carbs are my enemy
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prettykitty1515 wrote: »
Gale, with all due respect, the above statement is misinformation. CICO is the only qualifying factor to weight loss, because if you don't eat less than you burn you will not lose weight. Any other factors have to do with personal preferences or medical conditions that need to be addressed.GaleHawkins wrote: »
Weight loss is a LOT more than CICO which is one important factor of weight loss...rachylouise87 wrote: »i am 27 3 kids under 5 go to work, still workout try to eat well but sometimes let food choices get in the way. its not an excuse but when pushed to your limits and your tired. me personally i grab the wrong foods. i hadnt yet learnt that for me i cant eat what i want or the types of foods i want. now my work friend she gorges on mcdonalds every sunday and is as thin as a stick. then i have to keep reminding myself she is thin but unhealthy. but it would be nice to have a thin toned body but also a healthy heart.
i had issues before the babies but the babies made it worse since dieting when pregnant is not an option and working out was hard on my body ( i had severe pelvic pain)
can i just add, since dropping the carb level to 90 increasing fat to 53 and protein to 90 i feel great today, not bloated, better food choices, more water and managed to do my 30 day shred without almost crying!!
So in other words, all the people that claim they are losing weight when they cut out junk carbs and sugar, but are still eating a similar amount of calories, are delusional or don't know how to count?
Yes. (Barring any medical condition)
They might think they are eating the same amount..but if they are losing more, they are in a deficit that they were lacking before. I find that most people who claim they lose by only switching the 'bad' foods for 'good' foods..arent weighing or measuring what they're eating. If they were, they would notice the trend of lower calories = more weight loss.0 -
A couple studies came through my radar:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140917151935.htm
"For the first eight weeks, all the participants ate a traditional high-fiber East Asian diet with 70% of calories from carbohydrates, 15% from protein and 15% from fat, and providing 15 g fiber/1,000 kcal."
"For the second eight weeks, 33 of the volunteers (20 Asian Americans and 13 Caucasian Americans) transitioned to a typical low-fiber western diet with 50% of calories from carbohydrates, 16% from protein and 34% from fat, and providing 6 g fiber/1,000 kcal."
Maintaining those steady body weights for trial participants was a challenge, King remarks. "It was almost impossible to prevent people from losing weight on the Asian diet, and that was not because the food wasn't good!" he says. "And almost everybody gained weight on the western diet, and we had to work very hard so they didn't gain too much."
On the 70% carbohydrate diet they were dropping weight too fast!
The study: TAD=Traditional Asian Diet TWD=Traditional Western Diet
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0106851
"The combination of high fiber and low fat composition in TAD may also improve insulin sensitivity, since a high fiber diet has been reported to decrease glucose absorption, improve insulin response and glycemic control [30], [31]. The lower fat content of TAD than TWD further improves insulin sensitivity by lowering free fatty acids, which are known to induce insulin resistance by inhibiting insulin metabolic signaling pathways [32]."
http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2014/12/vegan-ma-pi-diet-bests-conventional.html
High-carb vegan ma-pi diet best conventional treatment for diabetes in recent RCT. The obese diabetics in this study followed a high carb low fat diet and their fasting glucose dropped to normal range, while consuming 300 grams of carbs a day0 -
I think a lot of low carbers confuse the idea of volume of food with calories consumed when talking "similarity". A big pile of broccoli is much less calorically dense than a big pile of rice, and ... oh, were you thinking you're eating the same because it's the same volume? Fat, even if you're eating more than you had previously, is self-limiting because it's satiating.
I think another factor at play is that a lot of people forget just how much we tend to overeat carb portions in the first place when the switch to low carbing. Real servings of rice and pasta are tiny. What had passed for a serving in what you had been eating in your diet prior to low carbing likely contained many, many calories. Switching those calories to lean meat, some fat, and low carb veggies is still going to result in ... tada! less calories.0 -
To achieve weight loss you need to be in a calorie deficit for the requisite period of time within which to achieve your goal. (Yes, I know, ground breaking stuff right here.)
The art is how to achieve that calorie deficit in a real world scenario without driving yourself absolutely bonkers. We therefore use the tools or combination of tools which suits us best.
That maybe calorie counting. Or Paleo. Or lower carb. Or low carb. Or mindful eating. Or high fat. Or calorie counting mixed with Paleo. Or Low carb mixed with mindful eating. Or...well, you get my point.
Employ the strategies you like. Experiment. If something doesn't work throw it out. Know you have the freedom and flexibility in dieting that you never have to do anything but be in a deficit. How you achieve that is down to you.
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I didn't eat carbs one day and lost weight. Pretty elementary. Ok, carry on.
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Carbs are my friend.0
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »prettykitty1515 wrote: »
Gale, with all due respect, the above statement is misinformation. CICO is the only qualifying factor to weight loss, because if you don't eat less than you burn you will not lose weight. Any other factors have to do with personal preferences or medical conditions that need to be addressed.GaleHawkins wrote: »
Weight loss is a LOT more than CICO which is one important factor of weight loss...rachylouise87 wrote: »i am 27 3 kids under 5 go to work, still workout try to eat well but sometimes let food choices get in the way. its not an excuse but when pushed to your limits and your tired. me personally i grab the wrong foods. i hadnt yet learnt that for me i cant eat what i want or the types of foods i want. now my work friend she gorges on mcdonalds every sunday and is as thin as a stick. then i have to keep reminding myself she is thin but unhealthy. but it would be nice to have a thin toned body but also a healthy heart.
i had issues before the babies but the babies made it worse since dieting when pregnant is not an option and working out was hard on my body ( i had severe pelvic pain)
can i just add, since dropping the carb level to 90 increasing fat to 53 and protein to 90 i feel great today, not bloated, better food choices, more water and managed to do my 30 day shred without almost crying!!
So in other words, all the people that claim they are losing weight when they cut out junk carbs and sugar, but are still eating a similar amount of calories, are delusional or don't know how to count?
I think the message from these people is that by cutting out the - less nutrient rich carbs - from their diets, it helped them get into a calorie deficit and thus have lost weight.
I wouldn't say delusional. I would say too dogmatic to think it could be any other reason. The fact remains, if you are losing you are in an energy deficit, period end of story. Some styles of eating make it easier for the individual to achieve an energy deficit, but in the end, it is the energy deficit that causes the weight loss...0 -
well i am staying within 1200 calories 90g of protein, 90g of carbs even though im ususally at 60-70 and 53g of fat per day all in deficit all seem to be working, i have no bloating im not feeling lethargic, im eating more carb friendly veggies and i can even have a shot of jim beam now and again for 65 calories and 0 carbs as its distilled. working out no longer feels like a chore and my sports bra was even loose on the shoulders this morning. i dont feel hungry and for once i feel happy, energetic and my IBS is under control
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rachylouise87 wrote: »well i am staying within 1200 calories 90g of protein, 90g of carbs even though im ususally at 60-70 and 53g of fat per day all in deficit all seem to be working, i have no bloating im not feeling lethargic, im eating more carb friendly veggies and i can even have a shot of jim beam now and again for 65 calories and 0 carbs as its distilled. working out no longer feels like a chore and my sports bra was even loose on the shoulders this morning. i dont feel hungry and for once i feel happy, energetic and my IBS is under control
Awesome!
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Some of it is bull or broscience, but I do eat about 5% of my calories from carbs and eat plenty of vegetables. They're my only source of carbs. It's totally possible.GaleHawkins wrote: »rachylouise87 wrote: »i think i found the problem to my weight loss stalls, carbs... slowly been creeping in again even though i am keeping the calories down i seem to have a problem with crisps, potatoes,pizza,chips, pasta rice etc when i cut it out the weight comes off. surely this cant be a coincidence?
As you can see you are not alone in finding carbs are the sneaky calories.
I can over eat by a 1000 calories a day and if they are carbs it is bad news at weight-in since they become glucose. Protein is so so because about half of them become glucose and Fats just do not seem to add much if any to my short term weight gain since they do not go to glucose in any meaningful way it seems inside of MY body. A professional body builder that is burning off the glucose may see no weight gain like I do.
After being glucose fueled for over 60 years I had to go very low carb (<50 grams daily) a few month ago to drop my weight it seemed below my 220-250 years of yo yoing range. 220 was like a stone wall over and over until I became mainly fueled by ketones instead of glucose that killed the carb craving when only doing 5% carbs. If I did not cold turkey carbs they would in a short time become 30-50 of my diet again in my personal case.
adowe makes a good point about how we will cut calories if we cut carbs in most cases. This is the reason many on very low carb diets just count carbs vs calories because with Sweet Tooth pulled and the carb craving gone we do not tend to overeat on just Fats and Protein.
This may just be me but if I eat something with even a few grams of sugar now I can fire up the carb craving.
Young active healthy people can get away with murder when it comes to your diets. Get to social security age and we often get thrown in jail for just 'J Walking' (not crossing the street where the traffic signal is located). At 20 anything goes, at 40 not as much but at 60+ my diet is critical to what I weigh and how I feel.
Yes for some of us it is very easy to get burned if we play with Carbs.
Yes I had problems abusing carbs when I was younger too but got away with for a while. At my age my suggestion would be to you that are still on the young side is to try to deal with carb craving now so you are not a health wreck down the road. Carb cravings only get WORSE with time.
OP, just ignore the above^^^
50% of protein does not turn into glucose
Young people can't get away with murder just because they are you. He's just trying to play the "Old man" card. Just nonsense.
And there is no way he is eating under 5% carbs. That's pretty much no fruits or vegetables either.
Plus, he uses a fake profile to pass as himself.
I no longer have any sugar or simple carbohydrate cravings. I can look at pasta and bread and cupcakes and cookies and just walk away. Has really changed my life.
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rdigiovine wrote: »
Some of it is bull or broscience, but I do eat about 5% of my calories from carbs and eat plenty of vegetables. They're my only source of carbs. It's totally possible.GaleHawkins wrote: »rachylouise87 wrote: »i think i found the problem to my weight loss stalls, carbs... slowly been creeping in again even though i am keeping the calories down i seem to have a problem with crisps, potatoes,pizza,chips, pasta rice etc when i cut it out the weight comes off. surely this cant be a coincidence?
As you can see you are not alone in finding carbs are the sneaky calories.
I can over eat by a 1000 calories a day and if they are carbs it is bad news at weight-in since they become glucose. Protein is so so because about half of them become glucose and Fats just do not seem to add much if any to my short term weight gain since they do not go to glucose in any meaningful way it seems inside of MY body. A professional body builder that is burning off the glucose may see no weight gain like I do.
After being glucose fueled for over 60 years I had to go very low carb (<50 grams daily) a few month ago to drop my weight it seemed below my 220-250 years of yo yoing range. 220 was like a stone wall over and over until I became mainly fueled by ketones instead of glucose that killed the carb craving when only doing 5% carbs. If I did not cold turkey carbs they would in a short time become 30-50 of my diet again in my personal case.
adowe makes a good point about how we will cut calories if we cut carbs in most cases. This is the reason many on very low carb diets just count carbs vs calories because with Sweet Tooth pulled and the carb craving gone we do not tend to overeat on just Fats and Protein.
This may just be me but if I eat something with even a few grams of sugar now I can fire up the carb craving.
Young active healthy people can get away with murder when it comes to your diets. Get to social security age and we often get thrown in jail for just 'J Walking' (not crossing the street where the traffic signal is located). At 20 anything goes, at 40 not as much but at 60+ my diet is critical to what I weigh and how I feel.
Yes for some of us it is very easy to get burned if we play with Carbs.
Yes I had problems abusing carbs when I was younger too but got away with for a while. At my age my suggestion would be to you that are still on the young side is to try to deal with carb craving now so you are not a health wreck down the road. Carb cravings only get WORSE with time.
OP, just ignore the above^^^
50% of protein does not turn into glucose
Young people can't get away with murder just because they are you. He's just trying to play the "Old man" card. Just nonsense.
And there is no way he is eating under 5% carbs. That's pretty much no fruits or vegetables either.
Plus, he uses a fake profile to pass as himself.
I no longer have any sugar or simple carbohydrate cravings. I can look at pasta and bread and cupcakes and cookies and just walk away. Has really changed my life.
I missed that. I also eat 5% carbs on average. Occasionally I will have a day higher or lower but I'm at 5% most of the time.
Ditto to the no carb cravings. I make pasta, potatoes, rice, cupcakes, cookies, etc. for my boyfriend and daughter and don't bat an eye while they eat it.0 -
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Initial, yes, but after that, you should be using fat -- if you're eating enough protein to spare your muscle.blktngldhrt wrote: »jenjay8045 wrote: »jenjay8045 wrote: »Just putting this out there...If you do a low carb lifestyle, eventually you will run out of this "water weight" You cannot lose 85 pounds of "just" water weight in 6 months. How do I know???? Because I am living freaking proof! UGH. So tired of all these so called experts here....OP if LOw carb helps keep you balanced, do it and when you eat your carbs eat the good ones found in fres veggies and quality grains... Best of luck!
No kidding. No one has said that.
No they didnt say that specifically but several posts said the weight lost from low carb was just water weight. So my response was I have been doing low carb for roughly 6 months with occasional cheat meals and once in a while a complete all out carb fests. Yet I am still losing as soon as I eat on plan again.
The initial drop in weight from low carb is usually water weight.
I've been eating a ketogenic diet for 3+ months and am now losing fat. Yes, I'm also counting calories -- but I find it much easier to sustain a deficit with low carbs and enough fat.
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rdigiovine wrote: »
Some of it is bull or broscience, but I do eat about 5% of my calories from carbs and eat plenty of vegetables. They're my only source of carbs. It's totally possible.GaleHawkins wrote: »rachylouise87 wrote: »i think i found the problem to my weight loss stalls, carbs... slowly been creeping in again even though i am keeping the calories down i seem to have a problem with crisps, potatoes,pizza,chips, pasta rice etc when i cut it out the weight comes off. surely this cant be a coincidence?
As you can see you are not alone in finding carbs are the sneaky calories.
I can over eat by a 1000 calories a day and if they are carbs it is bad news at weight-in since they become glucose. Protein is so so because about half of them become glucose and Fats just do not seem to add much if any to my short term weight gain since they do not go to glucose in any meaningful way it seems inside of MY body. A professional body builder that is burning off the glucose may see no weight gain like I do.
After being glucose fueled for over 60 years I had to go very low carb (<50 grams daily) a few month ago to drop my weight it seemed below my 220-250 years of yo yoing range. 220 was like a stone wall over and over until I became mainly fueled by ketones instead of glucose that killed the carb craving when only doing 5% carbs. If I did not cold turkey carbs they would in a short time become 30-50 of my diet again in my personal case.
adowe makes a good point about how we will cut calories if we cut carbs in most cases. This is the reason many on very low carb diets just count carbs vs calories because with Sweet Tooth pulled and the carb craving gone we do not tend to overeat on just Fats and Protein.
This may just be me but if I eat something with even a few grams of sugar now I can fire up the carb craving.
Young active healthy people can get away with murder when it comes to your diets. Get to social security age and we often get thrown in jail for just 'J Walking' (not crossing the street where the traffic signal is located). At 20 anything goes, at 40 not as much but at 60+ my diet is critical to what I weigh and how I feel.
Yes for some of us it is very easy to get burned if we play with Carbs.
Yes I had problems abusing carbs when I was younger too but got away with for a while. At my age my suggestion would be to you that are still on the young side is to try to deal with carb craving now so you are not a health wreck down the road. Carb cravings only get WORSE with time.
OP, just ignore the above^^^
50% of protein does not turn into glucose
Young people can't get away with murder just because they are you. He's just trying to play the "Old man" card. Just nonsense.
And there is no way he is eating under 5% carbs. That's pretty much no fruits or vegetables either.
Plus, he uses a fake profile to pass as himself.
I no longer have any sugar or simple carbohydrate cravings. I can look at pasta and bread and cupcakes and cookies and just walk away. Has really changed my life.
Can I see an example of your days menu?
My diary is open.0 -
rdigiovine wrote: »
Initial, yes, but after that, you should be using fat -- if you're eating enough protein to spare your muscle.blktngldhrt wrote: »jenjay8045 wrote: »jenjay8045 wrote: »Just putting this out there...If you do a low carb lifestyle, eventually you will run out of this "water weight" You cannot lose 85 pounds of "just" water weight in 6 months. How do I know???? Because I am living freaking proof! UGH. So tired of all these so called experts here....OP if LOw carb helps keep you balanced, do it and when you eat your carbs eat the good ones found in fres veggies and quality grains... Best of luck!
No kidding. No one has said that.
No they didnt say that specifically but several posts said the weight lost from low carb was just water weight. So my response was I have been doing low carb for roughly 6 months with occasional cheat meals and once in a while a complete all out carb fests. Yet I am still losing as soon as I eat on plan again.
The initial drop in weight from low carb is usually water weight.
I've been eating a ketogenic diet for 3+ months and am now losing fat. Yes, I'm also counting calories -- but I find it much easier to sustain a deficit with low carbs and enough fat.
I know how it works....... I was explaining where the low carb water weight comments are coming from. No one said you only lose water weight on low carb...0 -
rdigiovine wrote: »
Some of it is bull or broscience, but I do eat about 5% of my calories from carbs and eat plenty of vegetables. They're my only source of carbs. It's totally possible.GaleHawkins wrote: »rachylouise87 wrote: »i think i found the problem to my weight loss stalls, carbs... slowly been creeping in again even though i am keeping the calories down i seem to have a problem with crisps, potatoes,pizza,chips, pasta rice etc when i cut it out the weight comes off. surely this cant be a coincidence?
As you can see you are not alone in finding carbs are the sneaky calories.
I can over eat by a 1000 calories a day and if they are carbs it is bad news at weight-in since they become glucose. Protein is so so because about half of them become glucose and Fats just do not seem to add much if any to my short term weight gain since they do not go to glucose in any meaningful way it seems inside of MY body. A professional body builder that is burning off the glucose may see no weight gain like I do.
After being glucose fueled for over 60 years I had to go very low carb (<50 grams daily) a few month ago to drop my weight it seemed below my 220-250 years of yo yoing range. 220 was like a stone wall over and over until I became mainly fueled by ketones instead of glucose that killed the carb craving when only doing 5% carbs. If I did not cold turkey carbs they would in a short time become 30-50 of my diet again in my personal case.
adowe makes a good point about how we will cut calories if we cut carbs in most cases. This is the reason many on very low carb diets just count carbs vs calories because with Sweet Tooth pulled and the carb craving gone we do not tend to overeat on just Fats and Protein.
This may just be me but if I eat something with even a few grams of sugar now I can fire up the carb craving.
Young active healthy people can get away with murder when it comes to your diets. Get to social security age and we often get thrown in jail for just 'J Walking' (not crossing the street where the traffic signal is located). At 20 anything goes, at 40 not as much but at 60+ my diet is critical to what I weigh and how I feel.
Yes for some of us it is very easy to get burned if we play with Carbs.
Yes I had problems abusing carbs when I was younger too but got away with for a while. At my age my suggestion would be to you that are still on the young side is to try to deal with carb craving now so you are not a health wreck down the road. Carb cravings only get WORSE with time.
OP, just ignore the above^^^
50% of protein does not turn into glucose
Young people can't get away with murder just because they are you. He's just trying to play the "Old man" card. Just nonsense.
And there is no way he is eating under 5% carbs. That's pretty much no fruits or vegetables either.
Plus, he uses a fake profile to pass as himself.
I no longer have any sugar or simple carbohydrate cravings. I can look at pasta and bread and cupcakes and cookies and just walk away. Has really changed my life.
Can I see an example of your days menu?
Sure, here's a good day:
Breakfast:
Generic - Mozzarella Cheese Stick, 2 stick
Coffee - Brewed from grounds, 1.5 cup (8 fl oz)
Lunch:
Generic - Raw Shredded Carrot, 0.1 cup (85 g)
Beets - Cooked, boiled, drained, 0.25 cup slices
Geisha - Sliced Water Chestnuts Natural, 1/4 c
Marie's - Creamy Ranch Dressing, 4 tbsp
Grilled Eggplant - Eggplant, 0.25 cup
Generic - Banana Peppers, Sliced, 6 slices (About 2 whole)
Generic - Mesclun Salad Greens, 1 cup
Dole - Chopped Romaine Salad, 1 cups
Scallions - Scallions, 3 Tablespoon
Avocados - Raw, 3 oz(s)
Homemade - Chicken Kebabs, 0.5 kebab
Dinner:
Egglands Best - Large Egg, 2 egg
Cheese - Monterey Jack, 1 oz(s)
Dairy Fresh - Sour Cream, 2 Tablespoons (30g)
Joseph's - Flax, Oat Bran, Wheat Flour Tortilla, 1 tortilla
Spinach - Raw, 1 cup
Supplements:
Mio - Cherry Blackberry, 1 tsp
Morton - Lite Salt Mixture 50% Less Sodium, 1/2 tsp
Kirkland Magnesium Citrate, 2
Edited to add: this is about 1300 calories and 24g net carbs, which is 7% carbs. I don't usually eat Frankenfoods like the low-carb tortilla, but I love me a breakfast burrito every once in a great while.
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Sure, but I do hear a lot: "It's just water weight." Which is a bit aggravating. :-)blktngldhrt wrote: »rdigiovine wrote: »
Initial, yes, but after that, you should be using fat -- if you're eating enough protein to spare your muscle.blktngldhrt wrote: »jenjay8045 wrote: »jenjay8045 wrote: »Just putting this out there...If you do a low carb lifestyle, eventually you will run out of this "water weight" You cannot lose 85 pounds of "just" water weight in 6 months. How do I know???? Because I am living freaking proof! UGH. So tired of all these so called experts here....OP if LOw carb helps keep you balanced, do it and when you eat your carbs eat the good ones found in fres veggies and quality grains... Best of luck!
No kidding. No one has said that.
No they didnt say that specifically but several posts said the weight lost from low carb was just water weight. So my response was I have been doing low carb for roughly 6 months with occasional cheat meals and once in a while a complete all out carb fests. Yet I am still losing as soon as I eat on plan again.
The initial drop in weight from low carb is usually water weight.
I've been eating a ketogenic diet for 3+ months and am now losing fat. Yes, I'm also counting calories -- but I find it much easier to sustain a deficit with low carbs and enough fat.
I know how it works....... I was explaining where the low carb water weight comments are coming from. No one said you only lose water weight on low carb...
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