Tell me again what's wrong with meat?
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Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »Other than the fact that it's the flesh of dead animals? >_>
*the stereotypical vegetarian chiming in*
Nom Nom. Flesh....0 -
People will always find good and bad things about food. I only ever eat fresh & organic meat, to avoid any GM meats.
But it's all about moderation & finding a balanced diet.0 -
bingfit221 wrote: »I attended SCW in Philly (fitness convention) for my CECs last year and sat through a lecture with Bruce Mylrea called "Real Food for Thought" who talked for an hour on how meat will cause cancer. I don't know how much I took away with me on that one but it was still rather intriguing the theory.
I'm pretty sure they say everything causes cancer at this point.
Whatever- I am still going to all you can eat meat at least once a month and I'll eat the hell out of some skirt steak.
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TheVirgoddess wrote: »
For some, they're in denial of what they are. So the fact that something dies in order to have meat, it makes their sparkles a little less sparkly.
I don't have sparkles, but this is absolutely true for me. I can't eat anything containing bones, because it makes me face the reality that I'm eating an animal, and I can't stomach that. I lie to myself all the time. I know I'm in denial, and for this moment I'm okay with it. That probably makes me a terrible person - or a hypocrite at the very least.
I'm guessing one day I won't be okay with it, and I'll stop eating meat.
I tell myself that the cow was born shaped like a steak-it never would have survived in the wild.0 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »
For some, they're in denial of what they are. So the fact that something dies in order to have meat, it makes their sparkles a little less sparkly.
I don't have sparkles, but this is absolutely true for me. I can't eat anything containing bones, because it makes me face the reality that I'm eating an animal, and I can't stomach that. I lie to myself all the time. I know I'm in denial, and for this moment I'm okay with it. That probably makes me a terrible person - or a hypocrite at the very least.
I'm guessing one day I won't be okay with it, and I'll stop eating meat.
You might want to read The Omnivore's Dilemma - fantastic book! For me, it freed me from feeling guilty about eating meat - though that might not be the reaction everyone has. Instead, I am mindful of the meat I eat, where it comes from and how it lived/died. I do my best to buy all of my animal products locally, or to barter with friends who hunt and fish.
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Oh - one other thing - buying local, humanely raised animal products means I eat less of it, but a larger variety. It costs more to raise animals with a conscience - which means my wallet makes me cut back. I'm ok with that. The history of our country has only in the last 50 years or so become so meat centric. 'A chicken in every pot' was a presidential campaign slogan not that long ago, because meat at every meal was the exception, not the rule.0
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the fact that it is literally the flesh of a once living creature
that alone is enough to make it incredibly disgusting0 -
salembambi wrote: »the fact that it is literally the flesh of a once living creature
that alone is enough to make it incredibly disgusting
meh- not living by the time it gets to my face so I'm good.
- technically veggies are living things too before we pick them- just on a different level.
If you were to take that idea to the fullest you couldn't even breath- there are living things everywhere on so many levels.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Archerychickge wrote: »I think you need to take in the consideration of where your meat is sourced as well. Pastured beef (aka grass fed and finished) is way better for your health, the environment and the animal itself. If you are concerned about total consumption, grass fed beef has more nutritional value hands down, than nearly every other protein source. Beef from CAFOs is garbage.
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is a wretched food snob
Natural venison and game meats are even better nutritionally. No cholesterol, no hormones, no antibiotics, no steroids, and 100% naturally fed. No finishing required.
Venison and other game meat has cholesterol. And it's not all 100% naturally fed. Many deer eat from corn feeders put out as bait by hunters, or feed put out in a cow/horse pasture. Small game also eat from the corn feeders, and gardens and bird feeders.
I'm not saying wild game isn't better, I happen to believe it is. But it's not all 100% natural.
BWAHAHAHA.
Funny!0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.0 -
salembambi wrote: »the fact that it is literally the flesh of a once living creature
that alone is enough to make it incredibly disgusting
Why would this be disgusting?
We eat the flesh of plant and animal. It's what made us what we are.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
If that is true, that is bloody amazing.0 -
GingerbreadCandy wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
If that is true, that is bloody amazing.
Back when I worked for a development studio in MA we had a large library of weird stuff like that because our focus was on games with "realistic" animals (zoo tycoon series), and one of our staff members was an animal researcher from Harvard, I think.
We had a bunch of weird stuff. Even weirder though, is I saw that in person while out bass fishing in central MA.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
Well, I never! Seriously, never. That's interesting though.0 -
I generally wish I have a rifle with me and an open tag when I see deer out and about.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
Well, I never! Seriously, never. That's interesting though.
Not this one. It had the devil in it.
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I generally wish I have a rifle with me and an open tag when I see deer out and about.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
Well, I never! Seriously, never. That's interesting though.
Not this one. It had the devil in it.
That's just freaky0 -
I generally wish I have a rifle with me and an open tag when I see deer out and about.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
Well, I never! Seriously, never. That's interesting though.
Not this one. It had the devil in it.
Deer are not the debil. There is nothing inherently evil about deer.
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I generally wish I have a rifle with me and an open tag when I see deer out and about.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
Well, I never! Seriously, never. That's interesting though.
Not this one. It had the devil in it.
This might (read is for sure) morbid, but now I am wondering what that squirrel would have looked like in the deer's stomach once you cut it open...0 -
GingerbreadCandy wrote: »
I generally wish I have a rifle with me and an open tag when I see deer out and about.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
Well, I never! Seriously, never. That's interesting though.
Not this one. It had the devil in it.
This might (read is for sure) morbid, but now I am wondering what that squirrel would have looked like in the deer's stomach once you cut it open...
Mush? I don't make the cheiftain of the pudding clan, so I've never checked gut contents.
It would be interesting no doubt. We also had videos of deer trying to raid bird nests.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
I generally wish I have a rifle with me and an open tag when I see deer out and about.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
Well, I never! Seriously, never. That's interesting though.
Not this one. It had the devil in it.
Deer are not the debil. There is nothing inherently evil about deer.
I bet it had red eyes and antlers made of zinc.0 -
It would be interesting to see who is on the Guidelines committee. Once again this is completely ambiguous and gives no real direction to the american public. Using words like "fewer" just means that current studies say a lot of meat might be bad for you, but we arent exactly sure so it sounds like a good idea for now.0
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GingerbreadCandy wrote: »
I generally wish I have a rifle with me and an open tag when I see deer out and about.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
Well, I never! Seriously, never. That's interesting though.
Not this one. It had the devil in it.
This might (read is for sure) morbid, but now I am wondering what that squirrel would have looked like in the deer's stomach once you cut it open...
Mush? I don't make the cheiftain of the pudding clan, so I've never checked gut contents.
It would be interesting no doubt. We also had videos of deer trying to raid bird nests.
Dunno, I was thinking maybe the fur might still show… and bits of bones. Like owl pellets.
You are seriously starting to convince me that deer are inherently evil. Were they aiming at the eggs or little baby birds?
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corrinetspencer wrote: »In the context of the article, it's all about the serving size. For most meats, a serving size is about 4 oz (113.4 g). But, if you check out the average individual steak sold in a store, you're looking at 6-8 oz (170-226.8 g) or more. Think about what's available for steak cuts at your favorite restaurant-8, 14, 16 oz or more, right? In the US, and I suspect elsewhere, where meat is abundant, proportions are far too large, and meat is also dense in calories, and often in cholesterol. So, that few oz. more actually costs you a lot.
For example, a 4 oz. of sirloin steak, broiled, lean only, no added juice, fat, or spices, is about 134 calories, 14% of your daily cholesterol, and 22.4 g of protein (nearly 1/2 your daily need if you're a woman (46 average sedentary), a little over 1/3 if you're male (56). At 8 oz, the standard restaurant size, you have 268 calories, 28% of your cholesterol, and 44.7 g of protein. So, for a woman, basically their whole daily allotment for protein, but in reality, she's not going to eat just that 8 oz steak. Add it to the rest of the meal and the calories add up fast.
And many people eat chicken because they've been told it's better because it's not red, but when you abuse the portions, it's just as big a punch. 3.5 oz. of chicken is 219 calories, 26% of your cholesterol, and 25g of protein-more protein, 26% of your cholesterol. 3.5 oz is about 1 cup chopped or diced. Once again, think about the average breast sold in stores, and you can see where Americans are getting some extra calories real easy.
I love my meat. My dad even raises our own chickens. But, I measure it, and plan around it accordingly.
I eat 125 gm of protein a day. 44.7 is no where near my daily allotment and I'm only 5ft. And my cholesterol numbers are awesome.0 -
GingerbreadCandy wrote: »GingerbreadCandy wrote: »
I generally wish I have a rifle with me and an open tag when I see deer out and about.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
Well, I never! Seriously, never. That's interesting though.
Not this one. It had the devil in it.
This might (read is for sure) morbid, but now I am wondering what that squirrel would have looked like in the deer's stomach once you cut it open...
Mush? I don't make the cheiftain of the pudding clan, so I've never checked gut contents.
It would be interesting no doubt. We also had videos of deer trying to raid bird nests.
Dunno, I was thinking maybe the fur might still show… and bits of bones. Like owl pellets.
You are seriously starting to convince me that deer are inherently evil. Were they aiming at the eggs or little baby birds?
It could be the egg shells for calcium.0 -
I'm quite sure that cholesterol in meat doesn't impact your cholesterol levels much at all (no matter what my doctor says). So that's pretty much irrelevant.
I guess the guidelines are just because most red meat packs up the calories.0 -
I'm not going to stop eating meat. I eat mostly chicken and turkey, and I only have red meat once in a while. I have decent health (other than being overweight) and have never had high cholesterol or high blood pressure. I also don't have moral issues with eating meat, but I respect people's opinions, and I would hope they could respect mine as well. I really think the "issue" with meat is moderation. American's probably as a whole eat a ton of meat. We are the Hamburger nation lol.0
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These were some videos we got from Harvard research I think, I have no clue what the contents of the nests were. Probably shells for the calcium.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GingerbreadCandy wrote: »GingerbreadCandy wrote: »
I generally wish I have a rifle with me and an open tag when I see deer out and about.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ever see a pig eat a raccoon?johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Ever see a deer eat a squirrel?
Ever see a cow eat a mouse?
I have.
You saw a deer eat a squirrel? Bugs, yeah. But, squirrels?
Yup. Stomped on it until that squirrel stopped moving, then ate it slowly. It's been seen in populations when deer are low in calcium.
Well, I never! Seriously, never. That's interesting though.
Not this one. It had the devil in it.
This might (read is for sure) morbid, but now I am wondering what that squirrel would have looked like in the deer's stomach once you cut it open...
Mush? I don't make the cheiftain of the pudding clan, so I've never checked gut contents.
It would be interesting no doubt. We also had videos of deer trying to raid bird nests.
Dunno, I was thinking maybe the fur might still show… and bits of bones. Like owl pellets.
You are seriously starting to convince me that deer are inherently evil. Were they aiming at the eggs or little baby birds?
It could be the egg shells for calcium.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised by either possibility.0 -
1) Meat is costly
2) Meat is an environmentally unsustainable way to feed the world's population.
3) One of my kids is vegetarian and I'm too lazy to make double meals every night.0
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