Did I sabotage my diet plan?
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The thread is now renamed to eliminate the word "detox" but we still don't have details of what this "diet plan" consists of.0
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blktngldhrt wrote: »KirstyBorg wrote: »It is common to associate detox to a soup or juice diet which isn't the case here. It is just a 2 weeks plan to get my body full of the right nutrition sit needs to have great workouts without harming muscles and keeping me fit to workout more.
He uses the word detox because I don't have any pasta or bread or meat apart from fish (3 times a day) for these 2 weeks (I have carbs in porridge, broccoli and so on)
His use of the word is incorrect..hence all of the warnings that he may not be the best person to consult in regards to nutrition.
To detox is to remove toxic substances..what toxic substances are you removing??
So... he is misusing a word which, when used, constitutes advice that you disagree with, and thus is NOT giving the advice you disagree with. And because he's not giving bad advice, she should fire him?
WTF?
Your avi doesn't reflect your attitude at all, not one bit.
He is feeding her nonsense and anyone that has been involved in fitness and nutrition for a little while and has bothered to learn clearly can see that.
I agree with you that this trainer's advice is not the best... nor is it the worst ever.
I disagree with the approach of people in this thread which, by virtue of their aggressiveness and rudeness, loses the opportunity to politely educate the poster and make positive changes.
Being helpful and welcoming is not the same as the "rainbows and unicorn farts" nonsense that people make it out to be.0 -
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The thing is though, there's always been people who have gotten took. Others who want to get took.yopeeps025 wrote: »
Working out prepares your joints and muscles.KirstyBorg wrote: »I'm not on a soup diet! It's full of fish, veg, vitamins, fruit, fat free yogurt.
Loads of healthy food to to prepare me for workouts for my joints and muscles
lol. Detox.
Aw, OP, I'm sorry. You got took.
See this generation needs to change so some people like OP would know better because it would be common knowledge.
and a healthy population of takers. It's an ecosystem unto itself. Like the weak fuel the ambition of the strong, the marks fuel the ambitions of the thieves.
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what does a two week detox have to do with starting a training regimen? Why can't you start training now? Are your kidney's and liver broke?
I would ditch this guy ASAP....0 -
KirstyBorg wrote: »It is common to associate detox to a soup or juice diet which isn't the case here. It is just a 2 weeks plan to get my body full of the right nutrition sit needs to have great workouts without harming muscles and keeping me fit to workout more.
He uses the word detox because I don't have any pasta or bread or meat apart from fish (3 times a day) for these 2 weeks (I have carbs in porridge, broccoli and so on)
Why can't you eat meat and certain carbs? Those things aren't bad for you. It's a little concerning to some of us, that have been here for a while, that a "professional" is giving out advice like this. The only change I can see being recommended in a diet to prepare for lifting is to increase your protein. The rest just isn't necessary, you know?KirstyBorg wrote: »Lots of salt, sugar, alcohol and the wrong fat
There's no way you could eat that would change the way your body already processes these things. So again, this is a red flag.
What people are trying to tell you is that the things your trainer is having you do are unnecessary. I think it's really important to work with someone that gives reasonable, sound advice. If he's wrong about the diet, what else is wrong about?
I'm sorry if you feel attacked or something, but everyone is posting out of concern. You're trusting this person with the health and well being of your body - and there are a lot of concerning recommendations from this one.
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KirstyBorg wrote: »I haven't seen his qualifications but I'll ask
Lolz.... And people wonder why they get taken all the time.0 -
KirstyBorg wrote: »Ok! Let's not call it 'detox ' but a 2 week diet to get rid of water retention and to have appropriate nutrition for intensive workouts
still dumb...
you can just drink plenty of water and it will release water retention ..
and what does getting rid of water retention have to do with getting ready for training?0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »KirstyBorg wrote: »It is common to associate detox to a soup or juice diet which isn't the case here. It is just a 2 weeks plan to get my body full of the right nutrition sit needs to have great workouts without harming muscles and keeping me fit to workout more.
He uses the word detox because I don't have any pasta or bread or meat apart from fish (3 times a day) for these 2 weeks (I have carbs in porridge, broccoli and so on)
His use of the word is incorrect..hence all of the warnings that he may not be the best person to consult in regards to nutrition.
To detox is to remove toxic substances..what toxic substances are you removing??
So... he is misusing a word which, when used, constitutes advice that you disagree with, and thus is NOT giving the advice you disagree with. And because he's not giving bad advice, she should fire him?
WTF?
Your avi doesn't reflect your attitude at all, not one bit.
He is feeding her nonsense and anyone that has been involved in fitness and nutrition for a little while and has bothered to learn clearly can see that.
I agree with you that this trainer's advice is not the best... nor is it the worst ever.
I disagree with the approach of people in this thread which, by virtue of their aggressiveness and rudeness, loses the opportunity to politely educate the poster and make positive changes.
Being helpful and welcoming is not the same as the "rainbows and unicorn farts" nonsense that people make it out to be.
No one was rude... that is your perception.0 -
MrM27, that post is exactly my point.
You, presented with zero information on the suggested diet - for all you know, the "detox" could have been "sign up with MFP and eat the calories suggested" - say to fire the trainer, which for somebody lost and confused is easily read as "fire your trainer who you are probably paying lots of money for because you hired an idiot, and therefore, you yourself are probably an idiot."
It's not helpful, in any way.
You don't even know if the trainer is the one who used the word detox! It's such a hot buzz word in every magazine and TV show that for all we know, the trainer suggested a diet and the OP or someone else labeled it a detox. We know so few facts here (a fault of the OP, to be fair) that the criticism here is unjustified. I think it is fair to critique the lack of information, but not fair to criticism what you GUESS that information to be.0 -
I agree that aside from limiting meat to only fish which I don't fully understand, it doesn't sound like the worst meal plan. Not one that you really had to pay someone to tell you to eat but not, you know, crazy. But then he used that word...
...and lost credibility.
But no, OP one day won't derail you. The same way that choosing not to follow this plan and to eat the things you like in moderation will not derail you either. Eat at a deficit, move more, lift things and find something that works for you that is easy to stick to.0 -
That post is exactly my point.
You, presented with zero information on the suggested diet - for all you know, the "detox" could have been "sign up with MFP and eat the calories suggested" - say to fire the trainer, which for somebody lost and confused is easily read as "fire your trainer who you are probably paying lots of money for because you hired an idiot, and therefore, you yourself are probably an idiot."
It's not helpful, in any way.
You don't even know if the trainer is the one who used the word detox! It's such a hot buzz word in every magazine and TV show that for all we know, the trainer suggested a diet and the OP or someone else labeled it a detox. We know so few facts here (a fault of the OP, to be fair) that the criticism here is unjustified. I think it is fair to critique the lack of information, but not fair to criticism what you GUESS that information to be.
lot of comedians on mfp. I like your brand of comedy as well.0 -
KirstyBorg wrote: »It is common to associate detox to a soup or juice diet which isn't the case here. It is just a 2 weeks plan to get my body full of the right nutrition sit needs to have great workouts without harming muscles and keeping me fit to workout more.
He uses the word detox because I don't have any pasta or bread or meat apart from fish (3 times a day) for these 2 weeks (I have carbs in porridge, broccoli and so on)
How did I miss this gem?
So, you are going to start a heavier lifting program (yay) but you can't eat meat? What? And what about dietary fat? That's necessary for proper body function - even going to the bathroom.
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maillemaker wrote: »Unless you have consumed poisons or heavy metals, there is no such thing as detoxification.
You are right! A detox from not training your brain to think correctly is needed! Most people don't know how to say NO to their brain.0 -
KirstyBorg wrote: »It is common to associate detox to a soup or juice diet which isn't the case here. It is just a 2 weeks plan to get my body full of the right nutrition sit needs to have great workouts without harming muscles and keeping me fit to workout more.
He uses the word detox because I don't have any pasta or bread or meat apart from fish (3 times a day) for these 2 weeks (I have carbs in porridge, broccoli and so on)
I am sorry but this is just idiotic...you don't need a two week "pre-diet" to get your muscles ready.
The last time I bulked I just jumped into a surplus, after eating in a deficit, and kept lifting. I did not have any adverse affects, nor did I need to get my "muscles ready" for training.
Your PT has a PHD in broscience....
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MrM27, that post is exactly my point.
You, presented with zero information on the suggested diet - for all you know, the "detox" could have been "sign up with MFP and eat the calories suggested" - say to fire the trainer, which for somebody lost and confused is easily read as "fire your trainer who you are probably paying lots of money for because you hired an idiot, and therefore, you yourself are probably an idiot."
It's not helpful, in any way.
You don't even know if the trainer is the one who used the word detox! It's such a hot buzz word in every magazine and TV show that for all we know, the trainer suggested a diet and the OP or someone else labeled it a detox. We know so few facts here (a fault of the OP, to be fair) that the criticism here is unjustified. I think it is fair to critique the lack of information, but not fair to criticism what you GUESS that information to be.
Except you're wrong:KirstyBorg wrote: »He uses the word detox because I don't have any pasta or bread or meat apart from fish (3 times a day) for these 2 weeks (I have carbs in porridge, broccoli and so on)0 -
I missed the only fish part. What the heck is that going to do??0
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I'd get back on the original plan, but if you are really concerned about the impact of the chocolate fountain ask the trainer who advised you in the first place.0
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mrsmuckster wrote: »I'd get back on the original plan, but if you are really concerned about the impact of the chocolate fountain ask the trainer who advised you in the first place.
No... just no.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »I missed the only fish part. What the heck is that going to do??
Apparently fish protein is ok, but chicken and pork is EVIL. The guy would probably lose his mind if steak was involved. Mmmmmm.....steak.
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MrM27, that post is exactly my point.
You, presented with zero information on the suggested diet - for all you know, the "detox" could have been "sign up with MFP and eat the calories suggested" - say to fire the trainer, which for somebody lost and confused is easily read as "fire your trainer who you are probably paying lots of money for because you hired an idiot, and therefore, you yourself are probably an idiot."
It's not helpful, in any way.
You don't even know if the trainer is the one who used the word detox! It's such a hot buzz word in every magazine and TV show that for all we know, the trainer suggested a diet and the OP or someone else labeled it a detox. We know so few facts here (a fault of the OP, to be fair) that the criticism here is unjustified. I think it is fair to critique the lack of information, but not fair to criticism what you GUESS that information to be.
So..what about the two week wait of diet/detoxing before training starts?? That doesn't sound like a red flag to you? No more information was necessary to determine that this trainer sounds sketchy.0 -
Help with ability to swim, obvs.blktngldhrt wrote: »I missed the only fish part. What the heck is that going to do??
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I'm already working out but not 100% pushing myself.
I did not ask if my 2 week plan was right or not.
All I wanted to know is if I just ignore the day and continue tomorrow or skip my lunch since I had too much chocolate and continue on my diet.0 -
mrsmuckster wrote: »I'd get back on the original plan, but if you are really concerned about the impact of the chocolate fountain ask the trainer who advised you in the first place.
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MrM27, that post is exactly my point.
You, presented with zero information on the suggested diet - for all you know, the "detox" could have been "sign up with MFP and eat the calories suggested" - say to fire the trainer, which for somebody lost and confused is easily read as "fire your trainer who you are probably paying lots of money for because you hired an idiot, and therefore, you yourself are probably an idiot."
It's not helpful, in any way.
You don't even know if the trainer is the one who used the word detox! It's such a hot buzz word in every magazine and TV show that for all we know, the trainer suggested a diet and the OP or someone else labeled it a detox. We know so few facts here (a fault of the OP, to be fair) that the criticism here is unjustified. I think it is fair to critique the lack of information, but not fair to criticism what you GUESS that information to be.
first, no legit trainer should be recommending a detox of any kind.
secondly, no legit trainer should say that you need a two week "diet" to get ready for training...
third, the amount of white knighting in this thread is hilarious...0 -
Hi Kristy! I know some of the responses here seem really aggressive and critical, but please don't think it's directed at you. People on the forums really do have your best interest at heart, they get so enthusiastic about stuff like this because they have a lot of collective experience and recognize red flags when they see them. It really, really isn't aimed at you!
It's more directed at the fact a trainer would encourage any sort of restrictive dieting(I saw he said no bread/pasta) as it would make any sort of difference. If you're eating a generally balanced diet filled with the appropriate micros and macros, it's totally fine to eat anything as long as it all lines up with your calorie goals.
Trainers really aren't going to know what's best to eat from a professional standpoint (though it's not at all harmful to ask for opinions, but take it with a grain of salt) nutritionally, unless they also happen to be registered dietitians. Eating a balanced diet and drinking appropriate water will flush any excess water retention you have right on it's own. If you're really interested in how to best adjust your food intake, it might be incredibly helpful and informative to make an appointment with a registered dietitian(R.D.) and let them know what your new fitness goals are, and they'll get you set right up!
Also? Listen to your body! Try to figure out what foods keep you really satiated and contented when you eat. Some people are totally fine eating something like a bowl of cereal and milk for breakfast, while others would be starving after an hour of that. What kind of macro/micro-nutrient breakdowns help you feel very satisfied when you eat? I myself have noticed that meals with a healthy protein(lean meats especially,) or lots of fibre(beans in this case!) always leave me wonderfully satisfied for 4-5 hours depending on my activity level for the day, where as some other people might be perfectly content eating a bowl of soup.
Good luck on meeting your goals!0 -
THERE'S A CHOCOLATE FOUNTAIN AND I MISSED IT?!
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KirstyBorg wrote: »I'm already working out but not 100% pushing myself.
I did not ask if my 2 week plan was right or not.
All I wanted to know is if I just ignore the day and continue tomorrow or skip my lunch since I had too much chocolate and continue on my diet.
You should ignore that diet. *nod*0 -
No such thing as "detox" and no such thing as "jumpstart."
Ugh.0
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