Vegan hate
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If you ever want to ask I am always open to dialogue about it. And since I became a vegan at a time when there wasn't as many of us I have answered all the questions at some point.Therealobi1 wrote: »i havent met a real life vegan before but if i do i would ask a few questions and then let them be. dont see why any rudeness needs to be involved
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And to consider veganism as showing discipline, one must have an inherent belief that veganism is the better way or an accomplishment in and of itself.
The inherent value is in the discipline and dedication required for the lifestyle, not the lifestyle itself. This can cause feelings of inadequacy in people who compare themselves to others. It takes a lot to make sacrifices in the process of acting on your beliefs- I'm sure many users here have been met with confrontational or aggressive behavior when they've made commitments to such concepts as a healthier lifestyle.0 -
It only matters if you are pushing your diet on them
this^ is what I was thinking. Perhaps they have experienced being judged by vegans for their own food choices? I personally don't care what people eat and I don't understand why someone would want to try to shame me for what I eat. That being said, when I find out someone is vegan..I still don't care either way. I sure don't get mad even though I have experienced what you have from someone who is vegan. Everyone deals with things differently though.0 -
My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.0 -
salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »I raise adorable little goats to eat. They ARE tasty. As well as the chickens. And deer. And Turkey...
Meet Dinner. :-)
wow what an original post ive never seen a carnivore respond this way to veganisim in all my years you must be some kind of revolutionary fighting the good fight against all evil vegans not murdering animals to satisfy their stomachs!! wow much bravery
The above? That's why people hate vegans.
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[quote=Personally, I don't care if you're a vegan, vegetarian, or if you live on a diet of dirt. Do what you want to do. If people want to know more about your lifestyle, they'll ask. If they get butthurt after you tell them your SOLICITED reasons, then they're the jerks. However, if you're one of the ones who goes on a rant when no-one asks, you're the jerk.
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^^exactly. Nicely put.0 -
paperfrost wrote: »And to consider veganism as showing discipline, one must have an inherent belief that veganism is the better way or an accomplishment in and of itself.
The inherent value is in the discipline and dedication required for the lifestyle, not the lifestyle itself. This can cause feelings of inadequacy in people who compare themselves to others. It takes a lot to make sacrifices in the process of acting on your beliefs- I'm sure many users here have been met with confrontational or aggressive behavior when they've made commitments to such concepts as a healthier lifestyle.
Hmmmm. I just don't agree. Sorry. I don't, nor will I ever, feel guilty for not being a vegan. I don't see it as any kind of discipline that's any harder than the discipline I already practice in my life. It's presumptuous to think that people would think that way. Perhaps you do, but please don't lump us all together.0 -
I think that somewhere in people's brains, when they find out that someone is eating or doing something different than them, something whispers "they're doing it different so they obviously think their way is better than yours, therefore you are wrong" triggering a defensive response even though the first person never even said or did anything but be different.
I will say that years ago "More Vegan than You" was actually a thing - there were a group of vegans who felt and acted superior to others because their belief was that they were more enlightened than everyone because they ate no animal products, used no leather, etc. They did judge others. It has been a long time since I have come across someone like that, though.0 -
Docbanana2002 wrote: »
I was with you until this comment. It's not your responsibility, nor will it ever be your responsibility, to make sure animal eaters "understand the pain involved." It's THAT mentality that turns people off.
I understand how that must sound, but at the same time... if someone eats animals and their products, they ARE causing pain and suffering to creatures I care dearly about. It's hard for me personally to navigate these kinds of situations socially. On the one hand, I don't want to preach at people and be rude. On the other hand, I don't know how to not speak up when I think an injustice is taking place and that others are ignorant or uncaring about it. I usually don't bring it up on the assumption that people can do their own research, but when people are saying patently ignorant things around me (like someone announcing to the dinner table that the commercial dairy industry is healthy for cows because they love that they get milked each day), I don't know how to handle that tactfully.
In my entire life, I've never had a dinner table conversation about the commercial dairy industry... I wonder how the topic came up?0 -
bennettinfinity wrote: »Docbanana2002 wrote: »
I was with you until this comment. It's not your responsibility, nor will it ever be your responsibility, to make sure animal eaters "understand the pain involved." It's THAT mentality that turns people off.
I understand how that must sound, but at the same time... if someone eats animals and their products, they ARE causing pain and suffering to creatures I care dearly about. It's hard for me personally to navigate these kinds of situations socially. On the one hand, I don't want to preach at people and be rude. On the other hand, I don't know how to not speak up when I think an injustice is taking place and that others are ignorant or uncaring about it. I usually don't bring it up on the assumption that people can do their own research, but when people are saying patently ignorant things around me (like someone announcing to the dinner table that the commercial dairy industry is healthy for cows because they love that they get milked each day), I don't know how to handle that tactfully.
In my entire life, I've never had a dinner table conversation about the commercial dairy industry... I wonder how the topic came up?
Ha, me either.0 -
So basically I do not like to start conflicts, but I think that it's important that those who are eating animal products know where they've come from and understand the pain involved. If they are still aware of this and choose to eat them, although I don't agree, I won't criticise them on it. I am not sure how relevant my bit was
You pretty much just epitomized in that last paragraph why many people don't like vegans. As it's been stated, not everyone needs you educating them. Those who want to be educated about the subject will typically seek it out themselves, as I have done. But if you stand there lecturing me while I'm ordering a bacon cheese burger I can assure you it will not end well for you.0 -
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bennettinfinity wrote: »Docbanana2002 wrote: »
I was with you until this comment. It's not your responsibility, nor will it ever be your responsibility, to make sure animal eaters "understand the pain involved." It's THAT mentality that turns people off.
I understand how that must sound, but at the same time... if someone eats animals and their products, they ARE causing pain and suffering to creatures I care dearly about. It's hard for me personally to navigate these kinds of situations socially. On the one hand, I don't want to preach at people and be rude. On the other hand, I don't know how to not speak up when I think an injustice is taking place and that others are ignorant or uncaring about it. I usually don't bring it up on the assumption that people can do their own research, but when people are saying patently ignorant things around me (like someone announcing to the dinner table that the commercial dairy industry is healthy for cows because they love that they get milked each day), I don't know how to handle that tactfully.
In my entire life, I've never had a dinner table conversation about the commercial dairy industry... I wonder how the topic came up?
Ha, me either.
I've asked an uncle who produces corn, soybeans, and cotton about round-up ready (GMO) crops and pesticide use at a dinner table before.0 -
paperfrost wrote: »And to consider veganism as showing discipline, one must have an inherent belief that veganism is the better way or an accomplishment in and of itself.
The inherent value is in the discipline and dedication required for the lifestyle, not the lifestyle itself. This can cause feelings of inadequacy in people who compare themselves to others. It takes a lot to make sacrifices in the process of acting on your beliefs- I'm sure many users here have been met with confrontational or aggressive behavior when they've made commitments to such concepts as a healthier lifestyle.
How is leading a vegan lifestyle any form of discipline or dedication? Most people who choose this route do so because it is what they want to do. They don't eat meat or animal products for a variety of reasons, but in the end, it is something that they want to do.
One has to be disciplined to NOT do something they want to do, like not eating that chocolate bar; or disciplined to do something that they do not want to do, like getting up every morning at the crack of dawn to work out. Dedication is continuing to do things that you don't want to do, or continuing to not do things that you want to do.
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PrizePopple wrote: »
So basically I do not like to start conflicts, but I think that it's important that those who are eating animal products know where they've come from and understand the pain involved. If they are still aware of this and choose to eat them, although I don't agree, I won't criticise them on it. I am not sure how relevant my bit was
You pretty much just epitomized in that last paragraph why many people don't like vegans. As it's been stated, not everyone needs you educating them. Those who want to be educated about the subject will typically seek it out themselves, as I have done. But if you stand there lecturing me while I'm ordering a bacon cheese burger I can assure you it will not end well for you.
So it's basically like she's a jehovah's witness minus the door to door. Can't say I agree, I don't like people educating me about their religion either, I don't want your friggin pamphlet and I get enough knocks on my door from people trying to sell me crap. If someone asks then share, otherwise it's just unwelcome and breeds hostility against all vegans, preachy ones or not, and the or not ones don't deserve others hostility because of someone else.
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Docbanana2002 wrote: »
I was with you until this comment. It's not your responsibility, nor will it ever be your responsibility, to make sure animal eaters "understand the pain involved." It's THAT mentality that turns people off.
I understand how that must sound, but at the same time... if someone eats animals and their products, they ARE causing pain and suffering to creatures I care dearly about. It's hard for me personally to navigate these kinds of situations socially. On the one hand, I don't want to preach at people and be rude. On the other hand, I don't know how to not speak up when I think an injustice is taking place and that others are ignorant or uncaring about it. I usually don't bring it up on the assumption that people can do their own research, but when people are saying patently ignorant things around me (like someone announcing to the dinner table that the commercial dairy industry is healthy for cows because they love that they get milked each day), I don't know how to keep my mouth shut.
Well, then that's your problem. These are problems we all have every day when we believe in and care about something. People drive me nuts with the political conversation - I chose not to engage. I personally choose to smile, nod and move on with my life, making my difference in the way that I vote.
You can make your difference in the way that you eat. Trying to pursuade people to believe in what you believe in never works and it's annoying.
It's not your responsibility to educate me. And it's condescending to assume that I (or other meat eaters) have not educated themselves.
Yes, I usually do what you do. But, to be fair... most people haven't educated themselves about where their food comes from and what is in it. I don't assume about people specifically (meaning I don't assume that you personally don't know since I don't know you) but about people in general... lots of ignorance about all sorts of things, not just animal related. Like my friend who told me he was obese because he wasn't eating enough and his body was in starvation mode and turning everything to fat, all while eating a snack in front of me that probably had 1000 calories in it. The "I want so bad to educate you, bless your heart" impulse was strong within me. I am an educator for a living (college professor) so it is is a well-ingrained impulse that I am suppressing.
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paperfrost wrote: »And to consider veganism as showing discipline, one must have an inherent belief that veganism is the better way or an accomplishment in and of itself.
The inherent value is in the discipline and dedication required for the lifestyle, not the lifestyle itself. This can cause feelings of inadequacy in people who compare themselves to others. It takes a lot to make sacrifices in the process of acting on your beliefs- I'm sure many users here have been met with confrontational or aggressive behavior when they've made commitments to such concepts as a healthier lifestyle.
How is leading a vegan lifestyle any form of discipline or dedication? Most people who choose this route do so because it is what they want to do. They don't eat meat or animal products for a variety of reasons, but in the end, it is something that they want to do.
One has to be disciplined to NOT do something they want to do, like not eating that chocolate bar; or disciplined to do something that they do not want to do, like getting up every morning at the crack of dawn to work out. Dedication is continuing to do things that you don't want to do, or continuing to not do things that you want to do.
I like you.0 -
_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
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emmydoodles83 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »
So basically I do not like to start conflicts, but I think that it's important that those who are eating animal products know where they've come from and understand the pain involved. If they are still aware of this and choose to eat them, although I don't agree, I won't criticise them on it. I am not sure how relevant my bit was
You pretty much just epitomized in that last paragraph why many people don't like vegans. As it's been stated, not everyone needs you educating them. Those who want to be educated about the subject will typically seek it out themselves, as I have done. But if you stand there lecturing me while I'm ordering a bacon cheese burger I can assure you it will not end well for you.
So it's basically like she's a jehovah's witness minus the door to door. Can't say I agree, I don't like people educating me about their religion either, I don't want your friggin pamphlet and I get enough knocks on my door from people trying to sell me crap. If someone asks then share, otherwise it's just unwelcome and breeds hostility against all vegans, preachy ones or not, and the or not ones don't deserve others hostility because of someone else.
I'd ask you to marry me, but I get turned off by women with mustaches.0 -
jennifer_417 wrote: »salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »I raise adorable little goats to eat. They ARE tasty. As well as the chickens. And deer. And Turkey...
Meet Dinner. :-)
wow what an original post ive never seen a carnivore respond this way to veganisim in all my years you must be some kind of revolutionary fighting the good fight against all evil vegans not murdering animals to satisfy their stomachs!! wow much bravery
The above? That's why people hate vegans.
Good. If not responding in a positive way to a disgusting post makes people hate me Im glad
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Docbanana2002 wrote: »Docbanana2002 wrote: »
I was with you until this comment. It's not your responsibility, nor will it ever be your responsibility, to make sure animal eaters "understand the pain involved." It's THAT mentality that turns people off.
I understand how that must sound, but at the same time... if someone eats animals and their products, they ARE causing pain and suffering to creatures I care dearly about. It's hard for me personally to navigate these kinds of situations socially. On the one hand, I don't want to preach at people and be rude. On the other hand, I don't know how to not speak up when I think an injustice is taking place and that others are ignorant or uncaring about it. I usually don't bring it up on the assumption that people can do their own research, but when people are saying patently ignorant things around me (like someone announcing to the dinner table that the commercial dairy industry is healthy for cows because they love that they get milked each day), I don't know how to keep my mouth shut.
Well, then that's your problem. These are problems we all have every day when we believe in and care about something. People drive me nuts with the political conversation - I chose not to engage. I personally choose to smile, nod and move on with my life, making my difference in the way that I vote.
You can make your difference in the way that you eat. Trying to pursuade people to believe in what you believe in never works and it's annoying.
It's not your responsibility to educate me. And it's condescending to assume that I (or other meat eaters) have not educated themselves.
Yes, I usually do what you do. But, to be fair... most people haven't educated themselves about where their food comes from and what is in it. I don't assume about people specifically (meaning I don't assume that you personally don't know since I don't know you) but about people in general... lots of ignorance about all sorts of things, not just animal related. Like my friend who told me he was morbidly obese because he wasn't eating enough and his body was in starvation mode and turning everything to fat, all while eating a snack in front of me that probably had 1000 calories in it. The "I want so bad to educate you, bless your heart" impulse was strong within me. I am an educator for a living (college professor) so it is is a well-ingrained impulse that I am suppressing.
Well, I know a lot about fitness, but I don't go up to obese people at McD's and start talking about how they should lift weights.
I know a lot about eating disorders, but I don't go up to skinny girls on the street and ask them if they are eating enough.
If you have an impulse to educate people to the point where you are being condescending and annoying to people who did not ask you to educate them, and you act on that impulse, then you cannot complain when people come back at you.0 -
salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
Maude was always so judgmental.0 -
paperfrost wrote: »And to consider veganism as showing discipline, one must have an inherent belief that veganism is the better way or an accomplishment in and of itself.
The inherent value is in the discipline and dedication required for the lifestyle, not the lifestyle itself. This can cause feelings of inadequacy in people who compare themselves to others. It takes a lot to make sacrifices in the process of acting on your beliefs- I'm sure many users here have been met with confrontational or aggressive behavior when they've made commitments to such concepts as a healthier lifestyle.
How is leading a vegan lifestyle any form of discipline or dedication? Most people who choose this route do so because it is what they want to do. They don't eat meat or animal products for a variety of reasons, but in the end, it is something that they want to do.
One has to be disciplined to NOT do something they want to do, like not eating that chocolate bar; or disciplined to do something that they do not want to do, like getting up every morning at the crack of dawn to work out. Dedication is continuing to do things that you don't want to do, or continuing to not do things that you want to do.
I like you.
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salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
Maude was always so judgmental.
Hey hey hey there mister, that is Dorothy Zbornak!!!!!!
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bennettinfinity wrote: »Docbanana2002 wrote: »
I was with you until this comment. It's not your responsibility, nor will it ever be your responsibility, to make sure animal eaters "understand the pain involved." It's THAT mentality that turns people off.
I understand how that must sound, but at the same time... if someone eats animals and their products, they ARE causing pain and suffering to creatures I care dearly about. It's hard for me personally to navigate these kinds of situations socially. On the one hand, I don't want to preach at people and be rude. On the other hand, I don't know how to not speak up when I think an injustice is taking place and that others are ignorant or uncaring about it. I usually don't bring it up on the assumption that people can do their own research, but when people are saying patently ignorant things around me (like someone announcing to the dinner table that the commercial dairy industry is healthy for cows because they love that they get milked each day), I don't know how to handle that tactfully.
In my entire life, I've never had a dinner table conversation about the commercial dairy industry... I wonder how the topic came up?
It came up because I invited friends to dinner party at my house where I served vegan food (at the time I was vegetarian, transition to vegan). I was asked by someone if there was dairy in the food (she was lactose intolerant and wanted to know for her own purposes) and I said no, at which point someone launched into a soap box about the silliness of these people who cut out dairy when no harm is done and cows actually love it.
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How is leading a vegan lifestyle any form of discipline or dedication? Most people who choose this route do so because it is what they want to do. They don't eat meat or animal products for a variety of reasons, but in the end, it is something that they want to do.
One has to be disciplined to NOT do something they want to do, like not eating that chocolate bar; or disciplined to do something that they do not want to do, like getting up every morning at the crack of dawn to work out. Dedication is continuing to do things that you don't want to do, or continuing to not do things that you want to do.
If you don't think that cutting out the overwhelming majority of popular and common foods from your diet is a sacrifice, I'm afraid we won't be able to get much further in a discussion.0 -
emmydoodles83 wrote: »salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
Maude was always so judgmental.
Hey hey hey there mister, that is Dorothy Zbornak!!!!!!
I'm old.
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emmydoodles83 wrote: »salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
Maude was always so judgmental.
Hey hey hey there mister, that is Dorothy Zbornak!!!!!!
I'm old.
My hubs will be 45 in June, you are just now getting to the sophisticated sexy man stage
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salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
If you don't believe that, I'll guess you've never been on a family farm before....just typ'n.0 -
paperfrost wrote: »How is leading a vegan lifestyle any form of discipline or dedication? Most people who choose this route do so because it is what they want to do. They don't eat meat or animal products for a variety of reasons, but in the end, it is something that they want to do.
One has to be disciplined to NOT do something they want to do, like not eating that chocolate bar; or disciplined to do something that they do not want to do, like getting up every morning at the crack of dawn to work out. Dedication is continuing to do things that you don't want to do, or continuing to not do things that you want to do.
If you don't think that cutting out the overwhelming majority of popular and common foods from your diet is a sacrifice, I'm afraid we won't be able to get much further in a discussion.
I cut out McDonalds, not because it is bad for me, but because I don't like it. It's popular and common...does that make me disciplined? Dedicated?
I cut out Mr. Dew Code Red, not because I don't like it, I love the stuff, but because it's bad for me. I haven't had one in over two years.
See the difference?0
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