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marathon23 wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »What would you call it?
Fear Mongering.
Maybe fear mongering for those who aren't capable of watching something and determining what is the important take away from the the information given. If you are a logical person and can riffle through facts and emotional lead ons, then you will be fine and not fall prey to "fear mongering".
... Says the person who fell prey to fear mongering.0 -
futuresize8 wrote: »The amount of sugar (and preservatives) in processed food may be startling. But even before this revelation, many, many years ago, I was in college with a girl who had a relative who was a food inspector. Learning that there are percentages of rodent feces and hair and bug parts that are in an "acceptable range" really put me off processed stuff. And, once I inquired to a major food label about what "natural flavoring" meant (I wanted to make sure that what I was ingesting was vegetarian) and they were unable to tell me. This was in writing. So............................sugar ain't the only thang to get worked up about, if you're looking for something to get worked up about, that is...
Why, pray tell, do you think there isn't rodent feces, insect parts, etc. in unprocessed food? Do you think the rats are trained to not *kitten* until food is processed?0 -
In for ensuing gifs, sugar is the devil, and toxic baking soda.0
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OP- I am glad something inspired you to think about your health! Thanks for the suggestion!-1
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I'm just going to leave these here:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10027376/fed-up-documentary/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10003894/fed-up-the-documentary-know-more-about-food/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1464870/have-you-seen-fed-up-the-documentary/p1
That's just from page one of the search function. This topic has been discussed ad nauseam.0 -
marathon23 wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »What would you call it?
Fear Mongering.
Maybe fear mongering for those who aren't capable of watching something and determining what is the important take away from the the information given. If you are a logical person and can riffle through facts and emotional lead ons, then you will be fine and not fall prey to "fear mongering".
I'm with you in the idea that most of us can throw away the silly sensationalized stuff and consider any new information being presented. I don't want to turn this into a Dr. Oz thread but same for his show. Yes there is crap. Occasionally, an annoyingly large amount of crap. But not everything's crap. The promo for "Fed Up" says "Everything we've been told about food and exercise for the past 30 years is dead wrong." I have to say that doesn't entice me to watch it. That level of exaggeration means to me it may be difficult to pick out the stuff I want to consider.
I went to the "Facts" section of the website http://fedupmovie.com/#/page/about-the-issue?scrollTo=facts, and it seems reasonable, but couldn't find any information I can use in my own efforts to get slim and fit. I am not a soda drinker, and I already knew that sugar makes stuff tastes good so gets slipped into a lot of "processed foods". And my mother-in-law's turnips and carrots.
Marathon23, or anyone else who has seen this, what specifically was your takeaway? What, besides sugar content, has turned you off processed foods?0 -
Thanks OP. I appreciate your post!0
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goldthistime wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »What would you call it?
Fear Mongering.
Maybe fear mongering for those who aren't capable of watching something and determining what is the important take away from the the information given. If you are a logical person and can riffle through facts and emotional lead ons, then you will be fine and not fall prey to "fear mongering".
I'm with you in the idea that most of us can throw away the silly sensationalized stuff and consider any new information being presented. I don't want to turn this into a Dr. Oz thread but same for his show. Yes there is crap. Occasionally, an annoyingly large amount of crap. But not everything's crap. The promo for "Fed Up" says "Everything we've been told about food and exercise for the past 30 years is dead wrong." I have to say that doesn't entice me to watch it. That level of exaggeration means to me it may be difficult to pick out the stuff I want to consider.
I went to the "Facts" section of the website http://fedupmovie.com/#/page/about-the-issue?scrollTo=facts, and it seems reasonable, but couldn't find any information I can use in my own efforts to get slim and fit. I am not a soda drinker, and I already knew that sugar makes stuff tastes good so gets slipped into a lot of "processed foods". And my mother-in-law's turnips and carrots.
Marathon23, or anyone else who has seen this, what specifically was your takeaway? What, besides sugar content, has turned you off processed foods?
hey.
I saw the documentary. Thought it was flawed in the first place, but not that bad overall, then it was explained to me several times what the issues with it are. Regardless, what I mostly took out of it (and there is a brilliant link somewhere addressing the issues with the film that also supports it) was that there is a load of education to do in terms of nutrition. The problem can't be solved with "cut all the fat" or "cut all the sugar", because that just leads to situations like in the movie (Which I really have to wonder if they were real or set up for dramatic effect) with obese kids trying to lose weight but still gorging on chips and fries.
Either that, or people starving themselves and eating only carrots because they think it's the only way to lose weight, thus being unable to maintain.0 -
marathon23 wrote: »Couric covers the ridiculous amounts of sugar that is added to processed foods and goes over some alarming statistics. I already knew processed foods aren't healthy, but this documentary was very interesting and extremely motivational.
Funny, I quite often have oatmeal or smoked salmon for breakfast. Both are processed, of course. The oatmeal has no sugar added (guess those processors were sleeping on the job!) and while I'm sure the smoked salmon had a bit of sugar used in the process it's not a meaningful amount IMO. Would be a foolish reason for me to stop eating what I think is a healthy and helpful food, even if Katie Couric tells me to!
I also don't agree that yogurt, which you can easily get with no sugar added, and which often just has fruit added (which I might add myself if I didn't get the flavored kind) is unhealthy.
These scare tactics are idiotic.
Rather than generalizing about all processed foods when they vary immensely, why not read labels and decide what you care about?0 -
sheldonklein wrote: »futuresize8 wrote: »The amount of sugar (and preservatives) in processed food may be startling. But even before this revelation, many, many years ago, I was in college with a girl who had a relative who was a food inspector. Learning that there are percentages of rodent feces and hair and bug parts that are in an "acceptable range" really put me off processed stuff. And, once I inquired to a major food label about what "natural flavoring" meant (I wanted to make sure that what I was ingesting was vegetarian) and they were unable to tell me. This was in writing. So............................sugar ain't the only thang to get worked up about, if you're looking for something to get worked up about, that is...
Why, pray tell, do you think there isn't rodent feces, insect parts, etc. in unprocessed food? Do you think the rats are trained to not *kitten* until food is processed?
Farms are notoriously free of animals and insects, obvs.0 -
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marathon23 wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »What would you call it?
Fear Mongering.
Maybe fear mongering for those who aren't capable of watching something and determining what is the important take away from the the information given. If you are a logical person and can riffle through facts and emotional lead ons, then you will be fine and not fall prey to "fear mongering".
You're new here. It's cute.
You'll learn in time. Hopefully.
No need to be condescending. What will I learn? That every one here thinks exactly alike? I truly hope not. I was simply trying to share something that has motivated me this morning.
Honestly, it's not you but this documentary shows up here a lot and it never turns out pretty.0 -
I would call it populist fluff.
The Canada Food Guide suggests eating complex carbohydrates more often. That's a reasonable statement. Calling all refined foods toxic or worse is extreme and in error. It IMO, hurts the case for healthier eating by being so extreme.0 -
goldthistime wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »What would you call it?
Fear Mongering.
Maybe fear mongering for those who aren't capable of watching something and determining what is the important take away from the the information given. If you are a logical person and can riffle through facts and emotional lead ons, then you will be fine and not fall prey to "fear mongering".
I'm with you in the idea that most of us can throw away the silly sensationalized stuff and consider any new information being presented. I don't want to turn this into a Dr. Oz thread but same for his show. Yes there is crap. Occasionally, an annoyingly large amount of crap. But not everything's crap. The promo for "Fed Up" says "Everything we've been told about food and exercise for the past 30 years is dead wrong." I have to say that doesn't entice me to watch it. That level of exaggeration means to me it may be difficult to pick out the stuff I want to consider.
I went to the "Facts" section of the website http://fedupmovie.com/#/page/about-the-issue?scrollTo=facts, and it seems reasonable, but couldn't find any information I can use in my own efforts to get slim and fit. I am not a soda drinker, and I already knew that sugar makes stuff tastes good so gets slipped into a lot of "processed foods". And my mother-in-law's turnips and carrots.
Marathon23, or anyone else who has seen this, what specifically was your takeaway? What, besides sugar content, has turned you off processed foods?
Here, this will explain it all.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »What would you call it?
Fear Mongering.
Maybe fear mongering for those who aren't capable of watching something and determining what is the important take away from the the information given. If you are a logical person and can riffle through facts and emotional lead ons, then you will be fine and not fall prey to "fear mongering".
You're new here. It's cute.
You'll learn in time. Hopefully.
No need to be condescending. What will I learn? That every one here thinks exactly alike? I truly hope not. I was simply trying to share something that has motivated me this morning.
Honestly, it's not you but this documentary shows up here a lot and it never turns out pretty.
This. It's just been talked to death and all the arguments hashed out. Nothing personal.0 -
sheldonklein wrote: »futuresize8 wrote: »The amount of sugar (and preservatives) in processed food may be startling. But even before this revelation, many, many years ago, I was in college with a girl who had a relative who was a food inspector. Learning that there are percentages of rodent feces and hair and bug parts that are in an "acceptable range" really put me off processed stuff. And, once I inquired to a major food label about what "natural flavoring" meant (I wanted to make sure that what I was ingesting was vegetarian) and they were unable to tell me. This was in writing. So............................sugar ain't the only thang to get worked up about, if you're looking for something to get worked up about, that is...
Why, pray tell, do you think there isn't rodent feces, insect parts, etc. in unprocessed food? Do you think the rats are trained to not *kitten* until food is processed?
Yep, there is an acceptable level for all of those things and more in any food product including farm fresh produce at the farmers market. Just because you don't see dead slugs, worms, and flies in it doesn't mean they aren't in there some where -- or least parts of them.0 -
goldthistime wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »marathon23 wrote: »What would you call it?
Fear Mongering.
Maybe fear mongering for those who aren't capable of watching something and determining what is the important take away from the the information given. If you are a logical person and can riffle through facts and emotional lead ons, then you will be fine and not fall prey to "fear mongering".
I'm with you in the idea that most of us can throw away the silly sensationalized stuff and consider any new information being presented. I don't want to turn this into a Dr. Oz thread but same for his show. Yes there is crap. Occasionally, an annoyingly large amount of crap. But not everything's crap. The promo for "Fed Up" says "Everything we've been told about food and exercise for the past 30 years is dead wrong." I have to say that doesn't entice me to watch it. That level of exaggeration means to me it may be difficult to pick out the stuff I want to consider.
I went to the "Facts" section of the website http://fedupmovie.com/#/page/about-the-issue?scrollTo=facts, and it seems reasonable, but couldn't find any information I can use in my own efforts to get slim and fit. I am not a soda drinker, and I already knew that sugar makes stuff tastes good so gets slipped into a lot of "processed foods". And my mother-in-law's turnips and carrots.
Marathon23, or anyone else who has seen this, what specifically was your takeaway? What, besides sugar content, has turned you off processed foods?
Not to mention that there is tons of fat, salt, artificial/natural flavours (they are the same except for the source of the extracts), preservatives, colours (plus certain processing techniques themselves) and more yet we only focus on sugar? Highly processed foods aren't the best but to say it's just one ingredient of many just misses the mark completely and makes it totally farcical.
That being said, have a cheeseburger and fries once in a while because something will kill you eventually.
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Wait, you mean the majority of the people who have been successful on here think alike? They know the science and actual logic? The horror!!!!!
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michellemybelll wrote: »
wow. you really are new here if you think these responses are mean. lol.marathon23 wrote: »Why am I surprised by the lack of social decency in comments found on the internet? You wouldn't speak to someone the way you have me in person...but yet here you are online.
Serious question here. Not being a jerk. Are newbies welcome on the forum? Or is it a "we like who's here screw the rest" vibe?
I've been using the app but am curious about the dynamics of the forum. Thanks in advance.
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"Wheelhouse15 wrote: »That being said, have a cheeseburger and fries once in a while because something will kill you eventually.
Speaking of burgers and fries, I think my irritation with the sugar paranoia reached its height when I was informed on one of these threads that people today are "addicted" (sigh) to McD's, because of the sugar.
Really?
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »That being said, have a cheeseburger and fries once in a while because something will kill you eventually.
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sassysniper wrote: »michellemybelll wrote: »
wow. you really are new here if you think these responses are mean. lol.marathon23 wrote: »Why am I surprised by the lack of social decency in comments found on the internet? You wouldn't speak to someone the way you have me in person...but yet here you are online.
Serious question here. Not being a jerk. Are newbies welcome on the forum? Or is it a "we like who's here screw the rest" vibe?
I've been using the app but am curious about the dynamics of the forum. Thanks in advance.
of course n00bz are welcome. it is wise, however, to do some searching in the forums for certain topics to become familiar with the general consensus in particular areas.
here's a cheat sheet on subject matter to avoid (please add to this, as i'm sure i'll miss something)
-fad diets
-detoxes and other means by with to rid your body of "toxins"
-calling any type of food "bad"
-"clean" eating
-gaining weight at a deficit
-gaining muscle at a deficit
-asking for relationship advice
-venting posts aimed at "meanies" and "bullies"
-discounting science and believing that "everyone is different"
-fear-mongering "documentaries"
-the belief that lifting makes women "bulky"
-diet/fat burning/metabolism boosting pills
-stopping eating at a certain time of day
-recipes that replace noodles, bread, or dough with vegetables like cauliflower
-belief that you can choose where to lose fat from
-thinking you're estimating your intake right but complaining that youre not losing
-using the word "loose" instead of "lose"
"fed up" is just "fat sick and nearly dead" without the annoying accents.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »"Wheelhouse15 wrote: »That being said, have a cheeseburger and fries once in a while because something will kill you eventually.
Speaking of burgers and fries, I think my irritation with the sugar paranoia reached its height when I was informed on one of these threads that people today are "addicted" (sigh) to McD's, because of the sugar.
Really?
What? Didn't they read my cheeseburger = sex post? SMH
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »That being said, have a cheeseburger and fries once in a while because something will kill you eventually.
Is that the quadruple bypass from the Heart Attack Grill?0 -
skullshank wrote: »sassysniper wrote: »michellemybelll wrote: »
wow. you really are new here if you think these responses are mean. lol.marathon23 wrote: »Why am I surprised by the lack of social decency in comments found on the internet? You wouldn't speak to someone the way you have me in person...but yet here you are online.
Serious question here. Not being a jerk. Are newbies welcome on the forum? Or is it a "we like who's here screw the rest" vibe?
I've been using the app but am curious about the dynamics of the forum. Thanks in advance.
of course n00bz are welcome. it is wise, however, to do some searching in the forums for certain topics to become familiar with the general consensus in particular areas.
"fed up" is just "fat sick and nearly dead" without the annoying accents.
I'm just reading and responding to already-started threads. Just wanted to check! Thanks for the welcome!
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Here the "2 cents" of somebody who avoid adding sugar.
Its not the sugar which is bad, its the amounts.
but to be honest. I was shocked of how many products in the US has sugar in it, which i was not used to at all.
Yogurt for example. The lowest amount of sugar in plain yogurt i could find is 6%
In Holland there is no sugar in yogurt. Only the ones with fruit in it and than only the natural sugars.
I dont add sugar to anything and very rare a sweetener. Still sugar isn't "bad" just like all the other food isn't good or bad. Its the amounts we consume of it that makes it bad.
I choose for a couple of reasons for no added sugar in my life style. So this means i eat normally fruit etc and all the sugar that is naturally in certain food.
I see the "fear factor" in indeed tabloid journalism. But awareness of what you eat would be very good.0 -
New people are fantastic. However, a lot of us on the boards have a very factual, sometimes brusque demeanor when it comes to science. We believe that scientific facts should be stated clearly, without a lot of "fluff." Some people like to perceive that as rude or a personal attack. It's not. We know that not everyone has the same level of education or knowledge. It's why we make points to correct people who post misinformation. Most of the time it's a matter of pure ignorance, a poster repeats something they were told without knowing better, they get corrected, they learn, everyone wins.sassysniper wrote: »michellemybelll wrote: »
wow. you really are new here if you think these responses are mean. lol.marathon23 wrote: »Why am I surprised by the lack of social decency in comments found on the internet? You wouldn't speak to someone the way you have me in person...but yet here you are online.
Serious question here. Not being a jerk. Are newbies welcome on the forum? Or is it a "we like who's here screw the rest" vibe?
I've been using the app but am curious about the dynamics of the forum. Thanks in advance.
Occasionally someone gets corrected that doesn't want to accept that their belief is incorrect (natural human reaction, nobody likes learning that something they thought was fact wasn't) and that's when you start to get the posts complaining about "mean people" "attacking" everyone for having a different opinion. So keep an open mind, expect to be called out if you make a claim, and be prepared to back up what you say. It's really all anyone asks. And if you can't back it up, just allow for the possibility that maybe your claim is incorrect. Can't tell you how many times I've changed my mind on certain topics around here, based on reason and evidence. I love to learn just as much as I love to teach.0 -
TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »Here the "2 cents" of somebody who avoid adding sugar.
Its not the sugar which is bad, its the amounts.
but to be honest. I was shocked of how many products in the US has sugar in it, which i was not used to at all.
Yogurt for example. The lowest amount of sugar in plain yogurt i could find is 6%
In Holland there is no sugar in yogurt. Only the ones with fruit in it and than only the natural sugars.
I dont add sugar to anything and very rare a sweetener. Still sugar isn't "bad" just like all the other food isn't good or bad. Its the amounts we consume of it that makes it bad.
I choose for a couple of reasons for no added sugar in my life style. So this means i eat normally fruit etc and all the sugar that is naturally in certain food.
I see the "fear factor" in indeed tabloid journalism. But awareness of what you eat would be very good.
Sugar and salt get added to a lot of products because highly processed foods tend to be very bland. Salt and sugar balance off one and other and add some body and flavor back to the food as well as add valuable weight for very low cost. So in the end there is a lot of sugar where you wouldn't expect it and that's unfortunate and also makes it an easy target for propaganda as we can see.
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