Help me solve an argument with my friend
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This is MFP dude. As long as there are people saying x food is evil there will be war amongst users.
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ogmomma2012 wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »capriqueen wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »Natural protein is good... But protein from shakes or bars has a ridiculous amount of sugar. Best stick to natural protein.
I make my own protein shakes from protein powder. Each scoop has 4 g of carbohydrate and no sugar.
My point still stands. You need natural food protein. Protein powder has ingredients which you've never even heard of and most likely can't even spell . Just eat natural protein like fish, cheese, yoghurt etc.
Just being nit-picky, but have you looked up the chemical composition of a blueberry? MANY words that are hard to pronounce. For a single blueberry.
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This is why CHOCOLATE!0
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capriqueen wrote: »Then he said if I want to lose weight I should not be eating eggs because eggs make you fat! I told him eggs don't make us fat, it's the excess calories that make us fat, to which he retorts, protein right after a workout can cause muscles to form. At this point I just lost it.
And the problem is... ?
I put a fair bit of work into causing muscles to form, including a nice protein shake right after my workout. And, FWIW, I'd have to eat about 300 g of Greek yogurt to get the same amount of protein as my shake provides, no way I could gag that down in the morning.
I've heard eggs get a bad rap for high cholesterol for many years but never for making people fat, that's a new one.
OP, you are right. Your friend is misinformed.0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »capriqueen wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »Natural protein is good... But protein from shakes or bars has a ridiculous amount of sugar. Best stick to natural protein.
I make my own protein shakes from protein powder. Each scoop has 4 g of carbohydrate and no sugar.
My point still stands. You need natural food protein. Protein powder has ingredients which you've never even heard of and most likely can't even spell . Just eat natural protein like fish, cheese, yoghurt etc.
Just being nit-picky, but have you looked up the chemical composition of a blueberry? MANY words that are hard to pronounce. For a single blueberry.
Oh for the love of science, sugar is the 2nd ingredient! Better not eat it.
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ogmomma2012 wrote: »Just being nit-picky, but have you looked up the chemical composition of a blueberry? MANY words that are hard to pronounce. For a single blueberry.
LOL so true! This reminds me of the study that showed that 80% of Americans would support mandatory labelling of DNA in food.
There really is no cure for stupid.Liftng4Lis wrote: »This is why CHOCOLATE!
Chocolate needs no why. Chocolate is awesome.0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »Just being nit-picky, but have you looked up the chemical composition of a blueberry? MANY words that are hard to pronounce. For a single blueberry.
LOL so true! This reminds me of the study that showed that 80% of Americans would support mandatory labelling of DNA in food.
There really is no cure for stupid.Liftng4Lis wrote: »This is why CHOCOLATE!
Chocolate needs no why. Chocolate is awesome.
I saw this thing where people were signing a petition to ban di-hydrogen monoxide (water) because you can over-dose on it and even die, and it's in everything! 0 -
capriqueen wrote: »Then he said if I want to lose weight I should not be eating eggs because eggs make you fat! I told him eggs don't make us fat, it's the excess calories that make us fat, to which he retorts, protein right after a workout can cause muscles to form. At this point I just lost it.
And the problem is... ?
I put a fair bit of work into causing muscles to form, including a nice protein shake right after my workout. And, FWIW, I'd have to eat about 300 g of Greek yogurt to get the same amount of protein as my shake provides, no way I could gag that down in the morning.
I've heard eggs get a bad rap for high cholesterol for many years but never for making people fat, that's a new one.
OP, you are right. Your friend is misinformed.
I WISH protein right after my workout somehow magically made my muscles form, because I WANT to have more muscle. Stupid being-in-a-deficit thing, I just want to bulk nooooow
Gah, cutting is a necessary evil. 0 -
OP, if you're cutting calories, you want more protein to preserve the lean mass you already have. You will probably form very little, if any, new muscle. (The formation of new muscle is a big part of why there's a GAINING weight board here.)
Your friend is a moron. To be honest, his nutritional guidance isn't even the most offensive part of what you've relayed to us. If he's trying to shame or police your body, kick him to the curb.
BTW Eggs are pretty much the best food for a dieter (I'll fight anyone who disagrees). They're about 75 calories a piece and are packed with vitamins, fats, and protein. I love them.0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »I saw this thing where people were signing a petition to ban di-hydrogen monoxide (water) because you can over-dose on it and even die, and it's in everything!
Yeah I remember that. It started as an April Fool's prank, didn't it? And it spread like crazy, and I believe this was back in the 80s, which proves that stupidity existed even before the internet.0 -
Daaamn. wasn't expecting THAT to happen lol.OP: Eggs don't make you fat. I don't eat alot of meat but i do eat natural foods and i do have a protein shake a day. I do what is right for me and it's all about learning what can and canmot do in regards to your own health. Good luck.
Everyone else if you stay on track with your posts to whats being asked without getting heated it would be more helpful to anyone new to this lifestyle.
This is MFP dude. As long as there are people saying x food is evil there will be war amongst users.
cause people really really seem to love to argue on here.0 -
capriqueen wrote: »Then he said if I want to lose weight I should not be eating eggs because eggs make you fat! I told him eggs don't make us fat, it's the excess calories that make us fat, to which he retorts, protein right after a workout can cause muscles to form. At this point I just lost it.
Love this part, I can imagine a Monty python sketch or Marx brothers, having a mass brawl over eating eggs, throwing protein powder in his face and cracking eggs over his head (please tell us all you did this to him)
- Yes, you have an idiot for a friend (if he cannot support you when you trying to make the change then you don't need this friend all that much)capriqueen wrote: »Am I really doing something wrong?
Next time this friend opens his mouth ask him what he is eating, then tell him he needs to stop eating that as it makes him stupid....
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brianpperkins wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »
NO, you're just sated longer with solids. Metabolism is not affected one way or the other.shaleeny88 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Seriously, why are you drinking your meals? Yogurt is less expensive than protein powder.
Agreed, metabolism prefers solid foods than liquid food
With solid food you stay full for longer as your body takes its time to break down the food., a lot of people on here who complain about getting hungry often usually have a lot of shakes/smoothies in their diet.
Smoothies don't make me hungry. Assumptions.
You keep manoeuvring away from the point mades "a lot of people on here who complain about being hungry"
I didn't say everyone who eats liquid food.
Get over it seriously
Your points are either scientifically wrong or completely based upon assumptions and strawman arguments.
Solids MAY leave a person satiated longer than liquids, but don't alter metabolism. Carbs are neither dirty nor clean, they just are. Complaining about one carb while admitting to eating carb laden fruits is laughable. As pointed out, identify the chemical compounds ... and correctly spell them all ... in a blueberry without looking it up ... or an orange, piece of meat, etc. The if you can't spell it line of attacking a food fails to hold up to any scrutiny.
When you mention compounds you're getting more scientific & literally twisting everything I had said....
I was talking about general ingredients eg a fruit salad could have pieces of apples, blueberries, mangoes etc. in no way did I refer to compounds within an apple or the mango.
It was all a suggestion that OP should try natural foods (natural occurring sugars/ingredients) than added sugar. I never said they should stay away from carbs in general which is what you're insinuating and "making up"
Everyone keeps manouvering away from the suggestions given (not in any way forceful to the OP). We all have our own diet opinion on what works for us & will not necessarily work for everyone, hence why all suggestions given on this app are always optional. My suggestion & recommendations were merely on my experience on what worked for me, as I prefer a natural diet & I do try to stay away from tinned foods just like how many people on here try to stay away from certain foods in their diet. You saying Its an assumption, is what an actual assumption is, as you didn't ask where my view was coming from.
Please OP all my points about your protein shake were suggestions and recommendations, meaning that you have a choice. If the protein shake is really working for you then please carry on doing it. Our bodies function differently hence why other people have high metabolism than others & some people have different allergies to others.
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shaleeny88 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »
NO, you're just sated longer with solids. Metabolism is not affected one way or the other.shaleeny88 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Seriously, why are you drinking your meals? Yogurt is less expensive than protein powder.
Agreed, metabolism prefers solid foods than liquid food
With solid food you stay full for longer as your body takes its time to break down the food., a lot of people on here who complain about getting hungry often usually have a lot of shakes/smoothies in their diet.
Smoothies don't make me hungry. Assumptions.
You keep manoeuvring away from the point mades "a lot of people on here who complain about being hungry"
I didn't say everyone who eats liquid food.
Get over it seriously
Your points are either scientifically wrong or completely based upon assumptions and strawman arguments.
Solids MAY leave a person satiated longer than liquids, but don't alter metabolism. Carbs are neither dirty nor clean, they just are. Complaining about one carb while admitting to eating carb laden fruits is laughable. As pointed out, identify the chemical compounds ... and correctly spell them all ... in a blueberry without looking it up ... or an orange, piece of meat, etc. The if you can't spell it line of attacking a food fails to hold up to any scrutiny.
When you mention compounds you're getting more scientific & literally twisting everything I had said....
I was talking about general ingredients eg a fruit salad could have pieces of apples, blueberries, mangoes etc. in no way did I refer to compounds within an apple or the mango.
It was all a suggestion that OP should try natural foods (natural occurring sugars/ingredients) than added sugar. I never said they should stay away from carbs in general which is what you're insinuating and "making up"
Everyone keeps manouvering away from the suggestions given (not in any way forceful to the OP). We all have our own diet opinion on what works for us & will not necessarily work for everyone, hence why all suggestions given on this app are always optional. My suggestion & recommendations were merely on my experience on what worked for me, as I prefer a natural diet & I do try to stay away from tinned foods just like how many people on here try to stay away from certain foods in their diet. You saying Its an assumption, is what an actual assumption is, as you didn't ask where my view was coming from.
Please OP all my points about your protein shake were suggestions and recommendations, meaning that you have a choice. If the protein shake is really working for you then please carry on doing it. Our bodies function differently hence why other people have high metabolism than others & some people have different allergies to others.
You're the one labeling a carb as dirty ... then stating we're "making up" what you said. When one counters your points with science ... it's getting "scientific" which it seems you're against . Now you're saying people should eat natural even if they can't spell what's in those natural foods ... because apparently if you can spell what is in it only matters if it is a food you disagree with.
For those without medical conditions, it is simply calories in vs calories out without regard to food type. For those with medical conditions, it is still calories in vs calories out with a few caveats on the intake. There are some medications that alter how the body functions ... but when those are accounted for weight loss remains a function of calories in vs calories out. It is simple science.0 -
Daaamn. wasn't expecting THAT to happen lol.OP: Eggs don't make you fat. I don't eat alot of meat but i do eat natural foods and i do have a protein shake a day. I do what is right for me and it's all about learning what can and canmot do in regards to your own health. Good luck.
Everyone else if you stay on track with your posts to whats being asked without getting heated it would be more helpful to anyone new to this lifestyle.
This is MFP dude. As long as there are people saying x food is evil there will be war amongst users.
cause people really really seem to love to argue on here.
lol lol lol0 -
Sugar is just a carb. Whether from fruit or a candy bar, the body doesn't distinguish source sugar gets digested from. Body just takes it, breaks it down to it's simplest form and then digests it. The problem with a candy bar vs banana is going to be calories and nutritional density.shaleeny88 wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »Natural protein is good... But protein from shakes or bars has a ridiculous amount of sugar. Best stick to natural protein.
Doesn't matter if they have sugar unless you are diabetic. Sugar doesn't make people fat or kill them.
Err sugar is a dirty carb, that needs reducing just like any other bad carbs. I didn't say it makes you fat, its definitely not healthy
But the sugar in a candy bar isn't "dirty". The candy bar is just overly high in calories for small of a snack it is.
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Iron_Feline wrote: »Daaamn. wasn't expecting THAT to happen lol.OP: Eggs don't make you fat. I don't eat alot of meat but i do eat natural foods and i do have a protein shake a day. I do what is right for me and it's all about learning what can and canmot do in regards to your own health. Good luck.
Everyone else if you stay on track with your posts to whats being asked without getting heated it would be more helpful to anyone new to this lifestyle.
This is MFP dude. As long as there are people saying x food is evil there will be war amongst users.
cause people really really seem to love to argue on here.
lol lol lol
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shaleeny88 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »
NO, you're just sated longer with solids. Metabolism is not affected one way or the other.shaleeny88 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Seriously, why are you drinking your meals? Yogurt is less expensive than protein powder.
Agreed, metabolism prefers solid foods than liquid food
With solid food you stay full for longer as your body takes its time to break down the food., a lot of people on here who complain about getting hungry often usually have a lot of shakes/smoothies in their diet.
Smoothies don't make me hungry. Assumptions.
You keep manoeuvring away from the point mades "a lot of people on here who complain about being hungry"
I didn't say everyone who eats liquid food.
Get over it seriously
Your points are either scientifically wrong or completely based upon assumptions and strawman arguments.
Solids MAY leave a person satiated longer than liquids, but don't alter metabolism. Carbs are neither dirty nor clean, they just are. Complaining about one carb while admitting to eating carb laden fruits is laughable. As pointed out, identify the chemical compounds ... and correctly spell them all ... in a blueberry without looking it up ... or an orange, piece of meat, etc. The if you can't spell it line of attacking a food fails to hold up to any scrutiny.
When you mention compounds you're getting more scientific & literally twisting everything I had said....
I was talking about general ingredients eg a fruit salad could have pieces of apples, blueberries, mangoes etc. in no way did I refer to compounds within an apple or the mango.
It was all a suggestion that OP should try natural foods (natural occurring sugars/ingredients) than added sugar. I never said they should stay away from carbs in general which is what you're insinuating and "making up"
Everyone keeps manouvering away from the suggestions given (not in any way forceful to the OP). We all have our own diet opinion on what works for us & will not necessarily work for everyone, hence why all suggestions given on this app are always optional. My suggestion & recommendations were merely on my experience on what worked for me, as I prefer a natural diet & I do try to stay away from tinned foods just like how many people on here try to stay away from certain foods in their diet. You saying Its an assumption, is what an actual assumption is, as you didn't ask where my view was coming from.
Please OP all my points about your protein shake were suggestions and recommendations, meaning that you have a choice. If the protein shake is really working for you then please carry on doing it. Our bodies function differently hence why other people have high metabolism than others & some people have different allergies to others.
OP said she is neutral o. Sugar. Weight loss is all about CICO. Which is why not eating calorie dense food worked for you, not because it was low sugar.
So you don't eat e.g. canned tuna, which is basically just tuna and salt and maybe a preservative? Nothing bad about canned tuna. OPs friend is already telling her that x and y food makes people fat, which is 100% wrong. Your posts about dirty crbs and added sugar are basically doing the exact same thing. Since op made no mention of having trouble with carba and sugar specifically there was no reason to bring your view into it. I haven't told op that she can eat candy all day and lose weight, I'm not telling her to follow an iifym lifestyles. But I am confirming with her original thought that its all about calories, not a specific foods. She can eat how she pleases within her calories.
Also side note, people don't really have different metabolisms. They have different tdees from having different starting weights, lean body day mass, and different activity levels. Growing kids also differ a bit due to needing more energy. That's about it. If a friend stays skinny eating pop tarts all the time its because he or she simply eats within caloric needs on average despite the regular calorie dense intake0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »
NO, you're just sated longer with solids. Metabolism is not affected one way or the other.shaleeny88 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Seriously, why are you drinking your meals? Yogurt is less expensive than protein powder.
Agreed, metabolism prefers solid foods than liquid food
With solid food you stay full for longer as your body takes its time to break down the food., a lot of people on here who complain about getting hungry often usually have a lot of shakes/smoothies in their diet.
Smoothies don't make me hungry. Assumptions.
You keep manoeuvring away from the point mades "a lot of people on here who complain about being hungry"
I didn't say everyone who eats liquid food.
Get over it seriously
Your points are either scientifically wrong or completely based upon assumptions and strawman arguments.
Solids MAY leave a person satiated longer than liquids, but don't alter metabolism. Carbs are neither dirty nor clean, they just are. Complaining about one carb while admitting to eating carb laden fruits is laughable. As pointed out, identify the chemical compounds ... and correctly spell them all ... in a blueberry without looking it up ... or an orange, piece of meat, etc. The if you can't spell it line of attacking a food fails to hold up to any scrutiny.
When you mention compounds you're getting more scientific & literally twisting everything I had said....
I was talking about general ingredients eg a fruit salad could have pieces of apples, blueberries, mangoes etc. in no way did I refer to compounds within an apple or the mango.
It was all a suggestion that OP should try natural foods (natural occurring sugars/ingredients) than added sugar. I never said they should stay away from carbs in general which is what you're insinuating and "making up"
Everyone keeps manouvering away from the suggestions given (not in any way forceful to the OP). We all have our own diet opinion on what works for us & will not necessarily work for everyone, hence why all suggestions given on this app are always optional. My suggestion & recommendations were merely on my experience on what worked for me, as I prefer a natural diet & I do try to stay away from tinned foods just like how many people on here try to stay away from certain foods in their diet. You saying Its an assumption, is what an actual assumption is, as you didn't ask where my view was coming from.
Please OP all my points about your protein shake were suggestions and recommendations, meaning that you have a choice. If the protein shake is really working for you then please carry on doing it. Our bodies function differently hence why other people have high metabolism than others & some people have different allergies to others.
You're the one labeling a carb as dirty ... then stating we're "making up" what you said. When one counters your points with science ... it's getting "scientific" which it seems you're against . Now you're saying people should eat natural even if they can't spell what's in those natural foods ... because apparently if you can spell what is in it only matters if it is a food you disagree with.
For those without medical conditions, it is simply calories in vs calories out without regard to food type. For those with medical conditions, it is still calories in vs calories out with a few caveats on the intake. There are some medications that alter how the body functions ... but when those are accounted for weight loss remains a function of calories in vs calories out. It is simple science.
What if I couldn't pronounce like .. Pineapple for some reason? Or what about ESL people, can they not eat a bunch of things when they are speaking English but they can eat them only when speaking their first language?0 -
capriqueen wrote: »
Breakfast: Protein shake with 2/3c protein powder, 1/4 c oats, 1/3 banana, 1 tbsp chia seeds (280-300 calories with 25 g protein)
your friend might be on to something....In another posting you said you are using Body Fortress and have 1/2 serving. 1/2 serving has 170 cal in it and is one scoop (that is provided with the protein powder). One scoop is about 1/4 c.
Your serving size of 2/3c is closer to maybe 1 1/4 servings. That's putting your protein powder at around 215 calories alone. 1/4 c oats has around 100 calories, add 1/3 banana at around 35 calories... 1 Tbsp chia seeds is another 70 calories. Total this all up and your 280-300 calorie estimate is really 420 calories.
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capriqueen wrote: »
Breakfast: Protein shake with 2/3c protein powder, 1/4 c oats, 1/3 banana, 1 tbsp chia seeds (280-300 calories with 25 g protein)
your friend might be on to something....In another posting you said you are using Body Fortress and have 1/2 serving. 1/2 serving has 170 cal in it and is one scoop (that is provided with the protein powder). One scoop is about 1/4 c.
Your serving size of 2/3c is closer to maybe 1 1/4 servings. That's putting your protein powder at around 215 calories alone. 1/4 c oats has around 100 calories, add 1/3 banana at around 35 calories... 1 Tbsp chia seeds is another 70 calories. Total this all up and your 280-300 calorie estimate is really 420 calories.
But that's not the protein making her fat* that's measuring incorrectly.
Op make sure you are weighing your foods - not using cups as a measurement as they are only accurate for liquids, not solids like protein powder and oats.
I just have a lovely protein shake that will keep me satisfied until I get home for dinner.
*not saying they are fat.
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capriqueen wrote: »This is going to sound really lame, but my friend asked me what I eat for breakfast, and I said I sometimes have eggs, but I mostly have a protein shake for breakfast, with upto 25g of protein. He started lecturing me on how those can make me fat, and (I recently put on a lot of weight because of a lot of fast food) that is why I've gotten fat. Then he says it's not wise to have protein shakes on a day when I'm not lifting. I told him how you're supposed to eat 1g per pound of lean body mass but he didn't get the point.
Then he said if I want to lose weight I should not be eating eggs because eggs make you fat! I told him eggs don't make us fat, it's the excess calories that make us fat, to which he retorts, protein right after a workout can cause muscles to form. At this point I just lost it.
Here's a sample day of my diet:
Breakfast: Protein shake with 2/3c protein powder, 1/4 c oats, 1/3 banana, 1 tbsp chia seeds (280-300 calories with 25 g protein)
Lunch: Black bean salad (3/4 cup black beans, tomato, onion, 1tbsp guac ... approximately 250 calories)
Dinner: similar to lunch, or salad with an egg.
For a snack I usually have string cheese (50-80 calories, 6 g protein, 1-2 a day).
I have not started lifting yet, but I workout for an hour each day and I walk for 20 minutes. My protein intake for a day is 60-70 g of protein, and my lean body mass is 125 pounds. (I'm overweight at 180 pounds).
Am I really doing something wrong?
You're doing fine. Don't listen to your friend, because he doesn't know what he's talking about.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »Your friend shouldn't be hating on eggs, but there are good reasons to stay away from protein shakes. When you drink your calories, you may be hungry sooner and end up eating more.
No, protein shakes are fine in addition to your other food. When you lift heavy, it's advisable to have a protein shake within the hour after a workout.0 -
capriqueen wrote: »I actually eat 1200 calories a day, the lunch and dinner is typically about 400 calories. Is my protein intake too high?
You only have 30 pounds to lose. I suggest you raise your calorie goal to lose at a slower rate, maybe 1 pound per week. In the long run, it will be more sustainable, and in the here and now you will properly fuel your body for that weightlifting.
ETA: I see you decided to raise your calories too. Good job!0 -
shaleeny88 wrote: »shaleeny88 wrote: »Natural protein is good... But protein from shakes or bars has a ridiculous amount of sugar. Best stick to natural protein.
Doesn't matter if they have sugar unless you are diabetic. Sugar doesn't make people fat or kill them.
Err sugar is a dirty carb, that needs reducing just like any other bad carbs. I didn't say it makes you fat, its definitely not healthy
What? This is not true.0 -
Iron_Feline wrote: »Daaamn. wasn't expecting THAT to happen lol.OP: Eggs don't make you fat. I don't eat alot of meat but i do eat natural foods and i do have a protein shake a day. I do what is right for me and it's all about learning what can and canmot do in regards to your own health. Good luck.
Everyone else if you stay on track with your posts to whats being asked without getting heated it would be more helpful to anyone new to this lifestyle.
This is MFP dude. As long as there are people saying x food is evil there will be war amongst users.
cause people really really seem to love to argue on here.
lol lol lol
what?
It stands for "laughing out loud." Written three times.0 -
Everyone has an opinion and opinions are like you know whats, everybody has one. I don't really tell people much about what I am doing because I don't need to hear their opinion about what I am doing with MY body. I started doing Low Carb, my daughter told someone about it then I heard about how her friend did that and ended up in the hospital, blah blah blah...so yeah my advise is to not share too much info.0
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Joe_Buck69 wrote: »Iron_Feline wrote: »Daaamn. wasn't expecting THAT to happen lol.OP: Eggs don't make you fat. I don't eat alot of meat but i do eat natural foods and i do have a protein shake a day. I do what is right for me and it's all about learning what can and canmot do in regards to your own health. Good luck.
Everyone else if you stay on track with your posts to whats being asked without getting heated it would be more helpful to anyone new to this lifestyle.
This is MFP dude. As long as there are people saying x food is evil there will be war amongst users.
cause people really really seem to love to argue on here.
lol lol lol
what?
It stands for "laughing out loud." Written three times.
yes, i know what it stands for. i didn't find my post funny, thus the "what?"0
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