Confession Time! ((ABSOLUTELY NO JUDGEMENT))
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rungirl1973 wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »Italian_Buju wrote: »I ad match and coupon every week. There are only a handful of things I will pay full price for. Hence the stock pile, that way I never pay full price by having enough to last me the sale cycles.
Just in case you don't get into other threads on here wanted to let you know that there is now a limited edition Pumpkin Pie Quest Bar.
I bought a box at GNC today & they're 220 calories.
I bought a box on Amazon a couple days ago. They should be here soon!!!
I laughed when the lady at GNC told me they were shipped in a special box & she said they had no idea what was in the box. She said on the box it said open this box & get terminated. Quest is serious about their limited edition products.
Apparently some posters in another thread said Quest changed their recipe & the bars don't taste the same. I must have some of the old bars, because I haven't noticed a taste change yet. Then again the only two bars I usually eat are Cookie Dough & White Chocolate Raspberry.
I work in 3rd party logistics. One of our customers is Apple. The amount of security around the new iPhones shipped to our buildings before they're released is CRAZY!
I remember a colleague worked for a company that shipped out the Harry Potter books as they were released, too. Crazy amount of security around that, too.
We have crazy security building up right now for Primate Animal Liberation Week....I'm SO not looking forward to it. New commissioned officers coming in and stepping all over our turf. But we've heard some chatter and it's well warranted and we're fearing for our animals. It must be done for the safety of our animals! I will protect them, not that they are not capable of defending themselves....Chimps are scary.0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »I am getting ready to head out for the weekend. I am sure I won't log faithfully, but I will log what I can. I am still seriously considering doing the challenge on Bodybuilding.com that quiksylver is doing. If I think I am up to it. I gotta start somewhere. Besides, those before pics I took should be enough motivation to never look this way again.
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
ETA: It has really given me a mental jumpstart. I've been spot on with eating and exercise and I'm down 4.6 pounds in 8 days...
This would scare me into binging...if I lose too fast, I get scared and overeat. Generally, on potato chips.
ETA: typing is difficult today....0 -
petunia773 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »I'm at a stand still losing weight I was using the scale weight all the time and yesterday
someone told me to subtract 2 lbs for shoes and clothes weight it made me feel better again.
I've been working hard for 6 months and watching my food intake for at least 3 to
4 months I was getting discouraged with not loosing any weight but losing inches
I can tell but I'm obsessed with losing weight just my rant I feel better now thank you.
Weigh yourself naked. Takes care of that problem! I weigh first thing in the morning, before I eat, after I pee, naked. That's how I'm most sure I'm getting as accurate of a reading as possible.
^^^This!!! It's even better if I can poo along with pee in the morning right away! TMI...I know.
Yup! I always hate when I weigh myself in the morning after I've peed & ate breakfast & then I have to poop. In my head I'm always thinking that could've been another couple ounces or a 1/2 pound.0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »I am getting ready to head out for the weekend. I am sure I won't log faithfully, but I will log what I can. I am still seriously considering doing the challenge on Bodybuilding.com that quiksylver is doing. If I think I am up to it. I gotta start somewhere. Besides, those before pics I took should be enough motivation to never look this way again.
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
ETA: It has really given me a mental jumpstart. I've been spot on with eating and exercise and I'm down 4.6 pounds in 8 days...
Those before pics I took made throw up in my mouth a little. It was a real eye opener. I will make the rest of October my sober October starting Sunday.0 -
I confess I hit my snooze alarm three times today, & so don't want to go to work.0
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kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »petunia773 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »I'm at a stand still losing weight I was using the scale weight all the time and yesterday
someone told me to subtract 2 lbs for shoes and clothes weight it made me feel better again.
I've been working hard for 6 months and watching my food intake for at least 3 to
4 months I was getting discouraged with not loosing any weight but losing inches
I can tell but I'm obsessed with losing weight just my rant I feel better now thank you.
Weigh yourself naked. Takes care of that problem! I weigh first thing in the morning, before I eat, after I pee, naked. That's how I'm most sure I'm getting as accurate of a reading as possible.
^^^This!!! It's even better if I can poo along with pee in the morning right away! TMI...I know.
Yup! I always hate when I weigh myself in the morning after I've peed & ate breakfast & then I have to poop. In my head I'm always thinking that could've been another couple ounces or a 1/2 pound.
^^
Oh so much this!
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quiksylver296 wrote: »I am getting ready to head out for the weekend. I am sure I won't log faithfully, but I will log what I can. I am still seriously considering doing the challenge on Bodybuilding.com that quiksylver is doing. If I think I am up to it. I gotta start somewhere. Besides, those before pics I took should be enough motivation to never look this way again.
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
ETA: It has really given me a mental jumpstart. I've been spot on with eating and exercise and I'm down 4.6 pounds in 8 days...
Those before pics I took made throw up in my mouth a little. It was a real eye opener. I will make the rest of October my sober October starting Sunday.
I totally understand. Did you post them on bodybuilding.com?0 -
kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »I confess I hit my snooze alarm three times today, & so don't want to go to work.
I do this almost everyday
I feel your pain 0 -
Samekellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »I confess I hit my snooze alarm three times today, & so don't want to go to work.
I do this almost everyday I feel your pain
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lilaclovebird wrote: »rungirl1973 wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »Italian_Buju wrote: »I ad match and coupon every week. There are only a handful of things I will pay full price for. Hence the stock pile, that way I never pay full price by having enough to last me the sale cycles.
Just in case you don't get into other threads on here wanted to let you know that there is now a limited edition Pumpkin Pie Quest Bar.
I bought a box at GNC today & they're 220 calories.
I bought a box on Amazon a couple days ago. They should be here soon!!!
I laughed when the lady at GNC told me they were shipped in a special box & she said they had no idea what was in the box. She said on the box it said open this box & get terminated. Quest is serious about their limited edition products.
Apparently some posters in another thread said Quest changed their recipe & the bars don't taste the same. I must have some of the old bars, because I haven't noticed a taste change yet. Then again the only two bars I usually eat are Cookie Dough & White Chocolate Raspberry.
I work in 3rd party logistics. One of our customers is Apple. The amount of security around the new iPhones shipped to our buildings before they're released is CRAZY!
I remember a colleague worked for a company that shipped out the Harry Potter books as they were released, too. Crazy amount of security around that, too.
We have crazy security building up right now for Primate Animal Liberation Week....I'm SO not looking forward to it. New commissioned officers coming in and stepping all over our turf. But we've heard some chatter and it's well warranted and we're fearing for our animals. It must be done for the safety of our animals! I will protect them, not that they are not capable of defending themselves....Chimps are scary.
I hope your week goes well. People who go to extremes seem to lose all rational thought and compassion for anything but their view. Stay safe. Hugs..
And, yes, Chimps are scary!0 -
spacequiztime wrote: »
Samekellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »I confess I hit my snooze alarm three times today, & so don't want to go to work.
I do this almost everyday I feel your pain
I set two different alarms for 15 minutes apart so I get the satisfaction of turning the first one OFF (not JUST snooze), so that I'm okay getting out of bed when the second one goes off. They're different sounds so I don't accidentally turn off the wrong one.
I also can't snooze much since I get up, get ready, and leave for work before Dave even gets up. Not very nice to keep waking somebody else up too.
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lilaclovebird wrote: »rungirl1973 wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »Italian_Buju wrote: »I ad match and coupon every week. There are only a handful of things I will pay full price for. Hence the stock pile, that way I never pay full price by having enough to last me the sale cycles.
Just in case you don't get into other threads on here wanted to let you know that there is now a limited edition Pumpkin Pie Quest Bar.
I bought a box at GNC today & they're 220 calories.
I bought a box on Amazon a couple days ago. They should be here soon!!!
I laughed when the lady at GNC told me they were shipped in a special box & she said they had no idea what was in the box. She said on the box it said open this box & get terminated. Quest is serious about their limited edition products.
Apparently some posters in another thread said Quest changed their recipe & the bars don't taste the same. I must have some of the old bars, because I haven't noticed a taste change yet. Then again the only two bars I usually eat are Cookie Dough & White Chocolate Raspberry.
I work in 3rd party logistics. One of our customers is Apple. The amount of security around the new iPhones shipped to our buildings before they're released is CRAZY!
I remember a colleague worked for a company that shipped out the Harry Potter books as they were released, too. Crazy amount of security around that, too.
We have crazy security building up right now for Primate Animal Liberation Week....I'm SO not looking forward to it. New commissioned officers coming in and stepping all over our turf. But we've heard some chatter and it's well warranted and we're fearing for our animals. It must be done for the safety of our animals! I will protect them, not that they are not capable of defending themselves....Chimps are scary.
No judgment meant. but do you work at a lab that does animal testing?0 -
marissafit06 wrote: »lilaclovebird wrote: »rungirl1973 wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »Italian_Buju wrote: »I ad match and coupon every week. There are only a handful of things I will pay full price for. Hence the stock pile, that way I never pay full price by having enough to last me the sale cycles.
Just in case you don't get into other threads on here wanted to let you know that there is now a limited edition Pumpkin Pie Quest Bar.
I bought a box at GNC today & they're 220 calories.
I bought a box on Amazon a couple days ago. They should be here soon!!!
I laughed when the lady at GNC told me they were shipped in a special box & she said they had no idea what was in the box. She said on the box it said open this box & get terminated. Quest is serious about their limited edition products.
Apparently some posters in another thread said Quest changed their recipe & the bars don't taste the same. I must have some of the old bars, because I haven't noticed a taste change yet. Then again the only two bars I usually eat are Cookie Dough & White Chocolate Raspberry.
I work in 3rd party logistics. One of our customers is Apple. The amount of security around the new iPhones shipped to our buildings before they're released is CRAZY!
I remember a colleague worked for a company that shipped out the Harry Potter books as they were released, too. Crazy amount of security around that, too.
We have crazy security building up right now for Primate Animal Liberation Week....I'm SO not looking forward to it. New commissioned officers coming in and stepping all over our turf. But we've heard some chatter and it's well warranted and we're fearing for our animals. It must be done for the safety of our animals! I will protect them, not that they are not capable of defending themselves....Chimps are scary.
No judgment meant. but do you work at a lab that does animal testing?
I work for MD Anderson Cancer Center. Yes, we test on animals. We also care for animals that are abandoned or sick. It's how we've received the majority of our Chimpanzees in our colony.
We also house one of the largest colonies of Rhesus Macaques to be tested clean of the Herpes B virus. We research and house Squirrel Monkeys, Owl Monkeys, Rhesus Macaques, Mice, and Chimps.
The Chimps are used strictly for behavioral studies and that happens very infrequently. One of our researchers, Susan Pavonetti just won an award from the American Society of Primatologists for her work in helping to understand and heal Chimps that have gone through extensive trauma before coming to the Keeling Center.
We have Chimps that were pets, some that were circus entertainers, and some that had been used for extensive testing. We house, I believe, around 140 Chimps at this time. They all have their specific social groups, they all have names, they each, individually, have their own quality of life committee, and when enough spaces are open, we move an entire social group to Chimp Haven if they are eligible.
We did this a few months back, with Hugo's group, and while it was a sad goodbye, we knew they would be in a good place where they could live out the rest of their lives. Some of us wish they could all go there, but there isn't enough room in Chimp Haven and some of our Chimps require direct human contact for treatments of some of the diseases given to them by other facilities.
Every animal attendant is REQUIRED to learn EVERY Chimps name and face. If you cannot recognize each one within the first two weeks, you're fired. If you work in the Keeling Center, even as a contractor, and you do not receive your 'Chimp Training' for how to deal with a Chimp on excursion, within 3 DAYS of obtaining employment, you're fired. We take their care and safety very seriously.
I do not mind that the facility I work at tests on animals because most of my family has died because of cancer. My mother was one of 10 siblings and there is only her and my Uncle left. My uncle is the oldest at 62. The average life expectancy for women in my family, thanks to cancer, is age 44.
In addition, I see how these animals are cared for everyday and the efforts we make to educate the public as well as students from other educational facilities. We regularly get tours in from schools and universities.
If you feel like taking a vacation in April, we do an open house where you can see some of the animals, where we house them, and hear about some of the hard work that we do here.
I LOVE animals, truly I do. But I take more issue with fur farms and puppy mills than a facility like ours that tests on animals to find cures for diseases like diabetes, cancer, HIV, and Ebola.0 -
lilaclovebird wrote: »marissafit06 wrote: »lilaclovebird wrote: »rungirl1973 wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »Italian_Buju wrote: »I ad match and coupon every week. There are only a handful of things I will pay full price for. Hence the stock pile, that way I never pay full price by having enough to last me the sale cycles.
Just in case you don't get into other threads on here wanted to let you know that there is now a limited edition Pumpkin Pie Quest Bar.
I bought a box at GNC today & they're 220 calories.
I bought a box on Amazon a couple days ago. They should be here soon!!!
I laughed when the lady at GNC told me they were shipped in a special box & she said they had no idea what was in the box. She said on the box it said open this box & get terminated. Quest is serious about their limited edition products.
Apparently some posters in another thread said Quest changed their recipe & the bars don't taste the same. I must have some of the old bars, because I haven't noticed a taste change yet. Then again the only two bars I usually eat are Cookie Dough & White Chocolate Raspberry.
I work in 3rd party logistics. One of our customers is Apple. The amount of security around the new iPhones shipped to our buildings before they're released is CRAZY!
I remember a colleague worked for a company that shipped out the Harry Potter books as they were released, too. Crazy amount of security around that, too.
We have crazy security building up right now for Primate Animal Liberation Week....I'm SO not looking forward to it. New commissioned officers coming in and stepping all over our turf. But we've heard some chatter and it's well warranted and we're fearing for our animals. It must be done for the safety of our animals! I will protect them, not that they are not capable of defending themselves....Chimps are scary.
No judgment meant. but do you work at a lab that does animal testing?
I work for MD Anderson Cancer Center. Yes, we test on animals. We also care for animals that are abandoned or sick. It's how we've received the majority of our Chimpanzees in our colony.
We also house one of the largest colonies of Rhesus Macaques to be tested clean of the Herpes B virus. We research and house Squirrel Monkeys, Owl Monkeys, Rhesus Macaques, Mice, and Chimps.
The Chimps are used strictly for behavioral studies and that happens very infrequently. One of our researchers, Susan Pavonetti just won an award from the American Society of Primatologists for her work in helping to understand and heal Chimps that have gone through extensive trauma before coming to the Keeling Center.
We have Chimps that were pets, some that were circus entertainers, and some that had been used for extensive testing. We house, I believe, around 140 Chimps at this time. They all have their specific social groups, they all have names, they each, individually, have their own quality of life committee, and when enough spaces are open, we move an entire social group to Chimp Haven if they are eligible.
We did this a few months back, with Hugo's group, and while it was a sad goodbye, we knew they would be in a good place where they could live out the rest of their lives. Some of us wish they could all go there, but there isn't enough room in Chimp Haven and some of our Chimps require direct human contact for treatments of some of the diseases given to them by other facilities.
Every animal attendant is REQUIRED to learn EVERY Chimps name and face. If you cannot recognize each one within the first two weeks, you're fired. If you work in the Keeling Center, even as a contractor, and you do not receive your 'Chimp Training' for how to deal with a Chimp on excursion, within 3 DAYS of obtaining employment, you're fired. We take their care and safety very seriously.
I do not mind that the facility I work at tests on animals because most of my family has died because of cancer. My mother was one of 10 siblings and there is only her and my Uncle left. My uncle is the oldest at 62. The average life expectancy for women in my family, thanks to cancer, is age 44.
In addition, I see how these animals are cared for everyday and the efforts we make to educate the public as well as students from other educational facilities. We regularly get tours in from schools and universities.
If you feel like taking a vacation in April, we do an open house where you can see some of the animals, where we house them, and hear about some of the hard work that we do here.
I LOVE animals, truly I do. But I take more issue with fur farms and puppy mills than a facility like ours that tests on animals to find cures for diseases like diabetes, cancer, HIV, and Ebola.
I'm sorry to hear that. That's a really tough reality to face.
I really wasn't trying to bait you with the question, I was just curious. Animal testing is a complicated issue. I do have my own views, but I realize its easy to take issue with using animals in that manner on one hand but still want to benefit from the results of the research on the other hand.
I do appreciate the time you took to answer the question. It does sound like all efforts are made to care for the animals within the facility's with respect.0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »I am getting ready to head out for the weekend. I am sure I won't log faithfully, but I will log what I can. I am still seriously considering doing the challenge on Bodybuilding.com that quiksylver is doing. If I think I am up to it. I gotta start somewhere. Besides, those before pics I took should be enough motivation to never look this way again.
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
ETA: It has really given me a mental jumpstart. I've been spot on with eating and exercise and I'm down 4.6 pounds in 8 days...
Those before pics I took made throw up in my mouth a little. It was a real eye opener. I will make the rest of October my sober October starting Sunday.
I totally understand. Did you post them on bodybuilding.com?
Yes, they are under my profile there. I don't think I could completely make them private although I sure tried!!0 -
9am on Monday and I am ready to go home and go back to bed. I think I have bronchitis. I am going to call and see if I can get in at my doctor's office today or tomorrow. I am just not shaking this cough and the powers that be won't give me my flu shot while I am sick. Ugh...
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MelissaPhippsFeagins wrote: »9am on Monday and I am ready to go home and go back to bed. I think I have bronchitis. I am going to call and see if I can get in at my doctor's office today or tomorrow. I am just not shaking this cough and the powers that be won't give me my flu shot while I am sick. Ugh...
Feel better
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quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »I am getting ready to head out for the weekend. I am sure I won't log faithfully, but I will log what I can. I am still seriously considering doing the challenge on Bodybuilding.com that quiksylver is doing. If I think I am up to it. I gotta start somewhere. Besides, those before pics I took should be enough motivation to never look this way again.
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
ETA: It has really given me a mental jumpstart. I've been spot on with eating and exercise and I'm down 4.6 pounds in 8 days...
Those before pics I took made throw up in my mouth a little. It was a real eye opener. I will make the rest of October my sober October starting Sunday.
I totally understand. Did you post them on bodybuilding.com?
Yes, they are under my profile there. I don't think I could completely make them private although I sure tried!!
Wow! Good job! Go, you!0 -
Definitely. I'm sorry to hear about your family's history with cancer and hope liberation week isn't too bad. Bad activists can ruin things for everyone, especially for their movement.lilaclovebird wrote: »I LOVE animals, truly I do. But I take more issue with fur farms and puppy mills than a facility like ours that tests on animals to find cures for diseases like diabetes, cancer, HIV, and Ebola.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »I am getting ready to head out for the weekend. I am sure I won't log faithfully, but I will log what I can. I am still seriously considering doing the challenge on Bodybuilding.com that quiksylver is doing. If I think I am up to it. I gotta start somewhere. Besides, those before pics I took should be enough motivation to never look this way again.
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
ETA: It has really given me a mental jumpstart. I've been spot on with eating and exercise and I'm down 4.6 pounds in 8 days...
Those before pics I took made throw up in my mouth a little. It was a real eye opener. I will make the rest of October my sober October starting Sunday.
I totally understand. Did you post them on bodybuilding.com?
Yes, they are under my profile there. I don't think I could completely make them private although I sure tried!!
Wow! Good job! Go, you!
You guys are both awesome! Keep us updated on your progress.0 -
kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »Italian_Buju wrote: »Susieq_1994 wrote: »kellienw335 wrote: »Okay I can't lie guys- compared to the jawbone UP the Fitbit really doesn't measure up I gained 30 steps driving home from work and the last hour or so I've gained many from moving my arms and j was sitting! This sucks, I'd much rather have a device that gyped me on steps than giving me more I didn't take
I haven't switched yet because I don't want to spend the money. It seems like you're having alot of problems with it.
Not a lot of problems, it's just different you know? I will say I do prefer the UP for step reliability but I refuse to give this band up now that I'm part of a lot of different challenges I couldn't be when I had the UP. It's a give and take kind of thing
Just so you know, Fitbit does cheat you out of steps here and there. I've found that it pretty much evens out overall, unless you're constantly rapidly swinging your arms around.
And 100 extra steps is only around five calories, anyway. Don't sweat it! 
THIS
When I first got mine, I watched a video of a guy that wore one for a day and manually counted his steps to check accuracy. It was a differences of less than 100 steps. When your step count is 10k + steps it does not make a difference, and if your step count is less, the difference is gonna be less. Yes, you might get a few extra steps while driving or folding laundry, but you get ones that are not counted when you are carrying a bag, or pushing a shopping cart, so it evens out in the end.
If I am shopping or at work pushing back my customer defects (when I work at service desk) I usually push the cart with one hand so I can try & get some steps in.
Me too!0 -
MelissaPhippsFeagins wrote: »9am on Monday and I am ready to go home and go back to bed. I think I have bronchitis. I am going to call and see if I can get in at my doctor's office today or tomorrow. I am just not shaking this cough and the powers that be won't give me my flu shot while I am sick. Ugh...
Oh no. Sorry you are so sick. Get well soon!0 -
Definitely time to push the envelope on getting the exercise done and the diet cleaned and tightened up. It doesn't help when folks bring outside foods like cheesecake, but I resisted, a little and opted for a very small slice of bundt cake. I started my #soberoctober yesterday, since I knew I would have some drinks over the weekend. I have two cookoffs and the Gritty Goddess this month, but I believe I can do these without alcohol.0
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MelissaPhippsFeagins wrote: »9am on Monday and I am ready to go home and go back to bed. I think I have bronchitis. I am going to call and see if I can get in at my doctor's office today or tomorrow. I am just not shaking this cough and the powers that be won't give me my flu shot while I am sick. Ugh...
Feel better!0 -
MelissaPhippsFeagins wrote: »9am on Monday and I am ready to go home and go back to bed. I think I have bronchitis. I am going to call and see if I can get in at my doctor's office today or tomorrow. I am just not shaking this cough and the powers that be won't give me my flu shot while I am sick. Ugh...
I hope you're feeling better!!0 -
kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »I am getting ready to head out for the weekend. I am sure I won't log faithfully, but I will log what I can. I am still seriously considering doing the challenge on Bodybuilding.com that quiksylver is doing. If I think I am up to it. I gotta start somewhere. Besides, those before pics I took should be enough motivation to never look this way again.
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
ETA: It has really given me a mental jumpstart. I've been spot on with eating and exercise and I'm down 4.6 pounds in 8 days...
Those before pics I took made throw up in my mouth a little. It was a real eye opener. I will make the rest of October my sober October starting Sunday.
I totally understand. Did you post them on bodybuilding.com?
Yes, they are under my profile there. I don't think I could completely make them private although I sure tried!!
Wow! Good job! Go, you!
You guys are both awesome! Keep us updated on your progress.
Definitely this @quiksylver296 and @crosbylee !!! You ladies are awesome! SUPER GREAT!!0 -
MelissaPhippsFeagins wrote: »9am on Monday and I am ready to go home and go back to bed. I think I have bronchitis. I am going to call and see if I can get in at my doctor's office today or tomorrow. I am just not shaking this cough and the powers that be won't give me my flu shot while I am sick. Ugh...
UGH. Get better soon. Hugs0 -
Antibiotics, prednisone, and an additional allergy medicine. Ugh...I hope it all works.0
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I hope your night isn't too bad.MelissaPhippsFeagins wrote: »Antibiotics, prednisone, and an additional allergy medicine. Ugh...I hope it all works.
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MelissaPhippsFeagins wrote: »Antibiotics, prednisone, and an additional allergy medicine. Ugh...I hope it all works.
I'm sorry! Hope you feel better very soon. Lots of rest and fluids! 0
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