Vegan hate
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emmydoodles83 wrote: »emmydoodles83 wrote: »salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
Maude was always so judgmental.
Hey hey hey there mister, that is Dorothy Zbornak!!!!!!
I'm old.
My hubs will be 45 in June, you are just now getting to the sophisticated sexy man stage
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I cut out McDonalds, not because it is bad for me, but because I don't like it. It's popular and common...does that make me disciplined? Dedicated?
I cut out Mr. Dew Code Red, not because I don't like it, I love the stuff, but because it's bad for me. I haven't had one in over two years.
See the difference?
Your analogy is assuming that vegans cut out animal products from their diets over a matter of taste.0 -
paperfrost wrote: »And to consider veganism as showing discipline, one must have an inherent belief that veganism is the better way or an accomplishment in and of itself.
The inherent value is in the discipline and dedication required for the lifestyle, not the lifestyle itself. This can cause feelings of inadequacy in people who compare themselves to others. It takes a lot to make sacrifices in the process of acting on your beliefs- I'm sure many users here have been met with confrontational or aggressive behavior when they've made commitments to such concepts as a healthier lifestyle.
How is leading a vegan lifestyle any form of discipline or dedication? Most people who choose this route do so because it is what they want to do. They don't eat meat or animal products for a variety of reasons, but in the end, it is something that they want to do.
One has to be disciplined to NOT do something they want to do, like not eating that chocolate bar; or disciplined to do something that they do not want to do, like getting up every morning at the crack of dawn to work out. Dedication is continuing to do things that you don't want to do, or continuing to not do things that you want to do.
I've reached a point where I feel this way about meat, eggs, and cow's milk (they gross me out), but it took a long time. Still not there with cheese--it is discipline. I've spent my whole life liking and enjoying meat and I gave it up as an ethical choice, not because I stopped liking the taste. I didn't instantly stop craving it. I think there is a difference between wanting to do something because you believe it is right and actually finding the strength to do it despite your temptations to do otherwise. At first it was exactly like not eating the chocolate bar when I"m over on my calories or forcing myself to take an unwelcome morning run. I do all of the above because there is also a part of me that loves and values my running and enjoys the way I eat now, but it certainly took discipline to implement.0 -
paperfrost wrote: »I cut out McDonalds, not because it is bad for me, but because I don't like it. It's popular and common...does that make me disciplined? Dedicated?
I cut out Mr. Dew Code Red, not because I don't like it, I love the stuff, but because it's bad for me. I haven't had one in over two years.
See the difference?
Your argument is assuming that vegans cut out animal products from their diets over a matter of taste.
No, I'm assuming that they cut it out because of a variety of reasons; mostly because they don't like what the animals are put through. They do it because the thought of eating meat disgusts them, regardless of what their taste buds may have told them. So, in fact, they're giving something up that repulses them. That's not discipline; that's not doing something that you hate.0 -
salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
If you don't believe that, I'll guess you've never been on a family farm before....just typ'n.
And people talk about being educated...
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Fair enough, I wasn't implying that it my 'responsibility' but just that if you're choosing to be part of something, you should be educated
That's the point. It's not up to you to determine what people should, and should not, be educated about. Or to assume that meat eaters haven't educated themselves. It's that condescending attitude that turns people off...
I'm just here to point out that you tried to educate a lady on how to use the quote function here.......... I agree that she's terrible at using it, but do you even irony, bro?0 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Fair enough, I wasn't implying that it my 'responsibility' but just that if you're choosing to be part of something, you should be educated
That's the point. It's not up to you to determine what people should, and should not, be educated about. Or to assume that meat eaters haven't educated themselves. It's that condescending attitude that turns people off...
I'm just here to point out that you tried to educate a lady on how to use the quote function here.......... I agree that she's terrible at using it, but do you even irony, bro?
Well, she is in a forum posting and I assume she wants people to read her posts so I was trying to help. But, fair enough.
I still don't see that as the level of annoying of a vegan lecturing a meat eater about the evils of meat eating.
Also, I'm not a bro....0 -
_Captivated_ wrote: »salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
If you don't believe that, I'll guess you've never been on a family farm before....just typ'n.
And people talk about being educated...
actually one of my moms best friends has a family farm and she knows exactly what i think of it
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salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
If you don't believe that, I'll guess you've never been on a family farm before....just typ'n.
And people talk about being educated...
actually one of my moms best friends has a family farm and she knows exactly what i think of it
So, than you don't like people taking care of their animals?0 -
No, I'm assuming that they cut it out because of a variety of reasons; mostly because they don't like what the animals are put through. They do it because the thought of eating meat disgusts them, regardless of what their taste buds may have told them. So, in fact, they're giving something up that repulses them. That's not discipline; that's not doing something that you hate.
Your analogy argued that a food that you did not want (McDonalds), if removed from your diet, could not be considered dedication/discipline.
I personally am repulsed by the treatment of animals in factory farms, but I choose not to think of it as I'm enjoying my yogurt. I have the utmost respect for people who act on their beliefs and choose not to endorse practices they disagree with.
Ultimately I have to move along with my day, so I'll be heading off. Take care!0 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Fair enough, I wasn't implying that it my 'responsibility' but just that if you're choosing to be part of something, you should be educated
That's the point. It's not up to you to determine what people should, and should not, be educated about. Or to assume that meat eaters haven't educated themselves. It's that condescending attitude that turns people off...
I'm just here to point out that you tried to educate a lady on how to use the quote function here.......... I agree that she's terrible at using it, but do you even irony, bro?
Well, she is in a forum posting and I assume she wants people to read her posts so I was trying to help. But, fair enough.
I still don't see that as the level of annoying of a vegan lecturing a meat eater about the evils of meat eating.
Also, I'm not a bro....
True story0 -
paperfrost wrote: »No, I'm assuming that they cut it out because of a variety of reasons; mostly because they don't like what the animals are put through. They do it because the thought of eating meat disgusts them, regardless of what their taste buds may have told them. So, in fact, they're giving something up that repulses them. That's not discipline; that's not doing something that you hate.
Your analogy argued that a food that you did not want (McDonalds), if removed from your diet, could not be considered dedication/discipline.
I personally am repulsed by the treatment of animals in factory farms, but I choose not to think of it as I'm enjoying my yogurt. I have the utmost respect for people who act on their beliefs and choose not to endorse practices they disagree with.
Ultimately I have to move along with my day, so I'll be heading off. Take care!
Having respect for people's decisions =/= being envious over said decisions or the discipline it takes to see them through.0 -
salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »salembambi wrote: »_Captivated_ wrote: »My animals live very, very happy lives, they are very well cared for and I do not cause them any pain or suffering, ever. They are loved in life... and in death.
P.S. I lived the vegetarian lifestyle for 5 years.
lol
If you don't believe that, I'll guess you've never been on a family farm before....just typ'n.
And people talk about being educated...
actually one of my moms best friends has a family farm and she knows exactly what i think of it
So, than you don't like people taking care of their animals?
at some point, would even a natural pest deterrent for plants to be eaten be frowned upon for being insensitive to animals. Even the "pest" label seems judgmental.
Black widows, rattlesnakes, boll weevils, and army worms gotta eat too...0 -
paperfrost wrote: »No, I'm assuming that they cut it out because of a variety of reasons; mostly because they don't like what the animals are put through. They do it because the thought of eating meat disgusts them, regardless of what their taste buds may have told them. So, in fact, they're giving something up that repulses them. That's not discipline; that's not doing something that you hate.
Your analogy argued that a food that you did not want (McDonalds), if removed from your diet, could not be considered dedication/discipline.
I personally am repulsed by the treatment of animals in factory farms, but I choose not to think of it as I'm enjoying my yogurt. I have the utmost respect for people who act on their beliefs and choose not to endorse practices they disagree with.
Ultimately I have to move along with my day, so I'll be heading off. Take care!
Having respect for people's decisions =/= being envious over said decisions or the discipline it takes to see them through.
No, that just means they were trying to speak for everyone when it's actually only themselves who is actually envious.0 -
paperfrost wrote: »No, I'm assuming that they cut it out because of a variety of reasons; mostly because they don't like what the animals are put through. They do it because the thought of eating meat disgusts them, regardless of what their taste buds may have told them. So, in fact, they're giving something up that repulses them. That's not discipline; that's not doing something that you hate.
Your analogy argued that a food that you did not want (McDonalds), if removed from your diet, could not be considered dedication/discipline.
I personally am repulsed by the treatment of animals in factory farms, but I choose not to think of it as I'm enjoying my yogurt. I have the utmost respect for people who act on their beliefs and choose not to endorse practices they disagree with.
Ultimately I have to move along with my day, so I'll be heading off. Take care!
Having respect for people's decisions =/= being envious over said decisions or the discipline it takes to see them through.
No, that just means they were trying to speak for everyone when it's actually only themselves who is actually envious.
Precisely.
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I think the vegan hate follows the "10% of the people cause 90% of the problem" analogy. Meaning, the majority of people (like vegans or meat eaters for example), live their lives with their own choices, not really caring or trying to find some need to be a jerk/impart wisdom on unsuspecting people/make comments.
A small percentage of people have caused the bad reputation. Whether it's vegans telling me I'm causing pain to animals when I eat a steak... or carnivores throwing the always popular argument, "animals were put on this earth to be muh dinner. 'Muica".
Unless they ask, no one really cares why someone else's diet is touted to be so much more superior to theirs. It's like politics and religion... keep it to your own damn self, and everyone will be happy as pigs in a sty.
Personally, I am a grown *kitten* woman. And if I want to have a plate of bacon, I'm hoping to order that without a side of guilt. Just like if someone else wants to get their vegan on, they should be able to throw back Seitan meatballs without getting ridiculed.
Damn.
Also relevant... this car parks on my street, in front of my apartment. THIS is horseshit and if you do this, you're an a'hole. I don't care what you eat.
My apologies for being a grumpus. I'm a bit hangry at the moment.0 -
SconnieCat wrote: »I think the vegan hate follows the "10% of the people cause 90% of the problem" analogy. Meaning, the majority of people (like vegans or meat eaters for example), live their lives with their own choices, not really caring or trying to find some need to be a jerk/impart wisdom on unsuspecting people/make comments.
A small percentage of people have caused the bad reputation. Whether it's vegans telling me I'm causing pain to animals when I eat a steak... or carnivores throwing the always popular argument, "animals were put on this earth to be muh dinner. 'Muica".
Unless they ask, no one really cares why someone else's diet is touted to be so much more superior to theirs. It's like politics and religion... keep it to your own damn self, and everyone will be happy as pigs in a sty.
Personally, I am a grown *kitten* woman. And if I want to have a plate of bacon, I'm hoping to order that without a side of guilt. Just like if someone else wants to get their vegan on, they should be able to throw back Seitan meatballs without getting ridiculed.
Damn.
Also relevant... this car parks on my street, in front of my apartment. THIS is horseshit and if you do this, you're an a'hole. I don't care what you eat.
My apologies for being a grumpus. I'm a bit hangry at the moment.
OMG I die.
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as I previously stated...you cannot with 100% surety say this, you don't know a damn thing about something like that unless they tell you and if they don't then how would you know, you wouldn't.
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Fair enough, I wasn't implying that it my 'responsibility' but just that if you're choosing to be part of something, you should be educated
That's the point. It's not up to you to determine what people should, and should not, be educated about. Or to assume that meat eaters haven't educated themselves. It's that condescending attitude that turns people off...
I'm just here to point out that you tried to educate a lady on how to use the quote function here.......... I agree that she's terrible at using it, but do you even irony, bro?
Lol
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Docbanana2002 wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Fair enough, I wasn't implying that it my 'responsibility' but just that if you're choosing to be part of something, you should be educated
That's the point. It's not up to you to determine what people should, and should not, be educated about. Or to assume that meat eaters haven't educated themselves. It's that condescending attitude that turns people off...
I'm just here to point out that you tried to educate a lady on how to use the quote function here.......... I agree that she's terrible at using it, but do you even irony, bro?
Lol
Please don't quote me. I have a mutual with non-bro and it's causing strife. Thanks in advance0 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Docbanana2002 wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Fair enough, I wasn't implying that it my 'responsibility' but just that if you're choosing to be part of something, you should be educated
That's the point. It's not up to you to determine what people should, and should not, be educated about. Or to assume that meat eaters haven't educated themselves. It's that condescending attitude that turns people off...
I'm just here to point out that you tried to educate a lady on how to use the quote function here.......... I agree that she's terrible at using it, but do you even irony, bro?
Lol
Please don't quote me. I have a mutual with non-bro and it's causing strife. Thanks in advance
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I've always wondered why vegetarians and vegans have no problem eating plants? Are they not alive? Do they not spawn?0
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But, for realz, no strife.0 -
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