Fed Up Documentary
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GaleHawkins wrote: »SnuggleSmacks wrote: »eatmindfully wrote: »I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.
i would be curious what "data" you have that our society is somehow built around a sugar addiction, and what data you have about mentioned "sugar addiction"….
You don't think our society has a sugar addiction ?
no I don't…
society has an overeating/laziness problem…sugar has nothing to do with it.
I would argue that many people over eat in part because of the addiction to sugar.
When people sit and pound 8-12 sodas in a day they are doing it because they are craving that soda....they are craving that sugar.
I would say that at the end of the day it is still the person's fault because they are not strong enough to resist the addiction, but there is no doubt that it is in fact an addiction to sugar.
An addict will do anything in order to feed their addiction. If what you say is true, then sugar addicts would be stealing sweets from the store, stealing money to buy sweets, and digging sweets out of the trash. And it wouldn't be just certain sweets...it would be any sweets. People who claim to be addicted to sugar will put away an entire chocolate cake "because of their addiction" but turn down a carrot cake because it's not their favorite. They will eat a whole box of doughnuts, but have no problem saying no to a soda that, for example, is the store brand instead of a name brand.
It is not an addiction if it is selective.
With your logic then I was a sugar addict until two months ago because I would have eaten a whole carrot cake as fast as a chocolate cake.
Out of the trash?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »SnuggleSmacks wrote: »It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*
I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.
Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!
Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?
yes, I believe we are.
over consumption of calories leads to obesity….
you can get 100% of your diet from sugar, be in a deficit, and lose weight. Just google the twinkie diet….
there are no essential nutrients in sugar.
Lol. None? It serves no benefit?
What benefit to your body does refined sugar have ?
Destroys your liver and teeth.
A quick source of energy?
Getting fat adapted freed me from needing a quick source of energy so no more lack of sugar crashes to deal with.
I use to get that sugar crash often when I still drank soda all the time.0 -
Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
You're done debating this? Lol. You know who's done debating things? People who are wrong. People who are right don't say "I'm done debating this" out of frustration lol.0 -
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While I'm not one to dissuade links, it's also important to use credible sources.
I haven't seen an obese Thai yet.
We are talking refined sugar here.
Unfortunately we aren't even in the top 10 in countries that consume the most sugar.eatmindfully wrote: »I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.
i would be curious what "data" you have that our society is somehow built around a sugar addiction, and what data you have about mentioned "sugar addiction"….
You don't think our society has a sugar addiction ?
no I don't…
society has an overeating/laziness problem…sugar has nothing to do with it.
I would argue that many people over eat in part because of the addiction to sugar.
When people sit and pound 8-12 sodas in a day they are doing it because they are craving that soda....they are craving that sugar.
I would say that at the end of the day it is still the person's fault because they are not strong enough to resist the addiction, but there is no doubt that it is in fact an addiction to sugar.
So logically the top 10 countries that are "addicted" to sugar by consumption should also have higher obesity and health issues worse than the US. And guess what? They don't.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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I'm talking refined sugars.
Post me the article that shows 10 countries that consume more refined sugars than the US.
Not saying that it's impossible but I would think it's unlikely.
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-sugar-consumer-countries.html
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
That's not what I found...
And where does Brazil fall in the global obesity rankings?
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
http://www.burning-bison.com/obesity.htm
This from the link:
Source: Unknown, data drawn from WHO Non-Communicable Diseases Country Profiles, 2011
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
First of all, that link contradicts your other 'source'
"In 2012, around one in seven Brazilians were classed as obese. Globally, Brazil is far behind countries such as the United States and Mexico, where around a third of people are obese, but the concern is the rapid rate of weight gain. The country once vulnerable to malnutrition and the associated health impacts, such as impaired growth, is instead now vulnerable to obesity and resulting heart disease and diabetes. In 1975 just 19% of Brazilian men and 29% of Brazilian women were overweight: In 2014 those figures are now 54% and 48% respectively.""
Secondly, nice cherry picking
Thirdly, its a news article and does not show the food consumption statistics.
Fourthly, you actually probably did not cherry pick - you likely did not read the whole article - otherwise you would have used a different quote as access to processed foods =/= sugar consumption.
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Outside of getting tired I'm in a pretty good mood actually.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
You're done debating this? Lol. You know who's done debating things? People who are wrong. People who are right don't say "I'm done debating this" out of frustration lol.
It's an impasse. What's the point of going around and around and around ?
Obviously you have your opinions and I have mine.0 -
Outside of getting tired I'm in a pretty good mood actually.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
You're done debating this? Lol. You know who's done debating things? People who are wrong. People who are right don't say "I'm done debating this" out of frustration lol.
It's an impasse. What's the point of going around and around and around ?
Obviously you have your opinions and I have mine.
You mean we have our facts, and you have your opinions.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »SnuggleSmacks wrote: »It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*
I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.
Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!
Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?
yes, I believe we are.
over consumption of calories leads to obesity….
you can get 100% of your diet from sugar, be in a deficit, and lose weight. Just google the twinkie diet….
there are no essential nutrients in sugar.
Lol. None? It serves no benefit?
What benefit to your body does refined sugar have ?
Destroys your liver and teeth.
A quick source of energy?
Getting fat adapted freed me from needing a quick source of energy so no more lack of sugar crashes to deal with.
You do not quite get the concept of quick sources of energy for endurance sports or lifting.
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Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
First of all, that link contradicts your other 'source'
"In 2012, around one in seven Brazilians were classed as obese. Globally, Brazil is far behind countries such as the United States and Mexico, where around a third of people are obese, but the concern is the rapid rate of weight gain. The country once vulnerable to malnutrition and the associated health impacts, such as impaired growth, is instead now vulnerable to obesity and resulting heart disease and diabetes. In 1975 just 19% of Brazilian men and 29% of Brazilian women were overweight: In 2014 those figures are now 54% and 48% respectively.""
Secondly, nice cherry picking
Thirdly, its a news article and does not show the food consumption statistics.
Fourthly, you actually probably did not cherry pick - you likely did not read the whole article - otherwise you would have used a different quote as access to processed foods =/= sugar consumption.
I'm not sure why that article was published considering your suggestion that there is not an obesity issue in Brazil. Can you explain this to me before I go to bed ?0 -
SnuggleSmacks wrote: »
Outside of getting tired I'm in a pretty good mood actually.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
You're done debating this? Lol. You know who's done debating things? People who are wrong. People who are right don't say "I'm done debating this" out of frustration lol.
It's an impasse. What's the point of going around and around and around ?
Obviously you have your opinions and I have mine.
You mean we have our facts, and you have your opinions.
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Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
First of all, that link contradicts your other 'source'
"In 2012, around one in seven Brazilians were classed as obese. Globally, Brazil is far behind countries such as the United States and Mexico, where around a third of people are obese, but the concern is the rapid rate of weight gain. The country once vulnerable to malnutrition and the associated health impacts, such as impaired growth, is instead now vulnerable to obesity and resulting heart disease and diabetes. In 1975 just 19% of Brazilian men and 29% of Brazilian women were overweight: In 2014 those figures are now 54% and 48% respectively.""
Secondly, nice cherry picking
Thirdly, its a news article and does not show the food consumption statistics.
Fourthly, you actually probably did not cherry pick - you likely did not read the whole article - otherwise you would have used a different quote as access to processed foods =/= sugar consumption.
I'm not sure why that article was published considering your suggestion that there is not an obesity issue in Brazil. Can you explain this to me before I go to bed ?
Look at your chart, then read the article you posted.
Also, tell me where I said there was not one.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »SnuggleSmacks wrote: »It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*
I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.
Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!
Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?
yes, I believe we are.
over consumption of calories leads to obesity….
you can get 100% of your diet from sugar, be in a deficit, and lose weight. Just google the twinkie diet….
there are no essential nutrients in sugar.
Lol. None? It serves no benefit?
What benefit to your body does refined sugar have ?
Destroys your liver and teeth.
A quick source of energy?
Getting fat adapted freed me from needing a quick source of energy so no more lack of sugar crashes to deal with.
You do not quite get the concept of quick sources of energy for endurance sports or lifting.
So true.
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Agreed.
While I'm not one to dissuade links, it's also important to use credible sources.
I haven't seen an obese Thai yet.
We are talking refined sugar here.
Unfortunately we aren't even in the top 10 in countries that consume the most sugar.eatmindfully wrote: »I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.
i would be curious what "data" you have that our society is somehow built around a sugar addiction, and what data you have about mentioned "sugar addiction"….
You don't think our society has a sugar addiction ?
no I don't…
society has an overeating/laziness problem…sugar has nothing to do with it.
I would argue that many people over eat in part because of the addiction to sugar.
When people sit and pound 8-12 sodas in a day they are doing it because they are craving that soda....they are craving that sugar.
I would say that at the end of the day it is still the person's fault because they are not strong enough to resist the addiction, but there is no doubt that it is in fact an addiction to sugar.
So logically the top 10 countries that are "addicted" to sugar by consumption should also have higher obesity and health issues worse than the US. And guess what? They don't.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I'm talking refined sugars.
Post me the article that shows 10 countries that consume more refined sugars than the US.
Not saying that it's impossible but I would think it's unlikely.
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-sugar-consumer-countries.html
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
That's not what I found...
And where does Brazil fall in the global obesity rankings?
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
http://www.burning-bison.com/obesity.htm
This from the link:
Source: Unknown, data drawn from WHO Non-Communicable Diseases Country Profiles, 2011
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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I can agree with that. It's like using a poll for your basis of argument for a political debate. The truth of that poll depends on where in the country you're standing.
While I'm not one to dissuade links, it's also important to use credible sources.
I haven't seen an obese Thai yet.
We are talking refined sugar here.
Unfortunately we aren't even in the top 10 in countries that consume the most sugar.eatmindfully wrote: »I really don't like all the snark that's why I stay away from the forums. Stay positive and follow your own intuition and data about what makes you feel good. I started out on here 3 years ago eating a standard american diet. Now I'm a vegan and eat no processed foods or refined sugars and I feel so much better and my overall fitness has improved as well.
i would be curious what "data" you have that our society is somehow built around a sugar addiction, and what data you have about mentioned "sugar addiction"….
You don't think our society has a sugar addiction ?
no I don't…
society has an overeating/laziness problem…sugar has nothing to do with it.
I would argue that many people over eat in part because of the addiction to sugar.
When people sit and pound 8-12 sodas in a day they are doing it because they are craving that soda....they are craving that sugar.
I would say that at the end of the day it is still the person's fault because they are not strong enough to resist the addiction, but there is no doubt that it is in fact an addiction to sugar.
So logically the top 10 countries that are "addicted" to sugar by consumption should also have higher obesity and health issues worse than the US. And guess what? They don't.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I'm talking refined sugars.
Post me the article that shows 10 countries that consume more refined sugars than the US.
Not saying that it's impossible but I would think it's unlikely.
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-sugar-consumer-countries.html
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
That's not what I found...
And where does Brazil fall in the global obesity rankings?
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
http://www.burning-bison.com/obesity.htm
This from the link:
Source: Unknown, data drawn from WHO Non-Communicable Diseases Country Profiles, 2011
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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GaleHawkins wrote: »SnuggleSmacks wrote: »It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*
I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.
Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!
Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?
yes, I believe we are.
over consumption of calories leads to obesity….
you can get 100% of your diet from sugar, be in a deficit, and lose weight. Just google the twinkie diet….
there are no essential nutrients in sugar.
Lol. None? It serves no benefit?
What benefit to your body does refined sugar have ?
Destroys your liver and teeth.
A quick source of energy?
Getting fat adapted freed me from needing a quick source of energy so no more lack of sugar crashes to deal with.
I use to get that sugar crash often when I still drank soda all the time.
You will find some posting are sugar crash insensitive because they think it is normal which is a sign of a sugar addict.
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SnuggleSmacks wrote: »
Outside of getting tired I'm in a pretty good mood actually.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
You're done debating this? Lol. You know who's done debating things? People who are wrong. People who are right don't say "I'm done debating this" out of frustration lol.
It's an impasse. What's the point of going around and around and around ?
Obviously you have your opinions and I have mine.
You mean we have our facts, and you have your opinions.
Stole the words right from me ;-)0 -
Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
First of all, that link contradicts your other 'source'
"In 2012, around one in seven Brazilians were classed as obese. Globally, Brazil is far behind countries such as the United States and Mexico, where around a third of people are obese, but the concern is the rapid rate of weight gain. The country once vulnerable to malnutrition and the associated health impacts, such as impaired growth, is instead now vulnerable to obesity and resulting heart disease and diabetes. In 1975 just 19% of Brazilian men and 29% of Brazilian women were overweight: In 2014 those figures are now 54% and 48% respectively.""
Secondly, nice cherry picking
Thirdly, its a news article and does not show the food consumption statistics.
Fourthly, you actually probably did not cherry pick - you likely did not read the whole article - otherwise you would have used a different quote as access to processed foods =/= sugar consumption.
I'm not sure why that article was published considering your suggestion that there is not an obesity issue in Brazil. Can you explain this to me before I go to bed ?
Look at your chart, then read the article you posted.
Also, tell me where I said there was not one.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
You were suggesting that there was no epidemic in Brazil.
When I think of processed food the first thing I think of is cereal... and what is most kids cereal packed with ?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SnuggleSmacks wrote: »It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*
I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.
Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!
Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?
yes, I believe we are.
over consumption of calories leads to obesity….
you can get 100% of your diet from sugar, be in a deficit, and lose weight. Just google the twinkie diet….
there are no essential nutrients in sugar.
Lol. None? It serves no benefit?
What benefit to your body does refined sugar have ?
Destroys your liver and teeth.
A quick source of energy?
Getting fat adapted freed me from needing a quick source of energy so no more lack of sugar crashes to deal with.
I use to get that sugar crash often when I still drank soda all the time.
You will find some posting are sugar crash insensitive because they think it is normal which is a sign of a sugar addict.
I eat sugar. Often. I don't get a sugar crash unless I haven't had enough protein, and I'm hypoglycemic.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SnuggleSmacks wrote: »It's really sad to me that all these so-called "documentaries" and theories which point to an outside source (carbs, sugar, processed foods, meat, etc.) and blames that source for weight gain gets so many followers who are ready to embrace a crutch rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions. *sigh*
I agree with your point about blaming others...but your argument is like saying there is nothing wrong with heroin, and in fact it should be legal so people, who can moderate their heroin usage, can do so at their leisure.
Are you REALLY comparing heroin to sugar, and are you suggesting that sugar should be illegal because people can't control themselves around it? The absurdity!
Are you trying to argue that there's nothing wrong with sugar ?
yes, I believe we are.
over consumption of calories leads to obesity….
you can get 100% of your diet from sugar, be in a deficit, and lose weight. Just google the twinkie diet….
there are no essential nutrients in sugar.
Lol. None? It serves no benefit?
What benefit to your body does refined sugar have ?
Destroys your liver and teeth.
A quick source of energy?
Getting fat adapted freed me from needing a quick source of energy so no more lack of sugar crashes to deal with.
You do not quite get the concept of quick sources of energy for endurance sports or lifting.
So true.
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In the mid-1970s, only 2.8% of adult men and 7.8% of adult women in Brazil were obese. In 2008–2009, obesity prevalence was 12.5% among men and 16.9% among women. In addition to monitoring obesity prevalence trends, it is necessary to consider the proportion of over-weight individuals (body mass index between 25 and 30 kilograms per square metre [kg m−2]) in the population, which is 35.0% in Brazil’s adult population. Seventy-five million Brazilians have some degree of excess weight, including 5.7 million children aged 5.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/obr.12101/pdf
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Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
First of all, that link contradicts your other 'source'
"In 2012, around one in seven Brazilians were classed as obese. Globally, Brazil is far behind countries such as the United States and Mexico, where around a third of people are obese, but the concern is the rapid rate of weight gain. The country once vulnerable to malnutrition and the associated health impacts, such as impaired growth, is instead now vulnerable to obesity and resulting heart disease and diabetes. In 1975 just 19% of Brazilian men and 29% of Brazilian women were overweight: In 2014 those figures are now 54% and 48% respectively.""
Secondly, nice cherry picking
Thirdly, its a news article and does not show the food consumption statistics.
Fourthly, you actually probably did not cherry pick - you likely did not read the whole article - otherwise you would have used a different quote as access to processed foods =/= sugar consumption.
I'm not sure why that article was published considering your suggestion that there is not an obesity issue in Brazil. Can you explain this to me before I go to bed ?
Look at your chart, then read the article you posted.
Also, tell me where I said there was not one.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
You were suggesting that there was no epidemic in Brazil.
When I think of processed food the first thing I think of is cereal... and what is most kids cereal packed with ?
No I was not.
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Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
First of all, that link contradicts your other 'source'
"In 2012, around one in seven Brazilians were classed as obese. Globally, Brazil is far behind countries such as the United States and Mexico, where around a third of people are obese, but the concern is the rapid rate of weight gain. The country once vulnerable to malnutrition and the associated health impacts, such as impaired growth, is instead now vulnerable to obesity and resulting heart disease and diabetes. In 1975 just 19% of Brazilian men and 29% of Brazilian women were overweight: In 2014 those figures are now 54% and 48% respectively.""
Secondly, nice cherry picking
Thirdly, its a news article and does not show the food consumption statistics.
Fourthly, you actually probably did not cherry pick - you likely did not read the whole article - otherwise you would have used a different quote as access to processed foods =/= sugar consumption.
I'm not sure why that article was published considering your suggestion that there is not an obesity issue in Brazil. Can you explain this to me before I go to bed ?
Look at your chart, then read the article you posted.
Also, tell me where I said there was not one.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
You were suggesting that there was no epidemic in Brazil.
When I think of processed food the first thing I think of is cereal... and what is most kids cereal packed with ?
No I was not.
Yeah, ok.
If many processed foods are high in refined sugars, and the obesity spike is linked to access to processed food then what would a person with common sense say about excessive refined sugar consumption ?
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Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
First of all, that link contradicts your other 'source'
"In 2012, around one in seven Brazilians were classed as obese. Globally, Brazil is far behind countries such as the United States and Mexico, where around a third of people are obese, but the concern is the rapid rate of weight gain. The country once vulnerable to malnutrition and the associated health impacts, such as impaired growth, is instead now vulnerable to obesity and resulting heart disease and diabetes. In 1975 just 19% of Brazilian men and 29% of Brazilian women were overweight: In 2014 those figures are now 54% and 48% respectively.""
Secondly, nice cherry picking
Thirdly, its a news article and does not show the food consumption statistics.
Fourthly, you actually probably did not cherry pick - you likely did not read the whole article - otherwise you would have used a different quote as access to processed foods =/= sugar consumption.
I'm not sure why that article was published considering your suggestion that there is not an obesity issue in Brazil. Can you explain this to me before I go to bed ?
Look at your chart, then read the article you posted.
Also, tell me where I said there was not one.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
You were suggesting that there was no epidemic in Brazil.
When I think of processed food the first thing I think of is cereal... and what is most kids cereal packed with ?
No I was not.
Yeah, ok.
If many processed foods are high in refined sugars, and the obesity spike is linked to access to processed food then what would a person with common sense say about excessive refined sugar consumption ?
What most people cut when they cut out processed foods is white bread, rice, and pasta. Also, frozen or packaged meals. Those things make up the bulk of "processed foods" that people buy.0 -
Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
First of all, that link contradicts your other 'source'
"In 2012, around one in seven Brazilians were classed as obese. Globally, Brazil is far behind countries such as the United States and Mexico, where around a third of people are obese, but the concern is the rapid rate of weight gain. The country once vulnerable to malnutrition and the associated health impacts, such as impaired growth, is instead now vulnerable to obesity and resulting heart disease and diabetes. In 1975 just 19% of Brazilian men and 29% of Brazilian women were overweight: In 2014 those figures are now 54% and 48% respectively.""
Secondly, nice cherry picking
Thirdly, its a news article and does not show the food consumption statistics.
Fourthly, you actually probably did not cherry pick - you likely did not read the whole article - otherwise you would have used a different quote as access to processed foods =/= sugar consumption.
I'm not sure why that article was published considering your suggestion that there is not an obesity issue in Brazil. Can you explain this to me before I go to bed ?
Look at your chart, then read the article you posted.
Also, tell me where I said there was not one.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
You were suggesting that there was no epidemic in Brazil.
When I think of processed food the first thing I think of is cereal... and what is most kids cereal packed with ?
No I was not.
Yeah, ok.
If many processed foods are high in refined sugars, and the obesity spike is linked to access to processed food then what would a person with common sense say about excessive refined sugar consumption ?
Please refer to my other comment re the fact that there are no stats shown or linked.
Also, you realize that processed foods are also often high in fats and non-refined sugar carbs right?
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I think we had a premature "BOOM".
I wonder where that goes on the bingo card.0 -
Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
First of all, that link contradicts your other 'source'
"In 2012, around one in seven Brazilians were classed as obese. Globally, Brazil is far behind countries such as the United States and Mexico, where around a third of people are obese, but the concern is the rapid rate of weight gain. The country once vulnerable to malnutrition and the associated health impacts, such as impaired growth, is instead now vulnerable to obesity and resulting heart disease and diabetes. In 1975 just 19% of Brazilian men and 29% of Brazilian women were overweight: In 2014 those figures are now 54% and 48% respectively.""
Secondly, nice cherry picking
Thirdly, its a news article and does not show the food consumption statistics.
Fourthly, you actually probably did not cherry pick - you likely did not read the whole article - otherwise you would have used a different quote as access to processed foods =/= sugar consumption.
I'm not sure why that article was published considering your suggestion that there is not an obesity issue in Brazil. Can you explain this to me before I go to bed ?
Look at your chart, then read the article you posted.
Also, tell me where I said there was not one.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
You were suggesting that there was no epidemic in Brazil.
When I think of processed food the first thing I think of is cereal... and what is most kids cereal packed with ?
No I was not.
Yeah, ok.
If many processed foods are high in refined sugars, and the obesity spike is linked to access to processed food then what would a person with common sense say about excessive refined sugar consumption ?
Please refer to my other comment re the fact that there are no stats shown or linked.
Also, you realize that processed foods are also often high in fats and non-refined sugar carbs right?
These people are getting fat because they're drinking all of these sugary drinks and eating all of those crappy foods. Why can't you just admit that ?
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Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/health/beating-the-bulge-brazil-obesity/
What's it say in the black text box on the cover picture ?
I'll tell you..."access to processed foods".
I'm done debating this by the way. You believe what you want and I will do the same.
First of all, that link contradicts your other 'source'
"In 2012, around one in seven Brazilians were classed as obese. Globally, Brazil is far behind countries such as the United States and Mexico, where around a third of people are obese, but the concern is the rapid rate of weight gain. The country once vulnerable to malnutrition and the associated health impacts, such as impaired growth, is instead now vulnerable to obesity and resulting heart disease and diabetes. In 1975 just 19% of Brazilian men and 29% of Brazilian women were overweight: In 2014 those figures are now 54% and 48% respectively.""
Secondly, nice cherry picking
Thirdly, its a news article and does not show the food consumption statistics.
Fourthly, you actually probably did not cherry pick - you likely did not read the whole article - otherwise you would have used a different quote as access to processed foods =/= sugar consumption.
I'm not sure why that article was published considering your suggestion that there is not an obesity issue in Brazil. Can you explain this to me before I go to bed ?
Look at your chart, then read the article you posted.
Also, tell me where I said there was not one.Wait...what happened to the insulin response and how sugar is responsible for the obesity 'epidemic' in Thailand and Brazil?
You were suggesting that there was no epidemic in Brazil.
When I think of processed food the first thing I think of is cereal... and what is most kids cereal packed with ?
No I was not.
Yeah, ok.
If many processed foods are high in refined sugars, and the obesity spike is linked to access to processed food then what would a person with common sense say about excessive refined sugar consumption ?
Please refer to my other comment re the fact that there are no stats shown or linked.
Also, you realize that processed foods are also often high in fats and non-refined sugar carbs right?
These people are getting fat because they're drinking all of these sugary drinks and eating all of those crappy foods. Why can't you just admit that ?
Because I have not seen anything to show that - just you guessing.
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