Tell me again what's wrong with meat?
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Some of us are adults and have no problems with it.SergeantSausage wrote: »
For some, they're in denial of what they are. So the fact that something dies in order to have meat, it makes their sparkles a little less sparkly.
My sparkles are just fine, thank you. Not an ounce of denial here.
I'm totally happy something can die and give me that giant porterhouse and a couple hundred hamburgers.
Some of us even raise our own, and even hunt our own, doing the denial work all by ourselves, covered in blood and guts and hide and bone.
Some of us have no qualms with the natural order of things dying to feed other things.
The others, buy food in the store where "no animals were harmed."
However, I find it interesting, you immediately believed you were in denial. No need to project, it sounds like you are one of the few doing it right.
Good job.
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A comedy show on the radio last week told me to google 'chicken eating cow' - go ahead and do it!
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lawlifehanna wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »The people who go on about a high meat diet being unsustainable for the human population are right... because the human population is too high and increasing too quickly.
Breed less and eat more steak.
The reason meat is more unsustainable than veggies is that animals eat so much themselves before we can eat them. I was taught in school that the area of field needed to grow enough animal food to produce one meal with steak, could produce up to 100 vegetarian meals. So, growing animals for food isn't very efficient use of land.
Well, maybe. Animals are a lot less fussy about the plants they eat than people. Livestock can graze land that is too sparse to grow food for humans consumption. Sheep and goats in particular can survive on very marginal land like this:
And remember the earth is covered 70% by water. There are few water based plants that are human edible but we can glean many calories from fishing. Some human populations like the Inuit were able to survive in the Artic where there is no arable land at all by harvesting sea animals.
So sometimes eating animals IS the most efficient use of the earth.0 -
peter56765 wrote: »lawlifehanna wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »The people who go on about a high meat diet being unsustainable for the human population are right... because the human population is too high and increasing too quickly.
Breed less and eat more steak.
The reason meat is more unsustainable than veggies is that animals eat so much themselves before we can eat them. I was taught in school that the area of field needed to grow enough animal food to produce one meal with steak, could produce up to 100 vegetarian meals. So, growing animals for food isn't very efficient use of land.
Well, maybe. Animals are a lot less fussy about the plants they eat than people. Livestock can graze land that is too sparse to grow food for humans consumption. Sheep and goats in particular can survive on very marginal land like this:
And remember the earth is covered 70% by water. There are few water based plants that are human edible but we can glean many calories from fishing. Some human populations like the Inuit were able to survive in the Artic where there is no arable land at all by harvesting sea animals.
So sometimes eating animals IS the most efficient use of the earth.
Now I am wondering if you can eat mountain goats. I don't think I'v ever heard of anyone eating those.0 -
peter56765 wrote: »lawlifehanna wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »The people who go on about a high meat diet being unsustainable for the human population are right... because the human population is too high and increasing too quickly.
Breed less and eat more steak.
The reason meat is more unsustainable than veggies is that animals eat so much themselves before we can eat them. I was taught in school that the area of field needed to grow enough animal food to produce one meal with steak, could produce up to 100 vegetarian meals. So, growing animals for food isn't very efficient use of land.
Well, maybe. Animals are a lot less fussy about the plants they eat than people. Livestock can graze land that is too sparse to grow food for humans consumption. Sheep and goats in particular can survive on very marginal land like this:
And remember the earth is covered 70% by water. There are few water based plants that are human edible but we can glean many calories from fishing. Some human populations like the Inuit were able to survive in the Artic where there is no arable land at all by harvesting sea animals.
So sometimes eating animals IS the most efficient use of the earth.
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Not to mention, without livestock there would be no manure. Green manure still takes up water and space that crops could occupy.0 -
salembambi wrote: »the fact that it is literally the flesh of a once living creature
that alone is enough to make it incredibly disgusting
meh- not living by the time it gets to my face so I'm good.
- technically veggies are living things too before we pick them- just on a different level.
If you were to take that idea to the fullest you couldn't even breath- there are living things everywhere on so many levels.
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Eating too much meat has been strongly linked to colon cancer...the question is how much is too much. However, meat also provides a lot of nutrition...things like iron and protein. So it is fair to say there are both benefits and some risks with meat. I eat it every day...mostly chicken. To me, all the benefits I get from the protein outweigh any possible drawbacks. But everybody has to make their own decision on that.0
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peter56765 wrote: »Animals are a lot less fussy about the plants they eat than people. Livestock can graze land that is too sparse to grow food for humans consumption. Sheep and goats in particular can survive on very marginal land like this:
That works great when human population is equally sparse.So sometimes eating animals IS the most efficient use of the earth.
That's a long, long way from "steak for everyone, everyday!"...0 -
Laurend224 wrote: »salembambi wrote: »the fact that it is literally the flesh of a once living creature
that alone is enough to make it incredibly disgusting
Hopefully your makeup does not contain the usual snail secretions, bird poop, foreskin, sheep grease, shark liver oil, etc.
Most vegans are completely informed about what is in makeup and hair products they choose to use.
yup no snail slime or crushed bugs on my face
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Well all I can say is I play hell meeting my protein macro WITH meat. No way I'm even trying without it. You guy have fun with that.0
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Meat is awesome. Just choose the leanest kinds, look for sales and specials, avoid a lot of additives, you know the drill.0
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I don't need the government telling me to eat less red meat. The price tag does that.
But I eat chicken and fish like a fiend and I'm not about to stop.0 -
Everything in moderation. Doing a "meatless Monday" from time to time doesn't hurt. Learning to eat more sustainable proteins is the way to go. Eating locally and sustainably is often more expensive but it is better for the animals, better for the environment (all the emissions of shipping! eeeek!, not to mention deforestation for pasture and packing industry space), and better for you because there is less of a chance of hormones and gross feed being in the final product you consume.0
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There's not a freaking thing wrong with eating meat. "Oh, it causes cancer!" Yards yadda. What doesn't? Plug up your noses, paranoid people. Our polluted air does the same, so we might as well stop breathing.
OVERconsumption of anything is bad. Even water (see: hyponatremia). Meat provides lean proteins and fat when you proportion it according with other nutrient rich foods.
And all you vegans who do it for animal rights, stop eating those poor animals foods! (Lol I'm so kidding there, I respect all people's beliefs and values. Just a little omnivore humor!).
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Th3Ph03n1x wrote: »Well all I can say is I play hell meeting my protein macro WITH meat. No way I'm even trying without it. You guy have fun with that.
Haha no kidding. I'm all for meatless Mondays and all but sheesh, I'd never reach 120g of protein without meat.0 -
I think you need to take in the consideration of where your meat is sourced as well. Pastured beef (aka grass fed and finished) is way better for your health, the environment and the animal itself. If you are concerned about total consumption, grass fed beef has more nutritional value hands down, than nearly every other protein source. Beef from CAFOs is garbage.
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is a wretched food snob
Maybe, but I am a serious carnivore, like I watched that movie that turned everyone else vegan and even the worst scenes made me drool, and I do not eat any meat that isn't from a local organic farmer. The horrible thing about meat is the hormones and antibiotics that the factory farms pump it full of. WHICH don't even kill off the diseases so you have to cook the joy out of it just to make it safe.
I put in for a Kickstarter for a new butcher shop which is all about local sourcing and using the whole animal so I am planning to start trying more organ meats as soon as they open. Om freakin nom nom nom.
Oh my, do I ever get you. There was a show on BBC awhile back called "Kill It, Cook it, Eat It" in the episode I remember best, they had a deer hung from a hook and they skinned it one movement and that had me salivating.... I knew I was and would ever be an unapologetic carnivore.
Link me your Kickstarter, even if you're not local I'll find a way to support you. If you do end up being close, I'm totally first in line. Especially if you can get me a nice elk steak. Nomnom indeed. (Edited, I misunderstood who's Kickstarter it was.)0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »
And... The Lipid Hypothesis is being proven to be crappy science. So there's that.0 -
peter56765 wrote: »Animals are a lot less fussy about the plants they eat than people. Livestock can graze land that is too sparse to grow food for humans consumption. Sheep and goats in particular can survive on very marginal land like this:
That works great when human population is equally sparse.So sometimes eating animals IS the most efficient use of the earth.
That's a long, long way from "steak for everyone, everyday!"...
I never said otherwise. Just pointing out that eating animals is not necessarily a poor use of the earth. Sometimes it is the most efficient use. There is plenty of land today that is only arable because of heavy use of petro-fertilizers. That's not sustainable. For the sea, eating animals from it is the only use we can make use of that 70% of the earth.
Overpopulation is real problem but we're not going to solve by everyone becoming a vegetarian.0 -
peter56765 wrote: »peter56765 wrote: »Animals are a lot less fussy about the plants they eat than people. Livestock can graze land that is too sparse to grow food for humans consumption. Sheep and goats in particular can survive on very marginal land like this:
That works great when human population is equally sparse.So sometimes eating animals IS the most efficient use of the earth.
That's a long, long way from "steak for everyone, everyday!"...
I never said otherwise. Just pointing out that eating animals is not necessarily a poor use of the earth. Sometimes it is the most efficient use. There is plenty of land today that is only arable because of heavy use of petro-fertilizers. That's not sustainable. For the sea, eating animals from it is the only use we can make use of that 70% of the earth.
Overpopulation is real problem but we're not going to solve by everyone becoming a vegetarian.
Well, there are some people who eat a whole lot of meat, for their own reasons. I figure my vegetarianism helps to keep the balance. Or not, who knows?
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I just say to each their own. If you like meat, eat it(in accordance with your macros). If you don't, or don't like the thought of animals dying, then don't.
It's like that video of the little girl that has been circling Facebook. "Worry bout yoself!" 0 -
Nothing... if its grass-fed and organic! LOL!
Otherwise, it can be stuffed full of corn and antibiotics.
But relating to nutrition, there really isn't anything wrong with beef!0 -
peter56765 wrote: »lawlifehanna wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »The people who go on about a high meat diet being unsustainable for the human population are right... because the human population is too high and increasing too quickly.
Breed less and eat more steak.
The reason meat is more unsustainable than veggies is that animals eat so much themselves before we can eat them. I was taught in school that the area of field needed to grow enough animal food to produce one meal with steak, could produce up to 100 vegetarian meals. So, growing animals for food isn't very efficient use of land.
Well, maybe. Animals are a lot less fussy about the plants they eat than people. Livestock can graze land that is too sparse to grow food for humans consumption. Sheep and goats in particular can survive on very marginal land like this:
And remember the earth is covered 70% by water. There are few water based plants that are human edible but we can glean many calories from fishing. Some human populations like the Inuit were able to survive in the Artic where there is no arable land at all by harvesting sea animals.
So sometimes eating animals IS the most efficient use of the earth.
This!
I live in one of those places. Some parts of the land can be easily farmed, and other parts are not good for growing plants for human consumption, but beef cattle thrive.
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salembambi wrote: »salembambi wrote: »the fact that it is literally the flesh of a once living creature
that alone is enough to make it incredibly disgusting
meh- not living by the time it gets to my face so I'm good.
- technically veggies are living things too before we pick them- just on a different level.
If you were to take that idea to the fullest you couldn't even breath- there are living things everywhere on so many levels.
your can of worms honey- you opened it.0 -
same here only fish tends to fall under this category as well.Timorous_Beastie wrote: »I don't need the government telling me to eat less red meat. The price tag does that.
But I eat chicken and fish like a fiend and I'm not about to stop.
I've had really good luck finding discount pork recently.
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It's expensive and hard to find reputable sources... Don't sweat the cholesterol though. It has never been proven that dietary cholesterol actually increases blood cholesterol more than a fraction. It does NOT go right to your arteries and gum them up. The body does not work that way. We've been lied to for 30 years to sell cereals and low fat foods. Anyone here actually loosing weight without starving on a low fat diet? Without any fat and cholesterol, you die.0
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