Tell me again what's wrong with meat?
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Archerychickge wrote: »I think you need to take in the consideration of where your meat is sourced as well. Pastured beef (aka grass fed and finished) is way better for your health, the environment and the animal itself. If you are concerned about total consumption, grass fed beef has more nutritional value hands down, than nearly every other protein source. Beef from CAFOs is garbage.
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Natural venison and game meats are even better nutritionally. No cholesterol, no hormones, no antibiotics, no steroids, and 100% naturally fed. No finishing required.
Venison and other game meat has cholesterol. And it's not all 100% naturally fed. Many deer eat from corn feeders put out as bait by hunters, or feed put out in a cow/horse pasture. Small game also eat from the corn feeders, and gardens and bird feeders.
I'm not saying wild game isn't better, I happen to believe it is. But it's not all 100% natural.
Baiting where I hunt is illegal. I don't bait. I don't hunt deer that live on or around farms either. They are mountain deer that probably have never seen a corn field or any other cultivated field for that matter. It isn't hard to see what a deer has been eating when you open their stomach after you harvest one. You can tell a lot about what your meat will taste like if you do.
Agreed, it's not 100% cholesterol free, but it's a heck of a lot lower than beef or pork.0 -
so. not that anyone has said this here- but does anyone else get confused when people say "I don't eat meat" just fish... or eggs- or chicken.
like- what do you think that is... I don't understand why people say/think meat = red meat and not other dead animal flesh. That confuses me.0 -
so. not that anyone has said this here- but does anyone else get confused when people say "I don't eat meat" just fish... or eggs- or chicken.
like- what do you think that is... I don't understand why people say/think meat = red meat and not other dead animal flesh. That confuses me.
It's some pretty interesting mental gymnastics.
"Gelato's not vegan?!"0 -
Modern humans eat too much of a lot of things so suggesting the cut back on some things is fine with me. As long as its based on actual nutrition and maybe even environmental concerns. If its based on a political agenda then I would have a problem with the recommendations.
I think the RDA for protein is pretty low though. If they are telling us to get even less then they really need to update that.
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so. not that anyone has said this here- but does anyone else get confused when people say "I don't eat meat" just fish... or eggs- or chicken.
like- what do you think that is... I don't understand why people say/think meat = red meat and not other dead animal flesh. That confuses me.
Yeah, this is really weird. I find myself writing posts where I mention meat and feel compelled to explain that I am also including fish, of course. And the "I don't eat meat, just chicken" thing is even more mind boggling. I'm hoping to find someone who will argue that meat includes chicken thighs (dark meat, you know), but not the breasts.0 -
This reminds me of the "let's talk steak" thread dbmata....I am still dreaming about that rib eye... mine came out really good... how did that huge rib eye you were showing everyone come out?? I bet it was tasty. I love meat... I eat a lot of chicken, fish but just crave a nice buffalo steak or rib eye...
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This reminds me of the "let's talk steak" thread dbmata....I am still dreaming about that rib eye... mine came out really good... how did that huge rib eye you were showing everyone come out?? I bet it was tasty. I love meat... I eat a lot of chicken, fish but just crave a nice buffalo steak or rib eye...
I came out well. Er, med rare, so I was pissed. I miscalculated some of the time, but the rest of the menu was good. Sent some folks home very happy.
I'm trying it again this weeend, to get the roast temp right. I'm thinking of getting a wireless thermometer too in order to make it work better time wise.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »so. not that anyone has said this here- but does anyone else get confused when people say "I don't eat meat" just fish... or eggs- or chicken.
like- what do you think that is... I don't understand why people say/think meat = red meat and not other dead animal flesh. That confuses me.
Yeah, this is really weird. I find myself writing posts where I mention meat and feel compelled to explain that I am also including fish, of course. And the "I don't eat meat, just chicken" thing is even more mind boggling. I'm hoping to find someone who will argue that meat includes chicken thighs (dark meat, you know), but not the breasts.
the guy who owns the restaurant where I work said something about not eating meat- and he eats fish all time- chicken too even I think- and then he clarified I think it was only red meat- or maybe just he was an out and out pescetarian- love him- hysterical- but seriously- I was like super baffled- I'm sure I had the most offensive look on my face when he said it and I asked because he took me TOTALLY off guard!!!0 -
johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Animals eat other animals. Usually dead ones.
The diet of a truly free-ranged chicken is....stomach-turning.0 -
Enjoy eating meat while we can people. The way we're destroying this planet we'll be eating Soilent Green in the not to distant future. lol0
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salembambi wrote: »the fact that it is literally the flesh of a once living creature
that alone is enough to make it incredibly disgusting
Hopefully your makeup does not contain the usual snail secretions, bird poop, foreskin, sheep grease, shark liver oil, etc.0 -
Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »Enjoy eating meat while we can people. The way we're destroying this planet we'll be eating Soilent Green in the not to distant future. lol
I was just reading a paper that claims we're at "Peak Farmland" right now. Meaning that going forward we're going to need *less* farmland, not more. Primarily because population growth has fallen off a cliff.
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johnnylakis wrote: »Hormones, Antibiotics, Animal Feed consists of other dead animals (remember mad cow disease?)
Animals eat other animals. Usually dead ones.
The diet of a truly free-ranged chicken is....stomach-turning.
Much like hogs, chickens will eat almost anything.0 -
salembambi wrote: »the fact that it is literally the flesh of a once living creature
that alone is enough to make it incredibly disgusting
Hopefully your makeup does not contain the usual snail secretions, bird poop, foreskin, sheep grease, shark liver oil, etc.
Most vegans are completely informed about what is in makeup and hair products they choose to use.
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Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »Enjoy eating meat while we can people. The way we're destroying this planet we'll be eating Soilent Green in the not to distant future. lol
"Soylent Green is People!". People are meat, so...looks like we'll be good after all, yippee!0 -
I wonder what the RDA recommendations would be WITHOUT the political lobbyists pouring millions and millions into what is actually going to be on these recommendations. As what is published goes out to the entire country and greatly affects what the entire country is "supposed" to eat.0
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Laurend224 wrote: »salembambi wrote: »the fact that it is literally the flesh of a once living creature
that alone is enough to make it incredibly disgusting
Hopefully your makeup does not contain the usual snail secretions, bird poop, foreskin, sheep grease, shark liver oil, etc.
Most vegans are completely informed about what is in makeup and hair products they choose to use.
Thanks, I figured as much.0 -
This reminds me of the "let's talk steak" thread dbmata....I am still dreaming about that rib eye... mine came out really good... how did that huge rib eye you were showing everyone come out?? I bet it was tasty. I love meat... I eat a lot of chicken, fish but just crave a nice buffalo steak or rib eye...
I came out well. Er, med rare, so I was pissed. I miscalculated some of the time, but the rest of the menu was good. Sent some folks home very happy.
I'm trying it again this weeend, to get the roast temp right. I'm thinking of getting a wireless thermometer too in order to make it work better time wise.
I love Med Rare! If I dont see blood then I won't eat it.
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I love meat.
And ethnically, the seafood and poultry industry really aren't at all good enough to justify it. ( unless you catch / raise yourself). There's also people that don't view fish as animals for some silly reason.so. not that anyone has said this here- but does anyone else get confused when people say "I don't eat meat" just fish... or eggs- or chicken.
like- what do you think that is... I don't understand why people say/think meat = red meat and not other dead animal flesh. That confuses me.
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Mmmm steak.0
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This reminds me of the "let's talk steak" thread dbmata....I am still dreaming about that rib eye... mine came out really good... how did that huge rib eye you were showing everyone come out?? I bet it was tasty. I love meat... I eat a lot of chicken, fish but just crave a nice buffalo steak or rib eye...
I came out well. Er, med rare, so I was pissed. I miscalculated some of the time, but the rest of the menu was good. Sent some folks home very happy.
I'm trying it again this weeend, to get the roast temp right. I'm thinking of getting a wireless thermometer too in order to make it work better time wise.
I love Med Rare! If I dont see blood then I won't eat it.
I pulled at 131, I was shooting for 125 or so to pull it, so I borked up.0 -
1) Meat is costly
2) Meat is an environmentally unsustainable way to feed the world's population.
3) One of my kids is vegetarian and I'm too lazy to make double meals every night.
Both are unsustainable alone. When you repeatedly plant in the same soil year after year you deplete it. The most sustainable method is to raise both livestock and vegetation and if done right they help sustain each other.
The other two arguments I agree with.0 -
spacequiztime wrote: »I love meat.
And ethnically, the seafood and poultry industry really aren't at all good enough to justify it. ( unless you catch / raise yourself). There's also people that don't view fish as animals for some silly reason.so. not that anyone has said this here- but does anyone else get confused when people say "I don't eat meat" just fish... or eggs- or chicken.
like- what do you think that is... I don't understand why people say/think meat = red meat and not other dead animal flesh. That confuses me.
Fish aren't cute.0 -
I think you need to take in the consideration of where your meat is sourced as well. Pastured beef (aka grass fed and finished) is way better for your health, the environment and the animal itself. If you are concerned about total consumption, grass fed beef has more nutritional value hands down, than nearly every other protein source. Beef from CAFOs is garbage.
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is a wretched food snob
Maybe, but I am a serious carnivore, like I watched that movie that turned everyone else vegan and even the worst scenes made me drool, and I do not eat any meat that isn't from a local organic farmer. The horrible thing about meat is the hormones and antibiotics that the factory farms pump it full of. WHICH don't even kill off the diseases so you have to cook the joy out of it just to make it safe.
I put in for a Kickstarter for a new butcher shop which is all about local sourcing and using the whole animal so I am planning to start trying more organ meats as soon as they open. Om freakin nom nom nom.
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a kickstarter for that ? >_<0
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salembambi wrote: »the fact that it is literally the flesh of a once living creature
that alone is enough to make it incredibly disgusting
Shrimp taste better when they're still alive. But I wouldn't go so far as to call the dead ones "disgusting". Just a little stale.
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a kickstarter for that ? >_<
They had been doing a monthly box for a while, the kickstarter was to open a storefront. So like deposit/remodeling/licensing/etc. They delivered my sausage-sampler reward already when the opening got delayed...it was delicious. And I get my name on the wall of the shop. I am very important, you know.
Looks like their website is down but here's their FB: https://www.facebook.com/HeartandTrotterButchery
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I put in for a Kickstarter for a new butcher shop which is all about local sourcing and using the whole animal so I am planning to start trying more organ meats as soon as they open. Om freakin nom nom nom.
This is one thing we could be doing to make things even better. For some reason in the US we are so squeamish about the eating of organ meats, blood, or anything besides the "normal" cuts. The sheer amount of goodness we waste from each animal is sad. If we really wanted to be awesome, we would change our mindsets about what parts we should eat.0 -
Nothing is wrong with meat (in moderation - though I find the cap for that is pretty high). I've been missing meat a lot recently, I still eat it but on a student budget I can't buy the organic stuff more than once in a blue moon and just can't justify the caged ones even after staring longingly at how much protein they have in them. Quorn really isn't the same...
Though if the guidelines are suggesting less meat just because it can have a lot of calories if you eat a lot of it... isn't that rather moot? There's nothing about the meat itself that needs to be capped, just that it plays by the same rules of too many calories = weight gain as everything else.
The article mentioned also talks about lessening salt restrictions which is nice if unexpected, and they even mention how little evidence the current guidelines have, but I find it funny they start off with stating factually how bad it is for you anyway.0
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