Define "healthy" food...
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stevencloser wrote: »murphyocean wrote: »whole foods...
in relation to what…???
I love the people that just drive by with a two word response that makes no sense...
Compared to half foods obviously. Have a whole cake instead of only half of one.
hmmm I prefer a whole cake….0 -
neanderthin wrote: »Anything that says healthy on the package, duh.
well damn ..page 35 and we finally figure it out!!!!!!0 -
Rocket surgeon in session, please see my secretary.neanderthin wrote: »Anything that says healthy on the package, duh.
well damn ..page 35 and we finally figure it out!!!!!!
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
It's called ingredients that do not have a place in pizza.ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're missing it. If you saw the post I made earlier about the ingredients in Dominoes pizza, maybe it'd be easier for you to understand her point.sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »So if I get 500 to 600 calories from ice cream and cookies to fill in my diet, does that make me less healthy than the person that is getting 75% of their calories from fish, rice, and vegetables?
Yes. Just look at the ingredient list.
Where your nutrients, fat, carbs, etc. are coming from do matter.
oh really??? care to elaborate?
so if my macors are 35p/35c/30 fats and I hit them all with eggs, chicken, rice, bread, etc and then filled in rest of day with ice cream and some cookies, you are saying that is an unhealthy day just because I got 500 - 600 from ice cream and cookies...really?
As I said, look at the ingredients. That is, unless you're going with organic or natural. It's not necessarily the food itself that's the problem. Food colorings and artificial flavors? Preservatives and other chemicals they put in a lot of foods? No thank you.
First, all food has "chemicals" so unless you are drinking pure water you are ingesting *gasp* chemiclas.
That post you made actually made no sense. All you did was list ingredients in a pizza and pick what you thought was unhealthy. Which there was absolutely no reason why it would have been healthy.
Interesting, I wasn't aware that there was a rule on what belongs in a pizza.
There should be. Pepperoni - NO, pineapple - yes.
you're saying pepperoni doesn't belong on a pizza- but pineapple does?
At no point- outside of sauce- does fruit belong on a pizza.
Ever.
Yuck. no.
meat- cheese- sauce.
yes.
fruit? nope nope nope.
LOL. I like pineapple on my pizza. With pepperoni.
*duck*
Hawaiian pizza anyone?
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martyqueen52 wrote: »I'm playing Dragon Age, lol.
Sold Destiny on Ebay, game was a redundant pile of *kitten*. My wife got me Farcry 4 for X-mas... so as soon as DA is finished I'm moving onto it.
DA is freaking insane..I am like 20+ hours into it ..the only thing I don't like about it is that you can't freaking toggle the weapons when you are fighting…freaking lame...
They put some serious side quest and *kitten* in there …
I just like Destiny when I feel like shooting stuff ….LOL …
I am going to guess you two already played Watch Dogs? Maybe beat the game?
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I do not think I have ever seeing a thread become 35 pages in one day. How much of that actually pertains to the OP is like a fourth of it. I think the arguments people are having should be settle in a
The one debate that is the best was someone telling Sara to find her knowledge. You have no idea how much I laughed at that since this comes from the used to say "go see a doctor for every comment" person.
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Oh man...this has really exploded since I opened this. I will say this - I believe that the premise that all foods are equally healthy, depending on what the person's goals are, is largely based upon whether that person is aiming to lose or gain weight. It seems that a lot of persons who are saying that there is no food that is inherently healthy or unhealthy, are using this as their rationale.
If you do not use "weight loss" as a method of defining the relative healthiness of foods (so therefore CICO and to a certain extent IIFYM are removed from the equation) then I think you can safely say that some foods are healthier than others, by defining healthiness by macro- and micro-nutrient density and general benefit of eating that food (larger picture rather than individual - yes you may have gout and may not be able to eat red meat, but most persons can eat red meat without ill-effects, and we can assess the food by the way it will affect the average person).
If I eat 1000 calories of Twinkies, I won't gain any more weight than I will if I eat 1000 calories of chicken, avocado and sweet potatoes. However, outside of the weight-loss component, most people would have to agree that eating the balanced meal which hits most macronutrient groups and includes some micronutrients, is healthier than the meal of Twinkies.
This of course does not mean that you should never eat Twinkies, or even that you should never eat a 1000-calorie meal of Twinkies. Just that by using the above definition of health (which was requested by the OP) a meal of Twinkies is less healthy than a balanced meal containing more than one macro and several beneficial micros.
OK - but who just eats a meal full of Twinkies? Why is that even a comparison?????
This thread is huge, terrible and epic and is making my head hurt!! Wow.
I don't know how to properly answer your second question, sir. I thought it was self-evident. It wasn't intended as a straw-man argument. I was actually conceding the CICO theory re: weight loss, while responding to the OPs request to provide a definition of healthy food.
And why do you think that nobody eats a meal full of Twinkies??? Not been fat enough to eat a box full of snack food I guess...or a tub of ice cream in one sitting. Or a huge serving of fries and cheese. All of these would be defined as meals. *Each of these would likely come in to close to 1000 calories. I'm sure you're not suggesting that you can't have more than 3 meals a day...
I myself have eaten 3 cupcakes for lunch...or a huge slice of cake, because that is all I want, and I love cake more than the average fat kid. Is this concept really what is causing you concern?
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yopeeps025 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »I'm playing Dragon Age, lol.
Sold Destiny on Ebay, game was a redundant pile of *kitten*. My wife got me Farcry 4 for X-mas... so as soon as DA is finished I'm moving onto it.
DA is freaking insane..I am like 20+ hours into it ..the only thing I don't like about it is that you can't freaking toggle the weapons when you are fighting…freaking lame...
They put some serious side quest and *kitten* in there …
I just like Destiny when I feel like shooting stuff ….LOL …
I am going to guess you two already played Watch Dogs? Maybe beat the game?
i have not played that ...I just got PS4 for myself this Christmas after being out of gaming for a bit...0 -
LOL that this thread is still going on.0
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In again for the third time.....got 2 Bingo's yesterday!! LOL0
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yopeeps025 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »I'm playing Dragon Age, lol.
Sold Destiny on Ebay, game was a redundant pile of *kitten*. My wife got me Farcry 4 for X-mas... so as soon as DA is finished I'm moving onto it.
DA is freaking insane..I am like 20+ hours into it ..the only thing I don't like about it is that you can't freaking toggle the weapons when you are fighting…freaking lame...
They put some serious side quest and *kitten* in there …
I just like Destiny when I feel like shooting stuff ….LOL …
I am going to guess you two already played Watch Dogs? Maybe beat the game?
i have not played that ...I just got PS4 for myself this Christmas after being out of gaming for a bit...
And Destiny. Bungie F that up. They should have never left Halo.
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yopeeps025 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »I'm playing Dragon Age, lol.
Sold Destiny on Ebay, game was a redundant pile of *kitten*. My wife got me Farcry 4 for X-mas... so as soon as DA is finished I'm moving onto it.
DA is freaking insane..I am like 20+ hours into it ..the only thing I don't like about it is that you can't freaking toggle the weapons when you are fighting…freaking lame...
They put some serious side quest and *kitten* in there …
I just like Destiny when I feel like shooting stuff ….LOL …
I am going to guess you two already played Watch Dogs? Maybe beat the game?
i have not played that ...I just got PS4 for myself this Christmas after being out of gaming for a bit...
And Destiny. Bungie F that up. They should have never left Halo.
the story line pretty much blows...but it is fine to shoot the living hell out of stuff..
honestly, I have not touched it since I got Dragon Age...0 -
yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
It's called ingredients that do not have a place in pizza.ForecasterJason wrote: »
You're missing it. If you saw the post I made earlier about the ingredients in Dominoes pizza, maybe it'd be easier for you to understand her point.sweetdixie92 wrote: »sweetdixie92 wrote: »So if I get 500 to 600 calories from ice cream and cookies to fill in my diet, does that make me less healthy than the person that is getting 75% of their calories from fish, rice, and vegetables?
Yes. Just look at the ingredient list.
Where your nutrients, fat, carbs, etc. are coming from do matter.
oh really??? care to elaborate?
so if my macors are 35p/35c/30 fats and I hit them all with eggs, chicken, rice, bread, etc and then filled in rest of day with ice cream and some cookies, you are saying that is an unhealthy day just because I got 500 - 600 from ice cream and cookies...really?
As I said, look at the ingredients. That is, unless you're going with organic or natural. It's not necessarily the food itself that's the problem. Food colorings and artificial flavors? Preservatives and other chemicals they put in a lot of foods? No thank you.
First, all food has "chemicals" so unless you are drinking pure water you are ingesting *gasp* chemiclas.
That post you made actually made no sense. All you did was list ingredients in a pizza and pick what you thought was unhealthy. Which there was absolutely no reason why it would have been healthy.
Interesting, I wasn't aware that there was a rule on what belongs in a pizza.
There should be. Pepperoni - NO, pineapple - yes.
you're saying pepperoni doesn't belong on a pizza- but pineapple does?
At no point- outside of sauce- does fruit belong on a pizza.
Ever.
Yuck. no.
meat- cheese- sauce.
yes.
fruit? nope nope nope.
LOL. I like pineapple on my pizza. With pepperoni.
*duck*
Hawaiian pizza anyone?
Hawaiian pizza is okay, but I prefer Italian sausage, pineapple and onion. Adding banana peppers and/or mushrooms is cool, but not required. Adding pepperoni will ruin it.0 -
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murphyocean wrote: »whole foods...
in relation to what…???
I love the people that just drive by with a two word response that makes no sense...
It seems that rather than defining "healthy foods", a lot of people are giving examples of foods that fit their definition of healthy. This confounds the issue because often the examples do not actually exemplify the definition they use.
When I think "healthy foods", I think of foods that have been identified as strongly correlated with greater longevity and lower incidence of disease in humans. I use it as a general guideline for menu planning, rather than case by case for individual food decisions.
I can only speak for myself, but I think of healthy food as that which is statistically most likely to improve my health. I don't try to rank every possible pair of foods or anything, I just try to prioritize "healthy" food and eat less useful foods in moderation. And yes, I make sure to meet my macros every day, they are not mutually exclusive. If I find I am meaningfully short on fat one day, I will try to find a fat source that has been linked to longevity or disease prevention, and if that's not feasible, I will at least try to find something that is neutral.
By the way, I am specifically not giving examples because I don't want to confound the definition. I have been doing as much research as I can, but I realize that I haven't seen all the available evidence yet, so while I am satisfied enough with my current knowledge to make dietary changes for myself, I'm not convinced enough to assert my opinions as fact, or as a completely balanced viewpoint.
As it relates to whole foods, they probably tend to fit my definition, as the human nutrition textbook I am currently reading describes the synergistic benefits of phytochemicals, which are lost when nutrients are stripped and then restored in isolation, and the loss of certain nutrients that occurs with different types of processing.
I still don't know the full risks and benefits of each type of processing (I.e. relative risks of organism growth vs nutrient depletion) for each type of food, so I can't say with certainty, but I think that eating most plant foods whole, shortly after harvest (to minimize time for bacteria growth) probably maximizes the risk/reward ratio.
I'm referring to foods that are safe to eat raw, by the way. I don't recommend eating raw meat or potatoes. Even in the case of foods that must be processed for safety, though, the minimum amount of processing required to make it safe would likely be optimal, from a nutritional standpoint.
You didn't want a two word answer. Be careful what you wish for
ETA: for those of you with "long winded but oddly insecure know-it-all" on your bingo cards, you're welcome.0 -
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Sugar is the DEBBIL!
Carbs make you fat
Fat makes you fat
HCG
Rasberry Ketones
Garcinia Cambogia
Green Tea Extract
Chemicals are bad
Organic is the only way to go
If I can't pronounce it, it's bad for me
CICO doesn't work for me
You MUST eat clean
Jof, did I get the blackout in one post? I can't remember.
BINGO! again...woot woot!0 -
Detox
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MFP is so mean!
Dr. Oz
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Lolstig
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Sugar is the DEBBIL!
Carbs make you fat
Fat makes you fat
HCG
Rasberry Ketones
Garcinia Cambogia
Green Tea Extract
Chemicals are bad
Organic is the only way to go
If I can't pronounce it, it's bad for me
CICO doesn't work for me
You MUST eat clean
Jof, did I get the blackout in one post? I can't remember.
You forgot:
Baking soda is toxic
Mini trampolines can make you lose 5 pounds a day!
And, my new favorite,
If it has a commercial, it's unhealthy
Don't forget KFC chicken isn't realy chicken0 -
Detox
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MFP is so mean!
Dr. Oz
Dr. Mercola
Lolstig
Taubes
Sugar is the DEBBIL!
Carbs make you fat
Fat makes you fat
HCG
Rasberry Ketones
Garcinia Cambogia
Green Tea Extract
Chemicals are bad
Organic is the only way to go
If I can't pronounce it, it's bad for me
CICO doesn't work for me
You MUST eat clean
Jof, did I get the blackout in one post? I can't remember.
You forgot:
Baking soda is toxic
Mini trampolines can make you lose 5 pounds a day!
And, my new favorite,
If it has a commercial, it's unhealthy
Don't forget KFC chicken isn't realy chicken
YES! How could I have forgotten that gem?0 -
Detox
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MFP is so mean!
Dr. Oz
Dr. Mercola
Lolstig
Taubes
Sugar is the DEBBIL!
Carbs make you fat
Fat makes you fat
HCG
Rasberry Ketones
Garcinia Cambogia
Green Tea Extract
Chemicals are bad
Organic is the only way to go
If I can't pronounce it, it's bad for me
CICO doesn't work for me
You MUST eat clean
Jof, did I get the blackout in one post? I can't remember.
You forgot:
Baking soda is toxic
Mini trampolines can make you lose 5 pounds a day!
And, my new favorite,
If it has a commercial, it's unhealthy
Don't forget KFC chicken isn't realy chicken
YES! How could I have forgotten that gem?
I brought up Sodium Bicarbonate and how it makes chicken toxic non-food yesterday. You guys need to keep up.0 -
Oh, I didn't realize the card was new for this year.0
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Detox
Cleanse
MFP is so mean!
Dr. Oz
Dr. Mercola
Lolstig
Taubes
Sugar is the DEBBIL!
Carbs make you fat
Fat makes you fat
HCG
Rasberry Ketones
Garcinia Cambogia
Green Tea Extract
Chemicals are bad
Organic is the only way to go
If I can't pronounce it, it's bad for me
CICO doesn't work for me
You MUST eat clean
Jof, did I get the blackout in one post? I can't remember.
You forgot:
Baking soda is toxic
Mini trampolines can make you lose 5 pounds a day!
And, my new favorite,
If it has a commercial, it's unhealthy
Don't forget KFC chicken isn't realy chicken
YES! How could I have forgotten that gem?
I brought up Sodium Bicarbonate and how it makes chicken toxic non-food yesterday. You guys need to keep up.
Hmmm....you're right.
But why do I feel like we are still missing something?0 -
Detox
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MFP is so mean!
Dr. Oz
Dr. Mercola
Lolstig
Taubes
Sugar is the DEBBIL!
Carbs make you fat
Fat makes you fat
HCG
Rasberry Ketones
Garcinia Cambogia
Green Tea Extract
Chemicals are bad
Organic is the only way to go
If I can't pronounce it, it's bad for me
CICO doesn't work for me
You MUST eat clean
Jof, did I get the blackout in one post? I can't remember.
You forgot:
Baking soda is toxic
Mini trampolines can make you lose 5 pounds a day!
And, my new favorite,
If it has a commercial, it's unhealthy
Don't forget KFC chicken isn't realy chicken
YES! How could I have forgotten that gem?
I brought up Sodium Bicarbonate and how it makes chicken toxic non-food yesterday. You guys need to keep up.
Damn lost that in the crazy. Our bad0 -
murphyocean wrote: »whole foods...
in relation to what…???
I love the people that just drive by with a two word response that makes no sense...
Where is @BigT555 to tell them that they're doing it wrong?0 -
Detox
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MFP is so mean!
Dr. Oz
Dr. Mercola
Lolstig
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Sugar is the DEBBIL!
Carbs make you fat
Fat makes you fat
HCG
Rasberry Ketones
Garcinia Cambogia
Green Tea Extract
Chemicals are bad
Organic is the only way to go
If I can't pronounce it, it's bad for me
CICO doesn't work for me
You MUST eat clean
Jof, did I get the blackout in one post? I can't remember.
You forgot:
Baking soda is toxic
Mini trampolines can make you lose 5 pounds a day!
And, my new favorite,
If it has a commercial, it's unhealthy
We have not had a 10 page debate on whether 'muscle weighs more than fat' yet.0 -
Detox
Cleanse
MFP is so mean!
Dr. Oz
Dr. Mercola
Lolstig
Taubes
Sugar is the DEBBIL!
Carbs make you fat
Fat makes you fat
HCG
Rasberry Ketones
Garcinia Cambogia
Green Tea Extract
Chemicals are bad
Organic is the only way to go
If I can't pronounce it, it's bad for me
CICO doesn't work for me
You MUST eat clean
Jof, did I get the blackout in one post? I can't remember.
You forgot:
Baking soda is toxic
Mini trampolines can make you lose 5 pounds a day!
And, my new favorite,
If it has a commercial, it's unhealthy
We have not had a 10 page debate on whether 'muscle weighs more than fat' yet.
This is true.
We also haven't discussed how the government needs to regulate ALL the restaurant menus in the world.0 -
Oh man...this has really exploded since I opened this. I will say this - I believe that the premise that all foods are equally healthy, depending on what the person's goals are, is largely based upon whether that person is aiming to lose or gain weight. It seems that a lot of persons who are saying that there is no food that is inherently healthy or unhealthy, are using this as their rationale.
If you do not use "weight loss" as a method of defining the relative healthiness of foods (so therefore CICO and to a certain extent IIFYM are removed from the equation) then I think you can safely say that some foods are healthier than others, by defining healthiness by macro- and micro-nutrient density and general benefit of eating that food (larger picture rather than individual - yes you may have gout and may not be able to eat red meat, but most persons can eat red meat without ill-effects, and we can assess the food by the way it will affect the average person).
If I eat 1000 calories of Twinkies, I won't gain any more weight than I will if I eat 1000 calories of chicken, avocado and sweet potatoes. However, outside of the weight-loss component, most people would have to agree that eating the balanced meal which hits most macronutrient groups and includes some micronutrients, is healthier than the meal of Twinkies.
This of course does not mean that you should never eat Twinkies, or even that you should never eat a 1000-calorie meal of Twinkies. Just that by using the above definition of health (which was requested by the OP) a meal of Twinkies is less healthy than a balanced meal containing more than one macro and several beneficial micros.
OK - but who just eats a meal full of Twinkies? Why is that even a comparison?????
This thread is huge, terrible and epic and is making my head hurt!! Wow.
I don't know how to properly answer your second question, sir. I thought it was self-evident. It wasn't intended as a straw-man argument. I was actually conceding the CICO theory re: weight loss, while responding to the OPs request to provide a definition of healthy food.
And why do you think that nobody eats a meal full of Twinkies??? Not been fat enough to eat a box full of snack food I guess...or a tub of ice cream in one sitting. Or a huge serving of fries and cheese. All of these would be defined as meals. *Each of these would likely come in to close to 1000 calories. I'm sure you're not suggesting that you can't have more than 3 meals a day...
I myself have eaten 3 cupcakes for lunch...or a huge slice of cake, because that is all I want, and I love cake more than the average fat kid. Is this concept really what is causing you concern?
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Wait. There's a minimum fatness required to eat a full carton of ice cream at once?
It wasn't a "meal", though, so maybe I'm still okay.0 -
Detox
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MFP is so mean!
Dr. Oz
Dr. Mercola
Lolstig
Taubes
Sugar is the DEBBIL!
Carbs make you fat
Fat makes you fat
HCG
Rasberry Ketones
Garcinia Cambogia
Green Tea Extract
Chemicals are bad
Organic is the only way to go
If I can't pronounce it, it's bad for me
CICO doesn't work for me
You MUST eat clean
Jof, did I get the blackout in one post? I can't remember.
You forgot:
Baking soda is toxic
Mini trampolines can make you lose 5 pounds a day!
And, my new favorite,
If it has a commercial, it's unhealthy
We have not had a 10 page debate on whether 'muscle weighs more than fat' yet.
The nurse at my doctor office said that quote to me when I was talking about the bod pod. I just laughed and smh. They also told me that I can only get a Dexa scan if they thought something was wrong.
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but it does, and I'm a pedantic moron for saying, nay INSISTING, that a pound of muscle weighs as much as a pound of fat.0
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Detox
Cleanse
MFP is so mean!
Dr. Oz
Dr. Mercola
Lolstig
Taubes
Sugar is the DEBBIL!
Carbs make you fat
Fat makes you fat
HCG
Rasberry Ketones
Garcinia Cambogia
Green Tea Extract
Chemicals are bad
Organic is the only way to go
If I can't pronounce it, it's bad for me
CICO doesn't work for me
You MUST eat clean
Jof, did I get the blackout in one post? I can't remember.
Don't know. Everyone's cards are different.
My current card has "mod lock-message taking a shot at other members" and "mod lock message but failed to actually lock thread" so I can't imagine winning this round. I don't think those two things have happened since MFP forums v2.0.0
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