I Do Not Want to be Thin
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »One can be overweight and very healthy.
Being overweight and obese puts a strain on the heart. The heart has to work extra hard when you carry excess weight/fat. The person may have excellent blood work but they are still making their heart work harder than it should be which is not 'very healthy.'
How much harder? Does it matter if it's someone like me who is overweight simply because I have higher than average amounts of lean body mass? Would it matter if someone was at a "healthy weight", but had very low lean mass (which would put their body fat higher)?
According to my cardiologist and other individuals I have talked to on MFP who are considered overweight/obese because of their LBM, they said their doctor told them they are still at an increased risk of heart attacks, strokes, and CVD.
Who? The ones carrying the extra weight or the ones with high body fat?
I don't consider most people on here a very good source. How about some science? A study perhaps. I want to know if it's the weight or the fat that increases risk of heart attacks, strokes and CVD.
According to the doctor (and my cardiologist), it doesn't matter whether the person is overweight because they have a high LBM or excess body fat. It still strains the heart.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »One can be overweight and very healthy.
Being overweight and obese puts a strain on the heart. The heart has to work extra hard when you carry excess weight/fat. The person may have excellent blood work but they are still making their heart work harder than it should be which is not 'very healthy.'
How much harder? Does it matter if it's someone like me who is overweight simply because I have higher than average amounts of lean body mass? Would it matter if someone was at a "healthy weight", but had very low lean mass (which would put their body fat higher)?
According to my cardiologist and other individuals I have talked to on MFP who are considered overweight/obese because of their LBM, they said their doctor told them they are still at an increased risk of heart attacks, strokes, and CVD.
Who? The ones carrying the extra weight or the ones with high body fat?
I don't consider most people on here a very good source. How about some science? A study perhaps. I want to know if it's the weight or the fat that increases risk of heart attacks, strokes and CVD.
According to the doctor (and my cardiologist), it doesn't matter whether the person is overweight because they have a high LBM or excess body fat. It still strains the heart.
Whelp between that and the bacon I guess my overweight yet 'thin' behind is in trouble.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »One can be overweight and very healthy.
Being overweight and obese puts a strain on the heart. The heart has to work extra hard when you carry excess weight/fat. The person may have excellent blood work but they are still making their heart work harder than it should be which is not 'very healthy.'
How much harder? Does it matter if it's someone like me who is overweight simply because I have higher than average amounts of lean body mass? Would it matter if someone was at a "healthy weight", but had very low lean mass (which would put their body fat higher)?
According to my cardiologist and other individuals I have talked to on MFP who are considered overweight/obese because of their LBM, they said their doctor told them they are still at an increased risk of heart attacks, strokes, and CVD.
Who? The ones carrying the extra weight or the ones with high body fat?
I don't consider most people on here a very good source. How about some science? A study perhaps. I want to know if it's the weight or the fat that increases risk of heart attacks, strokes and CVD.
According to the doctor (and my cardiologist), it doesn't matter whether the person is overweight because they have a high LBM or excess body fat. It still strains the heart.
So you're saying that these 2 dudes have the same cardiac risks? :huh:
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jennifershoo wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »One can be overweight and very healthy.
Being overweight and obese puts a strain on the heart. The heart has to work extra hard when you carry excess weight/fat. The person may have excellent blood work but they are still making their heart work harder than it should be which is not 'very healthy.'
How much harder? Does it matter if it's someone like me who is overweight simply because I have higher than average amounts of lean body mass? Would it matter if someone was at a "healthy weight", but had very low lean mass (which would put their body fat higher)?
According to my cardiologist and other individuals I have talked to on MFP who are considered overweight/obese because of their LBM, they said their doctor told them they are still at an increased risk of heart attacks, strokes, and CVD.
Who? The ones carrying the extra weight or the ones with high body fat?
I don't consider most people on here a very good source. How about some science? A study perhaps. I want to know if it's the weight or the fat that increases risk of heart attacks, strokes and CVD.
According to the doctor (and my cardiologist), it doesn't matter whether the person is overweight because they have a high LBM or excess body fat. It still strains the heart.
So you're saying that these 2 dudes have the same cardiac risks? :huh:
Yeah, surely that can’t be right. Don’t people who are fit have stronger cardiac muscles, so their hearts are more than capable of supporting the extra LBM? I don’t know what I’m talking about. But this just doesn’t make sense.0 -
jennifershoo wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »One can be overweight and very healthy.
Being overweight and obese puts a strain on the heart. The heart has to work extra hard when you carry excess weight/fat. The person may have excellent blood work but they are still making their heart work harder than it should be which is not 'very healthy.'
How much harder? Does it matter if it's someone like me who is overweight simply because I have higher than average amounts of lean body mass? Would it matter if someone was at a "healthy weight", but had very low lean mass (which would put their body fat higher)?
According to my cardiologist and other individuals I have talked to on MFP who are considered overweight/obese because of their LBM, they said their doctor told them they are still at an increased risk of heart attacks, strokes, and CVD.
Who? The ones carrying the extra weight or the ones with high body fat?
I don't consider most people on here a very good source. How about some science? A study perhaps. I want to know if it's the weight or the fat that increases risk of heart attacks, strokes and CVD.
According to the doctor (and my cardiologist), it doesn't matter whether the person is overweight because they have a high LBM or excess body fat. It still strains the heart.
So you're saying that these 2 dudes have the same cardiac risks? :huh:
Yeah, surely that can’t be right. Don’t people who are fit have stronger cardiac muscles, so their hearts are more than capable of supporting the extra LBM? I don’t know what I’m talking about. But this just doesn’t make sense.
It would depend on their cardiovascular fitness, though. Not all bodybuilders are interested in cardio (may be an understatement, I don't know). The body on the left is still big. All that blood's got to get around in there.
I would guess that the person on the right has additional risks.0 -
It would depend on their cardiovascular fitness, though. Not all bodybuilders are interested in cardio (may be an understatement, I don't know). The body on the left is still big. All that blood's got to get around in there.
I would guess that the person on the right has additional risks.
You make a good point about blood flow. I did a quick google search and, contingent on how reputable these sources are, it would appear that weight training does give the heart a workout too.
First, lifting does increase heart rate, so that if someone lifts for 30 minutes they are getting a cardio workout as well (article 1). I definitely have an increased HR when I lift (heavy weights, low reps), though I’m not sure I maintain it high as well as I could. @usmcmp and @jennifershoo seem to lift and may know more about this.
Second, lifting has the benefit of (a) increasing blood flow to the limbs (though it causes an increase in central arterial stiffness, whereas cardio does not cause this stiffness but also does not increase blood flow) and (b) leads to a longer-lasting drop in blood pressure compared to aerobic exercise.
Article 1: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/likness19.htm
Article 2: http://www.mensfitness.com/training/get-heart-healthy-by-lifting-weights
Not sure how legit this is though.0 -
Health and weight are tied together, especially with us old people. I want to be healthy AND a healthy weight. I love myself a whole lot more, am healthier and happier, at 132 instead of 184 lbs. Life is easier at a healthy weight. I don't take any meds anymore. I feel so dang good now.0
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rainbowbow wrote: »I'll be honest with you... why do people want to be "thin"? Because you cannot be truly healthy and be fat. H.A.E.S. does not exist; it just doesn't.
You dont have to be "skinny" but our bodies were designed to be lean and strong, period. And that isn't something that requires 2-4 hours in the gym.
Edited to add: I'm not even talking about aesthetics here, just the fact that our bodies were not designed to hold excess amounts of fat for an extended period of time. Since your post seemed to focus on the "look" of being skinny.
I'm going to call BS on that. HAES means that me, at a size 10, can be just as healthy as my boss at a size 4. She's a marathoner, I'm a lifter (at a 10). We're the same height, but not the same size, and I absolutely carry more fat on me than she does on her.
Having body fat does not make you unhealthy. Specific fat in specific places can even be beneficial (http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Science/article1508318.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_01_17).0 -
@aubrey_11_baker
I think you would like this article. Ultimately you have to closer to goal to know for sure if it's right for you.
http://www.refusetoregain.com/2014/06/just-another-ten-pounds-or-how-to-know-when-your-weight-loss-is-over.html
. I sense from the success forum that goals do change. I actually think a cluster of goals is a better way to go.
Really, for this week I want to weigh a little less or lift a little heavier or run a little more or eat a little less. Notice the OR conjunction!
I guess my handle says it all. Inch by inch.
Though sometimes I use SW-101 lbs. That would put me in a healthy BMI range.0 -
FlabFighter86 wrote: »FlabFighter86 wrote: »My ideal weight is actually still classed as 'overweight'. I wasn't even fat when I was that weight, I just had massive boobs. But I was a size UK 10/12. I would be happy being back at size 12. I have no intention of ever being a size 8. I'm not even sure my body can be that thin anyway.
I'm sure your body could be a size 8 but it's fine if you don't want to be a size 8.
It really couldn't. If I had lost any more weight, I would literally be a stick with boobs. We're talking barbie doll figure here. And no, I really don't want to be a size 8.
I highly doubt that.
before you people pick her apart, remember that a UK size 8 is not the same as a US size 8.0 -
It would depend on their cardiovascular fitness, though. Not all bodybuilders are interested in cardio (may be an understatement, I don't know). The body on the left is still big. All that blood's got to get around in there.
I would guess that the person on the right has additional risks.
You make a good point about blood flow. I did a quick google search and, contingent on how reputable these sources are, it would appear that weight training does give the heart a workout too.
First, lifting does increase heart rate, so that if someone lifts for 30 minutes they are getting a cardio workout as well (article 1). I definitely have an increased HR when I lift (heavy weights, low reps), though I’m not sure I maintain it high as well as I could. @usmcmp and @jennifershoo seem to lift and may know more about this.
Second, lifting has the benefit of (a) increasing blood flow to the limbs (though it causes an increase in central arterial stiffness, whereas cardio does not cause this stiffness but also does not increase blood flow) and (b) leads to a longer-lasting drop in blood pressure compared to aerobic exercise.
Article 1: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/likness19.htm
Article 2: http://www.mensfitness.com/training/get-heart-healthy-by-lifting-weights
Not sure how legit this is though.
Not proof but by personal experience.. Since I started lifting my bp has gone lower (was never high, but now it is optimal) and my resting heart rate has decreased significantly. I am still 'over weight' 26bmi (5'4" 147lb) but wear a us size 6 currently and small/med. I also hate cardio and avoid it like the plague.
ETA... In the past I only was a size 6 at 130-135lbs now I still fit a 6 up to about 152lbs. and yes I have hips and a butt, used to have boobs but things happen. I have a standard hour glass shape waist is 10inches smaller than hips and chest.
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CorvusCorax77 wrote: »I think all the points being made here are great. I think OP is right on to say she wants to find her perfect weight and that might not be "thin." And I think folks who want to be thin are right on to say they want to be thin. I don't think OP meant to body shame thin people....
That all being said
.... OP, it doesn't take 2-4 hours in the gym to be "thin." "Thin" is about body fat percentage and that can be done solely with controling calories in vs. calories out. I lost most of my weight just by cutting my calories in. Gym time is about fitness.
To me, a "healthy" body would be a fit body, with a reasonable amount of body fat. Because I love my body, I want it to be healthy. So I try to keep my body fat percentage reasonable (I'd say for me 23% is the high end of my reasonable spectrum and 16% is probably at the low end). I also try to keep fit by working out. But working out in a healthy way would NOT be 2-4 hours a day. Even 1 hour every day is pushing it, in my opinion. I do maybe 1 hour four times a week, and then about 20 minutes twice a week, and then one day of whatever.
I agree that OP probably wasn't meaning to body-shame people. She's saying that she keeps hearing the same reason "I chose to start eating right/working out to get skinny/thin" and wonders why that is supposed to be the ultimate goal.
That is not my goal, either. I'm short and my "healthy" BMI and I will never cross paths again. I don't even want to see it. I spend between 30-40 minutes a day working out and I eat better than I ever have, and I never EVER want to have to do more than that. Like, ever. THAT was a lifestyle change I could do, and I feel better about how I look (it's true) and I hurt less when I weigh 150 than when I weigh 190.
But I'm happy shopping in "normal" stores, drinking too much coffee and having the occasional drink. I would not be happy having to live on 1300 calories forever, and never getting to eat birthday cake with my kids or share ice cream or breakfast with my spouse. I want a BALANCE, and if that means I'm never going to be the same weight I was when I was in 6 hours of sports practice, 6 days a week (pre children and pre puberty)? Yeah, I'll live.
I get what she's saying. Being healthy (actually eating better and moving more) is an actual goal. It doesn't have to be a number (BMI, a weight or a pants size).
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jennifershoo wrote: »
Why are you a judgmental jerk? Maybe she's found that her life balances well at 185, and the work/diet required for that extra 25 lbs isn't worth it. Maybe she doesn't like how she feels or looks at 160. Maybe it isn't about you, and she's got a goal and it pleased with it.
My "healthy" BMI is also about 15 lbs lower than my ultimate goal. I don't want to go that low because the only time I've managed to be that weight was before I hit puberty. When I was working out 6 hours a day, 6 days a week for a sport. I don't want to look like 14-year-old me in my 30s, so I'll take the 15lb hit, knowing I carry muscle and some fat (yay for boobies and my backside) and like that I look great a tad in the "overweight" category. Because that's a thing for short people like me.
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It would depend on their cardiovascular fitness, though. Not all bodybuilders are interested in cardio (may be an understatement, I don't know). The body on the left is still big. All that blood's got to get around in there.
I would guess that the person on the right has additional risks.
You make a good point about blood flow. I did a quick google search and, contingent on how reputable these sources are, it would appear that weight training does give the heart a workout too.
First, lifting does increase heart rate, so that if someone lifts for 30 minutes they are getting a cardio workout as well (article 1). I definitely have an increased HR when I lift (heavy weights, low reps), though I’m not sure I maintain it high as well as I could. @usmcmp and @jennifershoo seem to lift and may know more about this.
Second, lifting has the benefit of (a) increasing blood flow to the limbs (though it causes an increase in central arterial stiffness, whereas cardio does not cause this stiffness but also does not increase blood flow) and (b) leads to a longer-lasting drop in blood pressure compared to aerobic exercise.
Article 1: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/likness19.htm
Article 2: http://www.mensfitness.com/training/get-heart-healthy-by-lifting-weights
Not sure how legit this is though.
Lifting alone can increase someone's VO2Max. Lifting can also improve blood profiles that indicate elevated coronary risk.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16307157
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32851180 -
It would depend on their cardiovascular fitness, though. Not all bodybuilders are interested in cardio (may be an understatement, I don't know). The body on the left is still big. All that blood's got to get around in there.
I would guess that the person on the right has additional risks.
You make a good point about blood flow. I did a quick google search and, contingent on how reputable these sources are, it would appear that weight training does give the heart a workout too.
First, lifting does increase heart rate, so that if someone lifts for 30 minutes they are getting a cardio workout as well (article 1). I definitely have an increased HR when I lift (heavy weights, low reps), though I’m not sure I maintain it high as well as I could. @usmcmp and @jennifershoo seem to lift and may know more about this.
Second, lifting has the benefit of (a) increasing blood flow to the limbs (though it causes an increase in central arterial stiffness, whereas cardio does not cause this stiffness but also does not increase blood flow) and (b) leads to a longer-lasting drop in blood pressure compared to aerobic exercise.
Article 1: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/likness19.htm
Article 2: http://www.mensfitness.com/training/get-heart-healthy-by-lifting-weights
Not sure how legit this is though.
Not proof but by personal experience.. Since I started lifting my bp has gone lower (was never high, but now it is optimal) and my resting heart rate has decreased significantly. I am still 'over weight' 26bmi (5'4" 147lb) but wear a us size 6 currently and small/med. I also hate cardio and avoid it like the plague.
That is really good to know, thanks for sharing! When it comes to lifting, I find that measurements are a lot more meaningful than weight. I just got back into lifting and I’m super excited.0 -
FlabFighter86 wrote: »FlabFighter86 wrote: »My ideal weight is actually still classed as 'overweight'. I wasn't even fat when I was that weight, I just had massive boobs. But I was a size UK 10/12. I would be happy being back at size 12. I have no intention of ever being a size 8. I'm not even sure my body can be that thin anyway.
I'm sure your body could be a size 8 but it's fine if you don't want to be a size 8.
It really couldn't. If I had lost any more weight, I would literally be a stick with boobs. We're talking barbie doll figure here. And no, I really don't want to be a size 8.
I highly doubt that.
Why do you people do that? When a person has a not-unhealthy goal, and states a preference about their own appearance, why do you argue with them? She feels that she would look like a stick with boobs at a size 8, and does not want that. End.
Why do you have to argue that? She isn't saying all size 8s look like that, or that it's a bad look. Just that it isn't for her.
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jennifershoo wrote: »FlabFighter86 wrote: »I'm sure your body could be a size 8 but it's fine if you don't want to be a size 8.
It really couldn't. If I had lost any more weight, I would literally be a stick with boobs. We're talking barbie doll figure here. And no, I really don't want to be a size 8.
I highly doubt that.
Do not understand why people are arguing with me about my own body...[/quote]
Because it just sounds like excuses.
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Or a personal preference.0 -
jennifershoo wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »Timorous_Beastie wrote: »Did anyone notice that the "don't think I could be a size 8" post was about a UK size 8, which I think is closer to a US size 4? That's pretty small. Some peoples' bone structure wouldn't allow them to be that size.
Is it a US 4 or a US 6?
I didn't see either that it was a UK size (was it really mentioned?). I Googled it and it says UK 8 = US 6. Not much of a difference IMO.
It did say. And there are a lot of people that would be hard pressed to fit in a US 6, regardless of how much they worked because of their hipbones and/or rib-cages and/or breasts and/or backsides.0 -
jennifershoo wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »Timorous_Beastie wrote: »Did anyone notice that the "don't think I could be a size 8" post was about a UK size 8, which I think is closer to a US size 4? That's pretty small. Some peoples' bone structure wouldn't allow them to be that size.
Is it a US 4 or a US 6?
I didn't see either that it was a UK size (was it really mentioned?). I Googled it and it says UK 8 = US 6. Not much of a difference IMO.
It did say. And there are a lot of people that would be hard pressed to fit in a US 6, regardless of how much they worked because of their hipbones and/or rib-cages and/or breasts and/or backsides.
Why are you trying to rekindle their argument? They seem to have moved on. People shouldn't have assumed anything about another person. I know that they were trying to say it's hard to make definitive statements about our goals because they change, but they went about it in a bad way.0 -
jennifershoo wrote: »
Why are you a judgmental jerk? Maybe she's found that her life balances well at 185, and the work/diet required for that extra 25 lbs isn't worth it. Maybe she doesn't like how she feels or looks at 160. Maybe it isn't about you, and she's got a goal and it pleased with it.
My "healthy" BMI is also about 15 lbs lower than my ultimate goal. I don't want to go that low because the only time I've managed to be that weight was before I hit puberty. When I was working out 6 hours a day, 6 days a week for a sport. I don't want to look like 14-year-old me in my 30s, so I'll take the 15lb hit, knowing I carry muscle and some fat (yay for boobies and my backside) and like that I look great a tad in the "overweight" category. Because that's a thing for short people like me.
You can call me names all you want, but I was asking her why she wants to stay in the overweight category. It's not something I understand. Having fat on your body means that your organs are also surrounded by fat. That strain increases risks of health issues.0 -
jennifershoo wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »Timorous_Beastie wrote: »Did anyone notice that the "don't think I could be a size 8" post was about a UK size 8, which I think is closer to a US size 4? That's pretty small. Some peoples' bone structure wouldn't allow them to be that size.
Is it a US 4 or a US 6?
I didn't see either that it was a UK size (was it really mentioned?). I Googled it and it says UK 8 = US 6. Not much of a difference IMO.
It did say. And there are a lot of people that would be hard pressed to fit in a US 6, regardless of how much they worked because of their hipbones and/or rib-cages and/or breasts and/or backsides.
Why are you trying to rekindle their argument? They seem to have moved on. People shouldn't have assumed anything about another person. I know that they were trying to say it's hard to make definitive statements about our goals because they change, but they went about it in a bad way.
Because the person who is arguing that there's no difference between a US 6 and a US 8 in their *humble* opinion didn't notice that it was a UK size in the first place and has been generally a jerk to anyone who doesn't want to look like a triathlete (which is a fine goal, but doesn't need to be everyone's goal).
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jennifershoo wrote: »jennifershoo wrote: »
Why are you a judgmental jerk? Maybe she's found that her life balances well at 185, and the work/diet required for that extra 25 lbs isn't worth it. Maybe she doesn't like how she feels or looks at 160. Maybe it isn't about you, and she's got a goal and it pleased with it.
My "healthy" BMI is also about 15 lbs lower than my ultimate goal. I don't want to go that low because the only time I've managed to be that weight was before I hit puberty. When I was working out 6 hours a day, 6 days a week for a sport. I don't want to look like 14-year-old me in my 30s, so I'll take the 15lb hit, knowing I carry muscle and some fat (yay for boobies and my backside) and like that I look great a tad in the "overweight" category. Because that's a thing for short people like me.
You can call me names all you want, but I was asking her why she wants to stay in the overweight category. It's not something I understand. Having fat on your body means that your organs are also surrounded by fat. That strain increases risks of health issues.
Being in the overweight category doesn't necessarily mean they are fat. They could have higher lean body mass. When someone is obese or morbidly obese they carry around extra lean mass to support the extra weight. Some of it is lost through dieting, but not necessarily all of it. Bone density, genetics and other factors mean that she could have a healthy body fat and still be overweight. I'm a few pounds from obese, but I only have 24% body fat.
ETA: Goals can change. My initial goal ended up being far under what I should weigh. Several others in this thread said that they lost more than they thought they ever could. Just because a goal is still "overweight" doesn't mean it is concrete.0 -
jennifershoo wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »Timorous_Beastie wrote: »Did anyone notice that the "don't think I could be a size 8" post was about a UK size 8, which I think is closer to a US size 4? That's pretty small. Some peoples' bone structure wouldn't allow them to be that size.
Is it a US 4 or a US 6?
I didn't see either that it was a UK size (was it really mentioned?). I Googled it and it says UK 8 = US 6. Not much of a difference IMO.
It did say. And there are a lot of people that would be hard pressed to fit in a US 6, regardless of how much they worked because of their hipbones and/or rib-cages and/or breasts and/or backsides.
Why are you trying to rekindle their argument? They seem to have moved on. People shouldn't have assumed anything about another person. I know that they were trying to say it's hard to make definitive statements about our goals because they change, but they went about it in a bad way.
Because the person who is arguing that there's no difference between a US 6 and a US 8 in their *humble* opinion didn't notice that it was a UK size in the first place and has been generally a jerk to anyone who doesn't want to look like a triathlete (which is a fine goal, but doesn't need to be everyone's goal).
Okay, but the fight is over. Let them look like a jerk.0 -
jennifershoo wrote: »jennifershoo wrote: »
Why are you a judgmental jerk? Maybe she's found that her life balances well at 185, and the work/diet required for that extra 25 lbs isn't worth it. Maybe she doesn't like how she feels or looks at 160. Maybe it isn't about you, and she's got a goal and it pleased with it.
My "healthy" BMI is also about 15 lbs lower than my ultimate goal. I don't want to go that low because the only time I've managed to be that weight was before I hit puberty. When I was working out 6 hours a day, 6 days a week for a sport. I don't want to look like 14-year-old me in my 30s, so I'll take the 15lb hit, knowing I carry muscle and some fat (yay for boobies and my backside) and like that I look great a tad in the "overweight" category. Because that's a thing for short people like me.
You can call me names all you want, but I was asking her why she wants to stay in the overweight category. It's not something I understand. Having fat on your body means that your organs are also surrounded by fat. That strain increases risks of health issues.
Having some fat on your body is not abnormal. Most people have some. Being slightly overweight does not, necessarily, make a person "fat" and you took her whole positive post about how she has a goal and she's okay with being a bit in the "overweight" category for BMI because she feels she'll still look awesome and reduced it to "why do you want to stay fat?"
It was rude. You know that. Since someone having a goal other than one totally in line with yours apparently gives you free reign to be curt and demean people, and I felt that meant I had the right to ask you why you were being a jerk.-2 -
I don't know about anyone else, but this thread is making me itchy with the arguing back and forth. If you've made it this far, please enjoy this scene from The Princess Bride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sPVEBAtwmg 0
i'm planing to rock the hell a lot 185 lbs of deliciousness overweight
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