Low(er) Carb Real Food
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so rarely do we see posts that say "I'm looking for motivation from people who eat lots of synthetic crap." ... it can mimic real food, but just isn't it... yep, I loves me that Synthetic diet. (sarcasm)
seriously, I need to give up using canned/and bottled sauces. I've been taking the easy way out by adding canned tomatoes to my meals. I really could be doing so much better without them and all the preservatives added in that packaging process.
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seems like all the hating could actually be jealousy.
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aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »Real food? Is this opposed to pretend food?
By real food, I mean largely unprocessed. No seed oils high in omega 6 fatty acids. Nothing what I would term "hyperpalatable." Nothing with added sugar, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, chemicals, preservatives, food dyes. Real grass-fed dairy, meat, pastured eggs.
Of course, all of that is an ideal situation, but it is a goal.
If I am going to cheat, it is going to homemade with real ingredients! Take a look at processed cookies on the shelf and see if you can find a single package without soybean oil instead of real butter.
I'm super excited for the holidays... I'm already planning some homemade egg nog!
hmmm so you are saying the rest of us eat "fake" food…?
You do realize that all food has chemicals in it, right?
oh and there is no different between "added" sugar and "natural" sugar, they are all the same and treated as your body as such….
LOL, yes, I'm aware of how the body reacts to sugar, yes, I know all food has "chemicals" in it
If you're not sure what I mean by real food, you are welcome to ask....
per my original post, read *open-minded* as code for humble, critical-thinking, not assuming you know it all, not afraid to go against the grain (no pun intended)...
yes, please define "real" food …?
If you know that all sugar is treated the same by your body, then you are you advocating avoiding "added" sugar….scottacular wrote: »I cringe when people use terms like 'real food' like they're better than other people who choose to eat food that doesn't fit into their limited range of what they deem to be acceptable. There are of course food types that are more nutritious than others, but there is no such thing as fake food. If you can eat it, it's 100% real. Demonising certain foods just isn't healthy. And no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it.
Ok, let me get this straight, "if you can eat it, it's real?"
Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly...
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm372915.htm
You say, "no food is bad for you unless you eat too much of it"? Actually, trans fat is case where actually there is NO recommended daily limit. The answer is just ZERO.
This is just one example of the difference between real and processed foods. I never used the term "fake." It popped into your head when you read "real." But yeah, when I see that "blueberries" in muffins are made of " sugar, corn syrup, starch, hydrogenated oil, artificial flavors, artificial food dye blue No. 2 and red No. 40," I definitely think "fake."
While the term "real food" might make you cringe... I cringe the more I learn about the food industry's cheap tactics and irresponsibility. Chemicals are tested and synthesized by industry, intensifying flavors from nature, with the exact purpose of making it so intense that you crave it.
Personally, I would rather cut out the lab-created, chemical flavors and enjoy the nuances of nature. Taste an apple and actually enjoy its intense sweetness. It takes time to adjust the palate, but now I'm at the point where asparagus actually does seem to have overtones reminiscent of birthday cake LOL
"Even if it an entirely new chemical compound, created only by humans, with proven, severe effects on health (increased risk for cardiovascular and metabolic disease)? A compound found in a majority of processed foods for decades? (Lots and lots of us ate it and continue to eat it.... and a lot of it).
I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable. NOW we know that they are absolutely horrible for you. NOW the data is coming out, the FDA is slowly taking steps to reduce them... slowly..."
Such ignorance. What are CLA and TVA and where are they found?
IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not.
You can throw around names like bro, but I'm a little more informed then you are.
"I'm talking about trans fats. They are a by-product of an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil in order to make it solid at room temperature and more shelf stable."
also here's another read
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0009434
ok.... a quantitative review from 2010 that seems to suggest that animal trans fats have similar (detrimental) effects on the lipid profile.... and this is supposed to tell me?
You do realize that this still means they're bad for you? So...
Oh no I had no idea, or maybe I posted that in response to this statement from you?
"IF they are animal-sourced, they are safe. Sadly, bro, the ones in processed foods are not."
Dude, you fished out one quantitative review from 2010 from the Netherlands that even stated that it was questioning THE general consesus that animal trans fats not as harmful as "fake" trans fats.
And reality check... only you injected the words "fake" and "superior" into this conversation.
You're hostile, even if only mildly so... give yourself and correspondingly everyone else a break. CHILL
Please quote where I used the terms fake or superior in my response to you
I don't know how anybody can go back and tell anything the way the stupid quote boxes are behaving now. Geez. Click "show previous quotes" and see that mess. It's gonna break MFP. :grimacing:
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I dunno. This place resembles a bit of a zoo at times...
Keep up the interesting convo, y'all. I'm going to go eat two fatty chicken legs and then workout.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
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aqsylvester wrote: »Is it just me, or does it seem like the people with the largest number of posts are the biggest haters???
I had to switch to carb counting in May due to my diabetes. I have a tighter control on my blood sugars since than and I am down 26lbs. I have found that I don't want to take large doses of insulin so I don't eat foods high is carbs.
That being said, there are days you just have to have something high in carbs.
I love roasting veggies in the oven with olive oil and different seasonings. And my crock pot has become my best friend. A delicious roast beef, london broil or whole chicken. Never make the same thing twice since there are so many ways to season the food. My husband doesn't miss the potato or rice at dinner.
And don't let the negative comments bother you. No one diet works for everyone. I am a big advocate for Weight Watchers, however, it doesn't work well for me anymore due to carb counting. Right now, this works. You have to find what works for you.
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darn, that's what I'm doing wrong? ...
I didn't realize I was supposed to deficit... Just eat fat and protein, eat til satisfied... I could have sworn I read I didn't even need to count anything.
Deficit? really?
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RoseyDgirl wrote: »seems like all the hating could actually be jealousy.
Just from the little I know of them in the forums, the posters who don't agree also have worked hard for what they have, whatever method they choose.
We all have our own battles and its not worth trying to compare your "journey" to other people's.0 -
no, they're jealous because they can't start their days regularly with bacon. 0
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RoseyDgirl wrote: »no, they're jealous because they can't start their days regularly with bacon.
:huh:
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RoseyDgirl wrote: »no, they're jealous because they can't start their days regularly with bacon.
Yes, since only low carbers can eat bacon everyday.
Other dieters can eat bacon, hashbrowns and toast everyday, imagine that
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blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.0 -
RoseyDgirl wrote: »no, they're jealous because they can't start their days regularly with bacon.
Says who? Unless one is a strict veggie eater... anyone can start their day with bacon... low carb or not...0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
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(I just discovered the smilies)...
in case you don't remember bacon - it's fat and delicious and pork, and some dieters won't eat it, and will choose imitation bacon made with turkey - which is such a rip-off because it doesn't taste half as good...
Yes, total reason for jealousy would be over the bacon...
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RoseyDgirl wrote: »no, they're jealous because they can't start their days regularly with bacon.
Don't be THAT low carber. You're basically preaching, too. And its annoying.
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yuck! ... I totally don't want to be preachie - only humorous. Seems folks don't have a humor around here at times. And, that's a bit depressing.0
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RoseyDgirl wrote: » (I just discovered the smilies)...
in case you don't remember bacon - it's fat and delicious and pork, and some dieters won't eat it, and will choose imitation bacon made with turkey - which is such a rip-off because it doesn't taste half as good...
Yes, total reason for jealousy would be over the bacon...
I would suggest you stop now, because obviously you haven't spent much time on MFP forums.
There are several people who eat low calorie, that is NOT the same as eating low fat, which your making assumptions about. Just like people who make assumptions about low carb eating.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
Meh, if they want to eat that way..that's fine. No one is forcing all of the world to follow in their footsteps. People will believe in what they want. It's not productive to get worked up over the word "real" and hijack the thread of someone who was looking for like minded friends.
I'm not religious so I stay away from churches.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
Meh, if they want to eat that way..that's fine. No one is forcing all of the world to follow in their footsteps. People will believe in what they want. It's not productive to get worked up over the word "real" and hijack the thread of someone who was looking for like minded friends.
I'm not religious so I stay away from churches.
The main point here is to not demonize food... there is no good food or bad food... it's just food... is there some food that is nutritionally better for you, sure... Processed foods are anything that is prepared... so technically, homemade chicken noodle soup made with organic, "clean", whatever descriptor of ingredients you want here is processed... putting food into catagories of "good" and "bad" does nothing but create a superiority complex of dieters and the people that hock them... I really really don't give a flying flip whether someone is vegan, paleo, IIFYM, Low fat, low carb, conventional, whatever... You do what's best for your body... Again, it's how the descriptors are used that ticks me off because you (in a general sense here) are using a broad brush to narrowly paint something just so you (again in general) can feel morally superior in your dietary choices. It's one thing to say "I don't eat pre-packaged food" or "meats raised conventionally"... but when we get into the "I don't eat processed foods" will that's ignorance talking, because like I said, virtually every food that lands on our table is some how processed... even if you are a raw vegan and just wash your food.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
That's actually true. A banana spikes my sugar worse than a cupcake, and low carb keeps my base blood sugar high, has something to do with my body panicking into producing more glucose than needed which my cells can't take in effectively. I was advised by my doctor to stay moderate carbs (between 100-200) for that reason, because my sugar goes whack at either extreme end.
Ultimately, if OP feels this will help her avoid diabetes, then she should do what she pleases, though it may or may not be enough since it's genetic. Neither sugar nor carbs have been linked to diabetes. Some carbs (namely grains and fiber), are actually thought to be protective against diabetes, but since stress is actually a significant risk factor, if low carb provides peace of mind, then mission accomplished.
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I spike from rice.0
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RoseyDgirl wrote: »no, they're jealous because they can't start their days regularly with bacon.
Pretty sure on days i choose to eat bacon I eat bacon. Can I eat it every day? Yes! Do i do it every day? no I don't always have time0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
No one is opposing a low carb diet, we are opposing her use of "real" food terminology as it's a *kitten* term.-2 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
That's actually true. A banana spikes my sugar worse than a cupcake, and low carb keeps my base blood sugar high, has something to do with my body panicking into producing more glucose than needed which my cells can't take in effectively. I was advised by my doctor to stay moderate carbs (between 100-200) for that reason, because my sugar goes whack at either extreme end.
Ultimately, if OP feels this will help her avoid diabetes, then she should do what she pleases, though it may or may not be enough since it's genetic. Neither sugar nor carbs have been linked to diabetes. Some carbs (namely grains and fiber), are actually thought to be protective against diabetes, but since stress is actually a significant risk factor, if low carb provides peace of mind, then mission accomplished.
Salmon spikes my sugar worse than a banana.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals! 0 -
The word demonizing is kinda hyperbolic as well.blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
The word demonizing is kinda hyperbolic as well.blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
I'm not the one saying the food industry is evil and prepackaged food is bad.0 -
Again, I'd say this says more about you.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
The word demonizing is kinda hyperbolic as well.blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »there's a board for keto, you'll probably get more help there. less haters.
Hater of what? Nonsense? Unscientific based info? Companies pitching any and all diets to make a profit? if you mean any of those I agree...if you don't then I'm not sure I would agree that they are haters....
I'll need some clarification on what you mean here.
There is actually a lot of science to back up choosing a low carb lifestyle. Especially considering the OP stated that there is a large amount of diabetes in her family. She would probably benefit tremendously from low carb.and sugar is sugar..at the molecular level it is all the same.
Can you please tell my pancreas that? It doesn't seem to understand the concept..
You must have a medical condition!
And the OP said she's trying to avoid a medical condition that's prevalent in her family history; yet, there are still people posting opposition to her want to eat a low carb diet, unprocessed diet.
Whether I have a medical condition or not doesn't matter. The body responds differently to different forms of sugar. To your body they are not the same.
Personally, I don't care what "diet" a person uses... but this whole paleo-clean eating- demonize anything from a grocery story type terminology needs to stop... it's annoying and hyperbolic.
I'm not the one saying the food industry is evil and prepackaged food is bad.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I bet her mind would be blown if she realized someone was losing weight eating a low carb diet because...dun dun dun...you maintain a calorie deficit!
And she might be amazed to learn that different people have: different goals!
OP states shes on a "weight loss journey"0
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