i'm eating more but still losing weight
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deviboy1592 wrote: »I already said I do, something's I just can't help, it's also hard to eat clean when your travelling depending what's around you, but I try, I just don't wanna be one of those guys who turn 50 and have to pop all kinds of meds so I can enjoy cheesecake and red meat. Ripped or fat, heart Attacks and strokes don't care. If a guy can sit there, be over weight and on all kinds of pills, drink nothing but veggie juice and all of health risks vanish then something is working there. I don't think that's movie magic either or *kitten*.
all food has chemicals. so according to your own words you are killing yourself…
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deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »I didn't intend to cause a storm, clearly some of you have issues, but the problem is if you have to label it then it's not good, flexible diet, watching what you eat, if I wanna eat cheese cake, even the word diet means something is wrong, even eat what you want, I used to love monster drinks, to me it was just a soda with some caffeine, now where I live you have to be 18 to buy it, I don't understand what all this negativity is coming from , to me, bottom line is there is good food, there is bad food, nutrition, good nutrition, yin and a damn yang, poor guy just wanted help, I assumed, ((which was wrong of me) that maybe he was in my situation, so I said my experience, then you guys come riding like the damn Lone Ranger, asking for quotes and articles, to me it's common sense, my grandparents and parents weren't over weight, America wasn't this obese, now tell me that certain foods out there isn't bad for you? Come on, macros micros, I can care less, I wanna live a long healthy overweight life, yes I said overweight, (5'11 should be 175 because I like the thick look I wanna hit 200) and if my story helps people so be it, but I won't run it at the risk of clogging an artery.
Wut?
Just stating that there is such a thing as bad food? Never knew it was a myth. It's just labelled different ways.
Yes, labelling things is bad but not when it's food - guess you missed that.
I'm sorry but why is that so Tabu?
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deviboy1592 wrote: »I gotta say this has been fun.
Oh, so you are a troll?0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »I didn't intend to cause a storm, clearly some of you have issues, but the problem is if you have to label it then it's not good, flexible diet, watching what you eat, if I wanna eat cheese cake, even the word diet means something is wrong, even eat what you want, I used to love monster drinks, to me it was just a soda with some caffeine, now where I live you have to be 18 to buy it, I don't understand what all this negativity is coming from , to me, bottom line is there is good food, there is bad food, nutrition, good nutrition, yin and a damn yang, poor guy just wanted help, I assumed, ((which was wrong of me) that maybe he was in my situation, so I said my experience, then you guys come riding like the damn Lone Ranger, asking for quotes and articles, to me it's common sense, my grandparents and parents weren't over weight, America wasn't this obese, now tell me that certain foods out there isn't bad for you? Come on, macros micros, I can care less, I wanna live a long healthy overweight life, yes I said overweight, (5'11 should be 175 because I like the thick look I wanna hit 200) and if my story helps people so be it, but I won't run it at the risk of clogging an artery.
Oh the irony. Good reposte...well presented!
Also what in the name of....are you talking about...if you have to label it then its' not good...now, that's a new one.
Nobody likes labels, that's why all this happens. I had enough, you don't believe me then fine, I wish you all the best, but from relevant past to the present those foods are doing more bad than good. All over media, news, gyms, surprised why gyms never sell Pepsi and snickers? Atleast the ones I've been to never did.0 -
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deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »I didn't intend to cause a storm, clearly some of you have issues, but the problem is if you have to label it then it's not good, flexible diet, watching what you eat, if I wanna eat cheese cake, even the word diet means something is wrong, even eat what you want, I used to love monster drinks, to me it was just a soda with some caffeine, now where I live you have to be 18 to buy it, I don't understand what all this negativity is coming from , to me, bottom line is there is good food, there is bad food, nutrition, good nutrition, yin and a damn yang, poor guy just wanted help, I assumed, ((which was wrong of me) that maybe he was in my situation, so I said my experience, then you guys come riding like the damn Lone Ranger, asking for quotes and articles, to me it's common sense, my grandparents and parents weren't over weight, America wasn't this obese, now tell me that certain foods out there isn't bad for you? Come on, macros micros, I can care less, I wanna live a long healthy overweight life, yes I said overweight, (5'11 should be 175 because I like the thick look I wanna hit 200) and if my story helps people so be it, but I won't run it at the risk of clogging an artery.
Oh the irony. Good reposte...well presented!
Also what in the name of....are you talking about...if you have to label it then its' not good...now, that's a new one.
Nobody likes labels, that's why all this happens. I had enough, you don't believe me then fine, I wish you all the best, but from relevant past to the present those foods are doing more bad than good. All over media, news, gyms, surprised why gyms never sell Pepsi and snickers? Atleast the ones I've been to never did.
You say people do not like labels, but you are the one making most of them here...'bad food' and 'good food'
I know you are not going to answer, but will ask again (for the umpteenth time as you keep repeating this, but please show/tell us how these foods are detrimental at any dose and in all circumstances...I will wait.
You are getting your 'advice' from what gyms and what they sell, and trying to use that as the basis for your assumptions? Wow.
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deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »I already said I do, something's I just can't help, it's also hard to eat clean when your travelling depending what's around you, but I try, I just don't wanna be one of those guys who turn 50 and have to pop all kinds of meds so I can enjoy cheesecake and red meat. Ripped or fat, heart Attacks and strokes don't care. If a guy can sit there, be over weight and on all kinds of pills, drink nothing but veggie juice and all of health risks vanish then something is working there. I don't think that's movie magic either or *kitten*.
all food has chemicals. so according to your own words you are killing yourself…
I'm a firm believer of "we are a product of our environment and what we consume."
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5 pages ago you said this.deviboy1592 wrote: »Soda is linked to prostate, processed meats to heart disease, diet soda to obesity and a whole slew of problems, look it up. I've been eating pretty clean for the last year and I have seen better results with cutting my gym time in half. Watch all the health nuts on YouTube and body builders. They all Eat and the same thing
Are you going to provide your sources to those claims ?
Been asking for the last 5 pages, as he keeps making these types of claims. Still waiting.0 -
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Oh em gee...someone just googled and grabbed the first things they could find.
I give up - must be a troll.
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Unfortunately, the long timers will reject all of those links because they're not from a peer reviewed study.-2
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Ok, that's what you focused on? I can put more up, but I thought if you were that interested to prove me wrong you would just search your own sources since you know where all the legit answers are.-1 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »Unfortunately, the long timers will reject all of those links because they're not from a peer reviewed study.
Nope - I actually look at links to see if they contain references to studies and what the actual website is - please do not make assumptions.
Honestly, I am getting rather fed up with your dismissals of the 'long timers'.0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »
Ok, that's what you focused on? I can put more up, but I thought if you were that interested to prove me wrong you would just search your own sources since you know where all the legit answers are.
No its not what I focused on - I tried to find the sources of their assertions - there were none.
Please put up ones that actually give links to actual studies - not just an article that can say anything. Context is always important.0 -
Ok, sorry. But all I see on here is anything claimed as a fact must be backed up by a peer reviewed study. People mocked me in another thread for posting a link that I thought was peer reviewed (came from a peer reviewed source, just that the article itself wasn't.)ForecasterJason wrote: »Unfortunately, the long timers will reject all of those links because they're not from a peer reviewed study.
Nope - I actually look at links to see if they contain references to studies and what the actual website is - please do not make assumptions.
Honestly, I am getting rather fed up with your dismissals of the 'long timers'.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, sorry. But all I see on here is anything claimed as a fact must be backed up by a peer reviewed study. People mocked me in another thread for posting a link that I thought was peer reviewed (came from a peer reviewed source, just that the article itself wasn't.)ForecasterJason wrote: »Unfortunately, the long timers will reject all of those links because they're not from a peer reviewed study.
Nope - I actually look at links to see if they contain references to studies and what the actual website is - please do not make assumptions.
Honestly, I am getting rather fed up with your dismissals of the 'long timers'.
If people make assertions that are as fear mongering as have been made here, damn right I am going to want some good evidence to support it. You need to look at the body of evidence. I do not dismiss articles out of hand in general, but you need to consider the source.
For example, Mr No Label (but will label) here is posting a bunch of randomness. We apparently have to work out which assertion he is trying to support. But the biggest issue is the total lack of context that happens when you do not have the support to the 'headlines' in articles. For example "sugar food causes obesity' . If you look at the facts behind the statement, you find a correlation when looking at ad lib eating- which totally makes sense as sugar is calorie dense and is not particularly satiating. It does not actually cause obesity and it is not even relevant when discussing it with people who are tracking their foods (and who are active).
You can pretty much find any claim being amde on the internet, whether it is true or not. Heck, I can create a website and state that The Spice Girls could sing - does not make it true.
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In this situation, I would consider the Fitday and Dailymail articles credible sources, and possibly the blog.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, sorry. But all I see on here is anything claimed as a fact must be backed up by a peer reviewed study. People mocked me in another thread for posting a link that I thought was peer reviewed (came from a peer reviewed source, just that the article itself wasn't.)ForecasterJason wrote: »Unfortunately, the long timers will reject all of those links because they're not from a peer reviewed study.
Nope - I actually look at links to see if they contain references to studies and what the actual website is - please do not make assumptions.
Honestly, I am getting rather fed up with your dismissals of the 'long timers'.
So you accept those links as credible?
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
In this situation, I would consider the Fitday and Dailymail articles credible sources, and possibly the blog.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, sorry. But all I see on here is anything claimed as a fact must be backed up by a peer reviewed study. People mocked me in another thread for posting a link that I thought was peer reviewed (came from a peer reviewed source, just that the article itself wasn't.)ForecasterJason wrote: »Unfortunately, the long timers will reject all of those links because they're not from a peer reviewed study.
Nope - I actually look at links to see if they contain references to studies and what the actual website is - please do not make assumptions.
Honestly, I am getting rather fed up with your dismissals of the 'long timers'.
So you accept those links as credible?
The Daily Mail is credible? Are you familiar with it?
Also, see my comments above re understanding the scope so it can be applied, or not as the case may be.
Extract from the article.
"Young children eating a diet packed with fats, sugar and processed foods consume too few vitamins and nutrients, which means their brains never grow to optimal levels."
‘This doesn’t mean you should never give your child a fizzy drink, chips or pizza, but these foods and drinks shouldn’t dominate the diet,’ she said."
No-one is saying to only eat (or get children to eat) a bunch of food that is low in nutrients. Context and dosage...missing
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
In this situation, I would consider the Fitday and Dailymail articles credible sources, and possibly the blog.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, sorry. But all I see on here is anything claimed as a fact must be backed up by a peer reviewed study. People mocked me in another thread for posting a link that I thought was peer reviewed (came from a peer reviewed source, just that the article itself wasn't.)ForecasterJason wrote: »Unfortunately, the long timers will reject all of those links because they're not from a peer reviewed study.
Nope - I actually look at links to see if they contain references to studies and what the actual website is - please do not make assumptions.
Honestly, I am getting rather fed up with your dismissals of the 'long timers'.
So you accept those links as credible?
The Daily Mail is credible? Are you familiar with it?
Also, see my comments above re understanding the scope so it can be applied, or not as the case may be.
Now miss credible, show me one study that says any type of soda, red meat, chips, pizza that states all the health benefits for people? Must be a reason why their pulling them out of schools? Or why we call cheat days "cheat days".0
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