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Getting discouraged. Lean bulk or cut? What should I do?
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JeffseekingV wrote: »
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
As has already been stated by @usmcmp, neither of you are helping the OP at this point, so don't be high and mighty.
OP: Please just follow the program and trust the process. You'll be getting 5x5 of your current 1RM before you know it.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »
Sure but how does that help? Like I've said, you might be frustrated but posting that doesn't help him IMHO. It's a public forum and as long as the mods don't delete or close the thread, anyone is able to post anything. The question is "should you"
I think posting that he's gotten great advice and he just needs to take it does help him. Coddling and letting him ask the same questions over and over again is like playing on a Merry-go-round. It might make him feel good, but in the end it gets him nowhere. Someone has to put their foot down and tell him to climb off the plastic horse.0 -
Glad you notice my arrogance, it's part of me and I love me. I'm sorry you allow it to hit you right in the feels the way it does. Especially from an online stranger. That's not healthy, for you.
Glad you admit it. It was obvious. Other than that, I have no idea what the rest of your emotional rant actually means. Can someone translate it? I have no feelings about you either way. Just pointing out that you're willing to completely trash this guy's thread in order to have the last word on this ridiculous line of thought.0 -
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edit - nvm... don't care0
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@MityMax96 Nope! She was sound asleep. Even the facebook notification that I tagged her didn't wake her.
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LolBroScience wrote: »
I suppose it's as helpful as repeating the same answer over and over...
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
But I try to be as respectful and helpful to the OP as possible like you said. Thus, it creates a dilemma.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »
I recommend not repeating the same answer over and over.
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.0 -
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LolBroScience wrote: »
But I try to be as respectful and helpful to the OP as possible like you said. Thus, it creates a dilemma.
I don't see a dilemma at all.0 -
@MityMax96 Nope! She was sound asleep. Even the facebook notification that I tagged her didn't wake her.
LOL
Too funny
and you are just cheesing it up.
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JeffseekingV wrote: »
I don't see a dilemma at all.
Not surprising.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »
I don't see a dilemma at all.
Dilemma: Give him good advice even if you have to keep repeating it or tell him he's right and it isn't his fault. That's tough.0 -
Even if it's the right answer? Doesn't matter if he can't understand why the program is made that way. It doesn't change the fact that it's a solid program and better than the butchered program he was doing.
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/0 -
Hey!!!!!! Close your mouth!!!! You're drooling.
For sure! Cheesing it up! Isn't that what big brothers and sisters are supposed to do? Take humiliating pictures of their younger siblings?
She sits around with her mouth open anyway, so it was the snoring that gave it away.0 -
You are not wrong0
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Dilemma: Give him good advice even if you have to keep repeating it or tell him he's right and it isn't his fault. That's tough.
I never said who's fault it is. If he doesn't want to following XX person's advice, that's on him.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »
I agree that the 5x5 is a good program. One that he should consider. Maybe just point him to an article like this that will answer most of this questions. although this one does advocate him starting out close to his current 5x5 number
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark70.htm
This one seems really complete as far as the why and how
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
Not surprising.
What are you going to do if he doesn't follow your advice? Drive over there and make him do it? Repeat it until he does it?0 -
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
Yup, I posted the SL5x5 web address for the OP a couple of pages ago.0 -
You're repeating the same advice we've given and nearly identical articles that he's been given that explain everything. Next up, he says he doesn't understand not going to failure and how you are supposed to make progress if you don't fail. Back around on the merry-go-round.
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »
I never said who's fault it is. If he doesn't want to following XX person's advice, that's on him.
The only real advice that has been repeated by everyone is the main thing he's not listening to. Follow the program like it is built. He wants to modify and that's why as a guy who has been lifting for 3 years he has the stats of a noob. Plus, all he talks about is bench press and I'm guessing that his accessory work is lacking.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
K great, so you've added nothing of value which has already been said by multiple users in collective agreement for nearly 11 pages.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
K great, so you've added nothing of value which has already been said by multiple users in collective agreement for nearly 11 pages.
I didn't recommend 5x5. I only agreed that that is one of the many programs that would help him.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »
I'll post the advice once. Maybe mention it again once. After that, he's on his own.
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.0 -
I was doing an edited version of icf 5x5 but it basically turned into my own thing. An A/B Style workout 3x / week: (modified now and then. Switching between 5x5 and 8-10x3 for reps and sets every other week or so recently)
A:
Squat
Bench press
Bent over db row
Lateral db raise
Shrugs
Tricep press down
Push ups
B:
Deadlift (sometimes)
Overhead press
Last pull down
Close grip bench press
Row
Dumbbell curl
Rear delt flies
It's varied over the past few months. Again I triedto begin switching up reps and set schemes to get more variety. But it's ahed to gauge my progress that way
He mentions what he "does" already.0 -
We wouldn't have to keep posting it if he didn't keep asking the same questions in different ways. There comes the dilemma. You say pointing out the fact that he's asking questions in circles doesn't help him, but does abandoning it after saying it twice like you do help? I think calling someone on their lack of action and over thinking is better than just walking away.
Ok, then don't get upset about having to repeat the information again and again.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »
He mentions what he "does" already.
You're right, my bad. It also mentions that he is doing his own thing and not following a program like it is built. That's his issue. Period.0
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