i'm eating more but still losing weight
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Everybodies metabolism is different, what works for doesn't mean it will work for everyone, as well how many times a day does he eat? What does he eat? Is it a cheat day that you've read? Is it gluten free? Was it packaged? Thin crust or thick?0
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deviboy1592 wrote: »Soda is linked to prostate, processed meats to heart disease, diet soda to obesity and a whole slew of problems, look it up. I've been eating pretty clean for the last year and I have seen better results with cutting my gym time in half. Watch all the health nuts on YouTube and body builders. They all Eat and the same thing
I bolded the part that's important.0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »Everybodies metabolism is different, what works for doesn't mean it will work for everyone, as well how many times a day does he eat? What does he eat? Is it a cheat day that you've read? Is it gluten free? Was it packaged? Thin crust or thick?
two constants that NEVER change
calorie surplus = weight gain
calorie deficit = weight loss
nothing you say or do can change those facts...
unless you are from the fifth dimension and the rules of math and physics do not apply to you ..0 -
You are quoting the bro diets on BB.com? Really?deviboy1592 wrote: »I'm not trying to scare anyone, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has Internet, websites like the huffinton post, web md, news shows, talk shows all kinds of media points to these scientific facts. Look around. I was in the same point a lot of these people are, and eating whatever you want isn't for everyone.
Those body builders posted up meal plans on bodybuilding.com, no where do I see Big Macs and kfc anywhere.
And huffpost, talk shows, holee F.0 -
You're missing the point of flexible dieting. Layne Norton was thrown around as a body builder who eats a flexible diet. He has his own blog about it, but here's an interview about the lifestyle:deviboy1592 wrote: »Everybodies metabolism is different, what works for doesn't mean it will work for everyone, as well how many times a day does he eat? What does he eat? Is it a cheat day that you've read? Is it gluten free? Was it packaged? Thin crust or thick?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/iifym-and-flexible-nutrition-interview-with-dr-layne-norton.html0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »Everybodies metabolism is different, what works for doesn't mean it will work for everyone, as well how many times a day does he eat? What does he eat? Is it a cheat day that you've read? Is it gluten free? Was it packaged? Thin crust or thick?
Who are you directing this too?
If you are referring to the list of names - they do not apply flexible dieting only on some days, they do not eat gluten free and they eat packaged food. Meal timing - well, not sure what that question is even about.
In any event, what do any of those things have to do with anything?
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deviboy1592 wrote: »I'm not trying to scare anyone, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has Internet, websites like the huffinton post, web md, news shows, talk shows all kinds of media points to these scientific facts. Look around. I was in the same point a lot of these people are, and eating whatever you want isn't for everyone.
Those body builders posted up meal plans on bodybuilding.com, no where do I see Big Macs and kfc anywhere.
I like scientific sources to point me to 'scientific facts' - however, what scientific facts are you referring to?
Those bb'ers do not post up meal plans in bb.com.
Also, Big Macs and KFC are not the only other foods around.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »While those guys are cutting down to a competition, they might eat well when off season or bulking, they probably are not nearly as strict and probably eat plenty of junk food. Where do you think these guys go right after a competition? Probably to a fast food joint or a steak house LOL
After my last PL meet I went out to eat with a bunch of competitive bb'ers - you should have seen the size of the burgers and plates of fries and other fried food consumed - and these were the ones who didn't compete at the meet. One was even kind enough to bring a big ole box of donuts to the meet for us.0 -
And a great cap to my day- throws out huffington post as a place of credible information about what causes cancer.
thank you deviboy- thank you- that was... just. awesome.0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »Everybodies metabolism is different, what works for doesn't mean it will work for everyone, as well how many times a day does he eat? What does he eat? Is it a cheat day that you've read? Is it gluten free? Was it packaged? Thin crust or thick?
FFS
Is it just the same person making different accounts? Seems like physics isn't working for a lot of people lately.
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"THE POINT OF FLEXIBLE DIETING IS TO HAVE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY. ALLOWING PEOPLE TO EAT FOODS THEY ENJOY IN MODERATION MAKES THEM LESS LIKELY TO CHEAT AND BINGE EAT."
Took that after reading the article, doesn't mean that they just eat what they want, if he has ice cream once a day big deal, if it's the portion good for him, but that doesn't mean you need to eat all just junk food to get your calories.0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »"THE POINT OF FLEXIBLE DIETING IS TO HAVE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY. ALLOWING PEOPLE TO EAT FOODS THEY ENJOY IN MODERATION MAKES THEM LESS LIKELY TO CHEAT AND BINGE EAT."
Took that after reading the article, doesn't mean that they just eat what they want, if he has ice cream once a day big deal, if it's the portion good for him, but that doesn't mean you need to eat all just junk food to get your calories.
Who the heck said you do?
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deviboy1592 wrote: »
I would,like to know where is says all that food is unhealthy for you?
And no, please do not throw out a strawman of only eating ice cream and pop tarts all day.0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »"THE POINT OF FLEXIBLE DIETING IS TO HAVE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY. ALLOWING PEOPLE TO EAT FOODS THEY ENJOY IN MODERATION MAKES THEM LESS LIKELY TO CHEAT AND BINGE EAT."
Took that after reading the article, doesn't mean that they just eat what they want, if he has ice cream once a day big deal, if it's the portion good for him, but that doesn't mean you need to eat all just junk food to get your calories.
Who the heck said you do?
I'm sorry didn't you say" you should see what these guys eat after a competition?" My point is they actually eat very clean all the time.0 -
I know it sounds crazy, but a lot of the members here don't believe in food being "healthy" or "unhealthy".deviboy1592 wrote: »
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I seem to be having to drop this into threads a lot this year:
http://dynamicduotraining.com/ask-the-experts-round-table-discussions/15-nutrition-myths-you-want-to-knowallow-the-experts-to-tell/
Eric Helms-
The Myth of “Good” and “Bad” Foods
I think one of the most pervasive, and possibly detrimental mind sets is that of seeing foods as either “good” or “bad”. This is a rather seductive way of looking at foods because it is simplistic. Look at a food, identify it as friend or foe, and then go with the “good” option not the “bad” option and you’ll be healthy, fit, lean and sexy! It’s that easy! But of course, that’s not the case.
One of the problems with this mindset is that it fits perfectly into the behavioral paradigm that leads to obesity in the first place; the all or nothing mindset. One thing I find to be a commonality among folks who struggle with weight gain and permanent weight loss, is that they lose the middle ground. They bounce between being “on the diet” and falling off the band wagon and lapsing into cycles of overeating. We have no problem losing weight, we have trouble keeping the weight off. We crash diet and lose 20-30lbs in a few months, and then it all comes back on when we can’t maintain the crash diet approach.
All or nothing Black and white mindsets ignore the concepts of magnitude and frequency which are all important when it comes to long term change. Of course 1g of sugar eaten every 2 weeks will not have the same effect as 100g of sugar eaten daily, but we love to label sugar as “bad”. Even water consumed in massive excess can lead to hyponatremia and death. Sugar is not good or bad, and neither is water, they just are what they are and without attention to magnitude or frequency, labels like “good” or “bad” are misleading.
We tend to be overly reductionist in our approach to nutrition. Originally, we believed fat was the singular cause of the obesity epidemic. When the low fat craze had no impact on preventing the worsening of the obesity epidemic, we went the way of the low carb craze, and folks started consuming fat with abandon. When this didn’t turn the trend of waist expansion around, we decided that it’s not just fat or carbs, the causes are specific types of carbs and fat; specifically sugar, high fructose corn syrup and trans fat are the culprits!
The need to blame singular nutrients highlights the all or nothing, black or white attitude that is in and of itself one of the roots of unhealthy eating behavior and consequently obesity. Again, it comes down to seeking balance. The concept of balance in nutrition is inclusive of the concepts of magnitude and frequency that are needed for long term lifestyle change. Balance recognizes that it is not the small piece of chocolate that you had that wasn’t on your diet plan that was the problem, it was the carton of ice cream you had afterward!
The meal plan foods are “good”, and a piece of chocolate is “bad” and once you’d crossed over from “good” to “bad”, you said: “Screw it! I already blew it, I might as well just have cookie dough ice cream until I puke!” That is the all too common result of the all or nothing mindset in action. On the other hand, a balanced approach realizes that a small piece of chocolate is only ~100 calories, and will make a minuscule difference in terms of weight loss over time. In fact, a balanced meal plan might even allow for a daily range of calories, so that the following day could be reduced by 100 calories. Even more shockingly, a balanced meal plan might even include a piece of chocolate (blasphemy I know)!
There are truly VERY few foods that are actively bad for you. Most of the foods that we identify as “bad”, are simply low or devoid of micro-nutrients, minerals, fiber and other things like phytochemicals and protein that can be beneficial for you. These foods only become a problem when they occur frequently and with enough magnitude (frequency and magnitude!) to replace a significant enough portion of your diet that you become deficient in beneficial nutrients.
Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food! It’s not as though we have a health food critic living in our esophagus that has a control box that he switches from “get leaner and healthier” to “get fatter and unhealthier” every time he spots “good” or “bad” food. Thus, a healthy diet should be inclusionary vs. exclusionary; focused around including healthy foods, not excluding “unhealthy” foods. Meet your nutrient needs, and feel free to eat things that you may have traditionally seen as “bad” in moderation; so that you are still meeting your allotted caloric intake for your weight loss goals. Don’t make the mistake of looking at foods as “good” or “bad!” Good diets can include “bad” foods and bad diets can include “good” foods. Don’t get too caught up with what you have for lunch, because it is not a singular choice that will determine the success of your health and fitness goals, it is the balanced lifestyle you commit to long term!0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I know it sounds crazy, but a lot of the members here don't believe in food being "healthy" or "unhealthy".deviboy1592 wrote: »
Your right that does sound crazy, well said thank you.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
I know it sounds crazy, but a lot of the members here don't believe in food being "healthy" or "unhealthy".deviboy1592 wrote: »
Why is it crazy? You need to apply context...to your diet as a whole....and dosage.
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deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »"THE POINT OF FLEXIBLE DIETING IS TO HAVE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY. ALLOWING PEOPLE TO EAT FOODS THEY ENJOY IN MODERATION MAKES THEM LESS LIKELY TO CHEAT AND BINGE EAT."
Took that after reading the article, doesn't mean that they just eat what they want, if he has ice cream once a day big deal, if it's the portion good for him, but that doesn't mean you need to eat all just junk food to get your calories.
Who the heck said you do?
I'm sorry didn't you say" you should see what these guys eat after a competition?" My point is they actually eat very clean all the time.
Please tell me where you have seen those guys say they 'eat clean' all the time? Or even most of the time?
I would also suggest that you read the links to/posts that are actually are actually by those people before you assert (incorrectly) what they eat.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
I know it sounds crazy, but a lot of the members here don't believe in food being "healthy" or "unhealthy".deviboy1592 wrote: »
Have to laugh as he seems to think if you eat certain foods ONE day per week, it's healthy.0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »
anything that supplies macros and micros and makes me happy (all three of which are important)
nothing is healthy or uhhealthy outside of causing allergic reactions or consumed in excess quantities.
Rice has arsenic in it- consumed in small quantities- it's harmless.0 -
Strong trolling.0
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I understand that, but many of us come from a background where we've heard that individual foods are healthier than others (like the broccoli vs brownie discussion from another thread).ForecasterJason wrote: »
I know it sounds crazy, but a lot of the members here don't believe in food being "healthy" or "unhealthy".deviboy1592 wrote: »
Why is it crazy? You need to apply context...to your diet as a whole....and dosage.
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deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »"THE POINT OF FLEXIBLE DIETING IS TO HAVE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY. ALLOWING PEOPLE TO EAT FOODS THEY ENJOY IN MODERATION MAKES THEM LESS LIKELY TO CHEAT AND BINGE EAT."
Took that after reading the article, doesn't mean that they just eat what they want, if he has ice cream once a day big deal, if it's the portion good for him, but that doesn't mean you need to eat all just junk food to get your calories.
Who the heck said you do?
I'm sorry didn't you say" you should see what these guys eat after a competition?" My point is they actually eat very clean all the time.
My best friend is a 2 time Mr. Oklahoma....no they don't.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I understand that, but many of us come from a background where we've heard that individual foods are healthier than others (like the broccoli vs brownie discussion from another thread).ForecasterJason wrote: »
I know it sounds crazy, but a lot of the members here don't believe in food being "healthy" or "unhealthy".deviboy1592 wrote: »
Why is it crazy? You need to apply context...to your diet as a whole....and dosage.
How does you 'hearing' about something make the rest of us crazy for either not hearing that mis-information or being open and learning that it is mis-information?0
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