugar and "natural" sugar, they are all the same and treated as your body as such….
LOL, yes, I'm aware of how the body reacts to sugar, yes, I know all food has "chemicals" in it
If you're not sure what I mean by real food, you are welcome to ask....
per my original post, read *open-minded* as code for humble, critical-thinking, not assuming you know it all, not afraid to go against the grain (no pun intended)...
yes, please define "real" food …?
If you know that all sugar is treated the same by your body, then you are you advocating avoiding "added" sugar….scottacular wrote: »I cringe when people use terms like 'real food' like they're better than other people who choose to eat food that doesn't fit into their limited range of what they deem to be acceptable. There are of course food types that are more nutritious than others, but there is no such thing as fake food. If you can eat it, it's 100% real. Demonising certain foods just isn't healthy. And no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it.
Ok, let me get this straight, "if you can eat it, it's real?"
Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly...
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm372915.htm
You say, "no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it"? Actually, trans fat is case where actually there is NO recommended daily limit. The answer is just ZERO.
This is just one example of the difference between real and processed foods. I never used the term "fake." It popped into your head when you read "real." But yeah, when I see that "blueberries" in muffins are made of " sugar, corn syrup, starch, hydrogenated oil, artificial flavors, artificial food dye blue No. 2 and red No. 40," I definitely think "fake."
While the term "real food" might make you cringe... I cringe the more I learn about the food industry's cheap tactics and irresponsibility. Chemicals are tested and synthesized by industry, intensifying flavors from nature, with the exact purpose of making it so intense that you crave it.
Personally, I would rather cut out the lab-created, chemical flavors and enjoy the nuances of nature. Taste an apple and actually enjoy its intense sweetness. It takes time to adjust the palate, but now I'm at the point where asparagus actually does seem to have overtones reminiscent of birthday cake LOL
"Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly..."
Such ignorance. What are CLA and TVA and where are they found?
IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not.
You can throw around names like bro, but I'm a little more informed then you are.
"I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable."
also here's another read
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0009434
ok.... a quantitative review from 2010 that seems to suggest that animal trans fats have similar (detrimental) effects on the lipid profile.... and this is supposed to tell me?
You do realize that this still means they're bad for you? So...
Oh no I had no idea, or maybe I posted that in response to this statement from you?
"IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not."0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Is it just me, or does it seem like the people with the largest number of posts are the biggest haters???
the biggest haters of?!?
apparently it is hating to question why someone would classify other people's eating as "fake food" and to inject a little common sense into the discussion. ..
Let's be honest, it really started when someone comes in and says "No, don't do that! Do it my way!" which happens in every.single. low carb post. And people think those on Atkins/low carb diets are preachy....
I never said anything about low carb...
I objected to calling foods "fake", as if the rest of us are somehow eating fake foods, and those eating "real" foods are somehow superior.
Also, I objected to removing "added" sugar as added sugar and natural sugar are the same..
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aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Real food? Is this opposed to pretend food?
By real food, I mean largely unprocessed. No seed oils high in omega 6 fatty acids. Nothing what I would term "hyperpalatable." Nothing with added sugar, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes. Real grass-fed dairy, meat, pastured eggs.
Of course, all of that is an ideal situation, but it is a goal.
If I am going to cheat, it is going to homemade with real ingredients! Take a look at processed cookies on the shelf and see if you can find a single package without soybean oil instead of real butter.
I'm super excited for the holidays... I'm already planning some homemade egg nog!
hmmm so you are saying the rest of us eat "fake" food…?
You do realize that all food has chemicals in it, right?
oh and there is no different between "added" sugar and "natural" sugar, they are all the same and treated as your body as such….
LOL, yes, I'm aware of how the body reacts to sugar, yes, I know all food has "chemicals" in it
If you're not sure what I mean by real food, you are welcome to ask....
per my original post, read *open-minded* as code for humble, critical-thinking, not assuming you know it all, not afraid to go against the grain (no pun intended)...
yes, please define "real" food …?
If you know that all sugar is treated the same by your body, then you are you advocating avoiding "added" sugar….scottacular wrote: »I cringe when people use terms like 'real food' like they're better than other people who choose to eat food that doesn't fit into their limited range of what they deem to be acceptable. There are of course food types that are more nutritious than others, but there is no such thing as fake food. If you can eat it, it's 100% real. Demonising certain foods just isn't healthy. And no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it.
Ok, let me get this straight, "if you can eat it, it's real?"
Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly...
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm372915.htm
You say, "no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it"? Actually, trans fat is case where actually there is NO recommended daily limit. The answer is just ZERO.
This is just one example of the difference between real and processed foods. I never used the term "fake." It popped into your head when you read "real." But yeah, when I see that "blueberries" in muffins are made of " sugar, corn syrup, starch, hydrogenated oil, artificial flavors, artificial food dye blue No. 2 and red No. 40," I definitely think "fake."
While the term "real food" might make you cringe... I cringe the more I learn about the food industry's cheap tactics and irresponsibility. Chemicals are tested and synthesized by industry, intensifying flavors from nature, with the exact purpose of making it so intense that you crave it.
Personally, I would rather cut out the lab-created, chemical flavors and enjoy the nuances of nature. Taste an apple and actually enjoy its intense sweetness. It takes time to adjust the palate, but now I'm at the point where asparagus actually does seem to have overtones reminiscent of birthday cake LOL
"Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly..."
Such ignorance. What are CLA and TVA and where are they found?
IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not.
You can throw around names like bro, but I'm a little more informed then you are.
"I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable."
also here's another read
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0009434
ok.... a quantitative review from 2010 that seems to suggest that animal trans fats have similar (detrimental) effects on the lipid profile.... and this is supposed to tell me?
You do realize that this still means they're bad for you? So...
Oh no I had no idea, or maybe I posted that in response to this statement from you?
"IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not."
Dude, you fished out one quantitative review from 2010 from the Netherlands that even stated that it was questioning THE general consesus that animal trans fats not as harmful as "fake" trans fats.
And reality check... only you injected the words "fake" and "superior" into this conversation.
You're hostile, even if only mildly so... give yourself and correspondingly everyone else a break. CHILL0 -
For both you and Adowe it is confusing because of the posts you replied to focused on the low carb aspect of the post._Terrapin_ wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Is it just me, or does it seem like the people with the largest number of posts are the biggest haters???
the biggest haters of?!?
apparently it is hating to question why someone would classify other people's eating as "fake food" and to inject a little common sense into the discussion. ..
Let's be honest, it really started when someone comes in and says "No, don't do that! Do it my way!" which happens in every.single. low carb post. And people think those on Atkins/low carb diets are preachy....
I never said anything about low carb...
I objected to calling foods "fake", as if the rest of us are somehow eating fake foods, and those eating "real" foods are somehow superior.
Also, I objected to removing "added" sugar as added sugar and natural sugar are the same..
The "haters" comment said, well in more words, "Try the keto forums, Less haters there". You didn't like the haters comment.
At the end of the day, who cares what another person eats? She is looking for people who eat similarly to her, not posting about anything magical about this way of eating for weight loss, not promoting a particular company, and she isn't on someone else's post touting her WOE as the "right" WOE.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Real food? Is this opposed to pretend food?
By real food, I mean largely unprocessed. No seed oils high in omega 6 fatty acids. Nothing what I would term "hyperpalatable." Nothing with added sugar, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes. Real grass-fed dairy, meat, pastured eggs.
Of course, all of that is an ideal situation, but it is a goal.
If I am going to cheat, it is going to homemade with real ingredients! Take a look at processed cookies on the shelf and see if you can find a single package without soybean oil instead of real butter.
I'm super excited for the holidays... I'm already planning some homemade egg nog!
hmmm so you are saying the rest of us eat "fake" food…?
You do realize that all food has chemicals in it, right?
oh and there is no different between "added" sugar and "natural" sugar, they are all the same and treated as your body as such….
LOL, yes, I'm aware of how the body reacts to sugar, yes, I know all food has "chemicals" in it
If you're not sure what I mean by real food, you are welcome to ask....
per my original post, read *open-minded* as code for humble, critical-thinking, not assuming you know it all, not afraid to go against the grain (no pun intended)...
yes, please define "real" food …?
If you know that all sugar is treated the same by your body, then you are you advocating avoiding "added" sugar….scottacular wrote: »I cringe when people use terms like 'real food' like they're better than other people who choose to eat food that doesn't fit into their limited range of what they deem to be acceptable. There are of course food types that are more nutritious than others, but there is no such thing as fake food. If you can eat it, it's 100% real. Demonising certain foods just isn't healthy. And no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it.
Ok, let me get this straight, "if you can eat it, it's real?"
Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly...
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm372915.htm
You say, "no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it"? Actually, trans fat is case where actually there is NO recommended daily limit. The answer is just ZERO.
This is just one example of the difference between real and processed foods. I never used the term "fake." It popped into your head when you read "real." But yeah, when I see that "blueberries" in muffins are made of " sugar, corn syrup, starch, hydrogenated oil, artificial flavors, artificial food dye blue No. 2 and red No. 40," I definitely think "fake."
While the term "real food" might make you cringe... I cringe the more I learn about the food industry's cheap tactics and irresponsibility. Chemicals are tested and synthesized by industry, intensifying flavors from nature, with the exact purpose of making it so intense that you crave it.
Personally, I would rather cut out the lab-created, chemical flavors and enjoy the nuances of nature. Taste an apple and actually enjoy its intense sweetness. It takes time to adjust the palate, but now I'm at the point where asparagus actually does seem to have overtones reminiscent of birthday cake LOL
"Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly..."
Such ignorance. What are CLA and TVA and where are they found?
IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not.
You can throw around names like bro, but I'm a little more informed then you are.
"I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable."
also here's another read
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0009434
ok.... a quantitative review from 2010 that seems to suggest that animal trans fats have similar (detrimental) effects on the lipid profile.... and this is supposed to tell me?
You do realize that this still means they're bad for you? So...
Oh no I had no idea, or maybe I posted that in response to this statement from you?
"IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not."
Dude, you fished out one quantitative review from 2010 from the Netherlands that even stated that it was questioning THE general consesus that animal trans fats not as harmful as "fake" trans fats.
And reality check... only you injected the words "fake" and "superior" into this conversation.
You're hostile, even if only mildly so... give yourself and correspondingly everyone else a break. CHILL
You may not have used the word fake, but by using the word "real" you implied there were unreal or fake foods.
And the superior injection comes from many a folk you give the air of ignorance when it comes to low carb/keto diets.
I find you more hostile Acg67.0 -
ViolaLeeBlueberry wrote: »I'm wondering why some people are so very bothered by someone else using a phrase like "real food." Pretty obvious what it means,
really.
Actually it's not... it's quite subjective... as is "unprocessed foods"... real food to me means anything that I can physically consume and digest and "unprocessed foods" means any food that has not been packaged, chopped, cooked, or prepared in anyway (ultimately raw foods and meat that has in no way shape or form been butchered). The opposite of "real food" is the plastic food my daughter has in her place kitchen and the opposite of "unprocessed food" is food that is now on my table... at least to me... so no, it's not "obvious" as to what it means.0
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