Sweets when bulking?
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JeffseekingV wrote: »Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiSNdMsFKmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXIg-Hmcq0
-Isaiah
THAT"S NOT HOW THIS WORKS!!!!
THAT"S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS!
I'd be actually interested in a high protein brownie or ice cream though. Especially if the calorie count per gram is lower than a "normal" brownie or ice cream snack.
They make protein ice cream I think- it's horrible. I'd just look up protein recipies with protein powder- I'm absolutely positive they exist- we have protein pancakes- surely someone has made protein brownies.
and yes- burger + beer.
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JeffseekingV wrote: »Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiSNdMsFKmYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXIg-Hmcq0
-Isaiah
THAT"S NOT HOW THIS WORKS!!!!
THAT"S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS!
I'd be actually interested in a high protein brownie or ice cream though. Especially if the calorie count per gram is lower than a "normal" brownie or ice cream snack.
They make protein ice cream I think- it's horrible. I'd just look up protein recipies with protein powder- I'm absolutely positive they exist- we have protein pancakes- surely someone has made protein brownies.
and yes- burger + beer.
Winning.
Halo Top ice cream. Vanilla Bean is pretty good actually...0 -
I have heard good things about Halo Top- from you and someone else- I think there is a place in Trenton that sells it- need to go visit when I'm not being obscenely lazy.0
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1 pint is only 280 calories 12f/48c/28p. Get off your butt and find it lol0
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JeffseekingV wrote: »Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiSNdMsFKmYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXIg-Hmcq0
-Isaiah
THAT"S NOT HOW THIS WORKS!!!!
THAT"S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS!
I'd be actually interested in a high protein brownie or ice cream though. Especially if the calorie count per gram is lower than a "normal" brownie or ice cream snack.
This. Or what this world really needs is high-protein, low-calorie beer.
Beer and a burger. You're welcome
But it would have to be a light beer. Ugh0 -
dieselbyte wrote: »1 pint is only 280 calories 12f/48c/28p. Get off your butt and find it lol
HA!
1 pint is only 280 calories? I would totally take that.
I'm going today after work- I promise- studio is closed- I have no obligations
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dieselbyte wrote: »1 pint is only 280 calories 12f/48c/28p. Get off your butt and find it lol
When I see macros like that on ice cream, I have to question the taste and price in comparison to real ice cream. I guess I need to find this stuff and make a judgement for myself.
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Halo Top is the only one I've ever heard people rave about- multiple times- so apparently it's time to stop being so lazy- I could get my daily calories in this ice cream then and hit my min protein goals- I see this as a potential WIN!
Arctic ice apparently was complete crap.0 -
I eat sweets daily, regardless of bulking or cutting, and look better than 95% of the people out there spreading *kitten* about how they're "unhealthy".
Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
Arrogant? Maybe.
True? Yup.
The proof is in the pudding OP.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »Doesn't matter. Keep control of your total calories and you'll be fine.
Dirty Bulk is dictated by the amount of caloric surplus, not the diet.
^ Basically this.
This assumes that you do mean moderation as you said in your original post. Keeping a small percentage of total calories as "discretionary" and meeting nutrient needs (micro and macro) with the rest of your diet is a proven strategy.
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This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
Actually, it makes perfect sense if you take the time to read & comprehend the post + understand the basics of nutrition and fact that there is no individual food that is neither "healthy" or "unhealthy" as a stand-alone item.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
once again, you are incorrect....0 -
Isn't it interesting how the 'Men's Health', nutritional gurus, are also the ones who are often AVI-less and have no proof of proper application of their "knowledge".ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
once again, you are incorrect....
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I get that, but I think I was just looking at it differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding something like brownies to an already healthy diet, but doing so doesn't all of a sudden make brownies a health food.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I get that, but I think I was just looking at it differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding something like brownies to an already healthy diet, but doing so doesn't all of a sudden make brownies a health food.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
Explain how brownies are an "unhealthy" food.
Bare in mind, this means have VALID evidence to support your claims.
Peer-reviewed research, legitimate nutritional journals, etc. are valid.
Magazine articles, t.v. reports, and the like, are not.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I get that, but I think I was just looking at it differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding something like brownies to an already healthy diet, but doing so doesn't all of a sudden make brownies a health food.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
If you only ate a serving of vegetables and nothing else, it doesn't mean you have a healthy diet either.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I get that, but I think I was just looking at it differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding something like brownies to an already healthy diet, but doing so doesn't all of a sudden make brownies a health food.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
If you only ate a serving of vegetables and nothing else, it doesn't mean you have a healthy diet either.
Funny how that, if we were simply comparing the two items (a brownie vs a serving of a vegetable), the brownie would be the "healthier" option due to the higher caloric & nutrient content.
Let's see how they enjoy that little fun-fact
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You're joking, right? I'm talking about a typical brownie, not ones with added things like beans, oats, etc.beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I get that, but I think I was just looking at it differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding something like brownies to an already healthy diet, but doing so doesn't all of a sudden make brownies a health food.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
Explain how brownies are an "unhealthy" food.
Bare in mind, this means have VALID evidence to support your claims.
Peer-reviewed research, legitimate nutritional journals, etc. are valid.
Magazine articles, t.v. reports, and the like, are not.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're joking, right? I'm talking about a typical brownie, not ones with added things like beans, oats, etc.beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I get that, but I think I was just looking at it differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding something like brownies to an already healthy diet, but doing so doesn't all of a sudden make brownies a health food.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
Explain how brownies are an "unhealthy" food.
Bare in mind, this means have VALID evidence to support your claims.
Peer-reviewed research, legitimate nutritional journals, etc. are valid.
Magazine articles, t.v. reports, and the like, are not.
But once again you HAVE to consider context.
There are legitimate scenarios where a brownie will be a much better choice than green vegetables.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're joking, right? I'm talking about a typical brownie, not ones with added things like beans, oats, etc.beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I get that, but I think I was just looking at it differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding something like brownies to an already healthy diet, but doing so doesn't all of a sudden make brownies a health food.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
Explain how brownies are an "unhealthy" food.
Bare in mind, this means have VALID evidence to support your claims.
Peer-reviewed research, legitimate nutritional journals, etc. are valid.
Magazine articles, t.v. reports, and the like, are not.
I'm entirely serious.
Please answer the question and provide VALID research/evidence to support your statement.
That doesn't mean simply saying "Brownies are unhealthy", that's not evidence, that's your personal (and incorrect) opinion.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're joking, right? I'm talking about a typical brownie, not ones with added things like beans, oats, etc.beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I get that, but I think I was just looking at it differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding something like brownies to an already healthy diet, but doing so doesn't all of a sudden make brownies a health food.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
Explain how brownies are an "unhealthy" food.
Bare in mind, this means have VALID evidence to support your claims.
Peer-reviewed research, legitimate nutritional journals, etc. are valid.
Magazine articles, t.v. reports, and the like, are not.
But once again you HAVE to consider context.
There are legitimate scenarios where a brownie will be a much better choice than green vegetables.
Eh, I wouldn't waste anymore time bothering with it.
It's evident based upon his clear attempt to avoid directly answering the question, that he has no basis for his claims other than what he's read in magazines or heard on the television.
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I personally am a believer that there's never such thing as an "unhealthy food", just unhealthy quantities of foods.0
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I personally am a believer that there's never such thing as an "unhealthy food", just unhealthy quantities of foods.
Which is the correct belief.
You sound like you have the knowledge to understand the proper aspects of nutrition, and determine which posts offering advice are accurate.
Best of luck to you.
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I get that (believe me, I can certainly understand that since I am trying to do a slow bulk). Brownies certainly trump broccoli in this scenario. But regardless of whatever else I eat for the day, it doesn't change the fact that broccoli will give me a lot more micronutrients than a brownie will.ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're joking, right? I'm talking about a typical brownie, not ones with added things like beans, oats, etc.beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I get that, but I think I was just looking at it differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding something like brownies to an already healthy diet, but doing so doesn't all of a sudden make brownies a health food.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
Explain how brownies are an "unhealthy" food.
Bare in mind, this means have VALID evidence to support your claims.
Peer-reviewed research, legitimate nutritional journals, etc. are valid.
Magazine articles, t.v. reports, and the like, are not.
But once again you HAVE to consider context.
There are legitimate scenarios where a brownie will be a much better choice than green vegetables.
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beastcompany wrote: »I personally am a believer that there's never such thing as an "unhealthy food", just unhealthy quantities of foods.
Which is the correct belief.
You sound like you have the knowledge to understand the proper aspects of nutrition, and determine which posts offering advice are accurate.
Best of luck to you.
Thanks man! And side note: thank you for serving our country!0 -
omg please say you aren't doing this right now.ForecasterJason wrote: »
I get that (believe me, I can certainly understand that since I am trying to do a slow bulk). Brownies certainly trump broccoli in this scenario. But regardless of whatever else I eat for the day, it doesn't change the fact that broccoli will give me a lot more micronutrients than a brownie will.ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're joking, right? I'm talking about a typical brownie, not ones with added things like beans, oats, etc.beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I get that, but I think I was just looking at it differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding something like brownies to an already healthy diet, but doing so doesn't all of a sudden make brownies a health food.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This doesn't make sense. The nutritional content of a food doesn't change regardless of the overall composition of one's diet. Obviously, adding a couple cookies to a diet rich in whole foods versus a diet already loaded with cake, chips, ice-cream, etc. is different, but that doesn't change the healthiness of the food.beastcompany wrote: »Rule #1 : If someone is telling you that an individual food is either "healthy" or "unhealthy", without reviewing the overall context of your daily dietary intake...you should proceed to ignore any further advice that person provides.
It does make sense. The point is that individual foods in isolation do not tell you the quality of the overall diet. If you're going to evaluate nutrient sufficiency (and other factors like energy balance, satiety, performance, etc) you look at the entire diet, you do not look at foods eaten in isolation.
There are contexts in which adding ice cream to a diet will do more good than adding green beans or broccoli. There are also contexts in which the opposite is true.
Explain how brownies are an "unhealthy" food.
Bare in mind, this means have VALID evidence to support your claims.
Peer-reviewed research, legitimate nutritional journals, etc. are valid.
Magazine articles, t.v. reports, and the like, are not.
But once again you HAVE to consider context.
There are legitimate scenarios where a brownie will be a much better choice than green vegetables.
micornutrients in the grand scheme are totally not that relevant.
if you eat a variety of food- you'll hit your micro nutrients just fine- its' like comparing the micros of captain crunch to a snickers bar to a pile of veggies.
It's NOT RELEVANT- it's such a specious tiny argument it's just ridiculous.0 -
PS- I reach for a snickers for a prework out before I reach for a bag of veggies.
seriously- bang for buck a snickers wins hands down.0
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