Getting discouraged. Lean bulk or cut? What should I do?
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
I didn't really when I looked in the mirror...but a side by side showed a change from looking like a pear to more of an hourglass, but it wasn't until I saw the numbers that it really clicked.
Ahh, I see now. I found the best thing for the shoulder girdle was doing C&J and snatching. It makes a huge difference in delt and trap thickness. I noticed it more from how the feel of my shirts fit around the shoulders.
I do power cleans, but have never done jerked or snatched (I'm giggling like a 14yo boy right now). I'm afraid of doing them wrong
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The amount of jacked men in this thread is making me sad.
I wonder if anyone is going to be a damn cry baby again and have the pictures removed like they did to PWR. Morons.
Didn't even realize that they were pulled it wasn't like one of those thigh gap pictures. MFP gets a little strange at times.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »The amount of jacked men in this thread is making me sad.
I wonder if anyone is going to be a damn cry baby again and have the pictures removed like they did to PWR. Morons.
Didn't even realize that they were pulled it wasn't like one of those thigh gap pictures. MFP gets a little strange at times.
Oooohhhh....should we start posting thigh gap pics?!0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
I didn't really when I looked in the mirror...but a side by side showed a change from looking like a pear to more of an hourglass, but it wasn't until I saw the numbers that it really clicked.
Ahh, I see now. I found the best thing for the shoulder girdle was doing C&J and snatching. It makes a huge difference in delt and trap thickness. I noticed it more from how the feel of my shirts fit around the shoulders.
I do power cleans, but have never done jerked or snatched (I'm giggling like a 14yo boy right now). I'm afraid of doing them wrong
Yes, it's your duty to snatch -- Peter Griffin is giddy now!
Don't worry about doing it wrong because EVERYONE does them wrong at first. I was practicing for over a month with a broom handle to get the form down. It takes some time to work both form and get the proper strength and flexibility. I was helping a couple guys do OHS last night and they couldn't get below parallel because they lacked balance, flexibility and strength, but in a couple weeks they will be doing it more or less correctly.
Give it a try, Snatch is one of the best things for upper back.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »The amount of jacked men in this thread is making me sad.
I wonder if anyone is going to be a damn cry baby again and have the pictures removed like they did to PWR. Morons.
Didn't even realize that they were pulled it wasn't like one of those thigh gap pictures. MFP gets a little strange at times.
Oooohhhh....should we start posting thigh gap pics?!
LOL then it will be like that Chipotles thread!0 -
OHS is another thing I keep thinking about and not doing. I've got squat day tomorrow and WILL do them!!!
Will try jerk and snatch on Sunday. I'll be YouTubeing videos first!0 -
OHS is another thing I keep thinking about and not doing. I've got squat day tomorrow and WILL do them!!!
Will try jerk and snatch on Sunday. I'll be YouTubeing videos first!
Some call OHS the king of exercises as it can really work the full body and you will see how strong your core is when doing it.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »OHS is another thing I keep thinking about and not doing. I've got squat day tomorrow and WILL do them!!!
Will try jerk and snatch on Sunday. I'll be YouTubeing videos first!
Some call OHS the king of exercises as it can really work the full body and you will see how strong your core is when doing it.
What kind of weight should I start with?!0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »OHS is another thing I keep thinking about and not doing. I've got squat day tomorrow and WILL do them!!!
Will try jerk and snatch on Sunday. I'll be YouTubeing videos first!
Some call OHS the king of exercises as it can really work the full body and you will see how strong your core is when doing it.
What kind of weight should I start with?!
A women's bar. The snatch is a highly technical move and there's a chance you'll end up on your *kitten* a few times trying it out.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »OHS is another thing I keep thinking about and not doing. I've got squat day tomorrow and WILL do them!!!
Will try jerk and snatch on Sunday. I'll be YouTubeing videos first!
Some call OHS the king of exercises as it can really work the full body and you will see how strong your core is when doing it.
What kind of weight should I start with?!
Do you do overhead squats ever? That might be a good starting point if you don't.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »OHS is another thing I keep thinking about and not doing. I've got squat day tomorrow and WILL do them!!!
Will try jerk and snatch on Sunday. I'll be YouTubeing videos first!
Some call OHS the king of exercises as it can really work the full body and you will see how strong your core is when doing it.
What kind of weight should I start with?!
A women's bar. The snatch is a highly technical move and there's a chance you'll end up on your *kitten* a few times trying it out.
Hahaha...I will keep that in mind. My gym has some preloaded straight bars starting at 20 lbs that go up in 10lb increments, so I could check those out.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »OHS is another thing I keep thinking about and not doing. I've got squat day tomorrow and WILL do them!!!
Will try jerk and snatch on Sunday. I'll be YouTubeing videos first!
Some call OHS the king of exercises as it can really work the full body and you will see how strong your core is when doing it.
What kind of weight should I start with?!
A women's bar. The snatch is a highly technical move and there's a chance you'll end up on your *kitten* a few times trying it out.
Hahaha...I will keep that in mind. My gym has some preloaded straight bars starting at 20 lbs that go up in 10lb increments, so I could check those out.
That wasn't a dig at women hahaha (obviously, since I am one). The women's bars tend to be 10 pounds lighter. The fixed bars would be a good starting weight. My first few sets were done with a broom handle, then one of those 5 pound weighted tubes for the aerobic classes. Took me several sessions to get the movement down and move to a regular bar. I'm also not super fast or mobile.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »OHS is another thing I keep thinking about and not doing. I've got squat day tomorrow and WILL do them!!!
Will try jerk and snatch on Sunday. I'll be YouTubeing videos first!
Some call OHS the king of exercises as it can really work the full body and you will see how strong your core is when doing it.
What kind of weight should I start with?!
A women's bar. The snatch is a highly technical move and there's a chance you'll end up on your *kitten* a few times trying it out.
Hahaha...I will keep that in mind. My gym has some preloaded straight bars starting at 20 lbs that go up in 10lb increments, so I could check those out.
That wasn't a dig at women hahaha (obviously, since I am one). The women's bars tend to be 10 pounds lighter. The fixed bars would be a good starting weight. My first few sets were done with a broom handle, then one of those 5 pound weighted tubes for the aerobic classes. Took me several sessions to get the movement down and move to a regular bar. I'm also not super fast or mobile.
I would recommend a broom handle or a fixed weight 10# curling bar to start as well. Almost all Olympic Lifters start with either empty bars or broom handles because it's more about technique for the first little while. I started with a bar then went to a broom handle (in my home because it was embarrassing but...) and worked my form and technique for about a month before going back to put some weight on it.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »OHS is another thing I keep thinking about and not doing. I've got squat day tomorrow and WILL do them!!!
Will try jerk and snatch on Sunday. I'll be YouTubeing videos first!
Some call OHS the king of exercises as it can really work the full body and you will see how strong your core is when doing it.
What kind of weight should I start with?!
A women's bar. The snatch is a highly technical move and there's a chance you'll end up on your *kitten* a few times trying it out.
Hahaha...I will keep that in mind. My gym has some preloaded straight bars starting at 20 lbs that go up in 10lb increments, so I could check those out.
Haha, I second starting OHS with a lighter bar. I landed on my *kitten* twice with the empty bar before admitting to myself I'd have to use something lighter. I have a wee mini bar my dad made me when I started (8.5 kg) I had to start off with that. You should add them, good fun
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BTW first rule is to lead with your hips like you are sitting in a chair. If you have balance issues you can try goblet squats as a training assist exercise and slowly move the dumbbell higher as you get more comfortable. But you only people with greater than normal balance and flexibility issues tend to need to go that drastic.
We all remember picking ourselves up after a bad OHS at the start! 0 -
Lol sorry to be the Debby Downer at the party, but can someone describe the idea of not training to failure for me? Maybe I missed it from earlier....
I just don't understand the concept of training in a rep "range". How will I know if I make any progress? Does that make sense? I always thought you were supposed to pick a specific # and target that. Not a range. 80-90% of the time I train to failure. I don't know how to "lessen" it so I don't now. I'm all confused. Even if I follwo icf 5x5 to a T, I will still end up training to failure0 -
No, you won't because the 5x5 is typically representative of 75-85% of your 1rm generally speaking. That way you're able to train sub max, while still making progress. You accumulate enough volume and intensity to cause adaptation, without draining yourself.
Think of it like this: Doing the least amount of work as possible, while still making progress. This way you ensure progression, and ample recovery. Training smarter, not harder.
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Lol sorry to be the Debby Downer at the party, but can someone describe the idea of not training to failure for me? Maybe I missed it from earlier....
I just don't understand the concept of training in a rep "range". How will I know if I make any progress? Does that make sense? I always thought you were supposed to pick a specific # and target that. Not a range. 80-90% of the time I train to failure. I don't know how to "lessen" it so I don't now. I'm all confused. Even if I follwo icf 5x5 to a T, I will still end up training to failure
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ask-the-muscle-prof-training-to-failure-helping-or-hurting-me.html
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Lol sorry to be the Debby Downer at the party, but can someone describe the idea of not training to failure for me? Maybe I missed it from earlier....
I just don't understand the concept of training in a rep "range". How will I know if I make any progress? Does that make sense? I always thought you were supposed to pick a specific # and target that. Not a range. 80-90% of the time I train to failure. I don't know how to "lessen" it so I don't now. I'm all confused. Even if I follwo icf 5x5 to a T, I will still end up training to failure
Here's a good article on it. (Ha, forgot to link, but it's the same that usmcmp posted.)
Are you doing a progressive 5x5 program or are you just lifting a particular weight as 5x5? I did stronglifts, and it prescribes that you start at a low weight and add 5lbs each day you do an exercise (10lbs for deads). When you fail 3 days in a row at an exercise, you deload 10% and work your way back up. The idea is that most days you don't work to failure, and then once you do you try to work past that point.
I don't train to failure, so definitely look to others' advice, but it doesn't seem optimal to always train to failure.0 -
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Lol sorry to be the Debby Downer at the party, but can someone describe the idea of not training to failure for me? Maybe I missed it from earlier....
I just don't understand the concept of training in a rep "range". How will I know if I make any progress? Does that make sense? I always thought you were supposed to pick a specific # and target that. Not a range. 80-90% of the time I train to failure. I don't know how to "lessen" it so I don't now. I'm all confused. Even if I follwo icf 5x5 to a T, I will still end up training to failure
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ask-the-muscle-prof-training-to-failure-helping-or-hurting-me.html
Nice read^^
On snatches, tried them twice. Almost fell over. Might do it again soon. I like watching people do it right. I cringe every time I see people at my gym being reckless with them.
Being reckless with a snatch is a good way to end up in emergency.
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Train smarter not harder. Maybe that's the thing I've been missing all along. I've been getting frustrated because all I ever hear is "you aren't working hard enough" to get past certain plateaus or weights. Maybe I need to be smarter. I will read that article0
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Train smarter not harder. Maybe that's the thing I've been missing all along. I've been getting frustrated because all I ever hear is "you aren't working hard enough" to get past certain plateaus or weights. Maybe I need to be smarter. I will read that article
Spinning your wheels will never work.
Last year I got stuck in my bench press no matter what I did...so I stopped benching. Took a month off and just did decline pushups instead. When I started benching again, I was able to keep increasing and eventually got up another 25 lbs.0 -
Train smarter not harder. Maybe that's the thing I've been missing all along. I've been getting frustrated because all I ever hear is "you aren't working hard enough" to get past certain plateaus or weights. Maybe I need to be smarter. I will read that article
Working hard is one thing but you need to understand your body and how it responds and adapts to the stress of working out. I made the same mistake when I started Power Lifting of always trying to push my 1RM each week until a coach took me under his wing and taught me how to do a proper periodization work out that pushed me then deloaded and pushed again.
It's amazing how your body responds when you understand just how to stress it to the max and then ease off the gas and come back up. I'm sure you will be happier with the results and you won't be overstressing your body once you learn how to train it better.0 -
Too much volume probably. Switch to a low rep cycle. And anyone actually look at your calorie count yet?0
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your gonna make it bro.0
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Hi guys
I'm doing some reading on training smarter, not harder. I was wondering how I should gauge the amount of weight I use? I'm reading all this stuff about 1 rep max / etc. But I dont know where to begin with my weights. One thing I have picked up while reading:
1. If you train to failure, don't do it until your last set on an exercise.
However, at this point, I am just totally lost on what to do. THis whole 75% of 1rep max, deloading, etc have all got my head in a spin.0
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